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| 01:35.32 | CosmicPenguin | where is prpplague? |
| 01:40.46 | fishhead | I kidnapped him |
| 01:40.49 | fishhead | he's chained to my wall |
| 01:41.02 | fishhead | till he helps me get armlinux booted on my webpal |
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| 01:44.41 | chouimat | poor him |
| 01:45.22 | fishhead | CANUCK |
| 01:45.24 | fishhead | :P |
| 01:45.30 | fishhead | hey |
| 01:45.40 | fishhead | when you use a serial port |
| 01:45.45 | CosmicPenguin | I'm willing to venture a guess that you haven't even plugged in your webpal yet |
| 01:46.00 | fishhead | can it actually sense the MAX232 end part |
| 01:46.12 | fishhead | or as far as it is concerned it's speaking ttl |
| 01:46.16 | fishhead | from the sw/hw view |
| 01:47.18 | fishhead | because I am thinking of a direct TTL tape into a motherboard |
| 01:47.23 | fishhead | tap |
| 01:58.46 | fishhead | easier for me to butchor a motherboard |
| 01:58.56 | fishhead | and remove the MAX232 chip and run wires to the webpal |
| 01:59.03 | fishhead | TTL to TTL |
| 01:59.11 | fishhead | I just need to know if software can sense the max232 chip |
| 02:19.15 | MonMotha | if you hook the serial port of the webpal directly up to your PC's serial port, you will likely fry the webpal |
| 02:19.38 | MonMotha | TTL level drivers were not made to handle the (up to) 70V swing of an RS-232 line |
| 02:19.38 | fishhead | no |
| 02:19.43 | MonMotha | not to mention everything would be inverted |
| 02:19.49 | fishhead | I would bypass the rs232 on both sides |
| 02:19.56 | fishhead | I am not that stupid |
| 02:20.07 | MonMotha | how? most PCs these days have the RS-232 level shifter built into the superio chip |
| 02:20.26 | MonMotha | either way, you'd have to solder stuff to your PC's motherboard |
| 02:20.38 | fishhead | yes and that's not s big deal |
| 02:20.43 | MonMotha | which, seeing as how you're not even willing to solder to your webpal... |
| 02:20.50 | MonMotha | jeezus, just get a MAX232 |
| 02:20.53 | fishhead | I am wiling to solder the webpal |
| 02:20.55 | MonMotha | you can get them for free, shipped to your door |
| 02:20.58 | fishhead | LISTEN DUDE |
| 02:21.01 | fishhead | LISTEN DAMMIT |
| 02:21.14 | fishhead | OKAY I HAVE TO RUN WIRES OUT OF THE WEBPAL TO A MAX232 CHIP ANYWAYS |
| 02:21.15 | fishhead | BUT |
| 02:21.33 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.38 | fishhead | AND BE ABLE TO WORK ON THE WEBPAL TOMARROW |
| 02:21.46 | fishhead | RATHER THAN WAIT FOR THE MAX232 CHIP TO ARRIVE |
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| 02:21.57 | MonMotha | thank you kergoth |
| 02:22.00 | kergoth | kill the caps, or you wont be returning. |
| 02:22.05 | fishhead | kergoth this keyboard is junk |
| 02:22.08 | fishhead | I didn't even notice |
| 02:22.10 | fishhead | so calm down |
| 02:22.12 | fishhead | sheesh |
| 02:22.13 | MonMotha | most motherboards do not have max232s |
| 02:22.16 | MonMotha | do you not look at what you type? |
| 02:22.21 | fishhead | no |
| 02:22.27 | fishhead | I type stream of conciousness |
| 02:22.28 | MonMotha | you went on for like 8 lines in all caps |
| 02:22.31 | MonMotha | surely you had to notice |
| 02:22.36 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.43 | MonMotha | then look up more often |
| 02:22.46 | kergoth | heh, look at the screen sometime. |
| 02:22.48 | kergoth | exactly |
| 02:23.03 | fishhead | monmotha I am looking at max232 clone on a old mb right now |
| 02:23.08 | MonMotha | ah, older mobo |
| 02:23.14 | fishhead | but it's too small to unsolder and attach leads to |
| 02:23.21 | fishhead | yeah that's the point dude these are old boards |
| 02:23.23 | MonMotha | ok, take the time to desolder them, which belive me, is a pain int the ass unless you've got the right tools |
| 02:23.25 | fishhead | I don't care if I trash them |
| 02:23.48 | fishhead | okay what about a serial port that uses MS1988 and MS1989 line drivers |
| 02:23.51 | fishhead | they are dipps |
| 02:23.55 | fishhead | what if I bypass those |
| 02:23.58 | fishhead | and tap the ttl lines |
| 02:24.03 | MonMotha | hell, TI can get you a MAX232 clone to your door shipped next day air, for free |
| 02:24.08 | MonMotha | and you get get like 10 of them |
| 02:24.15 | fishhead | hmm |
| 02:24.32 | fishhead | it's sat it won't get here till next week |
| 02:24.34 | MonMotha | it's easier to just get the fricking chip and wire it up than to try and bypass the output drivers on your mobo |
| 02:24.40 | MonMotha | oh boo his |
| 02:25.04 | fishhead | monmotha there's a word for you but it's too offense for everyone else fo rme to say |
| 02:25.05 | MonMotha | probably take you till next week to get one of those chips off without damaging it to the point where you can't use it on a protoboard |
| 02:25.26 | MonMotha | now I realize why you ended up banned from #linuxhelp |
| 02:25.49 | fishhead | may God deal with you in the way you deserve |
| 02:26.06 | fishhead | anyone else ? |
| 02:26.07 | MonMotha | thank you |
| 02:26.09 | MonMotha | just trying to help |
| 02:27.13 | fishhead | anyone else want to be arrogant and hav e their head up their ass and not listen to what I am saying |
| 02:27.14 | fishhead | no really |
| 02:27.17 | chouimat | hmmm quiet in here |
| 02:27.20 | fishhead | speakign up now so I can perm ignore you |
| 02:27.25 | fishhead | I don't need your shit this badly |
| 02:27.31 | fishhead | i'll toss the webpal first |
| 02:28.24 | fishhead | I have dozens of serial port cards here and I was going to bypass the max232 side and do a direct TTL tap to the webpal |
| 02:28.49 | fishhead | I don't need your shit and dumbass comments like mon spewed from his asshole |
| 02:28.56 | fishhead | so speak now so I can perm filter your ass |
| 02:29.11 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 02:29.29 | fishhead | monmother btw I hope you get a tumer for xmas |
| 02:31.22 | CosmicPenguin | fishhead: if you had ordered the MAX chips when you got the webpal, you wouldn't be in this situation |
| 02:31.48 | fishhead | yeah well I haven't even had time to think about the webpal |
| 02:31.53 | fishhead | I am snowed in this weekend |
| 02:32.00 | fishhead | WHICH IS WHY I ASKED ABOUT DOING THIS THIS WAY |
| 02:32.02 | fishhead | but no |
| 02:32.12 | fishhead | someone idiot thinks he knows everything about me |
| 02:32.19 | fishhead | has to start rattling out of his asshole |
| 02:32.23 | CosmicPenguin | Hey pal, you're asking for our help |
| 02:32.33 | fishhead | yeah well I don't need a smart ass answer |
| 02:32.35 | CosmicPenguin | We think you should get the MAX chip and go that route |
| 02:32.39 | CosmicPenguin | if you don't like our answers, then don't ask |
| 02:32.40 | fishhead | that's fine |
| 02:32.50 | CosmicPenguin | And please don't tell me that 6 inches of snow is "snowed in" because it ain't |
| 02:32.50 | fishhead | that part I don't have a problem with |
| 02:32.58 | fishhead | it was the other shit I don't appreciate |
| 02:33.17 | chouimat | hmmmm becoming gay or supporting fishhead ... which is the less painful ... |
| 02:33.37 | fishhead | cosmic it's all slush right now and 1 yr ago from today I totalled my car into a telephone pole |
| 02:33.41 | fishhead | so I am not driving in this shit |
| 02:33.54 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: it is if you're in florida :) |
| 02:34.30 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just sick of hearing about the east coast and how they're always "surviving" stuff |
| 02:34.41 | CosmicPenguin | Like 3 hour power outages, and a foot of snow |
| 02:34.55 | MonMotha | they get them all the time :) |
| 02:35.07 | fishhead | na dude I was lucky to walk away |
| 02:35.28 | fishhead | come to think of it, shouldn't my airbag have fired |
| 02:35.29 | fishhead | hmm |
| 02:35.47 | fishhead | I hit a ice patch and went off the road |
| 02:35.49 | fishhead | nothing I could have done |
| 02:36.01 | fishhead | I don't mind getting stuck or driving slow |
| 02:36.12 | fishhead | but hitting a ice patch is enought to keep me at home |
| 02:38.48 | fishhead | cosmic yeah dude I will drive thru 2 feet snow |
| 02:38.49 | fishhead | I don't care |
| 02:38.54 | fishhead | it's ice I won't go into |
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| 04:05.10 | TomW | sux |
| 04:05.22 | TomW | :( |
| 04:05.45 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:06.00 | TomW | I've been toying with the idea of putting together a PVR with some tuner cards + MythTV etc. |
| 04:06.33 | kergoth | sure, thought about that myself |
| 04:06.49 | TomW | The online tv guide that my cable company has is really lame, I am not sure how I can programmatically pull the listings off their lame site and process the contents. |
| 04:07.24 | TomW | I've been thinking of tossing my VCR + 24 inch TV in favor of a PVR + LCD Monitor.. |
| 04:07.49 | TomW | it's so tiring not finding anything on when I want to watch tv, you know? |
| 04:08.27 | TomW | As Ron Popeel says "just set it and forget it.." ;) |
| 04:08.29 | kergoth | ahh gotcha. |
| 04:08.36 | kergoth | indeed |
| 04:09.12 | TomW | stick a 160G drive in the thing and let it record shows then I can watch them when the mood strikes me. |
| 04:09.35 | TomW | The tivo approach looks too restrictive somehow. |
| 04:09.59 | kergoth | agreed. i keep thinking about getting one, but i dont like the whole subscription mess |
| 04:10.18 | TomW | maybe a hauppauge PVR250 for recording and a PVR350 for the playback. |
| 04:11.44 | TomW | not sure if I need to go that pricey though, wonder if a Athlon 2400 system with two hauppauge WinTV Go cards will be just as good. As far as I can figure out, the WinTV Go cards don't have hardware MPEG encoders. |
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| 04:13.45 | TomW | I have an older AimsLab Video Highway Xtreme that a friend gave me, it is recognized for bbtv use. I'd like to get a spare box to mess with so I don't screw up my workstation by adding a shovelfull of software to do the PVR / TV viewing stuff. |
| 04:14.42 | TomW | decisions, decisions, decisions. |
| 04:14.46 | TomW | heh |
| 04:22.34 | TomW | tvguide.com sux even worse than the site my local cable channel uses for listings!!! |
| 04:23.55 | TomW | I guess that I will have to fire up the Kylix and start writing an HTML client to see if I can control the asp page of the tv listings then. |
| 04:25.02 | sorphin | kergoth: uhh |
| 04:25.12 | sorphin | you CAN generate your own guide data ya know |
| 04:25.29 | sorphin | i used to |
| 04:25.40 | sorphin | back when i gave a damn (after tivo raised their monthly rate) |
| 04:27.23 | sorphin | TomW: and there's already guide generating stuff, plus there's other things.. there's zap2it (tribune) which tivo uses, or titantv.com |
| 04:27.47 | TomW | sorphin: that is what I was saying that sux, zap2it |
| 04:28.34 | sorphin | TomW: you said tvguide.com |
| 04:28.42 | sorphin | cable generally uses tvguide |
| 04:28.48 | sorphin | charter does anwyays |
| 04:28.51 | sorphin | anyways even |
| 04:29.03 | sorphin | zap2it is.. ok.. (better than tvguide) |
| 04:29.30 | sorphin | i just got bored w/ making the guide data, whoever i was leaching from would switch something |
| 04:29.33 | sorphin | and b0rk things |
| 04:29.42 | sorphin | charter just changed the channels around again |
| 04:29.47 | sorphin | i need satellite :P |
| 04:30.23 | TomW | TitanTv.com looks interesting. |
| 04:30.26 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:30.31 | sorphin | found them by chance |
| 04:30.40 | sorphin | they support all sorts of pvr cards, etc |
| 04:30.48 | kergoth | i have directv.. how does tivo work with it? |
| 04:30.52 | sorphin | and programs (i.e. windvr) |
| 04:30.52 | sorphin | etc |
| 04:31.26 | sorphin | kergoth: pulls stuff over the sat |
| 04:32.02 | kergoth | how? you put it betweent he sat & the directv box, or what? or do ya need a tivo/directv in one component? |
| 04:32.24 | sorphin | umm |
| 04:32.28 | sorphin | you use a directivo |
| 04:32.37 | sorphin | pvr and sat reciever in 1 |
| 04:32.54 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 04:32.54 | sorphin | or you could use a plain tivo and a sat box |
| 04:32.57 | sorphin | your choice |
| 04:33.19 | sorphin | cept for development |
| 04:33.35 | sorphin | so it has a switch on the back of it for the serial port(s) |
| 04:33.39 | sorphin | and the prom is socketed |
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| 04:34.14 | xai | will grub work on compact flash? |
| 04:34.28 | xai | or is lilo preferred? |
| 04:37.46 | TomW | sorphin: I think I've a better chance with zap2it to parse off the listings. I was able to mess with the asp page they sent me and I posted it back with a setting for a 24 hour listing, it worked. |
| 04:38.08 | sorphin | TomW: well, if it were for a tivo |
| 04:38.17 | sorphin | there's a group i snuck into on yahoo |
| 04:38.20 | sorphin | called tivocanada |
| 04:38.26 | TomW | naw, tivo seems too restrictive somehow. |
| 04:38.28 | sorphin | that has guide creation things |
| 04:38.39 | sorphin | TomW: heh, it's only 'restrictive' if you sub :P |
| 04:38.43 | sorphin | and even then |
| 04:38.45 | sorphin | not really |
| 04:39.04 | TomW | I was thinking of a couple of PVR cards + MythTV + bbtv (video4linux) type stuff. |
| 04:53.24 | sorphin | anyhow, i gotta crash guys, gotta be back up at 3:30am CST :( |
| 04:53.53 | TomW | sorphin: later |
| 04:53.59 | sorphin | TomW: cya old timer ;) |
| 04:54.32 | sorphin | "back in my day, we didn't have PVRs, we recorded the images frame by frame w/ an old camera" ;) |
| 04:54.39 | kergoth | sorphin: night |
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| 05:39.04 | chouimat | night |
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| 15:01.54 | chouimat | morning |
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| 21:31.29 | fishhead | HOLY MOTHER OF CANUCK |
| 21:31.37 | fishhead | THEY GOT GENERATORS THAT USE STERLING ENGINES |
| 21:31.39 | fishhead | KICKASS! |
| 21:35.15 | chouimat | can someone give fishhead is prozac |
| 21:35.39 | fishhead | never |
| 21:41.39 | jnork | I think he's had so much he's built up a tolerance. |
| 21:44.21 | chouimat | jnork: lol |
| 21:48.15 | fishhead | you can both bite me |
| 21:48.21 | jnork | Not a chance. |
| 21:48.35 | jnork | You're a) too young and b) not female enough. |
| 21:48.39 | jnork | Among other reasons. |
| 22:05.28 | chouimat | fishhead: i think i will become zoophile before becoming gay |
| 22:05.38 | fishhead | huh |
| 22:05.43 | fishhead | no it wasn't that kinda bite |
| 22:05.45 | fishhead | geez |
| 22:05.48 | fishhead | nm |
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| 22:16.52 | andersee | whats the deal with openoffice? |
| 22:16.55 | andersee | http://www.openoffice.org/ |
| 22:16.59 | andersee | wants a password |
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| 22:49.15 | fishhead | sounds like it was hacked |
| 23:07.00 | andersee | heh |
| 23:07.10 | andersee | they just added a " |
| 23:07.10 | andersee | The OpenOffice.org site is still undergoing upgrade. Complete stability will be reached in a few hours." |
| 23:18.30 | CosmicPenguin | http://deseretnews.com/dn/print/1,1442,565036825,00.html |
| 23:18.45 | CosmicPenguin | I don't want to say anything mean about the Deseret News, but the other Utah people will know what I'm thinking |
| 23:20.20 | chouimat | http://www.crossprings.com/ |
| 23:21.32 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I was reading groklaw |
| 23:24.23 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: how many trees is 40 millions pages? |
| 23:28.40 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: I'm not sure |
| 23:28.48 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: convert 40 million pages to trees |
| 23:28.52 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 23:29.13 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: this law suit will probably kill a forest ... |
| 23:58.31 | fishhead | http://www.min-sajt.com/linus_walleij/triad/philez/Layla_98_Putzi.mp3 |