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| 00:11.19 | file | stty.c is evil |
| 00:13.49 | file | stty.c is a major pita |
| 00:13.55 | Russ | you should add a few more #ifdef's to that thing btw |
| 00:14.18 | file | yeah lol |
| 00:14.47 | file | my compiler is saying the stuff isn't defined... but it is |
| 00:15.13 | file | coreutils/stty.c:425: warning: `sane_mode' used but never defined |
| 00:15.16 | file | for example. |
| 00:16.07 | file | mmm |
| 00:17.25 | file | it just won't work |
| 00:18.30 | file | the freebsd port won't have stty for a bit |
| 00:22.19 | CosmicPenguin | package bonobo-1.0.20-1.ximian.7 (which is newer than bonobo-1.0.22-7) is already installed |
| 00:22.21 | CosmicPenguin | WTF? |
| 00:23.01 | file | rrrrrrrrrrrright |
| 00:23.18 | Russ | did you install ximian packages on a debian box? |
| 00:24.39 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I have never, do not, nor will i ever use debian |
| 00:24.42 | file | I should add a configuration option for FreeBSD... so it can disable stty automagically |
| 00:25.07 | Russ | ah, because ximian packages similarly screw up debian boxes |
| 00:25.26 | Russ | the ximian people do the most irresponsible things with their version numbers |
| 00:25.45 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to figure out how RPM can possibly think that 1.0.20 is less then 1.0.22? |
| 00:25.55 | kergoth | .. |
| 00:26.12 | Russ | dunno, I don't think dpkg would do that |
| 00:26.16 | Russ | they probably did something |
| 00:26.27 | Russ | in debian, ximian makes it 1:1.0.20-1 or whatever |
| 00:26.39 | Russ | (the 1: bumps it up above everything) |
| 00:30.37 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: thats the same thing they do in the RPM |
| 00:31.29 | Russ | maybe its not showing you the 1: |
| 00:36.05 | CosmicPenguin | I did a --provides, and sure enough, there's a 1: |
| 00:36.35 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ? |
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| 00:36.40 | Russ | ya, ximian packages bad.... |
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| 00:45.57 | chouimat | hi tim |
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| 04:14.37 | chouimat | night |
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| 04:32.17 | Russ | heh, someone got ebay to add "soul" to the list of items that cannot be sold |
| 04:33.28 | file | how would you know? O.o |
| 04:50.31 | Russ | they posted their story |
| 04:50.40 | Russ | they attempted to sell their soul on ebay |
| 04:50.51 | file | haha |
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| 05:08.40 | CosmicPenguin | Life imitates Simpsons again |
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| 15:25.47 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: you around? |
| 15:30.14 | chouimat | yah ... but I seen nothing on this monitr so I will hhvae to wait a little |
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| 17:09.00 | CosmicPenguin | Last time I was at NAB, I got on to the maililng lists of some wholesale audio/video companies |
| 17:09.05 | CosmicPenguin | So they sent me a christmas catalog |
| 17:09.33 | CosmicPenguin | That was a very naughty thing for them to do, because now I'm jonesin' for a home theater |
| 17:09.42 | chouimat | huh? a metal version of Message in a bottle? |
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| 17:55.10 | mallum_ | anyone run netbsd here ? |
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| 17:57.30 | CosmicPenguin | quit being so verbose! |
| 18:26.39 | jnork | mallum, I do a bit. |
| 18:28.03 | jnork | I am, as we speak, beating my head against the wall trying to install it on an old Thinkpad. |
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| 21:20.18 | sjhill | all hail sjhill conquerer of initrd and devfs and pivot_root |
| 21:20.27 | kergoth | heh, got it going? |
| 21:20.33 | sjhill | yeah |
| 21:20.39 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:20.57 | sjhill | init and chroot are strange beasts |
| 21:21.20 | *** topic/#elinux by kergoth -> Embedded Linux || http://eLinux.org/ || cross compile, uClibc, busybox, tinylogin, handhelds, post-sale linux installs ;-), etc. || eagle light in debian non-free |
| 21:21.33 | kergoth | indeed. handy ones, tho |
| 21:21.42 | sjhill | i also never knew you could mount devfs multiple times |
| 21:21.48 | file | kergoth: busybox soon to have FreeBSD port, put in topic :) |
| 21:22.00 | sjhill | and then unmount whichever ones you want |
| 21:22.09 | sjhill | file: not until you finish |
| 21:22.19 | file | sjhill: it's compiling right now! |
| 21:22.28 | sjhill | file: does it run? |
| 21:22.32 | chouimat | woooohooooo! http://www.msnbc.com/news/1002736.asp?cp1=1 |
| 21:22.43 | file | sjhill: most stuff, but some stuff is totally for Linux |
| 21:22.54 | file | and thus has to be drastically modified/written for FreeBSD |
| 21:26.18 | file | now FreeBSD will have an embedded set of standard utilities! muahahaha |
| 21:26.36 | jnork | NO! SAY IT'S NOT TRUE! |
| 21:26.36 | chouimat | file: patch? |
| 21:27.20 | file | chouimat: soon |
| 21:27.39 | file | I can tar up my current codeset if you want to meddle |
| 21:28.04 | chouimat | file: currently busy but I can give a look later tonight |
| 21:28.09 | file | chouimat: k |
| 21:29.47 | file | I think init is patched enough that it'll work... |
| 21:39.04 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 21:39.04 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: hi |
| 21:46.25 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: libpng problem? |
| 21:53.27 | Russ | he is a masacist |
| 21:53.31 | Russ | he uses gentoo |
| 21:55.10 | chouimat | Russ: I used gentoo for a while |
| 21:55.50 | Russ | ~quote scox |
| 21:56.13 | chouimat | ~quote IBM |
| 21:58.41 | CosmicPenguin | grr... |
| 21:58.44 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: are you around? |
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| 21:58.57 | CosmicPenguin | What timing... :) |
| 21:59.12 | chouimat | hehe |
| 21:59.51 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: whats up? |
| 22:01.29 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: uhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:02.31 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I'm just trying to convince the tests directory of matchbox to build |
| 22:03.11 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thats odd, stuff in there is pretty simple |
| 22:03.47 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: it doesn't like my home grown X build apparently |
| 22:04.07 | mallum | what is the error thou does recieve ? |
| 22:04.36 | CosmicPenguin | I doth recieve an error because Xext.so.6 doth not exist in /usr/X11R6 like Xtst thinkth it does |
| 22:04.59 | CosmicPenguin | And gcc doth not listen to environment variables, and there was great knashing of teath |
| 22:05.01 | CosmicPenguin | teeth even |
| 22:05.57 | mallum | do you have an Xext somewhere though ? |
| 22:06.56 | mallum | you dont actually need that sendkey program in the tests directory unless you were planning to run regression tests |
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| 22:07.20 | CosmicPenguin | I don't want any tests! |
| 22:07.23 | CosmicPenguin | I trust you... :) |
| 22:08.30 | file | everybody push this compile along |
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| 22:20.30 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: is there any way to get it to skip the tests cleanly? |
| 22:26.53 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: not easily, I can add a --disable-tests option to cvs if you'd like |
| 22:27.13 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I just figured out how to fix X11 |
| 22:27.26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: but that might be a good idea for the future |
| 22:28.01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah Im actually planning on breaking matchbox up into lots of seperate packages in the future and rewriting all the autogubbins |
| 22:28.04 | marklwrk | is there a tcpdump g00r00 in the house |
| 22:28.17 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: That would be sweet... :) |
| 22:29.47 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I'm finishing up some code that (I hope) will help make the whole X / Nano-X thing pretty generic as far as pixil is concerned |
| 22:29.58 | mallum | rock and rooooolllll |
| 22:30.01 | CosmicPenguin | Its a display manager that understands how to boot both X and Nano-X. |
| 22:30.17 | CosmicPenguin | So we just change out the config file and the session, and thats all that needs to be done |
| 22:30.51 | CosmicPenguin | I'm still testing it out, but when its all said and done, it should work great |
| 22:31.41 | Russ | marklwrk: use ethereal instead |
| 22:31.58 | file | I hate tcpdump with a passion, ethereal is nice though |
| 22:32.11 | marklwrk | never used it, i'll give it a try |
| 22:32.23 | hel0 | FAGS |
| 22:32.58 | Russ | ...right |
| 22:33.07 | file | I think the who applet will work now... it might |
| 22:33.17 | CosmicPenguin | file: why the BSD kick? |
| 22:33.26 | marklwrk | hmm, ethereal wants to connect to an X server, is there a text version? |
| 22:33.43 | file | CosmicPenguin: chouimat asked if it could be done :) I'm proving it. |
| 22:33.46 | Russ | ya, but it probably won't be as handy |
| 22:33.54 | jnork | Because BSD rocks. |
| 22:34.00 | jnork | What other reason does he need? :) |
| 22:34.03 | file | plus it's never been done... and he wants it for a client's project or somethin' |
| 22:34.04 | Russ | marklwrk: you can make a tcpdump to a file (binary format) and then open it with ethereal |
| 22:34.14 | marklwrk | tethereal then |
| 22:36.00 | file | and like jnork says, BSD does indeed rock |
| 22:36.45 | Russ | marklwrk: what are you trying to look at? |
| 22:36.50 | marklwrk | Russ: well my problem isn't with the tools, it is with the switch. my machine doesn't see the packets going between the two target systems |
| 22:37.02 | Russ | oh, you need dsniff |
| 22:37.11 | marklwrk | Russ: a telephone system api, w/ two machines on a switch |
| 22:37.13 | marklwrk | dsniff eh |
| 22:37.33 | Russ | (arpspoof to be exact) |
| 22:37.44 | file | Russ: you keep changing utility names every second |
| 22:37.45 | file | lol |
| 22:38.10 | Russ | well, if you want to listen to traffic on a switch, you have to do an arp posion attack and then forward the traffic |
| 22:38.32 | marklwrk | Russ: ah, perfect |
| 22:38.53 | Russ | I would still capture the data with tcpdump, and then open the binary on a machine with ethereal |
| 22:38.58 | marklwrk | will this interfere with the application? |
| 22:39.06 | Russ | ? |
| 22:39.07 | marklwrk | or will i just get a copy of all the traffic too |
| 22:39.26 | Russ | basically, you arp poision the machines to send traffic to you instead of eachother |
| 22:39.31 | file | I can't wait till tomorrow when busybox will actually compile semi-fast |
| 22:39.40 | Russ | then, you have to forward that traffic so that they still get it |
| 22:41.38 | marklwrk | tcpdump -xX is all i need, but I'll play w/ ethereal a bit too |
| 22:42.04 | Russ | its a lot better way to look at traffic |
| 22:42.23 | Russ | and if your application has a paticular protocol, you can pretty easily program ethereal to decode it for you |
| 22:56.09 | CosmicPenguin | Because libtool is pissin' me off over here |
| 22:56.18 | file | cool, the who applet is almost patched enough to work 100% |
| 22:56.50 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I don't know what to say - the X libraries are linked correctly now, but still no job |
| 22:56.55 | CosmicPenguin | s/job/joy/ |
| 22:57.09 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: did you rerun configure ? |
| 22:57.19 | CosmicPenguin | blew the directory array |
| 22:57.22 | CosmicPenguin | away |
| 22:57.47 | CosmicPenguin | One more thing, I'm going to take the absolute path out of the libraries all together, and see if that helps |
| 22:58.53 | chouimat | file: can you mail me the current patch? |
| 22:59.24 | file | chouimat: eh er uh ... give me a sec :) |
| 22:59.35 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: libtool is the worse crap never invented |
| 22:59.55 | kergoth | no, its the worst crap implemented |
| 22:59.59 | kergoth | i'm glad it was invented |
| 23:00.06 | kergoth | they just did a shitty job of building it |
| 23:00.18 | marklwrk | Russ: ah, this protocol is all xml. cool |
| 23:01.00 | file | chouimat: it's most easy if I just tar up my codeset... |
| 23:01.04 | kergoth | Russ: i'd really like to see a seperate, pluginable, library for both packet assembly and injection (ala libnet) and decoding |
| 23:01.13 | chouimat | kergoth: ok ... |
| 23:01.31 | file | how do I tar/gzip a directory? |
| 23:01.46 | kergoth | first, you read the man page |
| 23:01.46 | chouimat | file tar zcvf file.tgz dir |
| 23:01.52 | marklwrk | cool from a reverse-engineering standpoint anyway |
| 23:01.52 | kergoth | then, you abuse yourself with a sharp object |
| 23:02.00 | file | well I've never had the need to |
| 23:02.04 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 23:02.13 | CosmicPenguin | file - you've never gziped a directory before? |
| 23:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | How is that possible? |
| 23:02.20 | file | CosmicPenguin: never had to! |
| 23:02.23 | marklwrk | pkzip -pr |
| 23:02.30 | CosmicPenguin | Thats like saying I drive all the time, but I've never had to make a left turn |
| 23:02.30 | marklwrk | ok kill me now |
| 23:02.33 | Russ | hehe |
| 23:02.38 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: bad mark. |
| 23:02.41 | kergoth | marklwrk: is that v204g? |
| 23:02.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:02.47 | chouimat | lol |
| 23:02.50 | marklwrk | i think so |
| 23:02.59 | Russ | its ok, I remember the days of passing around quake alpha on a pkzip'd set of 15 or so floppies |
| 23:03.01 | marklwrk | poor PK |
| 23:03.05 | marklwrk | he died a horrible death |
| 23:03.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:03.38 | kergoth | you know what was annoying, was having to dig out the last disk for the metadata before you could actually start extracting |
| 23:03.41 | chouimat | Russ: or installing OS/2 2.11 on a set of 45 floppies |
| 23:03.45 | marklwrk | kergoth: yeah definitely |
| 23:03.59 | marklwrk | and if you were downloading a file and lost the last few bytes, the whole file was toast |
| 23:04.03 | chouimat | Russ: or slackware 1.2 out of floppies |
| 23:04.13 | file | http://file-radio.com/busybox-freebsd.tgz |
| 23:04.17 | kergoth | heh, slackware floppy installs.. ah the memories |
| 23:04.39 | Russ | I mean warez |
| 23:05.05 | Russ | course, the real warez action got going when we linked up at lan parties via thinnet |
| 23:05.16 | file | what's thinnet? |
| 23:05.22 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:05.26 | Russ | sorry, cheapernet |
| 23:05.42 | Russ | oh, way, how old are you again file? |
| 23:05.43 | chouimat | Russ: or better removing the terminator on the school arcnet ... |
| 23:05.46 | kergoth | i remember being banned from a few warez bbs's for consolodating time via a time bank between a few friends accounts for an overnighter |
| 23:05.50 | kergoth | bastards |
| 23:06.14 | Russ | http://www.netzmafia.de/skripten/netze/mat3.gif |
| 23:06.30 | file | ahhhhhhhhhhhh that |
| 23:06.35 | Russ | file: you know the little picture MS uses for networking? |
| 23:06.44 | file | my middle school used that |
| 23:07.00 | Russ | originally, it was a lot thicker, and the cable was much more expensive |
| 23:07.06 | marklwrk | Russ: my first hard core warez experience was dragging a PS/2 model 80 around w/ a Fastwire cable |
| 23:07.11 | marklwrk | parallel file exchanger |
| 23:07.13 | chouimat | Russ: removing the terminator and the watching the admin was fun ... |
| 23:07.34 | Russ | chouimat: that sucked at lan parties |
| 23:07.42 | kergoth | ugh no kidding. |
| 23:07.45 | Russ | everytime a new person showed up or left, the network would stop |
| 23:07.59 | Russ | also, whatever ipx file xfer utility we had only had like 4 sockets |
| 23:08.05 | Russ | and it would leave them open |
| 23:08.13 | chouimat | Russ: yup ... my father co used lantastic so I remember that |
| 23:08.14 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I give up - how do you add the rpath so libtool can see it? |
| 23:08.20 | Russ | so anytime you wanted to transfer files, you'd have to yell at everyone to run closes |
| 23:08.34 | kergoth | Russ: hah, that had to get old fast |
| 23:08.55 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: um, add a -rpath to the linker flags? libtool should pick it up off the link line in the link pass |
| 23:08.59 | kergoth | iirc |
| 23:09.07 | marklwrk | lantastic, heh |
| 23:09.17 | file | what is this lantastic? |
| 23:09.30 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I've been trying, but its been ignoring me |
| 23:09.40 | marklwrk | file: it was an old netbios-based file server program |
| 23:09.53 | file | NetBIOS? dear god |
| 23:09.57 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: odd. it wont bother adding paths that it knows are already there as system paths (see the libtool config vars at the top of the libtool script) |
| 23:09.57 | marklwrk | kinda like windows for workgroups I guess, it was peer-to-peer |
| 23:10.07 | marklwrk | file: i believe it was netbios, which was quite the annoying protocol |
| 23:10.15 | marklwrk | and still is |
| 23:10.22 | marklwrk | well the netbeui part is still, anyway |
| 23:10.30 | CosmicPenguin | wierd |
| 23:10.35 | chouimat | marklwrk: actually it was a kind of netbios over ipx |
| 23:10.36 | marklwrk | or whatever the hell MS uses |
| 23:10.53 | file | NetBIOS over TCP/IP they use now |
| 23:10.54 | marklwrk | ah that's right, i remember having to use the LSL |
| 23:11.01 | marklwrk | w/ lantastic |
| 23:11.03 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: have you ever seen this before? I pass in: make LDFLAGS="-Wl,-rpath-link,/user/clients/quintron/buildroot/build/share/lib" |
| 23:11.04 | marklwrk | vaguely |
| 23:11.10 | CosmicPenguin | And the gcc line looks like this: |
| 23:11.12 | marklwrk | i only supported one lantastic user |
| 23:11.21 | CosmicPenguin | -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/user/clients/quintron/buildroot/build/share/lib |
| 23:11.30 | marklwrk | and one person who used one of the first versions of novell too |
| 23:11.41 | CosmicPenguin | Its like it did some sort of funky macro expansion, or something |
| 23:11.44 | marklwrk | netware was kinda fun back then |
| 23:11.52 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yeah i've seen that, i dont recall the solution though |
| 23:11.55 | chouimat | file: http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?Artisoft,+Inc. |
| 23:12.19 | file | interwesting |
| 23:12.22 | CosmicPenguin | It won't help, but it feels good |
| 23:12.55 | chouimat | marklwrk: for a small 10 computers network lantastic was the best solution ... |
| 23:13.25 | file | I miss the novell netware setup at school... :\ |
| 23:13.48 | file | Russ: eh er uh no |
| 23:14.07 | Russ | 1.666? |
| 23:14.15 | file | who knows, not I |
| 23:14.35 | file | Doom was nice though |
| 23:14.54 | kergoth | anyone other than me ever read the sci fi / fantasy novel based on doom? |
| 23:14.59 | kergoth | wasnt bad |
| 23:15.16 | Russ | nope, just you |
| 23:15.26 | mallum | kergoth: sorry, nobody is that sad |
| 23:15.26 | chouimat | kergoth: yup just you |
| 23:15.26 | Russ | file: 4 player lan doom ruled |
| 23:15.39 | marklwrk | Russ: hell yeah it did |
| 23:15.41 | file | Russ: hehe |
| 23:15.53 | marklwrk | doom 2 took more time from my life than any other video game |
| 23:16.11 | file | the game I played the most has been tetris |
| 23:16.11 | chouimat | wow! Artisoft is still alive ... |
| 23:16.13 | kergoth | ~fishslap mallum |
| 23:16.16 | | ACTION slaps mallum up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:16.19 | mallum | kergoth: ;-) |
| 23:16.19 | marklwrk | one time i went from friday night through sunday night with only a couple of bathroom breaks |
| 23:16.30 | Russ | chouimat: they seem to have moved to the uk |
| 23:17.05 | kergoth | marklwrk: heh, i miss those nonstop gaming sessions |
| 23:17.14 | kergoth | nowadays i never find the time |
| 23:17.26 | Russ | I get lan's together every now and then |
| 23:17.34 | Russ | lots of bf1942 and codename: eagle |
| 23:18.27 | marklwrk | i'll play some capture the flag w/ Q3A, that is still fun |
| 23:18.47 | mallum | all the kids nowadays get togeather for big lan parties |
| 23:18.50 | CosmicPenguin | At my old old work, we played way too much Half Life |
| 23:18.53 | mallum | wish I was still a kid |
| 23:19.14 | jnork | Wait a second... which channel (and server) is this again? |
| 23:19.29 | mallum | kergoth: one of my fiends is ex UK doom champion |
| 23:19.34 | kergoth | #gaming-and-nostalgia, no doubt |
| 23:19.35 | CosmicPenguin | jnork: this is the old fogies channel - if you don't remember Commander Keen, then get out! :) |
| 23:19.36 | chouimat | jnork: #elinux-remember-the-old-days |
| 23:19.37 | kergoth | mallum: cool |
| 23:19.41 | jnork | heh |
| 23:19.55 | mallum | kergoth: he famously got knocked out early on the world championships and cried like a baby |
| 23:20.08 | jnork | I play online games, but that's on a different server -- or two... you've just precipitated a cognitive dissonance. |
| 23:20.24 | jnork | Katana's web page: http://katana.oldepharts.net |
| 23:20.26 | kergoth | heh, online just isnt the same |
| 23:20.34 | mallum | kergoth: http://homepages.enterprise.net/cavan/ysac/macca.shtml |
| 23:20.40 | jnork | Yeah, it's more fun |
| 23:20.48 | jnork | and Q3A sucks against just the bots |
| 23:20.57 | mallum | XIII is pretty cool |
| 23:20.59 | jnork | Or, you mean as vs. a LAN... |
| 23:21.19 | marklwrk | jnork: i always get my ass kicked by humans though |
| 23:21.22 | jnork | Eh. Not that much different. Higher pings. |
| 23:21.31 | jnork | marklwrk, yeah, me too. |
| 23:21.34 | kergoth | i meant vs lan parties. just not the same when you cant swear and curse and flip off your friends in person |
| 23:21.36 | marklwrk | my dsl has shittay latency |
| 23:21.43 | marklwrk | always > 100ms |
| 23:21.51 | jnork | *nod* |
| 23:22.10 | Russ | marklwrk: maybe you need to set up tos on your router |
| 23:22.20 | Russ | er, actually, bit buckets |
| 23:22.27 | jnork | So play TF or WF and be an engineer... let the sentry gun do all the work for you. :) |
| 23:22.28 | marklwrk | CosmicPenguin: commander keen 0wned me for awhile too. i bought & solved all 6 of them |
| 23:22.38 | Russ | its helpfull for latency to keep your modem's buffers empty |
| 23:22.56 | marklwrk | Russ: hmm i should look into that |
| 23:23.03 | marklwrk | it's the classic cisco 678 |
| 23:23.12 | jnork | I never did Commander Keen, I went the Wolf-Doom-Doom2-Quake-Quake2-Quake3 route and branched out to HL and UT later |
| 23:23.36 | marklwrk | something happened to me because between keen & doom I never even heard of wolfenstein |
| 23:23.41 | kergoth | heh, i remember my dad and friends getting motion sickness the first time they played wolf3d, bad |
| 23:23.49 | jnork | heh |
| 23:23.53 | marklwrk | and i downloaded doom 1 and thought it was kind of dumb |
| 23:24.28 | kergoth | doom 1 and 2, imho, had the best ambiance of any fps to date. i doubt doom 3 will live up to it, but ya never know |
| 23:24.58 | marklwrk | i just hope my geforce2 mx 400 can hang w/ doom 3 |
| 23:25.20 | jnork | Bah, I have no hope until I can upgrade... I'm still running a Voodoo3 |
| 23:25.45 | marklwrk | jnork: heh probably not |
| 23:25.53 | marklwrk | classic card though |
| 23:25.57 | marklwrk | beginning of the end for those guys |
| 23:26.00 | jnork | yeah |
| 23:26.06 | chouimat | this is just stupid I mean spending about 800$ for a new card just to play a stupid game .... |
| 23:26.08 | jnork | It does OK though with tweaks |
| 23:26.11 | jnork | Katana's WFA tweaks page: http://katana.oldepharts.net/Quake_3/tweaks.html |
| 23:26.17 | Russ | I have my pure3d in the closet somewhere |
| 23:26.24 | jnork | but it's still pretty wussy... gonna have to upgrade sometime soon |
| 23:26.26 | marklwrk | chouimat: you might be exaggerating just a big there |
| 23:26.29 | marklwrk | bit |
| 23:26.44 | chouimat | marklwrk: the price are in cad |
| 23:26.49 | Russ | why does the tweaks page for q3 have the direct3d settings window open? |
| 23:26.49 | file | I just have an ATI Rage 128... but I'm not a gamer |
| 23:26.50 | jnork | chouimat, I can upgrade for under $50 |
| 23:27.01 | jnork | not to the latest, but to something a lot better than I have now |
| 23:27.05 | marklwrk | $100 us tops for a reasonable card |
| 23:27.23 | marklwrk | a $500 card would probably only be 20% faster, wouldn't it? |
| 23:27.31 | marklwrk | diminishing returns and all that |
| 23:27.32 | jnork | ATI Rage 128 is... hmm, I don't think so. UT / HL / Q2 at most. |
| 23:27.46 | file | jnork: well I got it for free |
| 23:27.47 | jnork | IIRC it doesn't have openGL |
| 23:27.50 | jnork | *nod* |
| 23:27.50 | chouimat | marklwrk: probably but the radeon 8500 was 650 to 700 cad when out |
| 23:28.04 | *** part/#elinux TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 23:28.08 | jnork | Free has a lot going for it. :) |
| 23:28.10 | file | my rage128 has opengl |
| 23:28.15 | file | brb |
| 23:28.21 | jnork | Oh, I thought it didn't |
| 23:28.23 | jnork | my mistake |
| 23:28.39 | jnork | thought it had to be a Rage Pro... maybe I have those two confused |
| 23:28.42 | marklwrk | i personally prefer the intel i8xx series these days. too bad you can't just get it on a card; it's only integrated |
| 23:28.55 | marklwrk | from what i can tell |
| 23:29.03 | marklwrk | gpl'd drivers rock |
| 23:29.15 | Russ | I have a radeon 8500 |
| 23:29.20 | Russ | I use the dri drivers for q3a |
| 23:29.32 | marklwrk | Russ: the ones that come with the kernel? |
| 23:29.50 | chouimat | I have a Rage 128XL and a Radeon 7500 in this box ... |
| 23:30.01 | Russ | well, the snapshots |
| 23:30.17 | chouimat | another box have a tnt2 and 2 voodoo3 |
| 23:32.59 | marklwrk | i still have a voodoo2 collecting dust somewhere |
| 23:33.09 | marklwrk | i tried to hook it up one day for fun but couldn't get it to work |
| 23:33.36 | marklwrk | heh i wonder what a dual voodoo2 setup costs these days |
| 23:33.39 | marklwrk | probably $10 on ebay |
| 23:39.41 | marklwrk | this phone system uses plaintext passwords. i should write a sniffer just for fun. |
| 23:39.56 | marklwrk | too easy |
| 23:40.26 | marklwrk | Russ: fwiw arpspoof made my windows machine very angry. |
| 23:40.33 | marklwrk | i just hooked everything up to a hub |
| 23:40.51 | marklwrk | windows kept popping up a system modal dialog when i would start arpspoof |
| 23:41.03 | marklwrk | probably just user error on my part |
| 23:44.28 | file | back |
| 23:44.51 | file | jnork: the rage128 is AGP 2X with 32MB of SDRAM, full opengl support on windows and dri support on linux |
| 23:46.10 | Russ | marklwrk: ethereal also can print packet hexdumps on your printer, which can be handy |
| 23:47.11 | file | if any OpenBSD/NetBSD users could test my busybox codeset I'd be much appreciative :) |
| 23:54.19 | file | so while I was gone the conversation just died? |
