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| 00:36.14 | file | what does bzflag use... tcp or udp |
| 00:36.48 | file | TCP. |
| 00:52.49 | fishhead | sophin ah you fixed it |
| 00:52.49 | fishhead | dammit |
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| 01:26.21 | sorphin | andersee: good evening mr andersen |
| 01:26.29 | andersee | sorphin: evening |
| 01:32.05 | sjhill | i'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me.... |
| 01:32.05 | sjhill | i'm still at work |
| 01:32.05 | sorphin | ~kill sjhill |
| 01:32.10 | | ACTION slits sjhill's throat |
| 01:32.11 | sorphin | ah well |
| 01:32.11 | sorphin | ~bitchslap sjhill |
| 01:32.16 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill |
| 01:32.16 | sjhill | hmmm, ibot hasn't learned about murder yet |
| 01:32.16 | sorphin | apparently |
| 01:32.24 | sjhill | ibot: botsnack |
| 01:32.24 | | aw, gee, sjhill |
| 01:32.24 | sorphin | ibot hasn't learned shit atm |
| 01:32.27 | | sorphin: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:32.29 | sorphin | ahh |
| 01:32.30 | sorphin | lag |
| 01:32.30 | sjhill | heh |
| 01:32.30 | sjhill | lot of lag |
| 01:32.54 | sorphin | sjhill: mipsing? |
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| 01:33.03 | sjhill | and SuperH'ing |
| 01:33.15 | sorphin | GPSFan: evening |
| 01:34.12 | sorphin | sjhill: welp, on the UPSes, i replaced the buzzer w/ a bright blue LED, nice and noticeable |
| 01:34.22 | sjhill | cool |
| 01:37.28 | GPSFan | sorphin: evening all... |
| 01:38.05 | fishhead | oh yeah |
| 01:38.05 | fishhead | blue leds own :) |
| 02:56.59 | jnork | I've got a propane torch I could use. Melts solder reeeeal good. |
| 02:58.18 | jnork | I feel so soiled. |
| 03:01.04 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 13:10.13 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:28.19 | sorphin | GPSFan: mornin |
| 14:34.34 | GPSFan | sorphin: hola... |
| 14:43.11 | sorphin | GPSFan: sup? |
| 14:48.51 | GPSFan | sorphin: nada, just another day... |
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| 15:02.18 | sorphin | prpplague: morning billy bob abcsinc |
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| 15:17.22 | sorphin | hideyho it's the space penguin |
| 15:17.26 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:19.50 | CosmicPenguin | well, I'm back.... :) |
| 15:20.50 | CosmicPenguin | I bring greetings from the northern expanses of Wyoming |
| 15:21.14 | chouimat | people live there? |
| 15:21.19 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: thats my homeland |
| 15:21.29 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: was joking |
| 15:22.37 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: you know what I said about pixdev coming out before LoTR? I lied |
| 15:23.31 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: np ... spent the last 3 days doing phone support because one of my associate is in hospital ... I just hope the phone will stay quiet today ... |
| 15:25.17 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: I've got to get this client job out before Christmas, and then I can start getting pixdev out the door |
| 15:25.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 15:25.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats up |
| 15:26.03 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok will work double time here ... will just stop answering the phone |
| 15:26.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: educate me, i'm using bb-1.00 and need to link against a specific lib dir, whats the easiest way to do that? |
| 15:26.27 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: thats a different client job - take your time with the survey app... |
| 15:26.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you mean standard lib dir? |
| 15:26.57 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok then ... when you need it? |
| 15:27.10 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: lets say no later then the first of the year? |
| 15:28.07 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 15:28.39 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: will be on vacation next week because we are closed till the 5th of january |
| 15:28.47 | chouimat | sao i will have time |
| 15:31.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have a specific x86 rootfs with libs i need to link against |
| 15:31.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i used to just add my changes to the bb makefile but the new bb build is different |
| 15:31.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i saw you listed on the bb.net page so i figured you'd be up to date on the build methods |
| 15:34.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ah. I haven't played with Erik's buildroot in a few months, so if he has changed it, I'm behind the times |
| 15:37.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: just perused CVS - it doesn't look like many changes have been made |
| 15:41.54 | prpplague | shouldn't i be able to do a make LIBDIR=/my/path/to/rootfs/lib ? |
| 15:50.47 | prpplague | argh, i've never had so many lib issues |
| 15:53.20 | julia | hi folks |
| 15:59.43 | CosmicPenguin | julia: hows things? |
| 16:00.04 | julia | I've been horribly sick |
| 16:00.13 | CosmicPenguin | julia: flu? |
| 16:00.44 | julia | from the flu, to upper respitory, to a sinus infection |
| 16:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | ugh |
| 16:01.12 | julia | it's been almost 3 weeks now |
| 16:01.17 | julia | I've missed a LOT of work |
| 16:01.27 | CosmicPenguin | And if you haven't gotten the flu yet, sitting 3 and 1/2 hours in a theaters with 499 other flu ridden geeks won't help |
| 16:01.55 | julia | the big joke here is "She must really be sick if she hasn't seen the new Lord of the Rings movie yet!" |
| 16:03.25 | CosmicPenguin | quick poll - I want to write a audio mixer applet for busybox - should I base it in the syntax for amixer, or aumix? |
| 16:03.55 | CosmicPenguin | To clarify - should i use the amixer syntax, or the aumix syntax for the command line? |
| 16:04.51 | chouimat | ewww lotr |
| 16:13.42 | prpplague | argh |
| 16:18.49 | prpplague | i can not seem to get bb-1.00 to link properly |
| 16:29.09 | sorphin | chouimat: exactly, i read the books, and from all i've heard the movies aren't even remotely true to the books |
| 16:29.58 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm a big tolkien fan, and i find that, although there is some deviation from the books, that its very close to the books, and very enjoyable to watch |
| 16:32.26 | chouimat | sorphin: finishing the book was a pain for me ... I hated them |
| 16:32.44 | sorphin | chouimat: nod |
| 16:32.53 | sorphin | prpplague: nod |
| 16:33.01 | sorphin | prpplague: i'd rather watch the harry potter movies ;) |
| 16:33.10 | prpplague | chouimat: you hated LotR? |
| 16:33.16 | kergoth | re |
| 16:33.22 | prpplague | kergoth: lo |
| 16:33.25 | prpplague | kergoth: dude |
| 16:33.32 | prpplague | kergoth: bb-1.0 |
| 16:33.44 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 16:33.47 | sorphin | kergoth: mornin chrissy |
| 16:33.54 | prpplague | kergoth: help a poor stupid programming wannabie |
| 16:34.22 | prpplague | kergoth: i can't seem to get the new make file system to compile against my rootfs libdir |
| 16:34.57 | marklwrk | they are good movies though imo. at least try the first one |
| 16:35.17 | marklwrk | you can always stop it early and light the DVD on fire if you dislike it |
| 16:35.19 | kergoth | the lotr movies are good, but in a different way than the books. i say to a certain extent they stand alone |
| 16:35.34 | kergoth | prpplague: hmmmk, whats the problem/error, and how are you doing it? |
| 16:35.53 | marklwrk | i never read the books, so the accuracy issues can't interfere with my enjoyment of the movies |
| 16:36.15 | prpplague | kergoth: tried a bunch of different ways, but i was basically trying to use the -nostdlib and the doing a -L for the lib dir |
| 16:36.21 | chouimat | prpplague: it's not my favorite in this kind |
| 16:36.42 | prpplague | kergoth: but then i get an problem with an unknown symbol _start |
| 16:37.09 | prpplague | kergoth: i know i'm doing something stupid, just can;t figure out what |
| 16:37.11 | chouimat | prpplague: I find moorcock way better than tolkien |
| 16:37.16 | kergoth | prpplague: why do you need -nostdlib? |
| 16:37.51 | prpplague | kergoth: i assumed thats what i need to prevent it from using the libc on my host rather than on the rootfs |
| 16:38.54 | kergoth | well, its still going to use the startfiles from your system and/or cross chain |
| 16:39.06 | kergoth | you cant get rid of *all* remnants of the libc in the toolchain you're buliding with |
| 16:39.27 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 16:40.25 | prpplague | kergoth: funny thing is i've not had these problems with older versions of bb |
| 16:40.51 | kergoth | prpplague: did you add -lc? -nostdlib will kill the implicit link of libc.so |
| 16:42.05 | prpplague | kergoth: yea |
| 16:42.45 | kergoth | and you have a libc.so linker script on your lib dir, that references libc.so.6 and libc_nonshared.a, *without* /lib/ hardcoded refs? |
| 16:42.50 | kergoth | heh. |
| 16:43.36 | prpplague | uh, no linker script |
| 16:44.17 | kergoth | cat /usr/lib/libc.so|sed -e 's,/lib/,,g' > /path/to/your/rootfs/libdir/libc.so |
| 16:44.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:44.49 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks, just digging into something i've not had any experience with before |
| 16:44.53 | kergoth | np |
| 16:45.26 | kergoth | having those scripts with refs to /lib/ will break a crosscompile pretty fast. good to be aware of it |
| 16:45.36 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh gotcha |
| 17:06.59 | prpplague | well fudge |
| 17:07.17 | prpplague | i'm having libc hell today |
| 17:12.03 | Russ | sucks to have your flesh burned off and eaten by maggots at the same time, doesn't it? |
| 17:13.04 | prpplague | kergoth: tried three different combinations of libc and busybox, keep getting "illegal instruction" when i try to execute bb |
| 17:14.00 | prpplague | Russ: sounds like my last office meeting |
| 17:17.43 | prpplague | this is really od |
| 17:17.44 | prpplague | odd |
| 17:17.51 | prpplague | never had these problems before |
| 17:22.51 | Russ | sounds like a floating point issue for prpplague |
| 17:25.28 | CosmicPenguin | he should run gdb to get the address, and objump it to see what the offending instruction is |
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| 17:30.58 | sorphin | TimRiker: mornin mr timmy |
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| 17:43.40 | prpplague | well, i give up, guess i'll have to go back to bb-0.60 |
| 17:47.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you gdb the app and objdump the file to get the offending assembly argument |
| 17:47.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not yet, i'm running out of time |
| 17:48.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably shove a known good rootfs in for now |
| 17:50.57 | prpplague | brb |
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| 18:02.48 | Russ | http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Late_Night_with_Conan_O'Brien/celebritysecrets/stewart.shtml |
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| 18:23.04 | Russ | so I'm trying to wake up my gf |
| 18:23.10 | Russ | and she talks in her sleep sometimes |
| 18:23.20 | Russ | and she keeps wispering something, and I can't make it out |
| 18:23.27 | Russ | so I keep trying, and trying |
| 18:23.35 | Russ | and then I finally get it, "camels go moo" |
| 18:23.43 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:24.03 | Russ | then she says "a camel peed on me" |
| 18:35.50 | sjhill | has anyone ever converted a kernel from elf to binary with an INITRD linked in then tried to boot it? the kernel starts booting, but the kernel complains with 'invalid compressed format' |
| 18:42.13 | sjhill | RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 |
| 18:42.19 | sjhill | invalid compressed format (err=1)<6>Freeing initrd memory: 4328k freed |
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| 18:57.05 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: have you tested the microwin.mk that Greg sent you? |
| 19:06.00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nope |
| 19:06.13 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I entirely forgot about it |
| 19:09.13 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I suppose I should take a look over it |
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| 19:39.34 | chouimat | <Disconnect> other than because it was a licensing argument, and he's unhappy that TT can't make money to save their lives. (not that that makes me real happy either, but according to him we should all be sending our paychecks there for the priviledge of using a zaurus) |
| 19:39.34 | chouimat | [14:30:07] Disconnect sent his paycheck to brando for the priviledge of using a zaurus. |
| 20:07.29 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I don't think it will work |
| 20:07.39 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: The one from buildroot-tux is better, IMHO |
| 20:08.36 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: don't worry about him - he's just trying to use everyone elses code for free, and he's pissed that somebody actually bothers reading the GPL |
| 20:12.47 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ya ... |
| 20:21.04 | marklwrk | CosmicPenguin: you mean the GPV |
| 20:21.45 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: he want to be able to do this: http://www.despair.com/achievement.html |
| 20:25.35 | CosmicPenguin | lol - thats a new one |
| 20:25.35 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't seen that one before |
| 20:27.00 | kergoth | i still like the dreams one :) |
| 20:27.51 | CosmicPenguin | My two favorites are the meeting and consulting ones |
| 20:28.36 | kergoth | hehe, i love the meeting one too |
| 20:28.52 | kergoth | i have the desktoppers for Cluelessness and Insanity though |
| 20:29.07 | kergoth | "There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots." really spoke to me in tech support |
| 20:29.08 | CosmicPenguin | These 2004 ones are priceless.... |
| 20:30.42 | CosmicPenguin | If I had an office, I would put the meetings one in the confrence room |
| 20:30.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:31.32 | kergoth | hah, i love Potential |
| 20:33.05 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.despair.com/discovery.html |
| 20:33.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:33.19 | CosmicPenguin | No offense to any of our offshore friends, of course... :) |
| 20:33.20 | kergoth | true that |
| 20:51.01 | CosmicPenguin | The UI is horrible, but the engine is awesome |
| 20:57.02 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: rat? |
| 20:58.11 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: http://www-mice.cs.ucl.ac.uk/multimedia/software/rat/index.html |
| 20:58.42 | chouimat | cool |
| 21:00.17 | CosmicPenguin | It works really really well |
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| 21:55.46 | prpplague | andersee: ho ho ho merry busybox 1.ho |
| 21:56.18 | prpplague | andersee: i love bb-1.0 but i've had hell will libc linking |
| 21:58.03 | prpplague | file: lo |
| 21:58.16 | file | waddup d00d? |
| 21:58.53 | prpplague | andersee: i've been experiencing some weird problems with libc, even when i statically like bb it behaves oddly |
| 21:58.59 | prpplague | file: ssdd |
| 21:59.24 | andersee | prpplague: it works for me... |
| 21:59.25 | andersee | :-) |
| 21:59.31 | prpplague | andersee: has anyone else reported issue building bb-1.0 under redhat 7.3 or 9.0? |
| 21:59.34 | prpplague | andersee: i'm sure |
| 21:59.41 | andersee | prpplague: nope |
| 21:59.51 | andersee | prpplague: what sorts of issues? |
| 21:59.53 | prpplague | andersee: hmm, probably me doing something badly |
| 22:00.26 | prpplague | andersee: like when i compile bb static and then try to use the telnet, it tries to connect to port 65535 instead of 23 |
| 22:00.26 | andersee | prpplague: tried the latest from CVS? |
| 22:00.39 | andersee | prpplague: hmmm |
| 22:00.41 | prpplague | andersee: naw, ran out of time, had to go back to 0.60.5 |
| 22:00.43 | andersee | prpplague: that isn't expected |
| 22:00.55 | andersee | prpplague: never seen anything like that |
| 22:01.13 | file | very strange |
| 22:02.06 | prpplague | andersee: and when i compile it with shared libs, several applets get "illegal execution" error |
| 22:02.18 | prpplague | andersee: or "illegal instruction" |
| 22:03.10 | prpplague | andersee: my first thought was that it was the libs but we've been using this with bb-0.60 for over a year with no issues |
| 22:04.02 | prpplague | andersee: anyway, gonna set a clean build and test environment monday or tuesday |
| 22:04.34 | prpplague | andersee: probably something silly/stupid i'm doing |
| 22:04.58 | andersee | prpplague: illegal instn is often a symptom of a compiler or optimization problem |
| 22:05.47 | prpplague | andersee: ok, i'll keep that in mind while i'm testing |
| 22:13.37 | prpplague | andersee: btw, i love bb-1.0 :) |
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