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| 05:17.29 | sorphin | anyone alive? |
| 06:38.56 | Russ | ya |
| 06:39.25 | Russ | I'm still waiting on my fob btw |
| 06:40.28 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:40.32 | Russ | hey, the christmas display down the street from my coworker made drudge |
| 06:40.54 | sorphin | Russ: can you plug a cardbus card in a 16bit slot and it still work just in 16bit mode? |
| 06:41.02 | Russ | you can't |
| 06:41.07 | Russ | cardbus *is* pci |
| 06:41.39 | sorphin | then why can you plug 16 bit cards in a slot that supports cardbus? :P |
| 06:41.54 | Russ | because cardbus controllers have dual logic |
| 06:42.12 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:42.24 | sorphin | well, this PCI<->pcmcia adapter |
| 06:42.29 | sorphin | has a cardbus capable controller |
| 06:42.39 | sorphin | just the connector is 'standard' pcmcia |
| 06:42.58 | Russ | does it have a gold looking plate near the pins? |
| 06:43.41 | Russ | http://www.sycard.com/Images/450.jpg |
| 06:44.22 | sorphin | the card or the socket? |
| 06:45.17 | Russ | card |
| 06:45.24 | Russ | I'm a little confused about what you mean |
| 06:45.28 | Russ | are you talking about a chip? |
| 06:46.30 | sorphin | ok, i have an entarasys card (pcmcia to pci adapter) |
| 06:46.38 | sorphin | the chip on it can do cardbus |
| 06:46.43 | sorphin | the connector (socket) on the card |
| 06:46.47 | sorphin | isn't cardbus |
| 06:47.00 | Russ | you mean pci to pcmcia bridge |
| 06:47.16 | Russ | do you know what the chip is called? |
| 06:48.19 | sorphin | yeah, it's a TI PCI141OPGE |
| 06:48.41 | Russ | and cardbus cards aren't fitting? |
| 06:48.49 | Russ | (if you want more info on the chip, google cb1410) |
| 06:49.05 | sorphin | there's an empty row of spots behind the socket where another row of pins would go, but nothing connected to them (on any visible layer) |
| 06:49.14 | Russ | oh |
| 06:49.17 | sorphin | Russ: right, the cardbus card don't fit |
| 06:49.25 | Russ | well, the chip supports dual sockets |
| 06:49.56 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:50.22 | Russ | its probably the voltage then |
| 06:50.34 | Russ | er |
| 06:50.39 | Russ | nm, cardbus only comes in 3.3V |
| 06:50.41 | sorphin | the gold part of the cardbus card won't even fit under the connector top |
| 06:50.44 | Russ | http://www.lindy.com/us/tips/us/PCMCIA_Tip/index.php |
| 06:51.37 | Russ | are you sure the eject mechanism isn't jammed? |
| 06:52.35 | sorphin | i've already read, the socket on the board is 16bit only |
| 06:52.49 | sorphin | didn't know there'd be a physical limitation |
| 06:53.08 | Russ | you could use a cb1410 to supply pccard |
| 06:53.21 | Russ | and if you only used 5V, then you would limit it to pccard |
| 06:53.56 | Russ | maybe the application only needed to support a 5V pccard, so rather than provide two power supplies, they just chose an exclusive socket |
| 06:54.27 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:54.45 | Russ | where did you find the pci card? |
| 06:54.58 | sorphin | stupid proprietary cards... turns out, my chipset (atheros) still isn't supported yet in the madwifi driver... grr |
| 06:55.14 | sorphin | bought em, cuz i needed a couple PCI pcmcia bridges.. only have an isa one otherwise |
| 06:55.28 | Russ | did it come with a wifi 16-bit pccard? |
| 06:56.19 | sorphin | well, it would have.. but i bought just the bridge card |
| 06:56.23 | sorphin | but yeah, normally it did |
| 06:56.27 | Russ | ah |
| 06:56.41 | Russ | we use cardbus bridges in arm systems at work |
| 06:56.48 | Russ | want me to figure out make/model? |
| 06:57.29 | sorphin | ? |
| 06:57.46 | Russ | which part confused you? |
| 06:58.05 | sorphin | <Russ> we use cardbus bridges in arm systems at work |
| 06:58.05 | sorphin | <Russ> want me to figure out make/model? |
| 06:59.21 | Russ | at work, we have xscale systems |
| 06:59.33 | Russ | they each contain a pci card that is a cardbus bridge |
| 06:59.34 | sorphin | righ |
| 06:59.40 | Russ | cardbus cards do work in them |
| 06:59.50 | Russ | do you want me to find out the make/model of those pci cards? |
| 07:00.15 | sorphin | nah, turns out i'll be chucking this card back anyways cuz of the driver issue.. (after taping the UPC back on the box) heh |
| 07:00.32 | Russ | the wifi card? |
| 07:00.55 | sorphin | ya |
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| 08:33.05 | sorphin | cdm: moin |
| 08:34.41 | cdm | hey sorphin - how's work? |
| 08:58.08 | sorphin | cdm: haven't been there yet since Thursday ;) |
| 09:00.27 | cdm | ah. |
| 09:00.50 | sorphin | and thankfully today (monday) is my last day of oncall |
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| 14:18.03 | prpplague | morning all |
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| 15:08.40 | sorphin | prpplague: moin mr hillbilly |
| 15:10.42 | prpplague | sorphin: hey |
| 15:14.39 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/Pixter |
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| 15:16.40 | prpplague | andersee: morning |
| 15:17.34 | prpplague | sorphin: mounting pixter guts on a board today |
| 15:17.40 | prpplague | sorphin: make it easier to do some dev |
| 15:18.10 | prpplague | sorphin: i think i might have fscked the lcd |
| 15:18.30 | prpplague | sorphin: i won't know till i get it back up and running |
| 15:22.58 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
| 15:30.47 | sorphin | prpplague: fun |
| 15:36.01 | prpplague | sorphin: there are still several lines i've got to track down on the external connector |
| 15:36.22 | prpplague | sorphin: doesn't look like they have all of the SPI lines on the slot, so no easy mmc card |
| 15:38.23 | prpplague | andersee: whatcha up to these days? |
| 15:38.33 | sorphin | prpplague: ah well |
| 15:38.36 | prpplague | andersee: doing anything with uclinux? |
| 15:38.46 | sorphin | prpplague: are they 30gauge wireable? |
| 15:38.47 | prpplague | sorphin: but all the address and data lines are there |
| 15:39.02 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, probably |
| 15:39.09 | prpplague | sorphin: i need to trace them from the cpu |
| 15:39.25 | sorphin | prpplague: well, if they're there somewhere, that's all that counts ;) the webpal just outright didn't have them (the other isa lines) |
| 15:39.39 | prpplague | sorphin: yea |
| 15:40.04 | sorphin | prpplague: decided what you're gonna do gig wise? |
| 15:40.26 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm still trying to get a fuzzy/warm feeling about what i can do with the pixter |
| 15:40.31 | prpplague | sorphin: no not yet |
| 15:40.47 | prpplague | sorphin: but i'm leaning towards telling them i want the job, but i can't take it till june |
| 15:40.55 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:41.05 | prpplague | sorphin: i need time to organize things for the move |
| 15:41.35 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm really surprised that mattel didn't bring the spi out to the slot |
| 15:41.52 | sorphin | prpplague: my stupid dlink card is going back today.. while being Atheros based.. it's particular rev/version/whatever isn't in the HAL yet.. and no idea when another HAL will be pushed out to the dev, so right now it's useless in linux |
| 15:41.56 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah |
| 15:41.57 | prpplague | sorphin: btw, i suspect that the juice box has a lh75411 in it as well |
| 15:42.10 | sorphin | prpplague: remind me what that is? |
| 15:42.22 | prpplague | sorphin: another mattel toy |
| 15:42.27 | prpplague | ~ibot juicebox |
| 15:42.35 | prpplague | ~juicebox |
| 15:42.41 | prpplague | ibot: juicebox |
| 15:42.51 | prpplague | ibot: juice box |
| 15:42.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:43.09 | sorphin | ibot: is prpplague insane? ;) |
| 15:43.34 | sorphin | well, either you backed up ibot, killed it, or somethin |
| 15:43.37 | prpplague | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002VO2J2/ref=pd_sim_toys_2/102-9169933-0758560?v=glance&s=toys |
| 15:44.28 | sorphin | 15-18 fps? |
| 15:44.32 | sorphin | man that's draggy |
| 15:44.46 | prpplague | yea, more of a kids toy |
| 15:44.57 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:45.02 | prpplague | sorphin: works great for cartoons and such |
| 15:45.03 | sorphin | till the plague gets a hold of it ;) |
| 15:45.09 | sorphin | once you get it, no toy is safe ;) |
| 15:45.25 | prpplague | sorphin: the processor is bubble top, but has the same number of pins as the lh75411 |
| 15:45.35 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:45.40 | sorphin | then why bubble it? |
| 15:45.45 | prpplague | sorphin: cheaper |
| 15:45.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:46.04 | prpplague | sorphin: COB as they call it is pretty cheap in volume |
| 15:46.11 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:46.20 | prpplague | sorphin: alot cheaper than doing qfp |
| 15:46.25 | sorphin | prpplague: could it be that's the crap that was pulled w/ the message thing? |
| 15:46.47 | sorphin | same chip, just switched to bubble so harder to mess w/ once they made their change? |
| 15:46.54 | prpplague | sorphin: the lh754xx was developed for mattel so i suspect that a COB version would have been made available to mattel |
| 15:47.05 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:47.09 | prpplague | sorphin: the message unit was a firmware issue |
| 15:47.45 | prpplague | sorphin: supposedly ppl were hacking other smartcards like i was doing with it |
| 15:47.59 | prpplague | sorphin: so the EU gov made them make some changes |
| 15:48.03 | sorphin | right, but iirc, in mine the chip that you see as a normal chip, is a bubble for me |
| 15:48.21 | sorphin | ahh.. COB (Chip On Board) |
| 15:48.26 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh |
| 15:48.59 | sorphin | take a die, wire it up, then slap some nasty epoxy on it |
| 15:49.00 | prpplague | sorphin: they are a beoych to remove |
| 15:49.04 | sorphin | lovely |
| 15:49.13 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 15:49.25 | prpplague | sorphin: saves a ton of time and money |
| 15:49.45 | sorphin | for them, maybe ;p |
| 15:49.49 | prpplague | sorphin: so technically you could do COB for any chip as long as the manufacturer will provide the die |
| 15:49.59 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:50.41 | sorphin | prpplague: i may be having to impersonate RCA's Service Dept soon |
| 15:50.52 | prpplague | sorphin: oh? |
| 15:51.57 | sorphin | missy's dad's tv he bought back in march, got some not so fun probs, and the labor warranty was 3 months, and a local repair shop refuses to give the part numbers to anyone but RCA (very anti competitive)... I'm thinking of calling, pretending to be RCA and getting the part numbers, so that the 'customer' may order replacements from 'us' *grin* |
| 15:52.33 | sorphin | prpplague: he was smarter yesterday and grabbed a panasonic (w/ a 1 year as it is), and grabbed the extended warranty from CC |
| 15:52.50 | sorphin | apparrently |
| 15:52.54 | sorphin | this tv (the bad one) |
| 15:52.56 | sorphin | has a known issue |
| 15:53.01 | sorphin | but RCA keeps quiet about it |
| 15:53.11 | sorphin | when they do the boards, they glue 1st, then solder |
| 15:53.18 | sorphin | apparently, they tend to overglue |
| 15:53.21 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, i purchase a cheapy RCA back about a year ago, it lasted about 3 months too |
| 15:53.23 | sorphin | so the solder doesnt' stick |
| 15:53.41 | prpplague | sorphin: color all of sudden went funny |
| 15:53.43 | sorphin | yup |
| 15:53.47 | sorphin | exactly what happened |
| 15:53.55 | sorphin | as well as 'unuseable signal' probs |
| 15:54.45 | sorphin | prpplague: funnyu thing is.. they have some older RCA tvs around the house that have lasted forever |
| 15:54.59 | sorphin | prpplague: guess build QA has gone down since then |
| 15:55.13 | prpplague | sorphin: iirc RCA stopped making tv's years ago, but someone else is using the RCA logo/name |
| 15:55.22 | sorphin | ic |
| 15:55.29 | sorphin | makes sense then |
| 15:55.44 | sorphin | well, i know panasonic still makes their own stuff |
| 15:57.41 | sorphin | and considering the warranty is 1 yr vs 90 days... |
| 15:57.49 | sorphin | speaks a bit better |
| 15:58.45 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/home_electronics/rca.html |
| 15:59.28 | andersee | prpplague: not really |
| 15:59.38 | andersee | prpplague: I try to avoid mmu-less stuff these days |
| 16:00.03 | andersee | prpplague: hardly seems worth the bother, the cost of adding an mmu to a chip is negligable these days... |
| 16:00.03 | prpplague | andersee: yea, i can understand that |
| 16:00.37 | prpplague | andersee: true, only reason i'm even looking at it is because all of mattel's new electronic toys with be arm7tdmi based |
| 16:01.30 | prpplague | andersee: if it was just one toy, probably not worth it, but since they have about 20 items to be released, i figure it would be good to have a uclinux dist for them |
| 16:04.12 | sorphin | prpplague: sounds bout right |
| 16:05.09 | sorphin | prpplague: the invoice listed 4 parts tho.., and interestingly enough said 'estimate declined' where the part # should be |
| 16:06.01 | andersee | prpplague: hmm |
| 16:06.11 | andersee | prpplague: supporting arm7tdmi is pretty easy |
| 16:06.35 | andersee | prpplague: I did a linux port to arm7tdmi using the 2.0.36 kernel, many many moons ago |
| 16:07.37 | andersee | prpplague: these days, you should just be able to pull the kernel from http://cvs.uclinux.org/ |
| 16:07.54 | andersee | prpplague: (which incidentally I put together ;-) |
| 16:08.11 | andersee | prpplague: or even easier, just pull the latest uClinux-dist |
| 16:08.24 | andersee | prpplague: there was a new uClinux-dist released not long ago |
| 16:08.42 | andersee | http://www.ucdot.org/ |
| 16:08.56 | prpplague | andersee: yea, my main problems is making my own schematics, and reverse engineering the onboard rom |
| 16:08.56 | andersee | ahh, here it is |
| 16:09.00 | andersee | http://www.ucdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/22/1335226&mode=thread |
| 16:09.14 | andersee | what sortof arm7tdmi does it have? which vendor? |
| 16:09.25 | prpplague | andersee: sharp LH75411 |
| 16:09.52 | andersee | any idea the amount of flash and ram on the system? |
| 16:10.11 | prpplague | http://www.sharpsma.com/sma/products/mcu_soc/LH75411_splash.htm |
| 16:10.35 | prpplague | andersee: the base system for the pixter has 64k of ram and a 1m rom |
| 16:11.00 | sorphin | prpplague: that's definately 'micro' linux ;) |
| 16:11.03 | prpplague | andersee: but the external slot usually adds via a cartridge 4mb of ram and 8mb flash |
| 16:11.23 | andersee | The first rev of the aforementioned linux 2.0.36 system I put together (a bluetooth access point) had 1MB ram, 1MB flash |
| 16:11.24 | prpplague | sorphin: the onboard is mainly to boot the external cartridge |
| 16:11.52 | andersee | and it was barily usable. Had to go to 2/2 to make everything fit and work... |
| 16:12.21 | prpplague | andersee: yea, plan is to make a cartridge with 8mb ram and 16mb flash |
| 16:12.39 | andersee | k |
| 16:13.10 | andersee | the cartrage is directly accessible, or paged etc access? |
| 16:13.20 | prpplague | andersee: directly accessable |
| 16:13.41 | prpplague | andersee: all the address, data, and chip selects are on the expansion slot |
| 16:14.20 | andersee | thats good |
| 16:14.32 | andersee | then I suppose the system should be usable |
| 16:14.48 | andersee | lacking an mmu, you can rule out glibc on there |
| 16:14.50 | prpplague | andersee: best i can figure, is the rom contains a bootloader, which moves itself into ram, then does some routines |
| 16:15.05 | prpplague | andersee: functionality wish, it looks almost like blob |
| 16:15.23 | prpplague | s/wish/wise |
| 16:16.15 | andersee | the arm7tdmi is capable of doing arm thumb for user space, though it appears the claims of space savings are somewhat overrated, and uClibc doesn't have any arm thumb support (could be added easily enough by the interested student) |
| 16:16.36 | andersee | that would certainly be interesting |
| 16:16.41 | andersee | :-) |
| 16:17.00 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:17.17 | prpplague | andersee: well at $49.00 its a pretty nice little dev platform |
| 16:17.50 | prpplague | andersee: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/Pixter |
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| 17:36.07 | prpplague | freakin irs and ins |
| 17:36.24 | prpplague | sorphin: such a fsckin mess |
| 17:36.35 | sorphin | prpplague: of course, they had to give you a challenge ;) |
| 17:37.10 | prpplague | sorphin: gets this, you donna has to have w-7 taxpayer id for me to file my taxes |
| 17:37.48 | prpplague | sorphin: but i have to file my taxes with her taxpayer id so i can have a tax document proving she needs a taxpayer id |
| 17:39.11 | sorphin | prpplague: naturally ;) |
| 17:39.31 | prpplague | sorphin: and it gets better |
| 17:39.54 | prpplague | sorphin: they need a certified copy of her passport, but no one will make a copy |
| 17:41.23 | prpplague | sorphin: the irs keeps telling me that i need to talk to the department of state to get a copy of her passport, the department of state says its not issued by them so they can't make a copy |
| 17:41.52 | sorphin | prpplague: and round and round it goes |
| 17:41.55 | prpplague | yep |
| 17:42.01 | prpplague | its fsckin nuts |
| 17:42.08 | prpplague | gotta run out to do some paper work |
| 17:42.09 | prpplague | later |
| 17:42.12 | sorphin | cya |
| 17:42.13 | sorphin | good luck |
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| 19:01.19 | sorphin | anyone tried doing wireless on the tux? (say w/ a prism2 card) |
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| 21:04.15 | sorphin | cdm: hola |
| 21:04.40 | cdm | hey sorphin |
| 21:09.02 | sorphin | cdm: what's up? |
| 21:10.59 | cdm | not much. Surfing around for the various best-of lists to see what music I want to buy this week. ;) |
| 21:13.14 | cdm | and you? |
| 21:22.39 | sorphin | fixing some code, other than that, not a whole lot |
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| 22:06.18 | prpplague | T0mW: hey dude |
| 22:06.25 | T0mW | whew! |
| 22:06.34 | T0mW | that startled me! |
| 22:06.41 | T0mW | heh |
| 22:06.56 | T0mW | prpplague: holidays nearly over, thank God! |
| 22:07.07 | T0mW | I've survived another year |
| 22:08.14 | T0mW | just messing around with as (gnu assembler) x86 stuff today. I have some MASM code that needs to be rewritten for as. |
| 22:10.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:10.45 | T0mW | :/ |
| 22:11.15 | T0mW | quite a bit different syntax between the Intel (MASM) and AT&T (AS). |
| 22:21.12 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:21.23 | prpplague | T0mW: been doing some work on the pixter |
| 22:22.36 | T0mW | prpplague: that has really got your interest, eh? I did look to see if I could find one, didn't see any on the shelves, but I wasn't really looking hard. |
| 22:29.16 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/Pixter |
| 22:33.18 | T0mW | prpplague: hmmm, no MMU... |
| 22:33.22 | T0mW | bummer |
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| 22:40.28 | sorphin | T0mW: seen em before... prolly was just out cuz of xmas |
| 22:44.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:44.34 | sorphin | TX state parks offer wi-fi |
| 22:44.46 | T0mW | gak! "AT&T and Intel syntax use the opposite order for source and destination operands" |
| 22:45.36 | T0mW | sorphin: the more bandwidth the better, more demand, more capacity? |
| 22:46.37 | sorphin | i guess |
| 22:47.58 | T0mW | this is screwy! "ADD AL, BYTE PTR [<memory>]" becomes "addb <memory>(,1), %al"?! Almost seems like an unbalanced mind thought this up. |
| 22:48.32 | T0mW | heh |
| 22:49.00 | T0mW | well, I guess MASM has had their Micro$oft way of doing things. |
| 22:49.11 | sorphin | T0mW: that's why i stuck w/ simple x86 asm and nasm :P |
| 22:49.48 | T0mW | yeah. |
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| 22:52.08 | T0mW | fortunately, there is only one file that needs a rewrite. The rest of the 480+ files are treated as pseudo-op code. |
| 22:52.50 | T0mW | probably the smartest thing I ever did, not force them to move into native x86 assembly, but continue coding in the old language. |
| 22:53.12 | T0mW | Now the port to an ARM processor platform should be relatively painless. |
| 22:53.51 | T0mW | just rewrite the code generator / translator definitions and we now emit ARM assembler! |
| 22:53.58 | T0mW | ... |
| 22:54.00 | T0mW | I hope |
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