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| 05:13.03 | T0mW | morning world |
| 05:20.35 | T` | hey tom |
| 05:20.39 | T` | hows it going |
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| 05:43.56 | T0mW | T`: pretty good, I just keep typing away at the computer, day after day, and sometimes usefull stuff comes out of it. ;) |
| 05:44.05 | T` | haha |
| 05:44.15 | T0mW | it seems that way some days |
| 05:44.19 | T` | what u been upto now a days? i assume u are done with jtag |
| 05:44.29 | T0mW | for the moment |
| 05:45.25 | T` | oh |
| 05:45.46 | T0mW | I've got a customized version of Mandrake that I have to finish up. It is purely for my own benefit. I have machines that I maintain / admin for people and these machines don't need the whole distro loaded onto them. |
| 05:46.28 | T` | hmm, lfs may be a good choice :) |
| 05:46.54 | T0mW | so, I got the drak installer, stripped down the rpm lists, added checkfields, one for each machine, and edited rpmsrate to suit. |
| 05:47.41 | T` | i c, you could proabbly do a network install with minimum packs you require |
| 05:47.45 | T0mW | It's working now, but, let me just say that you really don't know perl until you have to tail-end some of these guys that write distro installers! |
| 05:47.58 | T0mW | correct |
| 05:48.15 | T` | hehe.. i never learned perl.. happy with python |
| 05:48.28 | T0mW | I've stripped it down to about 1 cdrom's worth (< 500 Meg) |
| 05:49.24 | T0mW | T`: oh, if you do any text processing of any kind, I really really recommend that you learn perl. It does make mangling text a whole lot easier to do than to write a formal program. |
| 05:49.39 | T` | no, python is pretty good too |
| 05:49.52 | T` | and its syntax is somewhat like C, so i found it kinda easy to switch |
| 05:51.04 | T0mW | only thing I have against python is the indentation business. I have seen too many people using either spaces / tabs, with abandon, in too much source. That tabstop business of python's seems to be a recipe for disaster (e.g. endless hours trying to find a wrong tabstop). |
| 05:51.41 | kergoth | i've never had an indentation problem with python that took more than 2 seconds to fix |
| 05:51.45 | T0mW | I would rather the enforced bracing of C, Pascal, Perl, ... |
| 05:51.46 | kergoth | <python> you fucked up on line XX |
| 05:51.48 | kergoth | <me> oh, thanks |
| 05:52.37 | T0mW | kergoth: some languages some people just aren't suited for. with me it is python, it just does not interest me at all. |
| 05:52.42 | T` | T0mW, hmm, you do have errors from the interpreter :) |
| 05:53.02 | kergoth | T0mW: :) |
| 05:53.06 | kergoth | true enough |
| 05:53.16 | kergoth | but everyone who's used perl hates python at first. |
| 05:53.20 | kergoth | every last person i know has |
| 05:53.27 | kergoth | including me |
| 05:53.30 | T` | yea i think i noticed that pattern |
| 05:53.32 | T` | why is that? |
| 05:53.38 | kergoth | because perl is as flexible as it gets |
| 05:53.44 | T` | and python isnt ? |
| 05:53.56 | kergoth | python's enforced structure is a seemingly arbitrary reduction of flexibility |
| 05:54.03 | kergoth | perl is as flexible as it gets in _every_ way |
| 05:54.09 | T0mW | T`: nope, I have not programmed in it, I've looked it over and found, for the most part, I can accomplish pretty much the same thing in another language. However, if need be, I could work at fixing someone else's code. It is just not on my list of "first solutions". |
| 05:54.10 | kergoth | including what's normally up to the programmer.. layout |
| 05:54.50 | kergoth | personally, i cant stand arbitrary reductions of flexibility, in anything. so thats why i hated python at first. it grew on me though |
| 05:54.50 | T` | hmm i c, i really dont follow you, but thats because i never cared to even learn perl.. straight jump into python |
| 05:54.55 | T0mW | I don't hate it, because I don't know it. I'm just not interested. |
| 05:55.11 | kergoth | i need to learn ruby one of these days |
| 05:55.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:55.33 | T0mW | yeah, shitloads of assemblers. :) |
| 05:55.39 | kergoth | i know shell, perl, python, ARM asm, c, c++, sed, awk, and lua. that's about it |
| 05:56.04 | T0mW | awk I would like to know more about. I just don't seem to "get it". |
| 05:56.28 | kergoth | i dont use it very often. most cases where i'd use awk, you can just as easily use perl |
| 05:56.48 | T0mW | kergoth: well, I have spent the past 4..5 days deep into perl regexp. |
| 05:56.59 | kergoth | the only exception is something so simple that i cant be bothered to do the regex to do the column splitting, like | awk "{print $3}" |
| 05:57.13 | T0mW | s/ /; |
| 05:57.16 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:57.40 | T` | anyone you guys got dmix working on all apps defaultly? |
| 05:57.44 | T0mW | s/(^\s*)|(=)/; |
| 05:58.12 | T0mW | ooh |
| 05:58.17 | T0mW | s/(^\s*)?(=)/; |
| 05:58.36 | T0mW | my mind is boggling from regex |
| 05:58.41 | T` | heh |
| 05:59.05 | T0mW | it is really handy to know some of that regex stuff. It can be really powerfull. |
| 06:03.28 | T0mW | boy, this cdrom cd-rw media seems to be really fragile. You use it a couple of times and it won't erase any longer. |
| 06:04.26 | kergoth | T0mW: yeah, regex is wonderful. find myself using it _all_ the time. perl scripts, sed scripts.. |
| 06:04.50 | kergoth | the annoying thing is remembering the differences in escaping when you switch from perl to sed, or sed to regular expressions in C, or.. |
| 06:05.01 | T0mW | the command stuff I still have a lot of problems with: figuring out what chars need to be '\' escaped! |
| 06:05.04 | kergoth | like in perl + means 1 or more by default, and \+ is a real plus. in sed its the other way around |
| 06:05.06 | T0mW | yeah |
| 06:05.08 | kergoth | yeah |
| 06:05.08 | kergoth | exactly |
| 06:05.46 | T0mW | even with "perl -pe" it drives me nuts. An expression that will work within perl won't work on the command line due to escaping. |
| 06:06.30 | kergoth | oh yeah. god help you if you switch from '' to "" due to needing to use a shell variable |
| 06:06.36 | T0mW | sometimes it is more usefull just to write a quick perl script an execute that rather than spend 10..20 minutes trying to figure out the escapes. |
| 06:07.03 | T0mW | while (<STDIN>) { blah } |
| 06:07.23 | kergoth | i find my oneliners are always an iterative process. there'll be like 60-70 different versions of it by the time the output is what i need it to be |
| 06:07.34 | T0mW | :D |
| 06:07.37 | T0mW | yeha |
| 06:07.47 | kergoth | by which time it may have been faster to just do it manually :) |
| 06:07.58 | T0mW | and a half hour later you runup vi and simply change it. |
| 06:08.04 | kergoth | i need to remember to save some of those scripts. otherwise 2 weeks later i find myself creating it again |
| 06:08.15 | kergoth | and by then its long gone from the shell history |
| 06:08.29 | T0mW | When I get a really good expression working on the command line, I'll echo it into a shell script. |
| 06:09.22 | T0mW | one that always used to puzzle me was to list rpms without the rev numbers, just the root name. I finally figured out the regex to do that, so I stuck that into a shell script. |
| 06:10.49 | T0mW | of course, the freakin scripts are scattered all over my system. I am not disciplined enough to make a simple common dir someplace and copy them into it when I am done. it is usually in the heat-of-the-moment that you figure out how to do it and simply move on. |
| 06:12.04 | kergoth | i tend to collect everything in tiny little shell functions in my bashrc. |
| 06:12.14 | kergoth | and the bashrc's on my various boxes all get synced up via unison |
| 06:12.20 | kergoth | works well enough |
| 06:18.41 | T0mW | :) |
| 06:20.07 | T0mW | yeah, I'm just recalling the time I had CVS on the mythtv box. I put some customer stuff into that cvs. Then there came the day I rebuilt the mythtv box and forgot to save the cvs files before I formatted the driver. |
| 06:20.14 | T0mW | s/driver/drives/ |
| 06:20.23 | kergoth | doh |
| 06:20.42 | T0mW | sometimes I tend to get lost with all the stuff I have scattered around. |
| 06:21.12 | kergoth | yeah, happens to everyone. annoying |
| 06:21.20 | kergoth | syncing tools like rsync and unison are really helpful |
| 06:21.41 | T0mW | hey, It does keep things interesting. "will work for bandwidth" is on my license plate bracket. |
| 06:21.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:21.57 | T0mW | It' |
| 06:22.34 | T0mW | it's true too, I have a lot of bandwidth scattered around and trade admin work so i can continue to have access to it. |
| 06:23.04 | T0mW | none of it is other than linux boxes. |
| 06:23.25 | T0mW | I tell people that I don't know windows. |
| 06:23.30 | T0mW | s/know/do/ |
| 06:23.52 | T0mW | or floors for that matter |
| 06:24.16 | T0mW | oh well, back to the perl script that is gen'ing javascript menus... |
| 06:25.24 | T0mW | hmmm, the Lehigh Valley (about 30 miles away) is getting slot machines. |
| 06:26.01 | T0mW | that will just suck more touristas in from New Jersey. |
| 06:57.10 | T` | is that necessarily bad? |
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| 15:04.20 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:55.28 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 16:55.34 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 16:55.46 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:56.07 | prpplague | kergoth: how goes it old friend? |
| 16:56.41 | chouimat | prpplague: hi |
| 16:56.50 | chouimat | prpplague: I might be in trouble |
| 16:57.29 | prpplague | chouimat: oh? something bad? |
| 16:58.05 | chouimat | prpplague: she's very very hot, redhead, slim, intelligent .... negative side 34, 3 kids, married ... |
| 16:58.33 | prpplague | chouimat: ha, that does sound like trouble |
| 16:58.53 | prpplague | chouimat: mainly the married part |
| 16:59.01 | chouimat | prpplague: she called back this morning ... |
| 16:59.33 | prpplague | kergoth: i have got to get my m-7100 build up on oe, just can't seem to get the mindset to dig into oe again |
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| 17:52.16 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey |
| 17:52.21 | prpplague | TimRiker: whats cookin? |
| 17:52.47 | TimRiker | nada. amazon confirmed shipping my zipit. ;-) |
| 17:53.02 | prpplague | lovely |
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| 17:55.51 | prpplague | kergoth: re crack baby |
| 17:56.17 | prpplague | TimRiker: the linux-arm mailing lists down? |
| 17:56.45 | kergoth | my internet connection is flaky as hell lately |
| 17:57.04 | prpplague | kergoth: sbc ? |
| 17:57.28 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 18:07.44 | prpplague | kergoth: are you with sbc? |
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| 19:47.55 | T0mW | grrrr: grep: Unmatched [ or [^ |
| 19:47.59 | T0mW | drat |
| 19:48.18 | T0mW | freakin' shell regex |
| 20:16.22 | chouimat | hi T0mW |
| 20:16.30 | T0mW | hello |
| 20:21.12 | T0mW | !@#$$$$$$$! |
| 20:22.37 | T0mW | finally! |
| 20:23.31 | T0mW | I wanted to get rid of empty lines from a file, but some of them may contain only whitespace on the line. |
| 20:23.39 | T0mW | this works: perl -pe 's:^([\s])+\n:\n:' Parts.html | grep -v ^$ |
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| 22:07.09 | prpplague | sjhill: yo! crack whore |
| 22:07.24 | sjhill | prpplague: hey redneck, what's up? |
| 22:07.39 | prpplague | sjhill: jeeze you listen to sorphin |
| 22:07.44 | prpplague | sjhill: way too much hehe |
| 22:08.00 | sjhill | how did giving notice go? |
| 22:08.17 | prpplague | sjhill: not done it yet |
| 22:08.24 | sjhill | oh |
| 22:08.27 | prpplague | sjhill: probably wont till the end of feb |
| 22:08.31 | sjhill | well, then i guess it's gone well then :) |
| 22:08.36 | sjhill | ah |
| 22:08.45 | sjhill | so are you for sure moving to Barbados? |
| 22:09.52 | prpplague | sjhill: yea, bought the tickets today |
| 22:10.20 | sjhill | excellent |
| 22:10.49 | prpplague | sjhill: nervous as a long tail'd cat in a room full of rocking chairs |
| 22:11.06 | sjhill | is Barbados a US province/territory? |
| 22:12.04 | prpplague | sjhill: negative, used to be british, now independent |
| 22:12.12 | sjhill | ah |
| 22:12.28 | cdm | Barbados is a nice island. Little pricy now though, but nice. |
| 22:13.00 | cdm | my parents spend about 2 weeks a year there. |
| 22:13.31 | sjhill | cdm: will your parents adopt me? |
| 22:13.46 | prpplague | cdm: pricy for tourists, not so bad for residents |
| 22:14.00 | cdm | prpplague, yeah. Even for tourists it isn't too bad if you avoid the resorts. |
| 22:14.07 | cdm | I was mostly thinking about water frontage. |
| 22:14.10 | prpplague | cdm: donna's father gave us 4 acres of beach front property for our wedding |
| 22:14.22 | cdm | nice!!! |
| 22:14.34 | cdm | prpplague, any existing structure so you can be close to the ocean? |
| 22:14.37 | sjhill | prpplague: ya' know, based upon recent tsunami events, i'm not sure on that one |
| 22:14.40 | prpplague | cdm: (donna and family is from barbados) |
| 22:15.24 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, although there is an underwater volcano about 30 miles from barbados, the way the coral reef runns, barbados has never had a tsnumai style wave |
| 22:15.42 | cdm | just general errosion. |
| 22:16.04 | prpplague | cdm: negative, empty land, but donna's mother has a rental house we are gonna use for awhile till we get enough saved to build a house |
| 22:16.10 | prpplague | cdm: yea |
| 22:17.15 | sjhill | i have got to share this one, it's one of my favorites so far: http://www.bash.org/?433064 |
| 22:17.18 | cdm | prpplague, nice nice. Just too bad about the rules about distance from the water. Last time I was on the island (long time ago now) the place I stayed was bought out and about to be torn down to build a new resort on the existing foundation. ;) |
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