| 00:47.10 | Russ | prpplague: did you get the files? |
| 01:05.28 | prpplague | Russ: yep sorphin sent them, thanks |
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| 03:19.03 | prpplague | TimRiker: you get my /msg ? |
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| 04:21.25 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 04:30.26 | TimRiker | prpplague: yep. don't, but I'll ask around. |
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| 14:02.59 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:04.02 | T` | moin |
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| 14:25.57 | CosmicAtWeekend | Wow - at some point here, I'm just going to flat out pass out |
| 14:26.15 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: monday? |
| 14:26.16 | ibot | rumour has it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 14:26.20 | CosmicPenguin | damn straight |
| 14:26.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats up? |
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| 14:32.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: just tired |
| 14:35.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, donna and chandler appear to have the flu |
| 14:35.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i'm gonna have to call in to work and stay home |
| 14:35.36 | prpplague | i hate calling "sick" |
| 14:35.37 | CosmicPenguin | dohy |
| 14:35.47 | CosmicPenguin | at least you'll get some stuff done around the house |
| 14:35.54 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:36.04 | prpplague | need to clean my desk, gotten to be a mess |
| 14:36.10 | sjhill | ~ibot bitchslap sorphin |
| 14:36.12 | ibot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sorphin |
| 14:36.14 | CosmicPenguin | Thats why I'm in early, I've got to go home early today and finish painting the kitchen |
| 14:36.37 | CosmicPenguin | We painted it this weekend, the color looked horrible, so I had to prime and do the first coat last night |
| 14:36.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: love those honey-do's |
| 14:36.47 | CosmicPenguin | Up till 1:30, now I get to do the second coat tonight |
| 14:36.58 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 14:37.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: really, less of a honey do, because I hate white walls, so I've been pushing her to paint for a while |
| 14:37.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 14:37.34 | CosmicPenguin | We were going to go all Trading Spaces on it, with faux treatments and shuch |
| 14:37.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: two moves in 6 months is a little stressfull |
| 14:37.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no doubt |
| 14:38.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, just gotta keep telling myself "soon i'll be barbados doing linux work!" |
| 14:38.50 | CosmicPenguin | exactly |
| 14:55.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lordy lordy |
| 14:55.59 | prpplague | sjhill: hey you ever done some code reverse engineering? |
| 14:56.07 | prpplague | sjhill: i.e. dissasembling a rom? |
| 14:57.49 | CosmicPenguin | No disassemble number 5! |
| 14:57.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:59.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.nationnews.com/StoryView.cfm?Record=56991&Section=LO&Current=2005%2D01%2D17%2000%3A00%3A00 |
| 15:05.19 | CosmicPenguin | I think that page was served by a 28k baud modem |
| 15:06.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, yea its a lousy server |
| 15:06.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: winblows |
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| 15:12.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, alicia keys has been down there all week |
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| 15:27.47 | CosmicPenguin | coffee will drive away my sleep and make my feet work less |
| 15:27.51 | CosmicPenguin | And make my heart race |
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| 15:38.47 | T0mW | prpplague: finally decided to look at the code eh? |
| 15:39.29 | T0mW | prpplague: I've reverse engineered a bunch of code |
| 15:39.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't know ARM assembly that much, but if you post it or e-mail it, I'll look at it too |
| 15:44.36 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:44.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i pulled "something" from the rom |
| 15:44.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just don't what to do with it yet |
| 15:44.52 | CosmicPenguin | I spend so much time looking at x86 opcodes, its nice to think about something else |
| 15:44.58 | T0mW | note please, I did not use the phrase "desire to learn" |
| 15:46.11 | T0mW | ummmm, coffee + bacon, is there a more delicious mixture? |
| 15:46.38 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:47.04 | T0mW | yah, and a cold one at that |
| 15:48.21 | T0mW | kergoth: I've given up on regex for a while, now it is on to css. |
| 15:48.28 | kergoth | heh, fun |
| 15:48.38 | T0mW | interesting though |
| 15:53.18 | prpplague | T0mW: *cough* woman+beer, imho more delicious |
| 15:54.21 | T0mW | well, the sweaty woman is probably right, but, I cannot have that every morning, coffee I can. |
| 15:54.34 | CosmicPenguin | amen to that |
| 16:07.11 | T0mW | anyone recommend a good html content editor, preferably that can manage style sheets? |
| 16:07.15 | T0mW | quantas? |
| 16:07.22 | T0mW | amaya? |
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| 16:37.12 | JoshMalone | hello |
| 16:37.34 | JoshMalone | has anyone here worked with the Silicon Motion voyager chip? |
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| 16:42.19 | JoshMalone | I'm trying to understand the chromakey/video alpha stuff on the sm501...worst chip manual ever |
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| 17:19.28 | T0mW | prpplague: recall a story about women + a jar of beans... |
| 17:19.41 | T0mW | prpplague: I recall a story about women + a jar of beans... |
| 17:24.21 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone catch Opus this sunday? |
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| 17:50.21 | prpplague | well the hagis is in the fire now |
| 17:53.12 | sjhill | prpplague: gave notice? |
| 17:53.19 | T0mW | prpplague: I hear it does not taste as well if you cook it that way |
| 17:53.37 | sjhill | T0mW: maybe you should go have lunch :) |
| 17:53.44 | prpplague | i just book tickets |
| 17:53.54 | prpplague | sending the wife and kids down on feb 26th |
| 17:54.01 | prpplague | my a couple of weeks later |
| 17:54.09 | prpplague | s/my/me |
| 17:54.57 | T0mW | sjhill: heh |
| 17:57.04 | prpplague | T0mW: good idea |
| 17:57.47 | T0mW | prpplague: I prefer: chamomile mint |
| 18:02.37 | sjhill | why? |
| 18:03.39 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.celestialseasonings.com/images/products/large/20ct_TTE.jpg |
| 18:03.49 | chouimat | sjhill: have the impression of being it by a train ... |
| 18:03.58 | T0mW | :) |
| 18:04.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:04.25 | T0mW | celestial teas are sooo expensive. I prefer Bigelow |
| 18:04.28 | sjhill | chouimat: did you do impressions as a child, or did your mother? |
| 18:04.45 | prpplague | sjhill: between kergoth chouimat and me, elinux is turning into a nut case channel |
| 18:04.56 | T0mW | or Twinings brand |
| 18:05.18 | sjhill | The Republic of Tea and Gevalia are my main staples |
| 18:05.19 | chouimat | sjhill: hehe ... and the fact I fooled around with a 34 years old woman that told me at 9am she was mother of 3 and married kind of put me down |
| 18:05.36 | sjhill | uh, yeah, that would be uh...bad |
| 18:05.52 | chouimat | sjhill: but the night before was .... wow!!! ;) |
| 18:07.06 | chouimat | sjhill: the only intelligent and sexy woman I connect with in long time happen to be married .... why???? |
| 18:07.33 | sjhill | uh, looking in wrong places? dunno' |
| 18:07.42 | prpplague | man o man |
| 18:07.57 | prpplague | i always dreamed of doing this, never thought it would happen |
| 18:08.02 | chouimat | sjhill: was 1 am in a pub and she was alone with a friend ... |
| 18:08.29 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 18:08.41 | CosmicPenguin | some how, prpplague's and chouimat's stories don't seem to fit together |
| 18:09.08 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: bah ... anyway laundry time |
| 18:09.25 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I'm reminded of Liar Liar |
| 18:09.38 | CosmicPenguin | "How are we doing today, Mr. Fletcher" "I'm a bit upset over a bad sexual episode last night" |
| 18:10.08 | sjhill | the pub, never look for women in the pub |
| 18:10.12 | sjhill | good grief |
| 18:10.13 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: the problem it was not bad ... I just want to see her again ;) |
| 18:10.41 | sjhill | "Everyone is the building is so nice...." |
| 18:10.44 | chouimat | sjhill: I was not even looking ... I was in tonight I get f* drunk |
| 18:10.51 | sjhill | s/is the/in this/ |
| 18:11.17 | chouimat | s/tonight/mood ... wow can't type need rest |
| 18:14.02 | prpplague | T0mW: ? |
| 18:15.43 | T0mW | prpplague: I've worked a few places where when I gave notice, they asked why wait? |
| 18:15.46 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:16.10 | CosmicPenguin | Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out |
| 18:16.14 | T0mW | right |
| 18:16.16 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, and can you take this to the trash when you go? |
| 18:16.32 | T0mW | yeah, your human resources file |
| 18:17.09 | T0mW | "yes, I am happy to say NNNN used to work for us" |
| 18:18.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:18.30 | prpplague | T0mW: yea well these ppl are _really_ nice |
| 18:18.46 | prpplague | T0mW: its probably the best place i've ever heard of to work for |
| 18:18.57 | T0mW | prpplague: that makes it tough to leave, good places are hard to find. |
| 18:19.05 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 18:19.12 | T0mW | 20yrs + gold watch |
| 18:19.13 | prpplague | T0mW: especially after just 3 months |
| 18:19.19 | T0mW | ow ow |
| 18:20.31 | T0mW | well, better than after 7..8 months. They've not become too reliant on your presence after 3 months. You should have informed them asap when you found out, the later the worse it is. |
| 18:21.41 | prpplague | T0mW: i didn't sign the deal until about 20 minutes ago |
| 18:22.57 | kergoth_ | bleh |
| 18:24.11 | prpplague | kergoth_: hey |
| 18:25.08 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:27.12 | prpplague | i guess they'd sell it at auction and then send me a bill for the diff |
| 18:27.31 | T0mW | hmmm, something my brother in Alabama sent me: "Y'all is singular. All y'all is plural. All y'all's is plural possessive." |
| 18:27.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you're upside down on your car? |
| 18:28.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just about even |
| 18:28.20 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 18:28.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: book value is about 12,500 and i owe about 12 |
| 18:28.43 | CosmicPenguin | What do you spose you could get for it? |
| 18:28.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably right at that, 12k |
| 18:29.03 | prpplague | problem is finding someone with 12k |
| 18:29.23 | prpplague | most ppl would have to get a loan, and for 12k most ppl would try to get something new |
| 18:29.38 | prpplague | kergoth_: whats up bud? |
| 18:34.53 | prpplague | kergoth_: still planning to look for a new Jay Oh Bee ? |
| 18:35.12 | kergoth_ | heh, i have no choice. the only question is what and where |
| 18:35.30 | prpplague | kergoth_: oh? "you got served" ? |
| 18:35.58 | kergoth_ | not persay, but my productivity has been down for long enough that my boss's patience has worn thin |
| 18:36.15 | kergoth_ | either i find another position, or we go into this annoying 'productivity problem' process, highly micromanaged, etc |
| 18:36.21 | kergoth_ | which neither of us really wants to do |
| 18:36.46 | prpplague | kergoth_: hehe, too bad you not a 9 to 5 kinda guy, i'd recommend ya for aml job, hehe |
| 18:37.25 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:37.36 | kergoth_ | there are jobs in other departments at ti i can probably take, but.. |
| 18:38.42 | chouimat | prpplague: good idea |
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| 19:15.21 | kergoth_ | hey dan |
| 19:15.37 | sorphin | kergoth: lo |
| 19:29.58 | MonMotha | apparently they have to take their entire cluster of 4 servers down at the same time to apply a few patches and add some hard drives to the LV |
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| 19:45.41 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher mate |
| 19:45.57 | pb_ | yo sorphin |
| 19:46.14 | prpplague | pb_: evening |
| 19:46.21 | prpplague | pb_: how was your monday |
| 19:46.21 | sorphin | prpplague: yo hillbilly |
| 19:46.27 | pb_ | hey prpplague |
| 19:46.39 | prpplague | sorphin: no long hillbilly, gonna be island boy |
| 19:46.55 | sorphin | prpplague: ok, islander |
| 19:47.01 | pb_ | prpplague: average. spent the afternoon chained to the soldering bench again. |
| 19:47.04 | sorphin | prpplague: regardless |
| 19:47.11 | sorphin | prpplague: draw up the contract tonight |
| 19:47.23 | prpplague | pb_: hehe, hope you had a ventalator |
| 19:47.32 | prpplague | pb_: those fumes can cause a migrain |
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| 19:50.51 | pb_ | prpplague: yah, I know that only too well |
| 19:57.05 | prpplague | kergoth_: well before i go, guess i need to met you at the flying saucer and buy you a couple of beers |
| 19:59.57 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.18 | prpplague | eggsMTS: greetings |
| 20:04.25 | prpplague | eggsMTS: whats cookin at ibm today? |
| 20:05.20 | eggsMTS | prpplague: not too much |
| 20:06.20 | eggers | just poking around for embedded channels to listen in on |
| 20:07.23 | prpplague | eggers: for ARM based, it doesn't any better than this one |
| 20:07.43 | prpplague | eggers: we have a few x86 and mips ppl too |
| 20:08.06 | prpplague | eggers: any particular area you looking at? |
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| 20:08.42 | prpplague | cbrake: hey hey |
| 20:09.24 | cbrake | prpplague: hey, you are everywhere ! |
| 20:09.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:09.35 | eggers | prpplague: I suppose I'm mostly interested in x86 for hobby stuff at home |
| 20:09.50 | prpplague | eggers: ahh, CosmicPenguin is your man then |
| 20:10.12 | prpplague | eggers: although most of use have done some x86, most the ppl here dabble in arm |
| 20:10.39 | prpplague | cbrake: hehe, i've been around for awhile, i know where the dev ppl hang, hehe |
| 20:11.56 | eggers | what advantages are there to ARM as oppsed to x86? |
| 20:12.52 | prpplague | eggers: arm cores are much less power hungry than x86 |
| 20:13.10 | prpplague | eggers: if you want your device to run on batteries, you need something other than x86 |
| 20:13.50 | CosmicPenguin | Thats pretty much true |
| 20:13.54 | prpplague | eggers: arm hardware is much more versatile that x86 hardware imho |
| 20:14.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you're biased |
| 20:14.10 | prpplague | eggers: arm doesn't have the legacy history of DOS development |
| 20:14.37 | CosmicPenguin | x86 has the legacy, but it also has the flexablity of the legacy, meaning more crap can get attached |
| 20:14.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, well, x86 has its place, just like the constraints placed on me when i'm doing a project |
| 20:17.17 | eggers | so, lets say you have a small load function like monitoring and controlling an HVAC system, but you want enough power to be network aware and run simple web apps |
| 20:18.29 | prpplague | eggers: you could use x86 with no problems there since you'd probably be running off a steady power supply |
| 20:19.46 | eggers | prpplague: I would guess there is a cost advantage to x86 over ARM too.? |
| 20:20.18 | prpplague | eggers: well depends on power and physical size |
| 20:20.48 | prpplague | eggers: really, deciding on which process you use is dependent on what kind of specifications for your job |
| 20:21.04 | eggers | prpplague: can you recommend any prepackaged x86 minimal small-form systems? |
| 20:21.19 | prpplague | eggers: what kind of i/o ? |
| 20:21.48 | eggers | probably serial i/o |
| 20:22.06 | prpplague | just rs-232? |
| 20:22.15 | prpplague | and what kind of price range are you wanting? |
| 20:22.43 | eggers | cheap as possible;O) |
| 20:22.50 | CosmicPenguin | I can hook you up, yo... |
| 20:23.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 20:23.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: watch this |
| 20:23.36 | prpplague | eggers: http://www.acrosser.com/pc104.htm |
| 20:23.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe really? |
| 20:24.11 | eggers | I assumed I'd have to build an external MUX of some kind |
| 20:24.45 | prpplague | eggers: mux to do what? |
| 20:25.00 | CosmicPenguin | See, now you hurt my feelings... :) |
| 20:25.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 20:25.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd recomment your tc but it doesn't have any i/o other than usb |
| 20:26.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah |
| 20:26.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i don't understand why that ref design wasn't more like the PIC |
| 20:26.11 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.advantech.com.tw/ePlatform/EC/SOM-2354/ |
| 20:26.14 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I recommend |
| 20:26.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, actually, the TC is a much better design then the PIC, IMHO |
| 20:26.33 | CosmicPenguin | first of all, it doesn't have a POTS |
| 20:26.40 | CosmicPenguin | modem |
| 20:26.52 | CosmicPenguin | and secondly, its storage solutions are much more... embedded |
| 20:27.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i could do without the POTS. but as far as the HD, yea, it should have been just an cf->ide adapter |
| 20:27.50 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I say |
| 20:28.12 | CosmicPenguin | But we've had bad luck with CF in the past here, and most folks are gun shy |
| 20:28.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but as far as the look and i/o , PIC would be easier to sell |
| 20:28.29 | CosmicPenguin | We had a few TC designes that they stuck full Windoze on, and the swap killed the CF in a few weeks |
| 20:28.40 | prpplague | well duh |
| 20:28.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: PIC and the TC have the same IO options |
| 20:28.49 | CosmicPenguin | heh - thats what I said |
| 20:28.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but not external connectors and "look" |
| 20:28.59 | eggers | thanks |
| 20:29.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: What IO do you think the PIC has that the Mambo doesn't? |
| 20:29.27 | prpplague | rs-232 |
| 20:29.35 | CosmicPenguin | it doesn't have rs-232 |
| 20:29.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? i was told it had 1 lpt and 1 rs-232 |
| 20:30.03 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 20:30.04 | CosmicPenguin | neither |
| 20:30.09 | CosmicPenguin | not even the header for the I/O |
| 20:30.22 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, the chipset *supports* it, but we use the same companion chip family in all of our products |
| 20:30.24 | prpplague | oh |
| 20:30.32 | prpplague | well then |
| 20:30.40 | prpplague | guess then its just down to looks |
| 20:30.46 | CosmicPenguin | RS-232 is available through a very nice hack, though |
| 20:30.52 | CosmicPenguin | Quite elegant |
| 20:31.09 | eggers | will the pc104 take a linux image? |
| 20:31.44 | prpplague | eggers: just for future ref, pc104 is a style of motherboard, i.e. like saying atx |
| 20:32.03 | prpplague | eggers: very few x86 based boards don't run linux these days |
| 20:33.37 | prpplague | eggers: http://www.pc104.org/ |
| 20:35.21 | prpplague | http://www.dsl-ltd.co.uk/products/gx2_etxspec.htm |
| 20:35.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that looks like a nice etx module |
| 20:37.47 | eggers | any idea what the cost is on the devkit for the etx link? |
| 20:38.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats a new one to me, I haven't seen that one come by |
| 20:38.38 | prpplague | eggers: sorry no |
| 20:39.28 | prpplague | eggers: really if you have no prior experience with embedded linux, i'd suggest starting out with a old pc and just doing some basics like building a floppy based image or something on a small cf card |
| 20:39.52 | prpplague | eggers: then you should be able to get an idea more about what kind of hardware you want to spend your money on |
| 20:40.56 | eggers | yeah, the first buys were a CF/IDE converter and a CF card |
| 20:41.11 | prpplague | eggers: yea - http://www.psism.com/adcf.htm |
| 20:41.25 | prpplague | eggers: good idea |
| 20:41.31 | eggers | when I've started to look for solutions and devkits I've been bogged down in the quantity of stuff out there |
| 20:42.25 | prpplague | eggers: yea, generally once you have an idea of the specs you need, you can post a question here, and you'll end up with a few boards to chose from |
| 20:46.09 | eggers | prpplague: what do you guys choose to do your code devel with? |
| 20:49.14 | prpplague | eggers: hehe, i'd say 98% of the ppl here use one of 3 items |
| 20:49.16 | prpplague | 1) vi |
| 20:49.19 | prpplague | 2) emacs |
| 20:49.21 | prpplague | 3) mc |
| 20:49.49 | prpplague | for editors |
| 20:49.56 | prpplague | and then as far as language |
| 20:50.00 | prpplague | 1) c |
| 20:50.03 | prpplague | 2) c++ |
| 20:50.42 | CosmicPenguin | Depends if you count scripting as a language |
| 20:51.07 | CosmicPenguin | And assembly |
| 20:51.08 | kergoth_ | s/1\) vi/1) vim/ :) |
| 20:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:52.40 | CosmicPenguin | Well, unless you count bb vi |
| 20:53.15 | kergoth_ | heh, true, but who codes with bb vi? |
| 20:53.44 | sorphin | ~die |
| 20:53.45 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 20:56.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 6380 items on ebay with the word barbados |
| 20:59.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: bored much? |
| 21:01.27 | eggers | thanks prpplague, CosmicPenguin, kergoth ... suppose I should try to get some company work done now :O/ |
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| 21:03.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, just trying to keep my mind off work for a bit |
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| 21:20.38 | cdm | hahaha... |
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