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| 00:42.33 | ibot | sorphin <sorphin@mewp.captainrock.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 3h 48m 49s ago, saying: '~die'. |
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| 01:53.06 | prpplague | uh what a day |
| 01:53.13 | kergoth | no doubt |
| 01:53.46 | prpplague | kergoth: donna has some sort of UTI, they gave her levaquin for 12 days |
| 01:53.50 | prpplague | cost a small fortune |
| 01:53.57 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 01:54.00 | prpplague | kergoth: yea |
| 01:54.15 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, no xes for 12 days either :( |
| 01:54.53 | prpplague | kergoth: i just keep telling myself in 60 days, you'll be drinking beer in barbados |
| 01:55.03 | prpplague | kergoth: how things going? |
| 01:55.14 | prpplague | kergoth: still bad at work? got any leads? |
| 01:55.38 | kergoth | few possible positions in TI, my boss's boss talked to the guy who runs the dept for one of them |
| 01:55.44 | kergoth | he'll probably want to talk to me soon, will see |
| 01:55.47 | kergoth | i'd rather stay at ti for now |
| 01:55.54 | kergoth | save up some cash, then figure out what to do from there |
| 01:56.04 | prpplague | yea, just didn't how well that would work |
| 01:56.13 | prpplague | would that include a change in $$ rate |
| 01:56.20 | kergoth | good question |
| 01:56.39 | kergoth | i'm underpaid for teh position i'm in. i'd be happy if i could retain this wage and move into userspace |
| 01:57.17 | prpplague | yea, i suspect that i'm underpaid for doing BSP's |
| 01:57.41 | prpplague | kergoth: feel really bad about leaving though |
| 01:57.56 | kergoth | nod, so soon, that does kinda suck |
| 01:58.16 | prpplague | kergoth: i feel like i betrayed their confidence, i hate that |
| 01:58.34 | prpplague | kergoth: guess i'm just not like some ppl, because i care about how ppl perceive me |
| 01:59.50 | prpplague | kergoth: well, we have to get together and have a beer before i leave |
| 02:00.10 | prpplague | kergoth: we can invite timmy too, just order a ginger ale for him |
| 02:00.35 | kergoth | nod |
| 02:01.37 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, got some of your "drugs" to spare, i could use a handful, hehe |
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| 02:09.16 | Russ | prpplague: you know, I'm pretty close to mexico |
| 02:10.42 | prpplague | Russ: oh? |
| 02:11.02 | prpplague | Russ: can you go across the border and pick up some mexican ho's? |
| 02:11.10 | Russ | no |
| 02:11.15 | Russ | mexican drugs |
| 02:12.26 | prpplague | Russ: too late already got them |
| 02:19.32 | prpplague | gonna take the 3 B's |
| 02:19.39 | prpplague | bath, beer, bed |
| 02:19.46 | kergoth | good plan |
| 02:19.47 | Russ | btw, honeywell keeps putting out new postings |
| 02:20.09 | prpplague | Russ: thats for the MTD stuff, gonna try it later this week |
| 02:20.26 | prpplague | Russ: hehe, kergoth would never pass the background check hehe |
| 02:21.03 | kergoth | heh, i dont have a degree. definate problem in general |
| 02:21.16 | prpplague | love to stay and chat, but i'm beat, night guys |
| 02:21.20 | kergoth | night |
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| 03:37.51 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 07:57.42 | TimRiker | so what do folks recommend in the way of thin GUIs? Qtopia/opie are huge, pixel/microwindows looks dormant, picogui died, X/Gtk is large too, but at least it's LGPL. fltk does not seem to be too active. |
| 08:02.41 | kergoth | the e17 core libs look like they have the potential to be a solid, actively developed thin gui |
| 08:02.50 | kergoth | should pester raster on status |
| 08:03.27 | kergoth | bleh, getting late |
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| 08:52.37 | andersee | `ls`: I suspect the way of the future on handhelds is gonna end up being X |
| 08:55.01 | jacques | andersee, I'm googling, but do you know where I could find info on which gcc optimization flags make sense for xscale ? |
| 08:55.44 | jacques | such as -falign-functions=2 (for all I know that may be totally wrong for xscale) |
| 08:58.48 | andersee | jacques: -mtune=xscale -march=armv4 -Wa,-mcpu=xscale |
| 08:59.09 | jacques | ok thanks :-) |
| 08:59.11 | andersee | jacques: as far as I know, that plus -Os is gonna do what you want |
| 09:00.39 | jacques | why do you recommend -Os as opposed to say -O3 ? |
| 09:02.11 | andersee | because generally -Os produces binaries that are smaller, plus end up running faster due to less cache trashing |
| 09:02.21 | jacques | oooh interesting |
| 09:02.29 | jacques | I'll definitely try that then |
| 09:02.45 | andersee | on arm at least, I use -Os unless I have a specific reason to do otherwise |
| 09:02.57 | jacques | good to know |
| 09:03.10 | andersee | some apps will run faster with -O2 of course |
| 09:03.32 | jacques | heh |
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| 14:56.17 | chouimat | morn ign |
| 14:58.46 | sjhill | hey chouimat |
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| 15:04.45 | prpplague | morning all |
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| 15:26.30 | sorphin | ~tuesday |
| 15:26.32 | ibot | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 15:27.41 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 15:27.42 | ibot | selling used products as new isn't unethical! |
| 15:33.57 | pb_ | morning plague |
| 15:33.59 | pb_ | hi sorphin |
| 15:39.09 | prpplague | pb_: hey |
| 15:40.01 | prpplague | i need to do a fresh pull from cvs and make sure everything build properly |
| 15:40.06 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 15:40.31 | CosmicPenguin | I've got two evil bugs, a release, and sync OE |
| 15:41.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i really wish i could bring myself to put the m-7100 build over on oe |
| 15:41.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but it just seems daunting |
| 15:43.55 | CosmicPenguin | Its really not that bad |
| 15:44.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, problem is creating custom metadata for our apps |
| 15:45.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the config files are totally incomprehensable to me |
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| 15:47.10 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher |
| 15:47.41 | [g2] | I heard some ppl might be hacking the Zipit over here ? |
| 15:48.22 | prpplague | [g2]: timriker who's listed at 'ls' right now (he's away) is heading the zipit hacking |
| 15:48.53 | [g2] | We've got the rootfs and kernel images |
| 15:48.58 | [g2] | you can loopmount it |
| 15:49.22 | prpplague | [g2]: yea, was looking at that myself |
| 15:49.46 | [g2] | there's really not a whole lot to it |
| 15:49.50 | prpplague | [g2]: i spoke to eric andersen about the busybox gpl issue |
| 15:50.19 | [g2] | which issue might that be ? |
| 15:50.30 | prpplague | cbrake: hey, hows life at the udead accelent? |
| 15:50.35 | prpplague | [g2]: no source |
| 15:50.38 | chouimat | coool -26C outside!!!!! |
| 15:51.05 | [g2] | prpplague, I don't think they need to provide very much |
| 15:51.17 | [g2] | if anything |
| 15:51.26 | CosmicPenguin | source on request, if nothing else |
| 15:52.45 | [g2] | CP, I'm pretty sure it's a vanilla linux system with one 1.6MB application, linked statically and 10 lines of init scripts |
| 15:53.28 | [g2] | there's the wireless, but that's a module |
| 15:54.04 | [g2] | so unless there were mods there it's pretty plain Jane |
| 15:54.09 | cbrake | prpplague: pretty busy -- still stuck on a WinCE project -- several Linux things going, but not top priority ATM |
| 15:54.28 | prpplague | [g2]: agreed, but the source for the GPL and LGPL apps has to be made available |
| 15:54.52 | prpplague | [g2]: even if its to say we didn't modify it and you can dl it from the bb.net site |
| 15:55.00 | [g2] | prpplague, nod. And it think the answer will be stock versions of those |
| 15:55.02 | [g2] | that's all |
| 15:55.22 | CosmicPenguin | The offer still has to be made |
| 15:55.31 | [g2] | nod. |
| 15:55.46 | prpplague | [g2]: yea, its just the principle of the thing, we have to be vigilant and make sure ppl don't abuse the GPL |
| 15:55.50 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not one of these idiots who things the GPL compels a company to release full SDKs and crap like that |
| 15:55.51 | [g2] | There should be a central clearing house for this stuff :) |
| 15:56.05 | CosmicPenguin | Just put a notice on a page in the manual - this stuff is from <blah> |
| 15:56.15 | CosmicPenguin | Hell, even Tivo does that - the GPL is in the manual |
| 15:56.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: exactly |
| 15:57.15 | [g2] | Hopefully, Tivo will GPL all their sw before they go Tango Umbro |
| 15:58.22 | [g2] | I *really* like that boater nick in here |
| 16:04.21 | sorphin | [g2]: actually, it's unlikely that they will |
| 16:04.27 | prpplague | ibot: seen noa |
| 16:04.28 | ibot | noa <~dspyder@70-97-218-224.dsl2.elk.ca.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 2d 18h 15m 41s ago, saying: 'Good stuff, thanks'. |
| 16:05.03 | sorphin | [g2]: they've already outright said, that allthey will do is send out the special 'code' that'll allow you to not have to dial in, etc, if they go belly up |
| 16:05.09 | sorphin | they'll only 'sell' their code |
| 16:05.38 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't even hear they were on the ropes |
| 16:05.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm having a brain cramp, whats the c command to return the tty the app is running from? |
| 16:06.09 | [g2] | sorphin, nod |
| 16:06.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: they're getting really close, esp by not teaming w/ the cable co.s |
| 16:06.54 | CosmicPenguin | Is that a reported fact, or just your opinion? |
| 16:07.00 | sorphin | cable is doing their own dvrs now, satellite (except directv) has theirs |
| 16:07.05 | sorphin | fact |
| 16:07.11 | CosmicPenguin | link? |
| 16:07.28 | sorphin | you must not check /. much, heh |
| 16:07.43 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, well a search of Tivo returned exactly zero |
| 16:07.51 | sorphin | fine, hold on |
| 16:08.26 | sorphin | http://slashdot.org/articles/05/01/18/0125256.shtml?tid=129&tid=1 |
| 16:08.33 | sorphin | gee.. that was hard to find |
| 16:08.44 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, your opinoin and a buck fifty will buy me a cup of coffee |
| 16:08.54 | [g2] | doh! sorphin beat me to it! |
| 16:09.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that link ain't *my* opinion |
| 16:10.13 | [g2] | well in the links it mentions that Tivo has spent .5B of investment money but only earned .25B in total revenue iirc |
| 16:11.01 | [g2] | and it mentions that Ramseys' leaving is probably a result of the Comcast deal falling apart |
| 16:11.04 | sorphin | [g2]: they don't turn any profits.. hell, they were (and still actually are) subsidizing the prices of the HW |
| 16:11.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe well duh, its ttyname(), not had enough coffee yet |
| 16:11.25 | [g2] | sorphin, and they are not M$oft with $50B in the bank |
| 16:11.35 | sorphin | [g2]: if they weren't making $ selling the boxes for $499, you know they're not making $ selling them for $59 |
| 16:11.57 | sorphin | they depend on people paying fo rthe guide |
| 16:12.12 | sorphin | and realy, the guide isn't worth that much, tbh |
| 16:12.38 | sorphin | esp when you can find cheaper alternatives that do the same thing |
| 16:13.00 | sorphin | my fiancee's parents got a dishpvr for $5 from dishnetwork, heh |
| 16:13.03 | [g2] | Classic Inventors Dilemma |
| 16:13.06 | sorphin | no monthly fee |
| 16:13.46 | [g2] | Or "Classic death in the chasm crossing" |
| 16:14.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and in the future, i'd appreciate you keeping your 'your opinion...coffee' comments to yourself, :P since i didn't criticize you |
| 16:15.38 | [g2] | CosmicPenguin, thx for the spunky reply, I'm interested what your opinions is |
| 16:16.54 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: oh, yeah, and you're so great at keeping your comments about others to yourself |
| 16:17.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: let me know when 'others' refers to *you* |
| 16:17.39 | CosmicPenguin | touche |
| 16:17.44 | sorphin | anyways, i posted a link pointing out that it wasn't *my* 'opinion' |
| 16:17.57 | sorphin | end of topic for me |
| 16:19.13 | sorphin | as if 1 wasn't bad enough |
| 16:19.54 | kergoth | morning |
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| 16:22.41 | cdm | morning. |
| 16:23.57 | sorphin | cdm: lo |
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| 16:48.17 | sjhill | !$!#@$# LynxOS |
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| 17:05.07 | sorphin | sjhill: !$!#@$# MIPS |
| 17:11.54 | sorphin | dancing around w/ a rather large SGI machine :P |
| 17:43.56 | prpplague | kergoth: bastardized setfont to load small fonts |
| 17:47.51 | sorphin | prpplague: apparently there's a photoshoot from 1983 of your hero up on /. right now |
| 17:48.07 | prpplague | ~/. |
| 17:48.08 | ibot | from memory, slashdot is http://slashdot.org, or they're so lame they had to interview unknown_lamer for more content |
| 17:48.21 | prpplague | ~ /. |
| 17:48.22 | ibot | slashdot is probably http://slashdot.org, or they're so lame they had to interview unknown_lamer for more content |
| 17:48.31 | prpplague | ibot: /. |
| 17:48.33 | ibot | somebody said slashdot was http://slashdot.org, or they're so lame they had to interview unknown_lamer for more content |
| 17:48.47 | prpplague | odd, i thought that used to pull the headlines |
| 17:48.54 | prpplague | ~slashdot |
| 17:49.30 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, cdm posted a url yesterday, i almost vomitted my chamomile tea |
| 17:49.43 | sorphin | prpplague: haha |
| 17:49.55 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:50.05 | sorphin | doncha love the Mac on the desk behind him? |
| 17:53.30 | sorphin | ~lart UPS |
| 17:53.45 | sorphin | my FSCKING package arrived at the hub yesterday afternoon, they won't even pull it till tonight |
| 17:53.50 | sorphin | yet, if it were fedex |
| 17:53.58 | sorphin | i'd get it today if it arrived yesterday |
| 17:54.02 | sorphin | even tho it's a day early |
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| 18:25.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, you know how we talked about cutting the chipselect line to the rom on the pixter? |
| 18:25.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: after closer inspection, there is a marked solder pad on the back side of the made board for disabling the chipselect |
| 18:26.04 | sorphin | prpplague: sweet |
| 18:27.01 | prpplague | sorphin: i suspect that the one external pin that i can't identify is part of a latch that if you cut this pad then it enables it on the external connector |
| 18:27.08 | prpplague | sorphin: but thats just a guess at the momment |
| 18:27.32 | sorphin | prpplague: it's possible |
| 18:27.46 | sorphin | prpplague: only 1 way to find out |
| 18:27.50 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:27.58 | prpplague | sorphin: looks like the board has several other "options" available |
| 18:28.18 | sorphin | prpplague: oh? |
| 18:28.21 | sorphin | options how? |
| 18:28.24 | prpplague | hehe, i wish i had the money to save |
| 18:28.26 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterDevBoard |
| 18:28.31 | prpplague | see the bottom of the page |
| 18:28.34 | sorphin | prpplague: well, i kinda have to |
| 18:28.46 | sorphin | closing costs will kill me |
| 18:29.45 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:29.49 | sorphin | option being option rom |
| 18:30.36 | prpplague | sorphin: don't know, gotta trace out the lines |
| 18:30.55 | prpplague | sorphin: btw, i add a page on the pixtercamera |
| 18:31.08 | sorphin | plague plague he's our man, if he can't do it... no one else wants to ;) |
| 18:31.18 | sorphin | camera? |
| 18:31.53 | sorphin | interesting |
| 18:31.55 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterCamera |
| 18:32.00 | sorphin | yeah |
| 18:32.01 | sorphin | just saw |
| 18:32.03 | sorphin | interesting |
| 18:32.36 | sorphin | prpplague: actually ahve one? |
| 18:32.41 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:32.54 | sorphin | it display on the lcd in some lil app or something? |
| 18:32.55 | prpplague | hehe, how else would i know whats inside? hehehe |
| 18:33.04 | prpplague | sorphin: yea |
| 18:33.20 | prpplague | sorphin: after you take a pic you can doodle on it |
| 18:34.45 | sorphin | ah, so it's only a 'shoot' camera |
| 18:34.48 | [g2] | what's the Pixter cost ? |
| 18:34.58 | prpplague | retail about $79.00 |
| 18:35.01 | sorphin | [g2]: only "$19.95" *smirk* |
| 18:35.20 | prpplague | sorphin: not sure i understand what you mean |
| 18:35.44 | prpplague | [g2]: you can get them cheaper on ebay sometimes |
| 18:35.45 | sorphin | prpplague: a shoot only camera vs a constant on camera |
| 18:35.59 | sorphin | prpplague: follow now? |
| 18:36.02 | prpplague | sorphin: uh no |
| 18:36.26 | sorphin | prpplague: its only like a digital camera vs a webcam :P |
| 18:36.41 | prpplague | sorphin: oh, video vs. stills |
| 18:36.41 | sorphin | if you don't get it now, i can't help you :P |
| 18:36.43 | sorphin | ya |
| 18:36.51 | prpplague | sorphin: your wording was confusing |
| 18:37.18 | sorphin | so again, it only does stills and not video |
| 18:37.19 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, you get motion while getting ready to take a still |
| 18:37.22 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:37.33 | prpplague | sorphin: but doesn't record any video |
| 18:37.35 | sorphin | k |
| 18:37.52 | prpplague | sorphin: but thats not really why i purchased it |
| 18:38.04 | prpplague | sorphin: i just needed a nice case and some parts |
| 18:38.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:38.21 | sorphin | ok then.. |
| 18:38.34 | prpplague | brb, need to test a new image for the m-7100, give me a sec |
| 18:39.13 | prpplague | ok back |
| 18:39.51 | prpplague | sorphin: i've been trying to find some other carts that i can hack but the camera is the only one that is generic enough |
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| 18:40.00 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:40.28 | prpplague | sorphin: it does look like the key to the external carts is that they have some sort of serial prom that identifies the cart |
| 18:40.46 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:40.49 | sorphin | cute |
| 18:43.08 | cdm | any of you guys know a Micheal Edwards? |
| 18:43.30 | cdm | m.k.edwards@gmail.com |
| 18:45.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good news with that chip select |
| 18:45.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 18:49.04 | T`|Heli | sorphin: i got some |
| 18:49.19 | sorphin | T`|Heli: share the wealth brutha ;) |
| 18:49.25 | T`|Heli | alright.. hold |
| 18:49.53 | T`|Heli | pm your frist name, last name, email |
| 18:50.14 | T`|Heli | i thought gmail invites are commonplace now a days |
| 18:50.17 | T`|Heli | hehe |
| 18:53.48 | prpplague | sorphin: just out of curiosity, why do you still think that hacking the pixter is not a good learning tool? |
| 18:54.43 | T`|Heli | anyone here familiar wiht ELF relocation types? |
| 18:55.00 | sorphin | prpplague: never said i didnt' think it was |
| 18:55.03 | T`|Heli | i am trying for some operation which i could use to subtract a value from symbol value before relocation |
| 18:55.25 | prpplague | <sorphin> plague plague he's our man, if he can't do it... no one else wants to ;) |
| 18:55.35 | sorphin | prpplague: it was a joke, dave |
| 18:55.40 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 18:56.38 | prpplague | argh, i have so much userland stuff to do today |
| 18:56.45 | prpplague | i'd rather be hacking hardware |
| 19:03.17 | sorphin | svn? |
| 19:03.24 | sorphin | ~svn? |
| 19:03.25 | ibot | i guess subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 19:03.42 | sorphin | doesn't sound like it is if you're throwing things at it ;) |
| 19:06.03 | CosmicPenguin | I'm getting some sort of funky ass db error |
| 19:08.50 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: what error |
| 19:09.27 | T`|Heli | sorphin: you should try svn.. its throws away all the other version management software out of the window |
| 19:09.42 | CosmicPenguin | T`|Heli: Berkeley DB error while opening environment for filesystem: Invalid argument |
| 19:09.52 | CosmicPenguin | T`|Heli: and svn can't hold a candle to bitkeeper or perforce, in my book |
| 19:09.56 | sorphin | T`|Heli: obviously :P |
| 19:10.12 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: is that on any svn operation? |
| 19:10.23 | CosmicPenguin | T`|Heli: no, actually, I can do bitbake stuff |
| 19:10.24 | sorphin | now perforce |
| 19:10.29 | sorphin | that's another story |
| 19:10.38 | CosmicPenguin | perforce needs to borrow more from bitkeeper |
| 19:10.51 | T`|Heli | perforce isnt free is it? |
| 19:10.56 | sorphin | negative |
| 19:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | I would much love to be able to move my repositories around |
| 19:10.58 | T`|Heli | they used it at a place i interned last summer |
| 19:11.09 | sorphin | T`|Heli: good ole "tivo" uses perforce |
| 19:11.19 | T`|Heli | heh u worked for tivo? |
| 19:11.22 | sorphin | don't ask how i know this |
| 19:11.24 | sorphin | no |
| 19:11.29 | sorphin | i just know some things |
| 19:11.52 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: are you sure your paths to repo are correct? |
| 19:12.03 | T`|Heli | sorphin: heh ok |
| 19:12.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe <sarcasm> wow this is cool, i wish i had though of this http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2025313308.html </sarcasm> |
| 19:12.27 | CosmicPenguin | T`|Heli: heh - that seems to be the standard subversion response |
| 19:12.50 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: well, it depends. if you have the wrong file:// it will throw that.. and also for wrong config |
| 19:13.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, thats a money maker right there |
| 19:13.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jeeze, i'm trying to remember the first time i ran linux on the ibm 4694 |
| 19:14.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: iirc it was back in the fall of 2000, in nassau |
| 19:14.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its a shame that abcs didn't run with it |
| 19:16.58 | CosmicPenguin | bah - now I can't compile it |
| 19:17.07 | CosmicPenguin | subversion refuses to play well with others |
| 19:17.30 | sorphin | ~lart svn |
| 19:17.37 | sorphin | :) |
| 19:22.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: @#$%@$#$%, that post makes me furious |
| 19:22.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i still have issues with abcs, hehe |
| 19:24.50 | CosmicPenguin | Thats to be expected |
| 19:27.25 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, a quick rebuild, and we're in business, I hope |
| 19:27.37 | CosmicPenguin | at least its building subversion, which is better then about 10 minutes ago |
| 19:28.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, subversion....just 3 letters away from perversion, hehe |
| 19:29.31 | T`|Heli | lol |
| 19:36.50 | prpplague | wow, this is really interesting |
| 19:37.05 | prpplague | try this url: http://http://www.cnnfn.com |
| 19:38.03 | T`|Heli | prpplague: i am lucky search on google i think |
| 19:38.21 | prpplague | T`|Heli: ? |
| 19:38.34 | prpplague | T`|Heli: what did you get when you used that url? |
| 19:38.42 | T`|Heli | M$ |
| 19:39.02 | prpplague | T`|Heli: seems anything i try with http://http:// goes to microsoft |
| 19:39.14 | T`|Heli | hmm.. weird.. in firefox!!! |
| 19:39.37 | T`|Heli | oh damn. yea! so weird |
| 19:44.04 | CosmicPenguin | T`|Heli: is the error I posted a message from my local svn client, or the repo? |
| 19:44.49 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: your client i think, what was the command you issued? |
| 19:45.26 | sorphin | prpplague: stop being so subversive ;) |
| 19:46.26 | CosmicPenguin | svn co svn+ssh:<repo> <dist> |
| 19:46.53 | prpplague | sorphin: this is just plain weird |
| 19:47.00 | prpplague | sorphin: does it do the same for you? |
| 19:48.27 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: is the repo remote or local? |
| 19:48.35 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: check the destination if its right |
| 19:48.50 | CosmicPenguin | It is, dammit |
| 19:48.54 | CosmicPenguin | stop asking me that |
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| 19:49.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 19:49.26 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: hey.. no need to be rude.. just making sure ! |
| 19:49.35 | sorphin | prpplague: does what do what? |
| 19:49.59 | prpplague | sorphin: go to this address: http://http://www.cnn.com |
| 19:50.22 | sorphin | nope it takes me to cnn |
| 19:50.24 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: does any other svn repo work? |
| 19:50.46 | CosmicPenguin | T`|Heli: yep - bitbake works fine |
| 19:50.48 | sorphin | now under windows however, firefox w/ a syntax like that, takes me to some other site (but not microsoft) |
| 19:51.01 | prpplague | sorphin: are you sure? |
| 19:51.06 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: if that repo is a open one, i can give it a shot |
| 19:51.23 | CosmicPenguin | Its not |
| 19:51.29 | CosmicPenguin | But the windoze version works fine |
| 19:52.02 | sorphin | prpplague: i just tried it :P |
| 19:52.39 | sorphin | prpplague: silly offlander |
| 19:52.42 | sorphin | ;) |
| 19:53.01 | prpplague | sorphin: that is weird |
| 19:53.10 | sorphin | course i tried under solaris ;) |
| 19:53.16 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: sorry, not sure then. |
| 19:53.19 | prpplague | sorphin: any page i type with http://http:// takes me to m$ |
| 19:53.38 | sorphin | prpplague: only under doze does it redirect me, and it usually ends up http.com |
| 19:54.01 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, i'm using firefox under linux and it takes me to ms |
| 19:54.07 | sorphin | dunno then |
| 19:54.18 | prpplague | and T`|Heli said it did the same to him |
| 19:54.37 | sorphin | course, all my linux boxes are headless |
| 19:54.40 | T`|Heli | prpplague: i am on windows now.. lemme try on my laptop |
| 19:55.10 | sorphin | prpplague: all i know is under solaris firefox, it took me to cnn.com |
| 19:55.50 | T`|Heli | yup.. same result on linux but only on firefox.. mozilla goes to www.http.com |
| 19:56.17 | sorphin | dunno then |
| 19:56.51 | sorphin | and linux, as i said.. never use X |
| 19:56.55 | prpplague | sorphin: you using firefox? |
| 19:59.20 | sorphin | yes |
| 19:59.24 | sorphin | that's all i use |
| 19:59.31 | sorphin | cept if i have to multitest a browser |
| 19:59.39 | prpplague | interesting, looks like the mozilla and firefox ppl are stumped |
| 19:59.46 | sorphin | nod |
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| 20:05.56 | T`|Heli | prpplague: i read about this somewhere yesterday.. dont remember though |
| 20:06.10 | T`|Heli | prpplague: was this on /. or someting? or may be deja vu here :/ |
| 20:08.39 | prpplague | http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5447 |
| 20:08.48 | prpplague | T`|Heli: looks like its googling |
| 20:09.04 | prpplague | T`|Heli: the most requested page with http:// in it |
| 20:09.12 | prpplague | T`|Heli: is www.microsoft.com |
| 20:10.53 | prpplague | T`|Heli: they suggest adding some additional options to your search files |
| 20:11.14 | T`|Heli | haha weird |
| 20:11.25 | T`|Heli | you would assume people be smart enough to know where microsoft's website is |
| 20:12.08 | T`|Heli | CosmicPenguin: btw.. i hope you have it this way: svn+ssh://[optional path]repos |
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| 20:16.29 | CosmicPenguin | T`|Heli: indeed |
| 20:17.56 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... I wonder if its trying to go through the proxy |
| 20:18.01 | T`|Heli | is bitbake over ssh? |
| 20:18.19 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 20:18.45 | T`|Heli | looks like your proxy lets ssh connections happen then.. since the same bitbake repo worked |
| 20:19.09 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but this is an internal site |
| 20:20.23 | T`|Heli | ooh.. i am not sure, i would assume it just uses your default routes to access the site. I have a local repo, but i just use file:// for that purpose |
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| 20:24.58 | prpplague | all hail the arrival of bzflag |
| 20:40.53 | prpplague | ibot: seen t0mw |
| 20:40.56 | ibot | t0mw <tom@24.229.141.189> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 19h 58m 34s ago, saying: '~seen sorphin'. |
| 20:56.23 | sorphin | yay |
| 20:56.30 | sorphin | my real orinoco cards showed up |
| 20:56.50 | sorphin | in 1 day |
| 20:57.00 | sorphin | now that's what i call priority mail |
| 20:58.21 | prpplague | anyone used pcb to do a board? |
| 20:58.36 | CosmicPenguin | heh - tom... :) |
| 20:59.00 | TimRiker | prpplague: =) we shipped 2.0.0 yesterday. fun stuff, but exausting. |
| 21:00.28 | prpplague | TimRiker: lovely |
| 21:00.48 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:07.37 | prpplague | hmm pcb seems pretty no intuitive |
| 21:10.01 | prpplague | [g2]: bzflag |
| 21:10.10 | prpplague | ibot: bzflag |
| 21:10.13 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 21:11.32 | [g2] | neat |
| 21:28.29 | sorphin | eh, who would play bzflag? ;) *duck* |
| 21:31.02 | kergoth | ugh |
| 21:31.03 | kergoth | today sucks |
| 21:36.56 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, i just keep telling myself "soon i'll be in barbados" , oops wait that won't work for you :P |
| 21:37.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:37.13 | kergoth | bah |
| 21:37.15 | kergoth | ~insult prpplague |
| 21:37.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:38.51 | CosmicPenguin | I miss pixil |
| 21:40.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pixil? wasn't the name of a stripper we used to go see? |
| 21:41.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: probably, but she's old and saggy now |
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| 22:14.27 | TimRiker | a GUI, a GUI. /me wants a GUI. small and fair, with speedy boot up hair. oh, for the want of a GUI. |
| 22:15.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:16.35 | sorphin | prpplague: so what're you gonna have your minions in barbados call you? mr plague? oh supreme ruler? ;) |
| 22:18.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:18.39 | prpplague | not sure yet, just gotta blend first |
| 22:18.48 | prpplague | since they don;t care for americans down there |
| 22:19.04 | prpplague | sorphin: they much prefer the british |
| 22:20.22 | TimRiker | anyone else get a Zipit yet? mine's still in the mail. |
| 22:20.39 | sorphin | TimRiker: some of us don't have the Riker Money :P |
| 22:20.48 | TimRiker | =/ |
| 22:21.43 | TimRiker | I'm wondering if it's greyscale or just b/w |
| 22:21.52 | sorphin | TimRiker: you could always get me one as a wedding present ;) |
| 22:22.06 | TimRiker | =) |
| 22:22.18 | sorphin | heh, pop goes the network |
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| 22:23.26 | prpplague | TimRiker: re |
| 22:24.03 | prpplague | sorphin: pretty close to booting uclinux on the pixter |
| 22:24.22 | TimRiker | prpplague: sweet. |
| 22:24.46 | TimRiker | using jtag to debug? serial? or what? |
| 22:24.55 | prpplague | TimRiker: found a pcb house that will make pcb's for the cart |
| 22:25.05 | prpplague | TimRiker: initial tests were with jtag |
| 22:25.29 | prpplague | TimRiker: i've cut the chip select for the internal rom, and am booting from an external flash chip now |
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| 22:26.25 | prpplague | TimRiker: but it does look like the internal rom has a procedure for remapping the chip selects |
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| 22:30.54 | TimRiker | prpplague: and how far is the boot? getting bits out serial? are you using a bootloader or a raw kernel? |
| 22:33.14 | prpplague | argh |
| 22:33.31 | sorphin | prpplague: awesome |
| 22:33.55 | sorphin | prpplague: argh? |
| 22:34.02 | prpplague | i wanted to talk to tim |
| 22:34.05 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:34.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:34.07 | sorphin | he'll be back |
| 22:34.14 | sorphin | it's the TI wireless |
| 22:34.38 | prpplague | yea, i'm just booting a raw c program right now that inits the uart and gives me a little console to toggle the gpio's |
| 22:35.17 | prpplague | sorphin: the real hold up is the ram |
| 22:36.08 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm hopin i can run a uclinux XIP kernel, and leave the rest of the ram for apps |
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| 22:37.02 | prpplague | TimRiker: re |
| 22:37.14 | prpplague | TimRiker; yea, i'm just booting a raw c program right now that inits the uart and gives me a little console to toggle the gpio's |
| 22:39.57 | TimRiker | cool! |
| 22:40.18 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 22:40.29 | sorphin | TimRiker: also he mentioned |
| 22:40.36 | sorphin | <prpplague> sorphin: the real hold up is the ram |
| 22:40.36 | sorphin | <prpplague> sorphin: i'm hopin i can run a uclinux XIP kernel, and leave the |
| 22:40.36 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.16 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea, the pixter has a base ram of 128k, which is half of the gba |
| 22:41.20 | sorphin | tho i still don't even understand that |
| 22:41.30 | sorphin | you'd still have to use *some* memory |
| 22:41.40 | sorphin | no? |
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| 22:42.11 | prpplague | TimRiker: my external cart will be adding at least 256KB ram with more likely of 1MB |
| 22:42.14 | prpplague | andersee: hey |
| 22:42.58 | prpplague | TimRiker: but my target is, mmc card, ram, flash, and 1 rs-232 on the external cart |
| 22:43.10 | sorphin | prpplague: the mmc will allow much more storage |
| 22:43.24 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
| 22:43.29 | prpplague | TimRiker: the rs-232 will probably be a small audio style jack, 3 wire |
| 22:43.42 | sorphin | prpplague: that's how tivo does it too for serial |
| 22:43.46 | sorphin | among other devices |
| 22:44.21 | prpplague | andersee: whats you $.02 on 1MB ram running the uclinux kernel XIP ? enough to be usefull? |
| 22:45.03 | prpplague | sorphin: on the camera cart, where the camera lens was, thats where i'll be sticking the rs-232 |
| 22:45.12 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 22:45.21 | sorphin | prpplague: that should fit well |
| 22:45.23 | prpplague | sorphin: or possible IR |
| 22:45.28 | andersee | prpplague: I |
| 22:45.37 | sorphin | prpplague: IR would be neat |
| 22:45.46 | sorphin | tho rs-232 would be easier |
| 22:46.17 | andersee | prpplague: I've run uclinux with 1MB ram, but it was a tight fit and couldn't do. I needed 2MB ram to really do anything useful |
| 22:46.31 | andersee | s/do/do much/ |
| 22:46.38 | prpplague | andersee: ahh, so i really should work for 2MB |
| 22:47.09 | prpplague | andersee: i'm wondering if i should just implement some sort of sdram controler so i can much more ram |
| 22:47.36 | sorphin | prpplague: thought it had one? |
| 22:47.58 | prpplague | sorphin: sram |
| 22:48.01 | prpplague | sorphin: not sdram |
| 22:48.04 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:48.09 | sorphin | and sram costs too much |
| 22:48.16 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:49.37 | prpplague | andersee: since i'm not very familiar with uclinux, might i ask a quick question, how well will it handle having two ram banks? |
| 22:50.06 | prpplague | andersee: i.e. using the 128K onboard + the ram on the cart? |
| 22:54.37 | pb_ | prpplague: several vendors now have pseudo-static rams (i.e. dram wrapped up with an integrated controller to make it look like sram). |
| 22:55.13 | sorphin | pb_: oh really |
| 22:55.18 | pb_ | yah |
| 22:55.20 | sorphin | interesting |
| 22:55.39 | sorphin | gotta be fairly $$ tho |
| 22:56.55 | pb_ | yeah, probably. on the other hand, you get to set that off against the cost of the fpga or whatever you would have used to implement the dram controller. |
| 22:57.07 | sorphin | true |
| 22:58.33 | prpplague | pb_: yea, i looked at some |
| 22:58.56 | andersee | prpplague: dunno really |
| 22:59.05 | prpplague | pb_: well i was considering using something like what was done on the xport |
| 22:59.39 | prpplague | andersee: ahh ok, just figured with some of your uclinux experience you might have run across some odd ram configs |
| 22:59.56 | andersee | prpplague: might be a tricky for the kernel, but the kernel could easily have user space use a seperate chunk of ram |
| 23:01.01 | prpplague | andersee: use the 128k for the kernel and the other for userspace? that sounds doable |
| 23:08.54 | TimRiker | andersee: the GBA uClinux port is a 2.0 kernel. they have 256k (well, 288k really) and run a shell. I think they have networking disabled and many other bits in order to wedge it in. |
| 23:09.23 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea |
| 23:09.40 | TimRiker | prpplague: the GBA has 2 ram areas. a 256k and a 32k. |
| 23:09.41 | prpplague | TimRiker: iirc they don't use the internal ram so, they actually just use 256k |
| 23:10.04 | TimRiker | I thought they had interrupt vectors or some such in the 32k |
| 23:10.19 | TimRiker | does the pixter have any in-cpu memory? |
| 23:10.29 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.49 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea, the pixter has 32k similiar to the gba |
| 23:11.19 | prpplague | TimRiker: http://wwwhsse.fh-hagenberg.at/Studierende/hse02006/uclgba/gba-howto/ |
| 23:12.01 | prpplague | TimRiker: big difference is that the mian board for the pixter has only 128k |
| 23:12.22 | prpplague | TimRiker: now i've checked, it would not be difficult to remove the chip and upgraded it to 512k |
| 23:25.41 | prpplague | this is interesting - http://www.cypress.com/portal/server.pt?space=CommunityPage&control=SetCommunity&CommunityID=209&PageID=259&fid=38&rpn=CYM8210B& |
| 23:30.39 | TimRiker | High-density 32-megabit SRAM module ... then ... is a high-performance 8-megabit static RAM module ... hmm. |
| 23:32.32 | pb_ | "organised as 2M words by 16 bits" would make it the biggest 8Mbit module I've seen in a while. |
| 23:33.29 | TimRiker | it's a SIMM though. not a single chip. |
| 23:33.50 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea |
| 23:34.17 | prpplague | guess i just need to shoot for two 1mb chips |
| 23:34.36 | prpplague | and go with a total of 2 |
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