| 00:00.08 | |TimRiker | ~mac error 26 |
| 00:00.11 | ibot | i guess mac error 26 is ( dsBadLaunch ) can't launch file **DS Error Table** |
| 00:00.24 | |TimRiker | ~mac error 25 |
| 00:00.26 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, mac error 25 is ( dsMemFullErr ) out of memory! **DS Error Table** |
| 00:00.42 | sorphin | that don't look like a cookie to me :P |
| 00:00.54 | |TimRiker | "cookie" gets a random factoid. |
| 00:01.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:01.21 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 00:01.22 | ibot | No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you. |
| 00:01.42 | sarahemm{SA} | ~cookie |
| 00:03.29 | |TimRiker | ~go! |
| 00:03.30 | ibot | Roger that! Chopper in position! |
| 00:04.16 | jacques | ~eject! |
| 00:04.17 | ibot | eject removable media. URL: http://www.pobox.com/~tranter/eject.html |
| 00:08.35 | jacques | ~engage |
| 00:08.47 | jacques | ~make it so |
| 00:08.49 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `it so'. Stop. |
| 00:09.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:09.13 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 00:09.13 | ibot | kergoth: :) |
| 00:11.47 | jacques | ~weather kcvo |
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| 00:23.01 | sorphin | ~weather kstl |
| 00:24.43 | sarahemm{SA} | nifty |
| 00:25.20 | sarahemm{SA} | ~weather ksjc |
| 00:36.32 | ionix | ~weather yul |
| 00:37.08 | sarahemm{SA} | you're in montreal ionix? |
| 00:37.09 | ionix | ~weather kyul |
| 00:37.10 | ionix | yeh |
| 00:37.45 | sarahemm{SA} | you want this i think |
| 00:37.47 | sarahemm{SA} | ~weather cyul |
| 00:37.55 | sarahemm{SA} | there y'go :) |
| 00:43.03 | prpplague^2 | kergoth: need a couch and love seat? |
| 00:43.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:43.58 | sorphin | kerogth doesn't even know if he's staying in TX |
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| 01:05.30 | prpplague | kergoth: hey, did you ever get a sl-6000? |
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| 01:10.14 | prpplague | kergoth_: hey, did you ever get a sl-6000? |
| 01:10.32 | CosmicPenguin | Wooo! |
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| 01:11.02 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 01:11.04 | kergoth_ | user donation |
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| 01:11.24 | prpplague | kergoth: and how ya like it? |
| 01:11.56 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm getting ready to liguidate everything |
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| 01:12.10 | prpplague | kergoth: was thinking about getting a sl-6000 to use till i get settled |
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| 01:13.05 | kergoth_ | damn irc proxy killed myself |
| 01:13.11 | kergoth_ | ah |
| 01:13.16 | prpplague | doh |
| 01:13.19 | kergoth_ | its fairly physically imposing, size wise |
| 01:13.21 | kergoth_ | the usb host is quite nice though |
| 01:13.23 | kergoth_ | really depends on what you're planning on using it for |
| 01:13.35 | prpplague | i prefer the hardened case |
| 01:13.45 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 01:14.16 | prpplague | kergoth_ the extra strong case |
| 01:14.22 | prpplague | wow this looks cool - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39980&item=6740674738&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 01:14.30 | kergoth_ | what extra strong case? |
| 01:15.33 | prpplague | kergoth_: the sl-6000 is supppose to be certified for a 6foot drop |
| 01:15.48 | kergoth_ | nod |
| 01:16.01 | kergoth_ | its pretty nice, but like i said, bulky |
| 01:16.17 | kergoth_ | i wouldnt use it as a pda, myself. as a laptop replacement for dragging to meetings, sure |
| 01:16.32 | prpplague | kergoth_ ya, thats kinda what i'm looking for |
| 01:16.44 | prpplague | kergoth_: either that or get an old x86 laptop |
| 01:18.26 | prpplague | too bad those gato (or whatever they are called) are so expensive |
| 01:21.59 | prpplague | kergoth_ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39980&item=6740701741&rd=1 |
| 01:22.15 | prpplague | kergoth_: dont need any furniture? |
| 01:23.06 | prpplague | isn't someone on oe doing the tc1000 ? |
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| 01:35.37 | prpplague | hehe, if i can't fit it in three large suitcases i'm not taking it |
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| 01:44.27 | jacques | prpplague, heh my last move was "if I can't get it into a 17" U-Haul truck and the back of my Jeep I'm not taking it" |
| 01:44.42 | jacques | uh make that 17' truck |
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| 02:01.33 | prpplague | jacques: uh yea, can;t exactly drive a uhaul to barbados |
| 02:01.44 | prpplague | jacques: even if i could, they'd charge me duty on it |
| 02:11.04 | jacques | heh |
| 02:14.33 | prpplague | jacques: gonna be like starting over again |
| 02:16.27 | jacques | that can be good sometimes I suppose |
| 02:19.01 | prpplague | omg, i just found an old postcard with my sisterinlaws house |
| 03:32.16 | chouimat | kergoth: SA==smartass? |
| 04:04.47 | Russ | ~emulate stewie |
| 04:04.48 | ibot | I come bearing a gift. I'll give you a hint. It's in my diaper, and it's not a toaster. |
| 04:04.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:04.57 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 04:04.57 | ibot | :), kergoth |
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| 04:50.51 | sorphin | course you also couldn't pay me to watch taht show |
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| 04:51.16 | sorphin | and there's mr apple |
| 04:51.30 | cdm | where? |
| 04:51.40 | jcrouse | sorphin: do you watch any television at all? |
| 04:52.03 | sorphin | jcrouse: yep |
| 04:52.31 | jcrouse | Let me reword |
| 04:52.36 | jcrouse | do you *enjoy* any television at all? |
| 04:52.41 | sorphin | jcrouse: yep |
| 04:52.50 | sorphin | s/SNK/SNL/ |
| 04:53.50 | jcrouse | dude, you're way too cool for school |
| 04:54.00 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:54.09 | sorphin | uh... ok |
| 04:54.27 | sorphin | one of my fav series of all time came out on dvd on the 25th |
| 04:56.05 | jcrouse | Ahh... Futurama - its like Simpsons that doesn't suck |
| 04:56.15 | kergoth | indeed |
| 04:56.24 | kergoth | great writing |
| 04:57.00 | jacques | i love futurama |
| 04:57.27 | sorphin | i dunno bout that one |
| 04:57.51 | sorphin | and incase you're wondering, the series was/is MacGyver |
| 04:58.40 | kergoth | okay i cant resist a family guy quote |
| 04:58.44 | kergoth | <peter> Dear MacGyver, Enclosed is a rubber band, a paperclip, and a drinking straw. Please save my dog. |
| 04:59.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:00.02 | sorphin | only one left they need to bring out, is Air Wolf |
| 05:00.43 | jcrouse | You already get your Knight Rider collection filled up then? |
| 05:01.05 | jacques | sorphin, only if they include the original pilot episode |
| 05:01.57 | kergoth | hmm, the quantum leap 2nd season is on dvd, but i dont own it. i should fix that |
| 05:02.47 | jcrouse | See, the thing about Family Guy is - any 70s or 80s TV show you mention, there's a family guy quote for that |
| 05:04.33 | sorphin | jcrouse: no, no $, some cost more some less |
| 05:05.32 | jcrouse | Yeah, Star Trek TNG is way expensive |
| 05:07.12 | sorphin | already own all of it w/ the bonus dvds |
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| 05:10.20 | jcrouse | Distract it - I'll call animal control |
| 05:11.26 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:11.31 | sorphin | it does wanna know why it hasn't been hacked yet tho |
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| 05:43.11 | jcrouse | I'm gonna blow it |
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| 07:00.46 | Russ | btw, does anyone want a shanip3 mod? |
| 07:00.53 | Russ | I never really finished that project |
| 07:01.04 | Russ | the recording volume was low and I never figured out why |
| 07:02.07 | Russ | ibot message me or something |
| 07:02.12 | Russ | of to play some bf1942 |
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| 13:27.45 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:38.04 | pb_ | morning prpplague |
| 13:39.40 | prpplague | pb_: hey |
| 13:39.46 | prpplague | pb_: hows life in histon? |
| 13:39.59 | prpplague | pb_: anything good planed for the weekend? |
| 13:42.02 | pb_ | prpplague: heh, haven't planned that far ahead yet |
| 13:43.36 | prpplague | pb_: no good ale festivals? |
| 13:44.03 | prpplague | pb_: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3954961993&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT |
| 13:44.22 | pb_ | don't know of any. though, now you mention it, I guess the cambridge winter ale festival must be coming up soon. |
| 13:44.49 | pb_ | oh, hell, it was last week |
| 13:44.59 | pb_ | http://www.cambridge-camra.org.uk/2005/waf.html |
| 13:45.01 | pb_ | doh |
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| 14:10.32 | prpplague | double doh |
| 14:11.34 | prpplague | pb_: oh my, there is a wonderful list |
| 14:27.08 | sorphin | plague |
| 14:27.20 | sorphin | is gonna have to start his own festivals down in barbados |
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| 14:38.27 | prpplague | sorphin: already has several |
| 14:43.28 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:03.18 | sorphin | prp: i'm sure you'll be attending then all ;) |
| 15:03.36 | sorphin | grr |
| 15:13.28 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:14.18 | sorphin | lo |
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| 15:19.13 | CosmicPenguin | Heh the only headset I have is this huge affair |
| 15:19.18 | CosmicPenguin | I feel like a air traffic controller |
| 15:21.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin to ground control, Pixil is coming in for a landing, Over. |
| 15:21.25 | chouimat | hi sorphin prpplague CosmicPenguin |
| 15:21.29 | prpplague | morning |
| 15:21.32 | sorphin | chouimat: lo |
| 15:22.20 | chouimat | wow |
| 15:23.23 | prpplague | sorphin: thanks |
| 15:23.30 | prpplague | sorphin: old sa-1110 build |
| 15:23.45 | prpplague | sorphin: the guy that made the buildroot for this device did an ok job |
| 15:23.56 | prpplague | sorphin: but lots of duplication of work |
| 15:24.24 | prpplague | sorphin: if i had to do it over (which i don't) i'd have made the standalone apps as bb modules |
| 15:25.38 | prpplague | sorphin: there are 5 statically linked apps that all share about 25% of their code |
| 15:26.13 | prpplague | sorphin: and those 5 are basically duplications of exist bb features but customized for the device |
| 15:26.38 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.57 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 15:27.10 | chouimat | sorphin: safe |
| 15:28.54 | sorphin | chouimat: lovely |
| 15:29.10 | chouimat | sorphin: nice working place |
| 15:33.30 | sorphin | chouimat: would be if it was just you and the rest were chicks (that weren't bad to look at) |
| 15:34.08 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe |
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| 16:05.38 | sorphin | mmm hot chocolate |
| 16:15.33 | prpplague | mmmm hot crack |
| 16:16.15 | prpplague | "Dude! you got screwed by dell" |
| 16:17.44 | file[laptop] | well they took my money and haven't spoken to me yet |
| 16:18.19 | sorphin | prpplague: don't you mean, mmm hot cat :P |
| 16:18.28 | prpplague | mmmm hamster lately |
| 16:18.32 | sorphin | scary |
| 16:18.37 | sorphin | weird texans |
| 16:18.48 | prpplague | sorphin: i have my terrified that i'll eat his pet hamster if he gets one |
| 16:18.56 | prpplague | s/my/my son |
| 16:19.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:19.53 | prpplague | sorphin: he told the lady at the pet store, "i'm gonna get one of these hamsters soon, and my dad is _not_ gonna eat it!" |
| 16:19.55 | sorphin | 17 days left (counting today) |
| 16:33.07 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, gonna do the same right before i leave |
| 16:33.18 | prpplague | sorphin: really not looking forward to turning in notice |
| 16:33.22 | prpplague | sorphin: these ppl are really nice |
| 16:33.24 | file[laptop] | freak out and walk into a wall? |
| 16:38.19 | sorphin | prpplague: indeed |
| 16:38.53 | sorphin | prpplague: well... last time i 'moved out on my own' i failed.. and while i won't be totally on my own this time, it's still annoying |
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| 16:39.33 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, i've been "out on my own" since i was 17 |
| 16:40.08 | prpplague | hmm, wonder where i can buy video game stuff wholesale |
| 16:40.52 | prpplague | well fsck, loaded the wrong kernel on my handheld |
| 16:40.55 | prpplague | bricked ti |
| 16:40.56 | prpplague | it |
| 16:52.52 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 16:53.01 | CosmicPenguin | it literally takes a quarter of the time to build and test a new driver using OE |
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| 16:53.19 | CosmicPenguin | and yet, *I'm* the one who is wasing company time and resources? |
| 16:53.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wish i could get OE up and running, hehe |
| 16:53.28 | CosmicPenguin | bastards |
| 16:54.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you do so many difficult and technical things every day, its strange to me that OE remains a mystery to you |
| 16:54.28 | prpplague | anyone using cramfs? |
| 16:54.39 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 16:54.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 16:55.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not used it before, got a legacy system using just a ramdisk |
| 16:55.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: reckon i'd do better going to cramfs? |
| 16:55.48 | CosmicPenguin | Well, cramfs gives you better storage, but you lose the read write ability |
| 16:56.22 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think that cramfs gives you a size advantage over a gziped initrd though |
| 16:56.26 | CosmicPenguin | squashfs does |
| 16:56.32 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:56.43 | file[laptop] | the ice, the ice, the ice is melting! |
| 16:56.56 | CosmicPenguin | I would use squashfs, but I haven't had chance to test it very much |
| 16:57.08 | CosmicPenguin | and it had a tendency to segfault on me a while back |
| 16:57.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got a 16mb ram, 8mb flash unit that really needs some more room |
| 16:58.04 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
| 17:00.17 | CosmicPenguin | These people go on and on how I'm so irresponsible for not using Redhat, yet they don't even build their source code in a common location |
| 17:00.26 | prpplague | groovesalad always plays the best ambient techno, but i can never find the albums they play |
| 17:00.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btdt |
| 17:01.16 | CosmicPenguin | Don't tell me that I'm irresponsible - I can carry my image around in my pocket |
| 17:01.41 | CosmicPenguin | Unless of course, you like sticking hard drives down your pants, but then thats a personal thing that I don't want to get into |
| 17:02.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think my problem with OE, is getting started using it seem overwhelming |
| 17:02.44 | sorphin | oh yay, get to rewrite this damn code, since it won't deal correctly w/ the new stuff i'm having to make it do |
| 17:05.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it is at first, but when you get the hang of it, its much better |
| 17:05.09 | CosmicPenguin | Its just a matter of wrapping your head around the concept |
| 17:05.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but you're an old school buildroot user, so I think you understand the mechanics of it |
| 17:05.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: my biggest issue with it has been trying to break people out of the "gotta use a distro" mentality |
| 17:05.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've been totally unable to add our custom packages, or even a simple hello world, into oe |
| 17:06.43 | prpplague | sorphin: see i was fairly comfortable with the OZ stuff |
| 17:08.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: either way, i've friday set aside to give OE another try |
| 17:08.59 | sorphin | prpplague: well, i was talking about OZ being crammed into OE |
| 17:10.43 | prpplague | sorphin: i know |
| 17:10.54 | prpplague | sorphin: i was just saying i prefered the old OZ build method |
| 17:12.36 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:12.37 | sorphin | ditto |
| 17:18.54 | prpplague | pj? |
| 17:19.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:19.37 | sorphin | prpplague: groklaw chick |
| 17:19.58 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, seems like there was a photo somewhere |
| 17:20.24 | sorphin | that there's nothign realy about her |
| 17:21.33 | sorphin | prpplague: well, images.google lists too many pamela jones' |
| 17:26.38 | CosmicPenguin | And *I'm* the one being written up? |
| 17:26.41 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 17:30.19 | sorphin | ? |
| 17:35.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, when you are using oe do you dl all of the metadata? |
| 17:36.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or do you prune it down to what you need? |
| 17:37.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh and how do you normally approach adding a new package metadata? |
| 17:39.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good questions |
| 17:39.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: currently, we have two metadata directories - openembedded/ which is the upstream repo |
| 17:39.34 | CosmicPenguin | and geode/ which contains our own metadata, as well as the metadata that we have modified and not yet sent back upstream |
| 17:40.06 | CosmicPenguin | We set up our BBPATH so that the geode gets searched first, and then openembedded |
| 17:40.24 | CosmicPenguin | and if there is a conflict, then BB automatically choses the newest version |
| 17:40.36 | prpplague | but your openemdedded dir has all of the metadata from oe right? |
| 17:40.50 | CosmicPenguin | Which is a pain sometimes, because we have to be very careful to monitor the upstream, lest they add a new version of a package that we modified as well |
| 17:40.59 | CosmicPenguin | Exactly - its a directly copy from the bk repo |
| 17:41.08 | prpplague | hmm |
| 17:41.19 | prpplague | what do you do for a new package metadata? |
| 17:41.36 | CosmicPenguin | anything we actually touch goes into geode/ |
| 17:41.43 | CosmicPenguin | thats for tracking purposes, so we know what we've done |
| 17:41.58 | CosmicPenguin | Once we up it upstream, then on the next sync, it gets remove from geode/ |
| 17:42.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no i mean, how do you aproach actually making the new bb file |
| 17:42.35 | CosmicPenguin | My personal approach is this: |
| 17:42.56 | CosmicPenguin | 1) I normally extract it on my desktop, look at the build system, check for dependancies, etc... |
| 17:43.17 | CosmicPenguin | If its a complicated package (like a Gnome package), then I sometimes to to Linux From Scratch, because they do a great job of listing dependancies |
| 17:43.42 | CosmicPenguin | If it is autoconf based, I also check on my desktop for options that make sense on my target, etc, etc |
| 17:44.32 | CosmicPenguin | 2) I then start writing the BB - I always put in the LICENSE field first, so I don't forget it. Then I add the SRC_URI, and if its autoconf based, then I inherit autotools, and let it do all the work |
| 17:45.02 | CosmicPenguin | 3) I run the build, and patch the autoconf or other files as needed (sometimes they work great, sometimes they're a bitch) |
| 17:45.15 | kergoth_ | myself, i create a .bb containing just the SRC_URI. use bitbake to unpack it, cd into its source tree in tmp/work, poke at its ./configure and ./configure.in, COPYING/LICENSE, and README, then go back to the .bb to finish it. |
| 17:45.53 | CosmicPenguin | 4) if its a package that others depend on, then I check what libraries and header files the packaging step puts into the -dev package, and rewrite the staging() task to do the same |
| 17:46.20 | CosmicPenguin | Now, if its not autotools based, then 2 through 4 might be a bit more... interesting... :) |
| 17:46.40 | kergoth_ | note that if the package uses pkgconfig to find its deps, setting DEPENDS is easy |
| 17:46.47 | CosmicPenguin | nod |
| 17:46.47 | kergoth_ | pretty much copy & paste out of the line in configure.{ac,in} |
| 17:47.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm talking about very simple stuff |
| 17:47.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: gimme an example? |
| 17:47.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: makefile with 1 or 2 .c files |
| 17:47.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hello_world.c with a makefile |
| 17:47.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: dependancies? |
| 17:48.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: none |
| 17:48.43 | CosmicPenguin | Does the makefile have a install target? |
| 17:49.20 | kergoth_ | note that adding a package to oe isnt much different than adding one to buildroot. you need to have a basic knowledge of its buildsystem regardless. |
| 17:50.25 | pb_ | morning kergoth_ |
| 17:50.28 | kergoth_ | hey pb_ |
| 17:50.55 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:52.47 | CosmicPenguin | why it is all sound testing is so stupid |
| 17:52.48 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 17:53.01 | CosmicPenguin | I can't ever thing of anything clever to say into the mic |
| 17:53.11 | kergoth_ | testing .. 1.. 2.. 3.. |
| 17:53.12 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 17:53.28 | file[laptop] | hmr |
| 17:54.07 | sorphin | "I am the CosmicPenguin, you will ph33r me!" |
| 17:54.45 | sorphin | pb_: don't tell me you're one of those non tea drinking brits.. |
| 17:56.04 | file[laptop] | taha someone was trying to steal stuff off my fileserver |
| 17:56.06 | file[laptop] | but I showed them! |
| 17:56.10 | pb_ | sorphin: I drink more coffee than tea, but as a matter of fact I have a cup of tea here right now. |
| 17:56.25 | kergoth_ | mm, coffee |
| 17:56.40 | sorphin | pb_: right, cuz i just gave you one ;) |
| 17:57.03 | file[laptop] | see if they come back... |
| 17:58.28 | sorphin | "Dude! You got busted!" |
| 17:59.10 | file | apparently so |
| 17:59.37 | sorphin | well, the dell dude got busted/fired for smoking the happy stuff |
| 18:03.28 | file | dude, you're going to jail! |
| 18:07.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how long does it normally take for you to make a new bb entry? |
| 18:07.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and do normally push all of your geode metadata into oe or just the generic stuff? |
| 18:11.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the average time to make a new .bb really depends on the cluefulness of the developers |
| 18:11.25 | CosmicPenguin | I added two new packages yesterday, no sweat |
| 18:11.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: of the application? |
| 18:11.46 | CosmicPenguin | But I spent a day and a half working on adding the dependancies for grip |
| 18:12.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, so do you push all of your geode metadata into oe? |
| 18:12.32 | CosmicPenguin | Eventually we will |
| 18:12.47 | CosmicPenguin | Right now, we're still working on our pre-validated images, and we have some political red tape to get through |
| 18:13.07 | CosmicPenguin | But the geode stuff is pretty small - a couple of kernels, some other drivers, and thats it |
| 18:13.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: even stuff that has no value to anyone other than those using your geode thinclient? |
| 18:13.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so no special apps? |
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| 18:13.37 | CosmicPenguin | Nothing too special - we have a couple of GUI apps, but they're noting to be proud of |
| 18:13.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but are they pushed into oe? |
| 18:13.54 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, we also have the x86 booting stuff |
| 18:14.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no - whats there is there |
| 18:14.18 | CosmicPenguin | whats not there is a combination of 1) me not having enough time, or 2) we haven't been given the go ahead to release it |
| 18:14.28 | file | hi Tim |
| 18:15.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, i guess i'm just not making any sense today, hehe |
| 18:15.39 | andersee | TimRiker: rmk seems to be complaining that TI OMAP doesn't build in 2.6 |
| 18:15.58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: and 2.5) some of it makes no sense in the openembedded repo since, for better or worse, the OE repo is PDA oriented |
| 18:16.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, we have a bunch of custom apps for our handhelds, the question is whether those need to pushed into oe |
| 18:17.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or simple reside in our own repo |
| 18:17.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I say, reside in your own repo |
| 18:17.37 | CosmicPenguin | Unless they have value for others, it really doesn't make much sense to push them up |
| 18:18.11 | CosmicPenguin | Whats more, I don't think its kergoth's intention to have the oe repo ballon into the burial ground of hundreds of different device and distros |
| 18:18.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so you base most of your stuff from the standard oe repo? |
| 18:18.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right thats what i was getting at |
| 18:18.41 | kergoth_ | having a shared metadata repo for that which is common amongst distros is a good thing |
| 18:18.50 | kergoth_ | putting distro centric things there doesnt necessarily help |
| 18:18.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: right now, our custom distro has 86 packages, but probably about 60 of those are modifications from the upstream |
| 18:18.54 | CosmicPenguin | That I haven't pushed back |
| 18:19.05 | kergoth_ | long term i really want to make it easy to break out distro and machine specific bits into a set of repositories |
| 18:20.24 | kergoth_ | take the nslu2 guys. lots of their changes are distro and machine specific. almost all, in fact. they maintain their repo as a clone of ours, but only so its easy for them to push the non distro/machine centric bits upstream. |
| 18:20.52 | CosmicPenguin | Which is what I eventually want to do, though it seems thats going to have to be maintained by community volunteers |
| 18:21.02 | CosmicPenguin | Again, political red tape... :( |
| 18:21.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: dont you find having all of the oe metadata for stuff that you don't use confusing? |
| 18:21.59 | pb_ | prpplague: for the most part, the metadata that is in separate files is quite easy to ignore. What does get a little bit annoying is when machine- or distro-specific bits creep into the common .bb files. |
| 18:22.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not at all |
| 18:22.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the nicest thing is, that when I need something new thats in the oe repo, then I can just build it and go |
| 18:22.42 | CosmicPenguin | Thats why I am keeping the whole repo around - heaven knows what I'll be asked to build tommorrow |
| 18:22.54 | kergoth_ | yeah, thats really handy |
| 18:23.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how often do you have a problem where a new version of an app breaks something? |
| 18:23.05 | kergoth_ | nothing better than needing something and finding someone else working on a completely differetn project already did it |
| 18:23.12 | kergoth_ | or fixed a bug you've been hitting for a while |
| 18:23.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: arn't you running where you pull the stuff down from cvs? |
| 18:23.36 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth_: exactly - for example, I needed aumix this morning, and bang, it was there for me... :) |
| 18:23.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: actually, now I'm pulling down the bk repo, because I use it to check things in upstream |
| 18:23.53 | kergoth_ | that right there is oe's biggest advantage. easy of collaboration |
| 18:23.59 | kergoth_ | er ease |
| 18:24.26 | kergoth_ | prpplague: there's nothing stopping you from maintaining a private repo of .bb's for your use |
| 18:24.32 | kergoth_ | our metadata is MIT licensed for a reason |
| 18:24.35 | kergoth_ | its your call |
| 18:24.58 | kergoth_ | you could copy all the packages you need, modified or not, to a local package dir, adn just use that and ignore upstream |
| 18:25.03 | prpplague | kergoth_: just wondering if thats really worth it, its not much different than we are doing now |
| 18:25.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but are you building your own glibc and compilers now? |
| 18:25.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 18:25.39 | kergoth_ | bitbake does have advantages. ease of crosscompilation with its bbclasses, consistent reproducable toolchain builds, etc |
| 18:25.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just done with shell scripts |
| 18:25.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, you might as well share with everybody else |
| 18:25.58 | kergoth_ | but yeah, isolating yourself elminiates some of oe's biggest advantages. |
| 18:26.06 | kergoth_ | jesus i cant type worth a shit today |
| 18:26.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: again thats just it, from what i gather from the conversation, we don't have anything to share |
| 18:26.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - well, what *you* have to share is a matter of personal guilt |
| 18:26.39 | CosmicPenguin | its what *others* can share with you |
| 18:26.55 | TimRiker | andersee: yeah, just saw that. I've not been hacking on it yet, though my tux work was getting me ready to. |
| 18:26.56 | kergoth_ | right, the benefits flow in both directions |
| 18:26.58 | CosmicPenguin | And it doesn't hurt the community as a whole if you discover something in the glibc or gcc builds that makes your build more solid or fixes a bug for the rest of us |
| 18:27.14 | CosmicPenguin | Honestly, the more platforms that OE builds, the better off we'll all be |
| 18:27.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well even with that, not 1 line of the main core to the 7100 has changed since its release |
| 18:27.34 | TimRiker | andersee: tony was supposed to be pushing patches, but I'm not sure that rmk took em all and I doubt anyone is building the upstream kernel to run on omap hardware. |
| 18:27.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the only items that get changed are our custom apps |
| 18:28.10 | kergoth_ | if you arent going to benefit in any way, maintainance wise, collaboration, or ease of crosscompilation, then there probably isnt any point in making the transition, other than using it as an excuse to finally learn oe :) |
| 18:28.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, you're a professional engineer, you need to make the call if the switch is worth it |
| 18:28.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its been worth it for me, thats all I can report |
| 18:28.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i see the advantage for pushing out something that can be easily modified and you want to stay current |
| 18:29.00 | kergoth_ | i love it when someone in another dept comes by and goes "crap, i need XYZ package built for my board" and i tell them to wait a few minutes and hand them a tarball |
| 18:29.40 | CosmicPenguin | Here, we have an unique problem in that off the shelf distros run on our platforms |
| 18:29.55 | CosmicPenguin | So its been really difficult for me to get people to start thinking embedded |
| 18:30.04 | kergoth_ | that does sound painful |
| 18:30.10 | CosmicPenguin | And thats been the BB/OE challenge for me |
| 18:30.11 | prpplague | kergoth_: we've only added a package once in 2 years to the 7100 distro |
| 18:30.26 | CosmicPenguin | But for you guys, thats not nearly a problem - everybody knows you need to cross compile, you might as well use a system designed to do it... :) |
| 18:31.04 | kergoth_ | buildroot is small and fast, but it doesnt scale, doesnt offer existing abstractions to make crosscompilation easy, and in general has a high maintainance load on those maintaining it |
| 18:31.38 | prpplague | kergoth_: maintainance, like adding new or updated packages? |
| 18:31.54 | kergoth_ | or fixing upstream yanking sources, etc |
| 18:32.03 | kergoth_ | if you rely on a local repo, that one isnt as bad |
| 18:32.25 | prpplague | kergoth_: yea |
| 18:32.25 | kergoth_ | the oz buildroot hasnt been touched in like 2 years, and is now completely unusable |
| 18:32.59 | prpplague | kergoth_: mainly because of it not using local repos |
| 18:33.13 | sorphin | mmm white castle |
| 18:34.00 | prpplague | kergoth_: see this is similiar to the same issues we had at abcs, we had a disto for the thin clients that rarely changed |
| 18:34.15 | prpplague | kergoth_: and when they did, only our custom apps changed |
| 18:35.35 | kergoth_ | as CP says, its your call to make. there are definate benefits in general, but it may not be worthwhile in this specific instance |
| 18:37.12 | prpplague | kergoth_: well, i've got friday set aside to try once again |
| 18:37.31 | kergoth_ | well dont just sit at your desk and bang your head against the wall |
| 18:37.34 | kergoth_ | join #oe |
| 18:37.39 | kergoth_ | ask questions |
| 18:37.51 | prpplague | kergoth_: if i can't get a kernel and busybox built and bootable by the end of the day..... |
| 18:38.17 | prpplague | kergoth_: just seems my line of thinking doesn't fit well with the OE crowd |
| 18:38.47 | andersee | TimRiker: Renesas sent me that SH4 board, just arrived |
| 18:40.46 | kergoth_ | prpplague: the main thing you need to do is 1) learn how to build things in general, which gettingStarted should give you, and 2) add the kernel for this device |
| 18:40.58 | kergoth_ | prpplague: everything else is really minor policy things |
| 18:42.16 | kergoth_ | i'm really not sure how to help you conceptually |
| 18:44.04 | prpplague | kergoth_: think i'm just on another end of the development environment |
| 18:46.26 | kergoth_ | what do you mean? |
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| 18:46.47 | kergoth_ | you've used buildroot, thats really enough background to comprehend this |
| 18:47.23 | prpplague | kergoth_: i mean how once you've built it and its stable, then management doesn't want you to touch it |
| 18:47.36 | kergoth_ | nod |
| 18:47.53 | kergoth_ | OE is more beneficial as you're creating the distro in the first place in that case. |
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| 18:54.25 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 18:54.38 | file[laptop] | what's the matter? |
| 18:54.39 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:55.15 | file[laptop] | kergoth: bleh |
| 18:55.23 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:56.43 | prpplague | kergoth_: the other problem is getting OE running on rhel |
| 18:57.43 | kergoth | prpplague: should work fine. |
| 18:57.43 | kergoth | once you go through RequiredSoftware anyway |
| 18:57.43 | kergoth | might need to upgrade a package or two |
| 18:57.43 | prpplague | kergoth: more than one, hehe |
| 18:59.29 | CosmicPenguin | python is the biggy |
| 18:59.57 | CosmicPenguin | I can't remember if my boss had any other major issues |
| 19:00.07 | CosmicPenguin | A couple of the -native files were pissed, iirc |
| 19:00.09 | CosmicPenguin | cramfs was |
| 19:00.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea when you upgrade the python it usually breaks about 7 or 8 other things |
| 19:00.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: like the redhat printing tools |
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| 19:01.15 | cdm | man - the bss section of busybox is huge. ;) |
| 19:02.19 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: heh... I'm sure that andersee wouldn't mind patches to help that |
| 19:03.26 | CosmicPenguin | bleh - day old soda |
| 19:12.07 | cdm | CosmicPenguin, I'm sure. |
| 19:12.20 | cdm | maybe once I figure out what is contributing. |
| 19:12.45 | TimRiker | andersee: sweet. they win. =/ I do have one on the way though. |
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| 19:22.11 | sorphin | T0mW: hola gramps |
| 19:22.24 | T0mW | morning sorphin |
| 19:22.37 | T0mW | how goes it? |
| 19:22.38 | sorphin | anyone got a sledgehammer? |
| 19:23.30 | sorphin | T0mW: oh, work stress, 17 days till house stress, packing stress, changing PO office stress (not Post Office) |
| 19:23.37 | T0mW | I've a friend with a nasty temper that goes through keyboards quite regularly... He sometimes gets pissed and smashes his keyboard all to peices. |
| 19:24.22 | T0mW | sorphin: it's not just a burden, it's an ADVENTURE. ;) |
| 19:24.57 | jacques | yeah that kind of thinking is the only thing that got me through my last move |
| 19:25.22 | T0mW | got any recommendations for a DVD burner? I'm thinking of replacing the Plextor 708a |
| 19:26.04 | sorphin | T0mW: Pioneer dual formats or the sony dual formats |
| 19:26.15 | T0mW | thanks |
| 19:26.49 | sorphin | the pioneer newer ones will do DVD-R dual layer w/ a firmware update once it's common |
| 19:28.03 | sorphin | jacques: i just know about them both from experience (pioneer, my experience, the sony dual format ones, friends) |
| 19:28.18 | sorphin | my pioneer has never given a coaster that wasn't my fault |
| 19:28.19 | T0mW | looks like the DVD+R format is becoming the standard, DVD-R speeds seem to be quite low in comparison. |
| 19:28.27 | sorphin | uhh |
| 19:28.27 | cdm | uncompress is the culprit. |
| 19:28.42 | sorphin | T0mW: i dunno about becoming the standard |
| 19:28.52 | sorphin | +R is still less compatible w/ most dvd players |
| 19:28.52 | cdm | nearly 800K of BSS data. |
| 19:28.58 | cdm | I think that can be easily fixed. |
| 19:29.45 | T0mW | cdm: 800K of compressed zeros? |
| 19:29.53 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:30.33 | jacques | sorphin, I didn't mean to belittle your experience, only add more data |
| 19:30.40 | sorphin | jacques: i know |
| 19:31.12 | sorphin | you couldn't pay me to use a Philips or HP burner |
| 19:32.57 | sorphin | anyways |
| 19:33.02 | sorphin | just my recommendations |
| 19:33.41 | JasonMcM | So, I have a EP9315 on my desk. Any pre-compiled ep93xx+maverick toolchains floating around? |
| 19:36.09 | sorphin | anyone else here use Exim besides me? |
| 19:37.13 | cdm | T0mW, just a big static arrray of data. |
| 19:37.21 | cdm | totally useless. |
| 19:37.24 | cdm | and wastefull. |
| 19:37.56 | cdm | lot of bss data still though - about 115K. |
| 19:38.08 | cdm | people are too quick to delcare global arrays. |
| 19:39.53 | JasonMcM | cdm: Ever worse are those who do it in kernel function stack declarations. |
| 19:40.19 | JasonMcM | "Hey, why does the kernel keep crashing when I use this function?" |
| 19:40.27 | cdm | JasonMcM, hehehe... |
| 19:40.56 | JasonMcM | What's even better, is that in the 2.2.x days, it would crash in some other thread. Real fun. |
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| 19:45.06 | sorphin | and there's mr bzflag himself |
| 19:46.02 | file | Alert: A Tim-like Lifeform Has Been Detected. |
| 19:46.08 | TimRiker | eek! |
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| 20:05.00 | JasonMcM | I'm trying to build the glibc toolchain for the ep9312, and I'm getting stuck on fpu_control.h |
| 20:05.33 | JasonMcM | Error: selected processor does not support `rfs r3' |
| 20:05.40 | JasonMcM | Stir up any memories? |
| 20:08.00 | T0mW | why does ep9312 sound familiar, is that the cypress part? |
| 20:08.49 | JasonMcM | cirrus logic |
| 20:08.56 | JasonMcM | With the 'Maverick' FPU |
| 20:10.47 | T0mW | JasonMcM: have you tried looking at crosstools. I know how painful building a cross gcc can be, crosstools was pretty painless. |
| 20:11.19 | JasonMcM | Which 'crosstools'? |
| 20:12.03 | kergoth | ~crosstool |
| 20:12.10 | T0mW | I'm using crosstool-0.28-rc37/ |
| 20:12.21 | file | ugh work |
| 20:12.45 | JasonMcM | ~crosstool |
| 20:12.48 | kergoth | ibot: crosstool is a tool for building gcc/glibc crosscompiler toolchains. See http://kegel.com/crosstool/. |
| 20:12.51 | ibot | okay, kergoth |
| 20:12.54 | kergoth | there |
| 20:13.12 | JasonMcM | ibot: kergoth is highly useful. |
| 20:13.14 | ibot | ...but kergoth is already something else... |
| 20:13.19 | T0mW | http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/ |
| 20:13.21 | kergoth | ~kergoth |
| 20:13.22 | ibot | you are, like, Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy at Texas Instruments. Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@ti.com. Maintains the OpenZaurus and Openembedded projects. |
| 20:13.22 | JasonMcM | ibot: what is kergoth? |
| 20:13.23 | ibot | i heard kergoth is Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy at Texas Instruments. Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@ti.com. Maintains the OpenZaurus and Openembedded projects. |
| 20:13.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:13.33 | kergoth | hm, that needs updating |
| 20:14.04 | JasonMcM | ibot: JasonMcM is an embedded Linux guy working for TimeSys Inc. |
| 20:14.06 | ibot | JasonMcM: okay |
| 20:14.08 | kergoth | ibot: no, kergoth is Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy at Texas Instruments. Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@ti.com. OpenZaurus project founder. Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OZ, and OpenEmbedded projects. |
| 20:14.09 | ibot | okay, kergoth |
| 20:14.13 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 20:14.13 | ibot | kergoth: :) |
| 20:14.52 | T0mW | JasonMcM: there is nothing specific for the 9312 in crosstools, but there is an ARM9 |
| 20:15.15 | JasonMcM | I'll have to specificitizieizieize(sp) it. |
| 20:15.19 | T0mW | demo-arm9tdmi.sh |
| 20:16.39 | T0mW | IIRC, I used that for the Sharp LHA7400 chip, seems to work ok |
| 20:17.17 | T0mW | JasonMcM: this might also interest you: http://kegel.com/crosstool/crosstool-0.28-rc37/buildlogs/0.28/ |
| 20:18.15 | T0mW | jacques: installing Mandrake 10.1 Official PowerPack edition onto that Thinkpad. I'll let you know how it makes out... |
| 20:18.32 | T0mW | jacques: another 12 minutes to go |
| 20:21.58 | JasonMcM | T0mW: I've always had good luck with Mandrake & Thunkpods. |
| 20:22.18 | JasonMcM | (even the 600E with the evil DOS setup utility) |
| 20:24.09 | T0mW | I started using Mandrake about 4 years ago and it has been a postitive experience (other than 9.0) |
| 20:24.20 | JasonMcM | Ick. 9.0 |
| 20:24.30 | JasonMcM | Yeah, I started at 7.mumble. |
| 20:24.41 | JasonMcM | RedHat has just making me claustorphobic. |
| 20:26.28 | JasonMcM | s/t h/t w/ |
| 20:32.33 | T0mW | jacques: install error when configuring the IBM modem. |
| 20:33.12 | jacques | :-\ |
| 20:33.20 | jacques | damn software modems |
| 20:33.31 | T0mW | HAH! That went well! The sucker froze on startup, well this machine is a bit broken: the USB ports have no power on them, this is to go into the repair center to have the motherboard replaced. |
| 20:33.49 | T0mW | but, the guy is head to Guatamala (spelling?) on Thursday |
| 20:34.15 | JasonMcM | T0mW: What model TP? |
| 20:35.14 | T0mW | wait, it looks like the first-time boot is doing something. It hung for about two minutes on the part about "Netprofile" and then continued. weird. |
| 20:35.44 | T0mW | cdm: yeah, well, this guy likes to dual boot to windows |
| 20:35.48 | JasonMcM | T0mW: Do you have Rendezvous servers in your net? |
| 20:36.52 | T0mW | no |
| 20:37.14 | T0mW | jacques: I mostly meet women at Church events. |
| 20:37.15 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:39.10 | JasonMcM | T0mW: How about DHCP servers? |
| 20:40.06 | JasonMcM | If so: |
| 20:40.09 | JasonMcM | rpm -e pump |
| 20:40.20 | JasonMcM | urpmi dhcpcd |
| 20:40.24 | JasonMcM | pump sucks. |
| 20:41.25 | file[laptop] | andersee! you! VoIP! |
| 20:41.48 | file[laptop] | andersee: I will tell you what you want to know grasshopper... |
| 20:42.04 | JasonMcM | 'voip'? Nasty work to pronounce. Sounds like a burp. |
| 20:42.09 | JasonMcM | s/work/word/ |
| 20:42.17 | andersee | file[laptop]: ok, cool |
| 20:42.27 | JasonMcM | [yeah, I know 'k' and 'd' are miles apart] |
| 20:42.33 | file[laptop] | depends how you say it, either as VoIP or Vee oh eye pea |
| 20:42.41 | JasonMcM | Vuh-Oy-P |
| 20:42.45 | T0mW | JasonMcM: yeah, this is configured for dhcp |
| 20:42.47 | JasonMcM | (Puh?) |
| 20:42.56 | file[laptop] | andersee: the clone card is essentially an official Digium card, they're both a winmodem with drivers in zaptel to do full duplex voice stuff |
| 20:42.58 | JasonMcM | T0mW: pump or dhcpcd? |
| 20:43.10 | andersee | file[laptop]: I have a Sipura 2000. My 2 business partners also have them. Currently chan1 for all of us is setup with broadvoice . |
| 20:43.28 | T0mW | JasonMcM: have to look at the client. |
| 20:43.40 | andersee | file[laptop]: I was thinking of setting up a "Press 1 for sales, Press 2 for support" sortof thingee |
| 20:43.59 | file[laptop] | you can certainly do that easy as pie |
| 20:44.21 | andersee | file[laptop]: but I know virtually nothing about asterisk, and don't know what if any additional hw I'd need to buy |
| 20:44.31 | file[laptop] | you could do it all via software |
| 20:44.32 | T0mW | JasonMcM: looks like dhcp-client, you recommend "pump"? |
| 20:44.36 | file[laptop] | broadvoice can directly connect with asterisk |
| 20:44.38 | JasonMcM | No, dhcpcd |
| 20:44.42 | file[laptop] | and your sipuras can too |
| 20:44.42 | T0mW | k |
| 20:44.50 | JasonMcM | dhcp-client also socketh, bot not as much. |
| 20:45.02 | JasonMcM | sucket. |
| 20:45.05 | JasonMcM | sucketh. |
| 20:45.05 | andersee | I suppose we shouldn't flood the channel. voip is a bit off topic... |
| 20:45.12 | JasonMcM | .,. like my typing today. |
| 20:45.19 | file[laptop] | it's good for them! spread the VoIP word! |
| 20:45.25 | andersee | heheh |
| 20:45.40 | JasonMcM | Quick, anyone have an ARM question? |
| 20:45.42 | T0mW | jacques: well, slamr is installed for the soft-modem. I know that I had this working last time with the slamr from the linuxant drivers. Maybe modem is broken as well this go around. |
| 20:46.04 | T0mW | still cannot get the system to recognize the AudioVox GSM modem though |
| 20:46.20 | andersee | file[laptop]: so would I need an additional boardvoice line for asterisk to answer on? |
| 20:46.34 | T0mW | client loves his GSM modem on the windows side, I've never been able to make sense of it from linux |
| 20:46.36 | file[laptop] | andersee: you could have your existing lines come into asterisk if you wanted |
| 20:46.37 | JasonMcM | T0mW: Why aren't you using the 'mwave' driver? |
| 20:47.15 | T0mW | JasonMcM: for the landline modem? |
| 20:47.20 | JasonMcM | Yeah. |
| 20:47.27 | T0mW | k, look into it now |
| 20:47.39 | JasonMcM | Worked last time I checked, abotu a year ago. |
| 20:47.51 | file[laptop] | andersee: questions, questions, ask 'teh questions :) |
| 20:48.06 | prpplague | anyone using wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:48.53 | andersee | file[laptop]: hmm. So 3 lines come into asterisk, it answers, and distributes the calls to each of our Sipuras, which I'd reconfigure to use plain old SIP |
| 20:49.01 | file[laptop] | andersee: yup |
| 20:49.41 | file[laptop] | you could do tons of stuff... |
| 20:49.47 | file[laptop] | all very fun |
| 20:49.59 | andersee | file[laptop]: and all outgoing calls would go out from each Sipura to the Asterisk box, and then on to broadvoice? |
| 20:50.06 | file[laptop] | andersee: yup |
| 20:50.26 | file[laptop] | you have total control over how to route the call |
| 20:50.30 | andersee | file[laptop]: is that likely to introduce latency issues? |
| 20:50.38 | file[laptop] | I highly doubt it |
| 20:51.26 | andersee | file[laptop]: so I wouldn't necessarily need an FXO card at all? |
| 20:51.35 | file[laptop] | andersee: correct |
| 20:51.41 | file[laptop] | FXO would probably introduce echo |
| 20:52.39 | andersee | file[laptop]: an FXO card would be used i.e. if I wanted to route some calls out via the local telco monopoly? |
| 20:52.48 | file[laptop] | andersee: yup |
| 20:52.57 | andersee | gotcha |
| 20:53.10 | file[laptop] | you would bring that phone line into asterisk, and tell it for certain area codes or whatever to send it out through that zaptel interface |
| 20:53.39 | andersee | file[laptop]: gotcha |
| 20:54.21 | andersee | file[laptop]: and to plug all my house phones into asterick, I'd need to use another FXO card? |
| 20:54.48 | file[laptop] | FXO you connect to a phone line from the telco |
| 20:54.52 | file[laptop] | an FXS you connect phones to |
| 20:55.01 | andersee | I see |
| 20:55.07 | file[laptop] | so you'd need like a TDM400P card, a T1 card+channel bank, or more Sipuras |
| 20:55.27 | file[laptop] | the T1 card and channel bank is just geeky ;) |
| 20:55.34 | file[laptop] | but costs $600 for 23 phone lines |
| 20:55.56 | andersee | 1 local line I can dial 911 on is plenty |
| 20:58.06 | andersee | so in theory, I could plug all my house phones into port #2 of my spa-2000, then plug my busines phone into port 1, buy an FXO line to plug into the local telco monopoly |
| 20:58.18 | file[laptop] | yup |
| 20:58.39 | andersee | and setup asterisk to route all long distance via my broadvoice line |
| 20:58.58 | andersee | all local calls out to the local telco line (i.e. 911) |
| 20:59.03 | file[laptop] | easy as pie |
| 20:59.36 | andersee | and setup a "please press #1 for tech support" thingee for incoming calls to the business line |
| 21:00.03 | andersee | and setup a dumb answering machine for incoming calls to the home telco line |
| 21:00.17 | file[laptop] | voicemail accessible via e-mail, web, or phone! |
| 21:00.28 | andersee | cool |
| 21:01.28 | andersee | file[laptop]: any likely issues running such a beast on a powerpc box? |
| 21:01.52 | andersee | i.e. the winmodem driver? |
| 21:01.59 | file[laptop] | never tried |
| 21:02.05 | file[laptop] | not many people use ppc with it :) |
| 21:02.12 | file[laptop] | you'd probably be the first that I would have talked to |
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| 21:17.34 | kergoth | TimRiker: you ever figure out how to get internal ipv6 only boxen talking to external ipv4? |
| 21:20.06 | TimRiker | kergoth: not yet, nope. but I have radvd running so clients can autoconfig ipv6. dns is manageable, ipv6-only clients will be the next project. |
| 21:20.13 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:20.18 | kergoth | keep me posted :) |
| 21:20.18 | kergoth | i havent had time |
| 21:20.44 | TimRiker | the piece I was missing is that radvd is more or less a dhcp replacement. |
| 21:26.04 | TimRiker | though there is a dhcpv6 rfc as well. confusing... =/ |
| 21:26.30 | sorphin | TimRiker: no one uses dhcp w/ ipv6 |
| 21:26.48 | sorphin | that i've seen |
| 21:29.00 | TimRiker | sorphin: nod. I discovered that as I tried to find info on it. |
| 21:29.51 | sorphin | one of the key features of ipv6 is autoconfigure |
| 21:48.19 | TimRiker | the client is, the server is radvd. |
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| 22:48.11 | zecke | cya |
| 22:53.44 | sorphin | ? |
| 22:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 22:54.21 | CosmicPenguin | And here you thought he was making fun of you |
| 22:54.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:55.13 | sorphin | it does appear my boss will become my indirect boss now, and everything will really have to go through our lead |
| 22:55.28 | CosmicPenguin | So in other words, somebody got promoted to be ahead of you? |
| 22:56.08 | sorphin | no, we already had a lead |
| 22:56.14 | andersee | file[laptop]: another question for you... |
| 22:56.21 | file | ask it |
| 22:56.22 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ah - so your boss got promoted |
| 22:56.24 | sorphin | he is just gonna have to be even more of a lead |
| 22:56.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: they won't say yet, so no one knows what's what atm |
| 22:56.41 | CosmicPenguin | I see |
| 22:56.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: gotta love corporations |
| 22:56.51 | andersee | file: is there a limit to how many phones can be plugged into an FXS port? |
| 22:56.55 | sorphin | ~lart All Big Corporations |
| 22:57.02 | sorphin | andersee: uh.. |
| 22:57.04 | sorphin | 1 per port |
| 22:57.17 | sorphin | now.. how many ports, that's up to the capability of the hw |
| 22:57.37 | andersee | file: i.e. I have a bunch of phones currently connected to the local telco |
| 22:58.26 | andersee | file: if I instead plug that phone line into an FXS port on my sipura, and plug the telco into an FXO port... |
| 22:58.47 | andersee | file: then I would have ~10 phones plugged intto the sipura's FXS port |
| 23:00.00 | sorphin | andersee: you'd prolly only run into the issue of if the sipura could provide enough REN to ring all the phones |
| 23:00.55 | sorphin | so you can do intercom'ing, etc |
| 23:01.52 | andersee | sorphin: I don't know what a REN is, but I'm guessing that might prove be a problem |
| 23:01.56 | file | gimme a moment... |
| 23:02.07 | file | I'm trying to figure out my Dell order status |
| 23:02.11 | sorphin | andersee: REN = Ringer Equivelency Number |
| 23:02.20 | sorphin | andersee: aka how much juice it can put out to ring a phone |
| 23:02.28 | sorphin | if you look at the bottom of a phone |
| 23:02.35 | sorphin | it'll say REN: .5 for example |
| 23:02.42 | sorphin | a normal phoneline |
| 23:02.51 | sorphin | can supply up to... REN 5 iirc |
| 23:03.02 | sorphin | so you add all the REN #'s off your equip |
| 23:03.14 | andersee | I see |
| 23:03.16 | andersee | http://www.sipura.com/Documents/faq0.htm#hwren |
| 23:03.17 | sorphin | fyi, iirc, REN 5 = 333ma |
| 23:03.26 | andersee | Q: What is SPA-2000's REN? |
| 23:03.26 | andersee | andersee: SPA2000 supports up to 3 RENs (Ring Equivalence Number) |
| 23:03.33 | sorphin | ah |
| 23:03.36 | sorphin | then add up your 10 phones |
| 23:03.45 | sorphin | if you're over 3 |
| 23:03.54 | sorphin | then... |
| 23:04.01 | andersee | gotcha |
| 23:04.15 | file | gah dang it |
| 23:04.22 | sorphin | file: Kill Dell |
| 23:04.29 | file | ANYWAY, you can adjust the RENs... |
| 23:04.38 | sorphin | eh? |
| 23:04.48 | file | my PAP2-NA can be set to 8 ;) |
| 23:04.55 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:05.02 | sorphin | pot tweaking? :P |
| 23:05.11 | file | :) |
| 23:05.16 | file | it's an option in the web interface fyi |
| 23:05.18 | andersee | whats a pap2-na? |
| 23:05.21 | sorphin | andersee: fyi, REN came about due to the old phones that used Bell's |
| 23:05.27 | file | andersee: an SPA-2000, just cheaper |
| 23:05.33 | sorphin | yup |
| 23:05.35 | file | made by Linksys |
| 23:05.40 | sorphin | file: rebranded |
| 23:05.43 | sorphin | :P |
| 23:05.44 | file | well |
| 23:05.48 | file | they licensed the hardware/firmware and stuff |
| 23:05.58 | sorphin | linksys doesn't *make* hw, just like Memorex doesn't make things |
| 23:06.01 | andersee | file: also with 2x fxs ports? |
| 23:06.10 | sorphin | andersee: it IS a sipura2000 |
| 23:06.11 | file | yup |
| 23:06.18 | sorphin | just w/ sipura stripped out of the fw :P |
| 23:06.29 | andersee | sorphin: made by Linksys, so is it blue? |
| 23:06.34 | sorphin | negative |
| 23:06.36 | sorphin | thank god |
| 23:06.39 | andersee | heheh |
| 23:06.41 | file | it's physically silver |
| 23:06.46 | file | I have my digicam and can take a pic if you want |
| 23:06.48 | sorphin | but linksys just goes overboard |
| 23:07.02 | sorphin | file: can you take a true perspective pic? |
| 23:07.07 | sorphin | i.e. next to a cd |
| 23:07.10 | sorphin | like you were talking about |
| 23:07.13 | file | yup |
| 23:07.18 | sorphin | otherwise the pics make it look huge |
| 23:08.19 | sorphin | file: i think i may grab one of the "vonage" ones from BB, just to see if that pw that guy posted actually works |
| 23:08.37 | sorphin | i'll laugh my ass off it if does |
| 23:08.42 | file | lemme go... grab my USB cable |
| 23:09.34 | sorphin | ~curse today |
| 23:09.36 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, today ! |
| 23:09.48 | sorphin | ~botsnack |
| 23:09.48 | ibot | thanks, sorphin |
| 23:10.31 | file | where's my USB cable... hrm |
| 23:13.13 | file | plugged into my computer... |
| 23:13.14 | file | how ironic |
| 23:14.00 | file | http://neutrino.file-radio.com/pap2/PAP2-NA.jpg |
| 23:15.11 | file | ...silence |
| 23:16.51 | sorphin | file: heh, interesting choice of cds there too |
| 23:16.58 | file | I have a stack of 10 |
| 23:17.08 | file | well, 20 CDs in total |
| 23:17.11 | file | Live and Install... |
| 23:17.20 | sorphin | it any good? |
| 23:17.30 | file | it couldn't detect the video on my workstation |
| 23:17.35 | sorphin | strike 1 |
| 23:17.47 | file | and instead of dropping me to a console or something... |
| 23:17.50 | file | it rebooted |
| 23:17.52 | sorphin | strike 2 |
| 23:17.52 | file | over and over and over |
| 23:18.14 | file | the thing it came in was crushed? |
| 23:18.21 | sorphin | and there we have it |
| 23:18.22 | sorphin | strike 3 |
| 23:18.28 | file | moving on to the PAP2-NA |
| 23:18.30 | file | it's not that big... |
| 23:18.31 | sorphin | yup |
| 23:18.36 | sorphin | so it appears |
| 23:18.40 | file | and you can sit it up like I do, or not put it on it's stand |
| 23:19.10 | sorphin | file: since i can't see your thumb... prolly as thick as a quarter? |
| 23:19.29 | file | lemme see here... what to compare it to |
| 23:19.46 | file | it's as thick as two iPods |
| 23:19.55 | file | piled on top of eachother... |
| 23:20.53 | sorphin | don't have an ipod |
| 23:21.02 | file | I'm trying to think of other stuff... |
| 23:21.05 | file | coming up empty... |
| 23:21.08 | prpplague | wahoo first hardware bug |
| 23:21.45 | file | sorphin: well needless to say, it's not that thick |
| 23:22.46 | sorphin | file: when i said thick as a quarter, i meant as thick as a quarter is tall |
| 23:22.56 | prpplague | sorphin: found a pair address lines swapped |
| 23:22.59 | file | well how thick is your quarter? |
| 23:23.05 | prpplague | sorphin: for the larger ram |
| 23:23.28 | file | yup, as thick as a quarter! |
| 23:23.52 | sorphin | file: a canadian 25 cent and US are about the same, so it's confusing, but machiens can tell the diff |
| 23:24.08 | sorphin | prpplague: on.. pixter? |
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| 23:48.35 | prpplague | sorphin: no on the new board from aml |
| 23:55.21 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:55.23 | kergoth | bleh! |
| 23:57.19 | CosmicPenguin | bleh indeed old man, bleh indeed |
| 23:57.37 | kergoth | and shit, its only tuesday |
| 23:58.03 | CosmicPenguin | We're having some fun now |
| 23:59.06 | CosmicPenguin | And me wearing these goofy ass headphones |
| 23:59.20 | CosmicPenguin | Give me a couple of light sticks, and I could guide in the space shuttle |
