| 00:21.05 | CosmicPenguin | file: you should definately make a Asterisk web config app that works with thttp |
| 00:21.05 | CosmicPenguin | d |
| 00:21.09 | CosmicPenguin | that would be l33t |
| 00:21.37 | file | hehe |
| 00:24.34 | CosmicPenguin | Start with something simple like extensions |
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| 01:49.08 | file | CosmicPenguin: what are you doing still there? |
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| 03:12.19 | Russ | who worked at sco? |
| 03:19.38 | Russ | you remember a dan gregoria? |
| 03:19.55 | Russ | or was it greg white, I forgot |
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| 04:15.54 | TimRiker | Russ: don't recall either. |
| 05:11.17 | TimRiker | ibot: set #elinux postprocess x en sp |
| 05:11.30 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux postprocess x en sp |
| 05:11.30 | ibot | Setting postprocess for #elinux to 'x en sp'. |
| 05:11.36 | TimRiker | ~timriker |
| 05:11.53 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux postprocess x en jp |
| 05:11.58 | TimRiker | ~timriker |
| 05:12.09 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux -postprocess |
| 05:12.11 | T0mW | yuk |
| 05:12.14 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 05:12.23 | T0mW | :P looks junky |
| 05:12.46 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux postprocess x en sp |
| 05:12.46 | ibot | Setting postprocess for #elinux to 'x en sp'. |
| 05:12.50 | TimRiker | ~dict computer |
| 05:13.01 | TimRiker | heh ah well |
| 05:13.03 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux -postprocess |
| 05:14.12 | TimRiker | ~time |
| 05:14.13 | ibot | methinks time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting |
| 05:14.39 | TimRiker | ~date |
| 05:14.41 | ibot | Tue Mar 1 05:14:41 2005 |
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| 05:19.54 | T` | hey T0mW |
| 05:19.57 | T` | how u doin |
| 05:20.11 | T` | damn.. long time since i been here |
| 05:20.26 | T0mW | yeah, been busy playing with stuff eh? |
| 05:21.51 | T0mW | T`: I love doing this work! I can build all this neat stuff and not have to run to a lumberyard or other place to get supplies. Got plenty of bits available to work with. |
| 05:23.03 | T` | haha cool |
| 05:23.19 | T` | yea i am quite busy... i am graduating too.. so doing that thesis and stuff |
| 05:23.19 | T` | heh |
| 05:23.27 | T` | what u hacking now a dayhs |
| 05:23.50 | T0mW | T`: a customized distro of linux. |
| 05:23.59 | T` | aah .. another one! |
| 05:24.01 | T` | hehe.. j/k |
| 05:24.09 | T` | u better have a valid reason |
| 05:25.06 | T0mW | T`: nothing more than customize the installer code and then what packages are to be installed. The real work is the post install configuration. This system is for a local fastfood outfit where we are running linux. |
| 05:26.07 | T` | are you running it on the cashier machines and such? |
| 05:26.10 | T0mW | T`: so far, I have: 3 store computers, a gateway/dmz, and a deeply embedded server with a VPN network. |
| 05:26.35 | T` | ah i c, you have a full fledged comp or using some kinda pc104 or other small factor for store comp? |
| 05:26.42 | T0mW | T`: we're going to be doing that next, integrating some SiCom point of sale systems into our network. |
| 05:27.21 | T0mW | T`: right now, a mix of ATX and ITX machines. The new POS will be ARM (I think) and the POS is running linux. |
| 05:27.47 | T` | nice, thats really cool.. hwat POS software do u use? like for accounting, order display, etc.. |
| 05:27.52 | T0mW | T`: Arbys chain is using SiCom POS terminal equipment. |
| 05:28.18 | T` | i haven't had the oppurtunity to work at mcdonalds, but i saw them from the other side of the counter :) |
| 05:28.53 | T` | is sicom free tom? |
| 05:29.02 | T0mW | T`: whatever they are going to package in their system. They give a integrated solution for a resturant, then we have to extract info from their formats and push it into our accounting systems, etc. |
| 05:29.12 | T0mW | T`: No! not free |
| 05:29.33 | T0mW | T`: IIRC, the POS terminals are around $2k each |
| 05:29.37 | T` | T0mW, aah ok.. hehe, hmm aren't there any POS management software for linux?! |
| 05:29.43 | T` | OSS software sorry |
| 05:29.50 | T0mW | T`: there is |
| 05:29.53 | T0mW | some |
| 05:29.55 | T` | but you are talking about POS terminals with hardware |
| 05:30.01 | T` | right? |
| 05:30.12 | T0mW | correct, a full solution, all we do is purchase it. |
| 05:30.55 | T` | aah |
| 05:31.01 | T0mW | they have a lot of years of knowledge that they put into the package: employee timesheet, inventory control, ordering, plus the customer side sales. |
| 05:31.16 | T` | i was thinking you will make the terminal in a ARM based solution and run some linux based software on it |
| 05:31.46 | T` | ah i c, yea, i am not really knowledged in what might be required in such software/businesses, but sounds interesting |
| 05:31.46 | T0mW | one of the things that most people don't realize is that the food in these fast food resturants is timestamped, after so many hours it is either sold or discarded. |
| 05:31.59 | T` | u mean raw mateial for food? |
| 05:32.04 | T0mW | yup |
| 05:32.28 | T` | i highly doubt that policy in the nearby subway.. hehe.. the bread is terrible there always |
| 05:32.28 | T` | hehe |
| 05:32.30 | T0mW | burgers and chicken have a mandated shelflife then they are thrown out. |
| 05:33.06 | T` | ohh... but the inventory management isnt necesary in the POS terminal right? |
| 05:33.14 | T0mW | the chicken this guy uses has a 30 hour time from the kill to serving. if the chicken is not sold within 30 hours, it is thrown out. |
| 05:33.18 | T` | it could be something in the manager's office or something |
| 05:33.30 | T` | 30 hours! ?? thats it! |
| 05:33.42 | T` | why not just buy irradiated chicken from walmart |
| 05:33.47 | T` | lasts like 4 weeks.. hehe |
| 05:33.59 | T0mW | well, they have that integrated into the sicom system. They will keep track of your daily ordering needs and generate an order for you. |
| 05:34.35 | T0mW | T`: it is policy of Kentucky Fried Chicken corporation that the chicken must be that fresh |
| 05:34.53 | T0mW | also, less chance of food poisoning |
| 05:34.54 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:34.56 | T` | T0mW, i am familar with the acronym KFC :) |
| 05:35.00 | T0mW | k |
| 05:35.02 | T` | hehe |
| 05:35.30 | T` | thats cool, so i guess u figured the JTAG thing out ? |
| 05:35.32 | T0mW | T`: well, I didn't know how long it has been since you got off the boat from the old country. hheh |
| 05:35.55 | T` | hahah... cmon man! KFC is like the first thing u goto once u are in the US |
| 05:35.58 | T` | chicken.. yum yu |
| 05:35.59 | T` | m |
| 05:36.18 | T0mW | T`: I went as far as I could, or needed, w/ jtag. But, nobody is paying me to go further, so... |
| 05:36.26 | T` | haha gotcha |
| 05:36.49 | T` | i recently started playing with analog devices' blackfin dsps |
| 05:36.55 | T` | u should check em out if u haven't |
| 05:37.20 | T` | its not a pure dsp, but has a lot of processor functions.. so its like a mix of proc + dsp |
| 05:37.40 | T0mW | T`: plus, this whole packaged linux thing has gotten me interested. The owner & I have been talking about office integration with the stores for several years. Now that we finally have broadband connections at each ends, it is starting to come about. |
| 05:37.49 | T` | i am using their BF561, its a dualcore dsp, runs at 600Mhz.. doing real-time video processing.. very nice |
| 05:38.20 | T` | T0mW, is the restaurante a chain with multiple stores? |
| 05:38.31 | T0mW | T`: naw, DSP is like anything else, either you do: database, embedded system, DSP, electrical design, etc. and stick with it, you'll get lost really fast. |
| 05:38.44 | T0mW | T`: yeah, 3 stores so far. |
| 05:39.39 | T` | ah nice, still, why cant you just use debian or something similar ? |
| 05:39.48 | T0mW | mandrake was the base for this |
| 05:39.58 | T` | ah, mandrake == eye cancer |
| 05:40.02 | T0mW | Mandrake 10.1 Official download |
| 05:40.07 | T` | too many colors for me :-) |
| 05:40.44 | T0mW | naw, they do good stuff. Debian is too carefull and release slowly, SuSE is a bit odd for me, I get lost in a SuSE file system (etc) |
| 05:40.54 | T0mW | s:etc:/etc dir: |
| 05:41.02 | T` | hmm really? id idnt know that.. never used suse |
| 05:41.17 | T0mW | a bit different, I played with 9.0 |
| 05:41.23 | T` | thats lame.. who are they trying to impress with that weird naming convension |
| 05:41.29 | T0mW | dunn |
| 05:41.31 | T0mW | dunno |
| 05:41.31 | T` | hehe |
| 05:41.48 | T0mW | hey, I have stock Novel, so I shouldn't complain, right? |
| 05:42.00 | T` | u serious! lol!!.. |
| 05:42.00 | T0mW | s/stock/stock in/ |
| 05:42.03 | T0mW | no shit |
| 05:42.16 | T0mW | only 100 shares, I'd to pick up some more |
| 05:42.19 | T` | why novell.. any reason? |
| 05:42.35 | T` | i daytrade, but i liquidate end of day |
| 05:42.43 | T0mW | T`: I like what they are doing, they seem to "get it" when it comes to OSS + Linux |
| 05:42.57 | T0mW | T`: well, I usually go long |
| 05:43.11 | T0mW | T`: I stopped daytrading in 1999 |
| 05:43.24 | T0mW | actually late 1998 |
| 05:43.26 | T` | uh i c.. its good times now.. i been doing quite well for the past 8 months |
| 05:44.06 | T` | but i am into ES futures for sometime now.. |
| 05:44.08 | T0mW | T`: you have to really keep up with the information and what is happening in the market. that does take a lot of time, right? |
| 05:44.41 | T` | hmm, the information is really a small part in my style of trading, i play based on my indicators and technical analysis for charts |
| 05:44.49 | T0mW | ah |
| 05:44.57 | T` | i do keep an eye out for news and earning reports, etc.. but its not the major deal |
| 05:44.57 | T0mW | tradestation type stuff |
| 05:45.24 | T0mW | I'd like to see what will happen to NOVL when SCOX dies. |
| 05:45.32 | T` | but ur right, it does take some time, i am quite busy with lab stuff, so i generally do a pre-market study and if i feel its a good day, i do it for that day.. 8-4 |
| 05:45.43 | T` | TS is horrible! never ever ever use them |
| 05:45.48 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:46.02 | T` | i had an account with them for 3 months and the short sells were just horrible.. always out of short stock |
| 05:46.20 | T0mW | I just went with my gut feelings and kept myself to the tech stocks |
| 05:46.35 | T` | they used to be great when i first joined.. in about 5 weeks the short stocks were almost never available.. i missed so many entry points its not even funny.. |
| 05:46.50 | T0mW | I never shorted, too risky for me and I never seemed to understand shorting |
| 05:46.51 | T` | oh.. i trade a wide variety |
| 05:46.58 | T` | umm.. risky? |
| 05:47.03 | T0mW | yeah |
| 05:47.05 | T` | shorting is just as risky as long |
| 05:47.12 | T0mW | no |
| 05:47.25 | T` | hmm... hehe why do u say that? |
| 05:47.37 | T0mW | I disagree, I'm looking for a company to improve it's products and customer base. |
| 05:47.46 | T` | ooh.. see u are a long term investor type |
| 05:47.50 | T0mW | shorting is betting the CEO will catch a cold |
| 05:48.05 | T` | a daytrade will be only successfull if be doesnt care about the company and think purely about the charts and patterns |
| 05:48.09 | T0mW | yeah |
| 05:48.16 | T0mW | cycles |
| 05:48.36 | T` | the indicators, the 5min, 2min charts, RSI, support&resistance are what u want... not company products, what they do, etc.. |
| 05:48.37 | T0mW | somebody farts and the stock dives |
| 05:48.42 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:48.43 | T` | hahah yea |
| 05:49.01 | T0mW | that's what by what I mean by "risky" |
| 05:49.10 | T` | its psychology really.. after some time you will notice things happening repeatedly and you will catch the wave and make some big $$ :) |
| 05:49.24 | T` | no T0mW, look at boom yesterday |
| 05:49.30 | T0mW | hey,ok. I've got more code to write and lots to do tonite. later |
| 05:49.30 | T` | someone farted and the stock went up |
| 05:49.53 | T` | heh ok.. alright.. gnite |
| 05:50.02 | T0mW | busy integrating the WiFi and cameras into the new system. |
| 05:51.51 | T` | wireless cameras? |
| 05:52.11 | T` | how are u doing the Wifi circuitry for the cam? |
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| 15:23.25 | CosmicPenguin | file: I'll poke you when I know something, aight? |
| 15:24.23 | file | CosmicPenguin: actually I wanted to ask something else |
| 15:24.28 | CosmicPenguin | oh.. heh |
| 15:24.34 | CosmicPenguin | well then, shoot my good man |
| 15:25.00 | file | CosmicPenguin: kergoth has this masterful idea that involves video/audio inputs, network, TVs, inputs accessible anywhere - got any hardware that has potential to be used for it? |
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| 15:27.14 | CosmicPenguin | file: hmm... possibly |
| 15:27.37 | CosmicPenguin | The SC1200 would be a good fit there |
| 15:28.14 | CosmicPenguin | The GX would be fine too, but you would need additional hardware for the TV side of things |
| 15:28.21 | file | yeah |
| 15:28.21 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a meeting, but I'll talk to you about it later |
| 15:28.25 | file | k |
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| 15:37.15 | sjhill | hey [sorphin] |
| 15:37.27 | sjhill | oops, sorry i broke with normal protocol |
| 15:37.32 | sjhill | ~ibot insult [sorphin] |
| 15:39.49 | chouimat | hi sjhill file [sorphin] |
| 15:39.54 | file | hey chouimat |
| 15:40.48 | prpplague | ok guys, i'm sending a nasty gram to emsoft |
| 15:40.58 | file | great |
| 15:41.01 | prpplague | wanna paste here to see if anyone sees a problem with the text |
| 15:41.21 | prpplague | i have double checked with several authorities regarding your assertion that you sd/mmc and nand code is not bound to the GPL. Clearly under section II of the GPL license states that your code does fall under the GPL if you are linking the drivers into a monolithic kernel. |
| 15:41.31 | prpplague | i've verified via jtag on 7 units that no kernel modules are present in the firmware loaded on the juicebox. as such, the functionality of the sd/mmc and nand driver can not be removed from the working kernel distributed in the juicebox firmware. |
| 15:41.48 | prpplague | For this reason the kernel drivers are not offered as a separate work as described in Section II of the GPL and must therefore be distributed under the terms and conditions of the GPL. i urge you to comply within 7 days or i will get the Free Software Foundation involved as they have experience in dealing with this type of violation legally.( google for references to how they "encouraged" linksys to comply) |
| 15:42.14 | prpplague | any comments? |
| 15:42.18 | chouimat | nice |
| 15:44.31 | prpplague | andersee: that sound ok to you? |
| 15:45.33 | sjhill | hey file |
| 15:46.48 | [sorphin] | welp, my DSL is as it should be now, turns out someone put me back as a normal static customer, no one knows who did it tho |
| 15:46.50 | [sorphin] | :) |
| 15:47.22 | file | ah |
| 15:49.36 | andersee | prpplague: eh? |
| 15:49.55 | file | eek andersee |
| 15:50.31 | prpplague | andersee: emsoft is claiming their sd/mmc and nand drivers are not covered by the gpl |
| 15:51.11 | andersee | prpplague: linked into the kernel == GPLd |
| 15:51.19 | andersee | prpplague: so you are spot on |
| 15:52.37 | prpplague | andersee: erikm seems to think i need to not send this email, and just go directly and get fsf involved |
| 15:56.34 | andersee | prpplague: perhaps so |
| 15:57.11 | andersee | prpplague: they have already been asked to comply, and already refused |
| 15:58.32 | prpplague | well fudge, guess i'll get an email to fsf instead |
| 16:01.04 | andersee | though I dunno if the fsf itself pursues GPL violations for the kernel, seeing as they are not the copyright holder |
| 16:01.50 | andersee | they generally only pursue stuff for which they directly hold copyright |
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| 16:10.28 | TimRiker | prpplague: I'd make it a bit nicer... ;-) |
| 16:15.24 | TimRiker | "I hope that this request from one of your customers it met by prompt action. I realise that this request may not be something you had anticipated. I hope you have seen that it is fully explained in the licensing of the GPL sources that you have used to build your product. I will take no further action on this until <insert date> at which point I will begine to actively involve the Free Software Foundation and others by informing them of th |
| 16:15.24 | TimRiker | e manner in which this product is in violation of the GPL license. |
| 16:16.19 | prpplague | TimRiker: hmm, i like that |
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| 16:16.53 | TimRiker | might be useful to quote the relavent sections of the license in the request too. |
| 16:18.47 | TimRiker | section 2.b b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. |
| 16:21.31 | prpplague | TimRiker: thanks |
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| 16:35.32 | ibot | Setting postprocess for #elinux to 'x en gr'. |
| 16:35.37 | TimRiker | ~slashdot |
| 16:35.46 | TimRiker | bummer. |
| 16:35.50 | TimRiker | ~seen prpplague |
| 16:36.03 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux postprocess scramble |
| 16:36.10 | file64 | you're scary |
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| 16:36.15 | TimRiker | ~seen prpplague |
| 16:36.36 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 16:36.57 | TimRiker | ~slashdot |
| 16:37.32 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux -postprocess |
| 16:37.53 | prpplague | TimRiker: cute |
| 16:38.03 | TimRiker | it amuses me |
| 16:38.14 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux postprocess md5 |
| 16:38.14 | ibot | Setting postprocess for #elinux to 'md5'. |
| 16:38.21 | TimRiker | ~slashdot |
| 16:38.35 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #elinux -postprocess |
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| 16:40.17 | prpplague | just not used to being without my kids |
| 16:43.46 | cdm | morning |
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| 17:29.59 | cdm | any of you guys use RandR? |
| 17:30.13 | cdm | how the heck do I actually get it to rotate? :) |
| 17:30.37 | cdm | xrandr? |
| 17:31.40 | pb_ | yeah |
| 17:31.43 | pb_ | xrandr -o left |
| 17:31.44 | pb_ | or whatever |
| 17:34.06 | cdm | not working for me on SuSE. |
| 17:34.08 | cdm | hurm. |
| 17:36.55 | cdm | does the low-level driver have to support it? |
| 17:43.01 | CosmicPenguin | I have returned |
| 17:44.38 | pb_ | cdm: yes |
| 17:44.51 | cdm | damn it - why? :) |
| 17:45.21 | file | CosmicPenguin: thanks for the warning |
| 17:46.53 | CosmicPenguin | are you at least 100 feet from the monitor at all times? |
| 17:47.11 | file | I am everywhere, all the time |
| 17:55.03 | cdm | soooo..anyone know any good PC video cards that support rotation with randr? |
| 17:55.04 | cdm | :) |
| 17:55.11 | cdm | since it appears that the Radeon driver does not. |
| 17:55.53 | pb_ | I'm not sure that Xorg supports randr at all, actually. |
| 17:56.15 | pb_ | supports rotation, that is. I think all the drivers support the resize bit. |
| 17:56.18 | cdm | shit. :) |
| 17:56.36 | pb_ | If you have a Radeon, you might be able to use the Xati server from kdrive. |
| 17:57.37 | cdm | what's that? |
| 17:57.52 | pb_ | what's what? kdrive? |
| 17:58.54 | cdm | I think I found kdrive. |
| 17:58.58 | cdm | but I can't find Xati |
| 17:59.11 | pb_ | it should be in hw/kdrive/ati/ |
| 18:04.12 | cdm | yeah - got it all I think. |
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| 18:59.32 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey |
| 18:59.42 | prpplague | TimRiker: whats the story on your job these days? |
| 19:02.13 | prpplague | ~nslookup www.bcui.com |
| 19:02.32 | prpplague | ~nslookup www.buici.com |
| 19:04.46 | CosmicPenguin | sweeeeettttt |
| 19:05.10 | CosmicPenguin | We're getting as many as 50 surplused dual athlon rack mount boxes |
| 19:05.17 | file | nifty |
| 19:05.24 | CosmicPenguin | can you say, build cluster? |
| 19:05.33 | file | no I can't |
| 19:06.58 | file | http://www.syswear.com/view/tshirts?d=26 |
| 19:07.01 | CosmicPenguin | I doubt we would ever use that many during a build |
| 19:07.14 | file | the more the better |
| 19:07.19 | CosmicPenguin | but still, its satisfying to pass a -j 100 to make all the same |
| 19:23.47 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe, i just got your bookmarks page on rikers.org via google |
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| 20:13.45 | andersee | prpplague: I recommend you try and to perform the comparison |
| 20:14.02 | andersee | prpplague: I recommend you try it and perform the comparison |
| 20:14.13 | prpplague | andersee: ?? |
| 20:14.27 | andersee | oh |
| 20:14.38 | andersee | chouimat|busy: I recommend you try it and perform the comparison |
| 20:14.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:17.22 | andersee | ouch |
| 20:17.25 | chouimat|busy | andersee: it was a rhetorical question |
| 20:17.36 | andersee | heheheh |
| 20:18.03 | [sorphin] | ~emulate file |
| 20:18.04 | ibot | ACTION poke poke poke poke |
| 20:24.00 | CosmicPenguin | why did I think I could use #ifdef symbol to test for previously typedefed variable types? |
| 20:26.26 | [sorphin] | CosmicPenguin: because AMD is slowly replacing your brain w/ dead CPUs? |
| 20:26.41 | CosmicPenguin | possibly |
| 20:26.49 | CosmicPenguin | [sorphin]: you see my post about our pending cluster? |
| 20:26.51 | CosmicPenguin | I'm excited |
| 20:27.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm sure he is, since he is an expert as making "clusters" hehe |
| 20:29.43 | [sorphin] | CosmicPenguin: your post? |
| 20:29.57 | [sorphin] | prpplague: what's that hillbillyislander? |
| 20:30.53 | CosmicPenguin | Its meeting time, baby! |
| 20:32.23 | prpplague | [sorphin]: just being mean this afternoon |
| 20:33.21 | prpplague | rotary hammer? |
| 20:34.41 | [sorphin] | it's a bit more beefy than a hammer drill.. it's mainly for drilling in concrete, masonry, etc.. it has a slight hammer action to the drilling |
| 20:35.03 | prpplague | [sorphin]: ahh |
| 20:36.59 | [sorphin] | prpplague: drilling into the basement floor to bolt down my rack |
| 20:37.04 | [sorphin] | been a real task |
| 20:37.39 | [sorphin] | masonry bits didn't work, hammer drill didn't work (concrete is too dense) |
| 20:37.42 | prpplague | [sorphin]: i wan't aware that you were a woman |
| 20:37.54 | [sorphin] | prpplague: excuse you? |
| 20:38.04 | prpplague | [sorphin]: hehe, your "rack" |
| 20:38.08 | [sorphin] | uh |
| 20:38.08 | [sorphin] | no |
| 20:38.12 | [sorphin] | 7' Relay Rack |
| 20:39.19 | [sorphin] | ~lart prpplague for acting like a putz |
| 20:40.31 | prpplague | i swear i've put on 10lbs in the last two weeks |
| 20:44.33 | [sorphin] | ~taunt prpplague |
| 20:44.40 | [sorphin] | damn |
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| 21:02.02 | CosmicPenguin | file: so what was it you were talking about this morning? |
| 21:04.59 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 21:05.06 | CosmicPenguin | you know you're a geek when you get an "In memoriam" on the front page of google |
| 21:05.09 | file64 | kergoth is dead, but whatever |
| 21:05.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:05.17 | file64 | oh wait there he is |
| 21:05.22 | file64 | kergoth, pick CP your idea that I love |
| 21:05.24 | file64 | er pitch |
| 21:05.39 | kergoth | eh, in a bit, working on something atm |
| 21:05.47 | file64 | then I'll explain |
| 21:05.56 | kergoth | damn real work interfering |
| 21:06.27 | file64 | CosmicPenguin, think of a device for each TV in your house that links to a central device where the inputs are (TV inputs) |
| 21:06.39 | file64 | you can then access the inputs from any TV, as well as move what you're watching to another TV... |
| 21:06.41 | file64 | etc etc |
| 21:06.51 | file64 | uses your local LAN for communication |
| 21:07.32 | CosmicPenguin | You would only have a single channel on each TV then> |
| 21:07.33 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 21:07.46 | file64 | picture in picture too... |
| 21:08.39 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: well, there's no reason you couldnt have a control channel for each input, possibly with authentication |
| 21:08.42 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: as your 'remote' |
| 21:08.54 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... |
| 21:08.59 | kergoth | basically every video/audio input udevice in your house gets hooked to embedded devices to stream _out_ via multicast |
| 21:09.17 | kergoth | and every video/output display device does the same, for subscribing to said multicast streams |
| 21:09.32 | kergoth | so your "home entertainment system" becomes a distributed network of components |
| 21:09.36 | TimRiker | now I suppose you want all that over wireless. |
| 21:09.50 | file64 | TimRiker, version 2.0! |
| 21:09.52 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, have like 10 of those little $30 dvd players? hehe |
| 21:09.52 | kergoth | well, you'll hit bandwidth issues regardless of the interface |
| 21:10.04 | file64 | we'll make gigabit wireless! |
| 21:10.11 | CosmicPenguin | Well, so really this is more about home entertainment and less about broadcast TV |
| 21:10.24 | CosmicPenguin | so "channels" in the classic sense wouldn't really matter |
| 21:10.48 | TimRiker | sure. run different devices over different wifi channels. ;-) |
| 21:10.49 | CosmicPenguin | But you would have a "stereo" channel, a "dvd" channel, etc.. that any device could connect to |
| 21:10.52 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: right, its just audio/video streams and associated control mechanisms |
| 21:10.55 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:11.04 | kergoth | so i can broadcast this dvd i'm watching to all the rooms in my house. |
| 21:11.08 | kergoth | or listen to this song everywhere at once |
| 21:11.11 | file64 | yay! |
| 21:11.14 | kergoth | or any number of other possibilities |
| 21:11.20 | kergoth | TimRiker: heh, yeah, thatd do |
| 21:11.28 | file64 | then we got into the VoIP possibilities too |
| 21:11.40 | prpplague | kergoth: would each location have a/v inputs as well as outputs? |
| 21:11.45 | TimRiker | issues with syncing. if each device plays the song/video a fraction of a second out of sync, it'd drive you crazy. |
| 21:11.52 | prpplague | kergoth: or strictly out? |
| 21:12.02 | CosmicPenguin | Ok... so we're talking about multiple clients with network, tv and audio gozouttas |
| 21:12.10 | TimRiker | prpplague: probably. so you can stick a dvd into it. |
| 21:12.12 | CosmicPenguin | and then a server with the same inputs coming in |
| 21:12.22 | kergoth | TimRiker: well, you'd likely want the same embedded device handling both audio & video input for what needs sy ncing |
| 21:12.30 | kergoth | TimRiker: and itd have to send out some form of sync pulse or something |
| 21:12.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:12.44 | kergoth | yeah its a concern, but i'm sure it could be dealt with wihtout too much difficulty |
| 21:13.00 | CosmicPenguin | Where's old man Tom? |
| 21:13.04 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: the main issue is these a/v io ports. there's no inexpensive device with these ports |
| 21:13.24 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: i'd like to build a usb device with a microcontroller and just some adcs/dacs & ports hanging off of it |
| 21:13.32 | CosmicPenguin | nod |
| 21:13.34 | kergoth | then attach those to said embedded device, so its expandable |
| 21:13.42 | kergoth | or something along those lines, anyway. |
| 21:13.43 | TimRiker | anyone notice that hdtv signals are delayed from traditional broadcast? or even digital tv delayed from analog. |
| 21:13.57 | TimRiker | I'm on analog so I get it first! ;-) |
| 21:14.08 | file64 | silly Tim and his analog |
| 21:14.24 | TimRiker | silly lagging file64 with his digital. ;-/ |
| 21:14.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:14.29 | prpplague | yea, some guys in vegas used that the do some illegal betting a few years back |
| 21:14.42 | prpplague | since all the tv's in the betting facility were digital |
| 21:15.02 | prpplague | they'd intercept the race as analog, and then place the bet in the last few seconds |
| 21:16.54 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: we have a chip that knows how to do TV out natively |
| 21:17.11 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: but there aren't any dev boards around that have any of that wired up |
| 21:17.35 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: T0mW was showing off a schematic for a VGA->TV dongle a while back |
| 21:19.09 | CosmicPenguin | openhardware.net seems to be sleep right now |
| 21:20.02 | kergoth | prpplague: ultimately you'd have nodes for input & for output, or both. i'd connect inputs from my dvd player, playstation 2, etc, and outputs to all the tvs in the house. |
| 21:20.43 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, think you'll have problems with the video games |
| 21:20.54 | prpplague | kergoth: the delay will be noticable |
| 21:21.26 | kergoth | that's true, can only do so much |
| 21:22.04 | kergoth | but yeah, thats the plan. i dont want to buy this big monolithic home stereo receiver to manage all my crap |
| 21:22.24 | kergoth | i want to hang an fm tuner off the network and stream it to whomever wants it |
| 21:22.35 | CosmicPenguin | that would be a good first step |
| 21:22.40 | CosmicPenguin | I think that would be pretty damn sweet |
| 21:22.45 | kergoth | software is a big part |
| 21:22.50 | kergoth | i want to get the software functioning on desktops |
| 21:22.58 | kergoth | ascertain the resource requirements |
| 21:23.02 | kergoth | basic feasability testing |
| 21:24.35 | prpplague | kergoth: there are plenty of stb reference designs available |
| 21:24.41 | CosmicPenguin | oggify it, and then decode on the other side |
| 21:25.07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:25.16 | CosmicPenguin | I think the biggest problem with audio is getting a codec and board that can support serious audio i/o |
| 21:25.23 | CosmicPenguin | none of this headphone jack crap |
| 21:25.33 | kergoth | the main thing i'm wondering about is how to do the session management. subscribing to streams, seeing whats there, etc |
| 21:25.37 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:26.05 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: This was on freshmeat this morning - I'm dicking with some demo stuff ,so it caught my eye |
| 21:26.07 | CosmicPenguin | http://streaming.polito.it/server |
| 21:26.09 | kergoth | i was thinking you could either build a small board to hang off of usb, using a microcontroller, or pick up a gumstix and hang some dacs off of its expansion port or something |
| 21:26.57 | kergoth | looks cool |
| 21:27.30 | prpplague | kergoth: ek |
| 21:27.34 | prpplague | kergoth: not the gumstix |
| 21:27.56 | kergoth | heh, yeah, i've heard the horror stories |
| 21:27.59 | kergoth | but you get the idea |
| 21:28.22 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:29.09 | prpplague | kergoth: i looked at one of these before i left abcs - http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8014924483.html |
| 21:29.18 | CosmicPenguin | thats a very clean and pretty website, by the way - I like it |
| 21:30.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats under the hood? |
| 21:30.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: never got to see, it was brought out and shown during a presentation |
| 21:31.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when i asked more about it, they said they were preparing a press release on it |
| 21:31.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats the last i heard |
| 21:31.29 | TimRiker | the OSK5912 should do. ;-) |
| 21:32.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there is a spec sheet on their website |
| 21:33.30 | CosmicPenguin | Alchemy! |
| 21:33.32 | CosmicPenguin | Geode! |
| 21:33.34 | CosmicPenguin | Opteron! |
| 21:33.48 | [sorphin] | CosmicPenguin: and don't forget the forthcoming Cruton! |
| 21:34.05 | CosmicPenguin | [sorphin]: how can I forget? |
| 21:34.06 | prpplague | and lepton |
| 21:34.10 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: =) |
| 21:34.20 | [sorphin] | prpplague: nah, the cruton, it uses teh Caeser chipset |
| 21:34.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:34.50 | CosmicPenguin | And the anchovy 3D accelerator |
| 21:35.20 | [sorphin] | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:35.30 | [sorphin] | CosmicPenguin: i'd say yes ;) |
| 21:35.34 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: well the OMAP 5912 would have the audio capabilities, with a built in DSP for like $15 so a board could be made for like $25 or less in volume. What's the cheapest for an AMD solution? |
| 21:36.15 | prpplague | no where close to that |
| 21:36.24 | CosmicPenguin | Well, depending on what else is hanging off of that |
| 21:36.34 | TimRiker | course, the 5912 would not be an ideal choice to stream video. I could decode it fast enough certianly. It's the encoding that would be an issue. |
| 21:37.09 | CosmicPenguin | We could probably be sub 75 in quantity without storage media |
| 21:37.15 | prpplague | and using a remote to control things like dvd would have atleast .5 - 1 seconds delay |
| 21:37.24 | TimRiker | oooh. only 3 times the price. ;-) |
| 21:38.10 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, for 5 bucks more, you can hang the kitchen sink off the damn thing |
| 21:38.21 | prpplague | TimRiker: whats the story anyway? |
| 21:38.30 | prpplague | TimRiker: you gonna jump off the TI ship? |
| 21:38.32 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: plus, that includes a 2D accelerator on the processor |
| 21:38.44 | TimRiker | [sorphin]: just the right solution for the right problem. if you want encoding too, I'll push something else. ;-) |
| 21:39.03 | CosmicPenguin | All kidding aside, I agree |
| 21:39.06 | cbrake | Well, freescale MXL is < $10 last time I checked :-) Linux support seems a little lacking though. |
| 21:39.09 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: same here. though the 2d accel on the omap1 is rather lame. |
| 21:39.10 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: can it play BZFlag on it? :P |
| 21:39.20 | CosmicPenguin | If all you're doing is decoding a stream, the geode is over kill |
| 21:39.25 | TimRiker | [sorphin]: nope. though the omap2 could. |
| 21:39.31 | [sorphin] | heh |
| 21:39.50 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: agreed. and if you want to encode, then the omap is not the right thing. |
| 21:39.53 | kergoth | heh, omap2 could even without the accel. gotta love hardware vfp |
| 21:39.53 | CosmicPenguin | We could definately pull off the encode/decode though |
| 21:40.08 | CosmicPenguin | Video would be a stretch |
| 21:40.08 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: nod. |
| 21:40.18 | CosmicPenguin | you would probably want to take mpeg2 off chip |
| 21:40.47 | TimRiker | ideally you want to stream the digital mpeg2 right from the dvd without re-encoding. |
| 21:41.14 | TimRiker | ditto for digital tuner cards, both cable and satelite. |
| 21:41.28 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 21:41.34 | CosmicPenguin | decoding will be difficult too though... :) |
| 21:42.05 | TimRiker | true, but there are a lot of cheap chips that can handle that. |
| 21:42.44 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe, guess that answers my question, hehe |
| 21:42.58 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: just stay away from the Sigma Designs, for the love of crumbcake |
| 21:43.13 | prpplague | and kiss technology |
| 21:45.37 | TimRiker | prpplague: oh. you want an answer? ;-) My group here is going with nucleus instead of Linux. so I'm hunting, both inside and outside TI. |
| 21:45.56 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe |
| 21:45.58 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: don't wanna stick around and play with nucleus? |
| 21:46.11 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: been there, done that - linux is more fun... :) |
| 21:46.15 | prpplague | TimRiker: was just curious if you'd found something in one of the other divisions |
| 21:46.32 | prpplague | TimRiker: ep&s sure seems to have trouble identifing their target audience |
| 21:46.49 | Crofton | hmmm MDA stuff |
| 21:48.32 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe, i still wish i had a PET |
| 21:48.42 | prpplague | TimRiker: didn't you end up with one? |
| 21:50.02 | TimRiker | prpplague: I know where all 200 of them are, but I can't show them to anybody. that might change soon though. might be able to rip off the labels and get them out without support. |
| 21:50.31 | TimRiker | I have 4 or 5 that I mess with from time to time. |
| 21:50.48 | CosmicPenguin | Wikipedia tells us that today is the birthday of Yellowstone National Park |
| 21:50.53 | CosmicPenguin | Bow down before the glory of Wyoming! |
| 21:51.05 | prpplague | TimRiker: wow, didn't know there were that many made |
| 21:51.14 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: the PET the thing you showed me when i was there? |
| 21:51.16 | prpplague | TimRiker: i got the impression that there were only 10 or 15 |
| 21:52.07 | TimRiker | [sorphin]: yep. you saw one. |
| 21:52.13 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: that thing was neat |
| 21:52.32 | prpplague | hehe, i would have purchased one for everyone in the family, hehe |
| 21:52.57 | TimRiker | prpplague: there were 4 high schools using them for classes. I think there were about 200 made most of which are all in the same box in storage. |
| 21:53.05 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: as long as it didn't become another DCT5k :P |
| 21:53.55 | prpplague | TimRiker: ahh |
| 21:54.13 | TimRiker | [sorphin]: too late. =/ the hardware still have some issues, like display cushions need work, so that drop tests pass, etc. they are almost ready, but not quite release quality. |
| 21:54.30 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: well, actually what i meant was |
| 21:54.47 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: a standing inability to use linux, because no one has time to work on it, even here |
| 21:56.38 | TimRiker | [sorphin]: these units all have linux on them already. and I have free images that'll reload from mmc cards. I could put those images up today, but they aren't much good without the hardware. |
| 21:56.52 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: right |
| 21:56.56 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: any idea on cost? |
| 21:57.00 | TimRiker | the free images do not include the wireless driver. |
| 21:57.09 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe, i'd be interested in looking at the mmc code |
| 21:57.25 | prpplague | TimRiker: using a spi controler? |
| 21:57.26 | TimRiker | [sorphin]: original plan was $500 retail. no idea what they are worth now. |
| 21:57.52 | [sorphin] | ouch |
| 21:59.34 | prpplague | TimRiker: would have been worth it in my book |
| 21:59.42 | TimRiker | prpplague: don't recall. there is an spi controller but there might also be a dedicated mmc controller. |
| 21:59.57 | [sorphin] | prpplague: uh.. $500? heh |
| 22:00.32 | prpplague | [sorphin]: yea trusted, i saw alot more than you did |
| 22:02.09 | [sorphin] | prpplague: maybe, tho i saw it function atleast |
| 22:08.47 | TimRiker | someone(tm) needs to find some funding and create a comprehensive jtag suite. support for multiple emulators, discovery, flashing, gdb interface, etc. |
| 22:09.05 | TimRiker | I'd do it eagerly if someone would pay me. =( |
| 22:09.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea, there is some working going on over in #openjtag |
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| 23:36.46 | CosmicPenguin | grr.... |
| 23:36.50 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart Java |
| 23:39.42 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: what did Java ever do to you? :) |
| 23:41.15 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: exactly |
| 23:41.28 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: its done nothing to me, for me, or at my behest |
| 23:41.41 | CosmicPenguin | its 75 megabytes of uselessness |
| 23:41.42 | cdm | hahaha.. |
| 23:42.04 | cdm | I actually quite like it. Fast to develop apps with, and Eclipse is a darn nice tool for building java apps. |
| 23:42.40 | CosmicPenguin | It has no business being on an embedded image |
| 23:42.56 | cdm | Sun's jvm doesn't. |
| 23:43.03 | cdm | but a nice embedded jvm like j9 is perfect for embedded. |
| 23:43.11 | CosmicPenguin | well, thats debatable |
| 23:43.13 | CosmicPenguin | I do like sablevm |
| 23:43.26 | CosmicPenguin | and the gnu classpath is a good start |
| 23:43.36 | CosmicPenguin | but unfortunately, to do anything worthwhile, eventually, you end right back up at sun |
| 23:45.08 | cdm | why is that? |
| 23:45.11 | cdm | you can run Eclipse with j9. |
| 23:45.35 | cdm | j9 provides complete control over it's just-in-time compiler. |
| 23:46.05 | cdm | and it eve has a wicked mode called jxe, where it compiles a single jar-like file that has everything you need to run your java app in a single package. |
| 23:46.10 | cdm | j9 -jxe myapp.jxe |
| 23:46.23 | cdm | strips out all the bits you don't need. |