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| 14:34.29 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, did you ship that out yet? |
| 14:37.20 | prpplague | yea, went out tuesday |
| 14:37.28 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry for the delay |
| 14:37.33 | prpplague | T0mW: just got alot going on |
| 14:51.17 | prpplague | T0mW: good news though, aml seems interested in keeping me on |
| 14:51.25 | prpplague | T0mW: telecomute doing BSP's |
| 14:51.36 | T0mW | hah! |
| 14:52.01 | T0mW | you're on your way to consulting |
| 14:52.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:52.45 | T0mW | essentially how I got started, companies I did work for inhouse started coming to me to ask to continue doing projects for them. |
| 14:53.17 | T0mW | problem now will be is putting a pricetag on your hours and determining how many hours a job would take |
| 14:53.36 | T0mW | plus, figuring out what the customer is willing to pay without cringing |
| 14:53.56 | T0mW | IOW, getting blood from a stone |
| 14:58.17 | Crofton_ | what are BSP's? |
| 15:04.31 | T0mW | Crofton_: Board Support Packages |
| 15:05.07 | T0mW | Crofton_: IOW, supporting a board under an O/S |
| 15:05.53 | Crofton_ | AH |
| 15:06.13 | Crofton_ | I thought it might be that, but most embedded systems don't really have boards :) |
| 15:06.34 | Crofton_ | and this is different from device drivers how? |
| 15:07.51 | T0mW | a lot |
| 15:07.59 | Crofton_ | Interesting |
| 15:08.12 | T0mW | basically a driver is only concerned with the hardware of a particular type |
| 15:08.18 | Crofton_ | ok |
| 15:08.51 | T0mW | while a BSP also deals with where the RAM / Flash is located in physical memory and which drivers need to be activated for the hardware that is present |
| 15:09.35 | T0mW | the "board" refers to the one the embedded processor is on |
| 15:09.40 | Crofton_ | yeah |
| 15:09.50 | Crofton_ | I'll have to think about this |
| 15:10.08 | Crofton_ | Thanks for the explanation |
| 15:10.11 | T0mW | naw, get a webpal or something and just "do it" |
| 15:10.20 | Crofton_ | heh |
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| 15:10.42 | T0mW | webpals are $10 on ebay |
| 15:10.50 | Crofton_ | I do something similar for data acquisition cards and this software radio system we are working on |
| 15:11.03 | T0mW | yeah |
| 15:11.58 | prpplague^2 | argh, our net connection sucks |
| 15:12.50 | Crofton_ | nothing found on ebay for webpal |
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| 15:18.11 | CosmicPenguin | Yo |
| 15:19.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho and a bottle of rum |
| 15:20.36 | CosmicPenguin | ooh... fun.. ;) |
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| 15:21.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: getting busy status from the spi |
| 15:22.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can't figure out what i'm doing wrong |
| 15:22.23 | CosmicPenguin | spi is tricky like that |
| 15:23.31 | T0mW | Crofton_: that may that it has pretty well died down, there were a ton of those things in warehouses and some people in California were trying to sell them for $50 a pop. People were not taking them and the prices rapidly dropped to $10 + shipping. You'll prolly see them appear now and again. |
| 15:23.50 | Crofton_ | I added a search to my ebay |
| 15:24.05 | Crofton_ | I assume I can install linux and surf the net from my TV? |
| 15:24.14 | T0mW | Crofton_: this is a webpal: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 15:24.33 | Crofton_ | Yeah, I did some searching |
| 15:24.48 | T0mW | Crofton_: yeah, 1 meg of Flash + 32Meg FP RAM |
| 15:25.31 | T0mW | Crofton_: it does have an IDE port and you could take a CF --> IDE adapter to give it a "large hard drive" |
| 15:25.39 | Crofton_ | heh |
| 15:25.58 | Crofton_ | We have a microdrive installed in the CF slot of our OMAP OSK :) |
| 15:26.27 | Crofton_ | Does OE have a machine def for the webpal? |
| 15:26.42 | CosmicPenguin | definately not |
| 15:26.47 | T0mW | Crofton_: I was goofing around with one and build an ISA card for it: http://www.openhardware.net/?title=ISA%20card%20for%20the%20WebPal&project=webpal&file=webpal-isa.jpg |
| 15:26.48 | CosmicPenguin | It doesn't even have a machine type for the shannon |
| 15:27.17 | Crofton_ | It looks like an amusing toy for $10 |
| 15:27.33 | Crofton_ | ~shannon |
| 15:28.11 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton_: Tuxscreen |
| 15:28.59 | Crofton_ | heh: google for shannon arm and second link is nsfw |
| 15:29.30 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:30.35 | CosmicPenguin | I should fire my tuxscreen up again |
| 15:30.43 | CosmicPenguin | but I think that my boss would be angry if I did it on company time |
| 15:31.04 | CosmicPenguin | I guess I could plug it into an analog to voip converter |
| 15:31.07 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:34.34 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: naw, you're just exercising your programming skills. |
| 15:35.18 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: you could explain to your boss that this would make you a more valuable employee |
| 15:36.12 | CosmicPenguin | Im... um.... trying out touchscreens... |
| 15:36.15 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, thats the ticket |
| 15:36.41 | CosmicPenguin | No, actually, if I made your mod, I could get the VoIP stuff working under the guise that I needed a working VoIP phone to talk to my demos |
| 15:40.51 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:45.02 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: whatever came of that VGA->TV adapter you were making? |
| 15:45.23 | T0mW | haven't put it together |
| 15:45.31 | T0mW | I did get all the parts |
| 15:45.58 | CosmicPenguin | We were talking the other day about distributed multimedia widgets |
| 15:45.58 | T0mW | found the 15pin VGA male PCB conns at a computer show, of all places. |
| 15:46.06 | CosmicPenguin | And thought one of those would be fun to plug into a Geode for giggles |
| 15:46.11 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:46.17 | T0mW | yeha! |
| 15:47.01 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I haven't had the need for them, so I filed the parts away in a bin |
| 15:47.41 | CosmicPenguin | Man - you've got mad skills |
| 15:47.42 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: nothing new there, my time is spent on openvpn, 8051, and POS lately. |
| 15:48.08 | CosmicPenguin | I wish I had a few hundred thousand dollars, I would fund a few Geode based hacking widgets |
| 15:48.23 | CosmicPenguin | Of course my wife would want me to spend it on like, a house and stuff, but screw that |
| 15:48.48 | T0mW | yeah, money is always the problem. Lots of stuff to play with but you spend time trying to save money. |
| 15:49.01 | T0mW | now they wouldn |
| 15:49.09 | T0mW | 't have done that to Einstien |
| 15:49.29 | CosmicPenguin | My biggest complaint is that we make all these wicked bad refrence designs here, and then toss them out when we're done with validation |
| 15:49.55 | T0mW | just feed us money, give us nice computers and come by once in a while to reap what we've built, then go sell it... |
| 15:50.07 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:50.24 | T0mW | that's how it works, isn't it? or should |
| 15:50.33 | CosmicPenguin | definately |
| 15:50.58 | T0mW | that's the way I've always thought of it, but the boss would be so insistant that I work on his crap all the time |
| 15:51.12 | T0mW | nothing that I would normally be interested in |
| 15:51.28 | CosmicPenguin | All I wish is that the average dudes can enjoy the fruits of our labor |
| 15:51.38 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, its nice that we have companies buying in lots of 10,000 |
| 15:51.44 | T0mW | that's the problem with employers, they just don't have any imagination or vision |
| 15:52.05 | CosmicPenguin | But via sold 1.3 million chips last year to hobbyists |
| 15:52.13 | T0mW | :) heh |
| 15:52.20 | CosmicPenguin | Just by the law of averages, that had to have resulted in some design wins |
| 15:52.27 | T0mW | most went into Mythtv frontends |
| 15:52.30 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:52.46 | T0mW | kitchen terminals |
| 15:53.08 | T0mW | cd networked jukebox in the bedroom |
| 15:53.19 | CosmicPenguin | stupid proxy - work dammit, work |
| 15:57.53 | CosmicPenguin | Well crap - now it works |
| 15:57.55 | CosmicPenguin | bastards! |
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| 15:59.37 | CP|Laptop | Ahhh - now we're cooking with gas |
| 15:59.43 | CP|Laptop | You all are coming to my meeting with me |
| 15:59.44 | T0mW | I'm just killing time for the next day or two. I have another 8051 program to write and the customer has to send over the equipment to interface to. |
| 16:00.03 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: I want compensation |
| 16:00.35 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: I mean if I have sit through another meeting this month... |
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| 16:03.20 | CP|Laptop | This conference room is like my second office |
| 16:04.01 | T0mW | :( |
| 16:05.30 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: I had a customer suggest to me that he wanted to setup more meetings to determine what a new design would be. humph, like I am going to help him build his spec? Not a chance considering the past three proposals I gave him for that product. |
| 16:06.30 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: my policy is a meeting takes about an hour, after that there better be some money in my pocket before the next "meeting". |
| 16:06.51 | CP|Laptop | I wish I could do that |
| 16:07.19 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: naw, you cannot, you just have to kiss b*tt and take your paycheck |
| 16:07.20 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:08.55 | CP|Laptop | At least I can yell at people without losing the gig |
| 16:09.53 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: my theory is that meetings are not to provide information, but are more of a "group spanking" where the boss can publically shame you for not having your projects done. |
| 16:10.21 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: sort of along the lines of a "code review" |
| 16:11.53 | CP|Laptop | he |
| 16:11.54 | CP|Laptop | h |
| 16:11.58 | T0mW | meetings are a socially accepted form of violence |
| 16:12.26 | T0mW | oh, did I say that I don't like meetings.? :-) |
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| 17:00.07 | file | me! me! |
| 17:00.21 | Crofton_ | I am |
| 17:00.42 | CP|Laptop | file: you still at VON? |
| 17:01.00 | file | yes |
| 17:01.08 | file | I continue to sit in my hotel room this morning |
| 17:01.19 | CP|Laptop | go to a seminar dammit |
| 17:01.20 | file | and wait for Mark/Russell |
| 17:01.32 | file | it's 9PM, nothing is happening :p |
| 17:01.46 | file | and everyone got drunk, so god knows how the booth is going to be today |
| 17:02.16 | file | no I didn't get drunk |
| 17:02.17 | file | :p |
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| 17:04.57 | T0mW | file: 9PM ? where are you? |
| 17:05.04 | file | San Jose |
| 17:05.10 | file | do you know the way to San Jose? |
| 17:05.17 | Crofton_ | which San Jose? |
| 17:05.31 | T0mW | oh, you meant 9AM, I thought you were in China or somewhere like that |
| 17:05.57 | file | ha no |
| 17:05.59 | file | California |
| 17:06.11 | T0mW | almost the same thing, differnet world |
| 17:06.19 | file | http://pulver.com/reports/images/spring05von/08mar05-1.jpg |
| 17:06.22 | file | you can see the booth in the back |
| 17:06.26 | file | and of course, Mark on the left side |
| 17:06.43 | file | my head is blocked by the laptop cause I was sitting down at our table killing bugs on the bug tracker |
| 17:08.24 | Crofton_ | Damn, I bet all the TV stations are tuned to the wacko jacko trial there |
| 17:08.45 | T0mW | I have mythtv here, I skip all that hype stuff |
| 17:08.50 | Crofton_ | heh |
| 17:08.54 | file | TV not on. |
| 17:08.57 | file | Does not compute. |
| 17:09.09 | Crofton_ | I was working outside LA during the OJ mess, thats all that was on |
| 17:09.16 | T0mW | TV == mindless erosion of mental resources |
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| 19:33.32 | prpplague | argh |
| 19:33.43 | prpplague | i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong with this mmc driver |
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| 19:46.04 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/linuxapiut/ |
| 20:02.54 | CosmicPenguin | apiut? |
| 20:02.59 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 20:03.32 | kergoth | hehe. i couldnt think of anything better |
| 20:03.55 | CosmicPenguin | Not a problem |
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| 21:50.17 | prpplague | lordy, what's this world coming too? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/10/tegam_verdict/ |
| 21:50.45 | prpplague | this sounds so much like a story right out of the days where the church prosecuted ppl |
| 21:50.51 | CosmicPenguin | Too bad we'll miss out on that rich pool of french crackers |
| 21:51.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
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| 22:16.10 | prpplague | TimRiker: lo |
| 22:16.32 | prpplague | TimRiker: Mr. T.I.Nucleus , hehe |
| 22:19.48 | chou|depressed | prpplague: I have a case of "Do I jump off the bridge" |
| 22:22.46 | prpplague | chou|depressed: hehe, well i was about to type "btdt" but i didn't do it, hehe |
| 22:22.56 | chou|depressed | prpplague: lol |
| 22:23.16 | prpplague | chou|depressed: i seriously depressed myself |
| 22:23.25 | prpplague | chou|depressed: this moving biz is stressful |
| 22:23.41 | chou|depressed | i need a fucking job ... and sorry if I offended someone |
| 22:24.07 | chou|depressed | prpplague: i understand ... moving to ottawa was stressful too |
| 22:37.10 | prpplague | duh - ya think ? - http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/03/10/hightech.us.ap/index.html |
