| 00:20.17 | hardwire | wow |
| 00:20.19 | hardwire | unionfs is a 3.3 meg module |
| 00:20.21 | hardwire | thats.. pretty huge |
| 00:21.41 | ljp | debug? |
| 00:25.50 | hardwire | dunno |
| 00:25.54 | kergoth | yeah, their debugging stuff makes it _much_ _much_ bigger |
| 00:26.41 | hardwire | is that 3.3 megs in real memory now? |
| 00:26.45 | hardwire | I only have sooo much ram :) |
| 00:27.09 | kergoth | edit hte makefile |
| 00:27.15 | kergoth | add -DNODEBUG |
| 00:27.20 | kergoth | to the appropriate cflags |
| 00:27.30 | hardwire | oohdanke |
| 00:27.33 | kergoth | thatll shrink it down to a meg or so, iirc |
| 00:27.37 | kergoth | or less |
| 00:27.39 | kergoth | dont recall |
| 00:27.42 | hardwire | ok |
| 00:27.42 | kergoth | but thast what we do in oe |
| 00:27.45 | hardwire | found deb source packages |
| 00:27.49 | hardwire | that made my life slightly easier |
| 00:27.59 | hardwire | http://people.debian.org/~blade/testing/ |
| 00:28.02 | hardwire | I *heart* blade |
| 00:33.13 | hardwire | amerika its wunderbar! |
| 00:34.20 | hardwire | http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Amerika-English-Version-lyrics-Rammstein/31342EA8B4502BFF48256F1000062475 |
| 00:48.14 | hardwire | I bet I could gentoo this into nothingness |
| 00:48.41 | hardwire | or maybe .. someday .. use oe .. |
| 00:48.49 | hardwire | because it would be perfect for this project.. :) |
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| 01:00.41 | hardwire | I think subconciously I listen to the same songs over and over because I fear sampling anything more will fill up my brain. |
| 01:00.52 | hardwire | am I alone on this? |
| 02:23.45 | hardwire | http://www.woodhead.com/products/mobilecomputing/mig380/ |
| 02:23.47 | hardwire | neat |
| 02:30.26 | fishhead | CANUCK! |
| 02:30.28 | fishhead | hey man :) |
| 02:33.50 | hardwire | kitty on my foooooot |
| 02:39.07 | hardwire | damnit |
| 02:39.19 | hardwire | why is unionfs not freaking compiling |
| 02:39.44 | hardwire | it doth not like 2.6.8ith |
| 03:15.29 | ljp | maybe its that cat on yer foot |
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| 05:32.34 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 05:43.31 | hardwire | kergoth: poke. |
| 05:43.57 | hardwire | probably passed out in a pile of kerg poo by now. |
| 05:44.28 | hardwire | I wonder how I could best use this scenario in stereo. |
| 06:00.09 | hardwire | grub really needs cramfs support |
| 06:00.23 | hardwire | I don't want to give access to my /boot |
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| 06:03.11 | divbyzero | howdy |
| 07:26.50 | kergoth | hardwire: you needed something? |
| 07:32.28 | divbyzero | anyone here messed around with any ARM920T cips from samsung? |
| 07:32.35 | divbyzero | err chips |
| 07:36.48 | divbyzero | hrm...what I thought...wow I guess even the hard to surprise Flea would be surprised if someone said yes... |
| 07:38.38 | kergoth | eh? |
| 07:38.44 | kergoth | you waited a *gasp* whole 4 minutes? |
| 07:39.01 | kergoth | in all likelihood, the only person in the channel that even read the question in the past four minutes is me |
| 07:39.17 | kergoth | ask the question and wait. not everyone is even at their computers, much less actually having an answer |
| 07:42.12 | divbyzero | really *gasp* <- ?!? no one manning the irc lines in middle of the night?!? I was just posing a question and then being silly...no reason to get all torqued |
| 07:42.59 | kergoth | being a smartass doesnt imply being 'torqued'. if i'm torqued, you'll know it |
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| 13:39.19 | hardwire | too hot |
| 13:39.22 | hardwire | :( |
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| 13:54.55 | hardwire | http://www.superssd.com/products/ramsan-320/ |
| 13:54.57 | hardwire | man that would be fun |
| 14:00.01 | hardwire | http://linuxcompressed.sourceforge.net/ <- never gotten this to work ever.. it would be nice if it was available for 2.6.x |
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| 15:30.53 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:54.17 | T0mW | almost like having a webcam, ain't it? |
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| 15:56.08 | chouimat | T0mW: roftl |
| 15:56.56 | T0mW | chouimat: I was going to go into it more, but, in good taste, who wants to watch a fat man get up in the morning? .... fat woman maybe |
| 15:57.11 | T0mW | I finally hit the treadmill yesterday |
| 15:58.19 | T0mW | I've been getting up these past two weeks with the thought of going down to the fitness center and renewing my membership. I finally did that Friday and yesterday I did two miles on the treadmill. |
| 15:58.25 | T0mW | wore my ass out! |
| 15:58.56 | raddx | heh |
| 15:59.00 | raddx | how long did that take? |
| 15:59.13 | T0mW | 34 minuts |
| 15:59.14 | chouimat | T0mW: actually if their guys who love to watch fat women I bet there is girls who like fat men ... |
| 15:59.21 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:59.25 | chouimat | T0mW: ;) |
| 15:59.29 | T0mW | I get some nice hugs |
| 16:00.00 | T0mW | Marie has this look in her eye that I can't figure out what is going in that mind of hers. |
| 16:00.17 | T0mW | tough-girl Marie. :) |
| 16:00.32 | chouimat | T0mW: don't try ... you will rot your brain |
| 16:00.48 | T0mW | yeah, just wait an see what she figures out. |
| 16:01.18 | Crofton | Any webpal experts handy? |
| 16:01.22 | T0mW | meanwhile, I plan to do that two miles each day, if it kills me. I hate carrying this weight around. |
| 16:01.44 | T0mW | Crofton: well, ask your question, maybe somebody knows the answer. |
| 16:01.47 | Crofton | If it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger! |
| 16:01.54 | Crofton | Well, I just bought one |
| 16:02.17 | Crofton | I'd like to get u-boot in it, because I understand it |
| 16:02.30 | T0mW | Crofton: http://www.openhardware.net/?title=WebPal%20Project%20page&dir=webpal&file=index.html |
| 16:02.32 | Crofton | I'd also like to buy the extra flash chip and expand the falsh |
| 16:02.41 | T0mW | Crofton: don't bother |
| 16:03.03 | T0mW | Crofton: you'll only get a wimpy 2 meg out of the flash array. |
| 16:03.15 | Crofton | yeah, but it is cheap :) |
| 16:03.27 | Crofton | and I can do it |
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| 16:04.07 | Crofton | Can you use the TV display? |
| 16:04.08 | T0mW | Crofton: the unit has an IDE port on it, figure some what that will work for you to program the flash, then use an IDE --> CF adapter to put a "large hard drive" into it. Build a boot loader that will boot the CF. |
| 16:04.19 | T0mW | Crofton: yes, that works |
| 16:04.35 | Crofton | 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:05.13 | T0mW | the video isn't too bad, prolly get an 8x11 or 9x12 font (acorn) on the screen. I was mainly concerned with booting from CF. |
| 16:05.19 | T0mW | Crofton: 2.4 |
| 16:05.21 | Crofton | ah |
| 16:05.32 | Crofton | Yeah I just want to fool around with this |
| 16:05.40 | Crofton | cheap hardware to play with |
| 16:05.57 | T0mW | Crofton: blob has code to boot from an ext2 filesystem from a CF, that code is only working with a 2.4 kernel. |
| 16:06.29 | Crofton | yeah, it looks like people got it working then the supply dried up :) |
| 16:06.31 | T0mW | Crofton: http://www.openhardware.net/?title=simm%20adapter%20for%20EMP30&project=webpal&file=Needham-perf.jpg |
| 16:07.09 | Crofton | Yeah, programming the SIMM flash looks to be interesting |
| 16:07.10 | T0mW | you have to bring out the READY/BUSY line to program the flash, IIRC. |
| 16:07.56 | T0mW | there isn't enough room in the flash to really program it locally, I figured just pull the simm and do it externally. |
| 16:08.09 | Crofton | yeah |
| 16:08.29 | Crofton | It is just a matter of reading enought to find a programmer I can acquire |
| 16:08.33 | T0mW | Crofton: the buildroot, from CVS, prolly works. Haven't played with the unit in a while |
| 16:09.04 | Crofton | I can't decide what to do with it |
| 16:09.15 | Crofton | It will likely not be so hot on TV |
| 16:09.26 | Crofton | but might make a webserver |
| 16:09.36 | T0mW | sorphin put together a PIC unit to program his flash, dunno how that worked out. Sorphin is getting married, buying house etc. So hasn't been around lately. |
| 16:09.45 | Crofton | heh |
| 16:09.50 | Crofton | yeah that takes alot of time |
| 16:10.00 | T0mW | it's a good unit to tinker with an learn something of ARM |
| 16:10.13 | Crofton | yeah, that's what I'm looking for |
| 16:10.26 | T0mW | brb |
| 16:10.42 | Crofton | ok, I should go do real stuff |
| 16:10.49 | Crofton | Thanks for the info |
| 16:15.48 | T0mW | Crofton: take a look at CrossTool to build your toolchain, that seems to work fairly well. Although, it does not use uClibc but a glibc. |
| 16:15.53 | T0mW | or newlib |
| 16:16.23 | T0mW | There was some patchcode for an earlier release candidate that used uClibc. |
| 16:16.55 | T0mW | uClibc has smaller footprint and supports busybox directly. |
| 16:17.32 | Crofton | yeah, I need to fool with uclibc for some OMAP work |
| 16:17.51 | Crofton | but our code is c++ bloatware and I am concerned uclibc won't deal with that |
| 16:17.59 | Crofton | But I haven't tried either |
| 16:18.26 | Crofton | And I think our 5912OSK croaked last week |
| 16:19.10 | T0mW | I'm in the mode of playing with ARM, I'd picked up TuxScreens, webpals and now LPD LH7A400 + LH79520 ARM systems, just to learn various things. Nothing substantial has resulted, but a lot of knowledge + confidence. |
| 16:19.44 | Crofton | yeah, I gained alot just getting a 2.6 kernel in the OSK and building root filesystem with OE |
| 16:20.10 | T0mW | I'm ready to put 2.6 into an embedded system yet. I don't see the advantage. |
| 16:20.47 | T0mW | 2.4 is pretty well thumped out and you need something reliable for a system that will run unattended. |
| 16:20.57 | Crofton | For me it is just closer to the environment I sue on my desktop |
| 16:21.04 | T0mW | shrug |
| 16:21.17 | Crofton | and I am an academic, so we do short lived demonstrators |
| 16:21.43 | T0mW | Crofton: yeah, I'm an engineer so my stuff has to run for years |
| 16:21.49 | Crofton | Heh |
| 16:21.52 | Crofton | I've been there |
| 16:22.22 | T0mW | I like building stuff that gets used in real-world scenarios |
| 16:22.29 | Crofton | Of course the "business" people insisted on the use of windows so I got out of that line of work |
| 16:23.00 | Crofton | Our group is trying to do more real work and less MATLAB simulations :) |
| 16:23.36 | Crofton | We can do some neat stuff, and if it works other people can worry about making it suitable for the real world |
| 16:24.07 | T0mW | I still haven't done any commercial linux stuff though, it looks like the next project will be ARM based, but that will be Thumb code... |
| 16:24.55 | T0mW | At least the stuff that I've learned so far about development environments under Linux will come into play. |
| 16:25.02 | Crofton | cool |
| 16:25.19 | divbyzero | howdy folks |
| 16:25.30 | Crofton | I just have to make sure we get enough funded linux projects :) |
| 16:25.31 | T0mW | yeah, I want it to be gcc + gdb and an Abatron BDI-2000 for the debug. |
| 16:26.05 | T0mW | Crofton: yeah, or just do the shit at home and hope you can weasel it into the class |
| 16:26.12 | Crofton | heh |
| 16:26.12 | divbyzero | i been doing quite a bit of ARM embedded work lately and trying to find others out there using linux |
| 16:26.13 | Crofton | yeah |
| 16:26.27 | Crofton | what hw? |
| 16:26.33 | T0mW | divbyzero: well, there is a bunch of people here doing the same thing |
| 16:26.38 | divbyzero | and if they have been successful in getting 2.6 running at all on 920T type |
| 16:27.05 | T0mW | I don't think anyone here is using 2.6 on an embedded platform |
| 16:27.09 | Crofton | I have 2.6 running on a 5912 OSK, |
| 16:27.18 | divbyzero | hrm |
| 16:27.37 | Crofton | http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/OSK |
| 16:27.41 | divbyzero | was being lazy mainly |
| 16:27.41 | Crofton | Does this count? |
| 16:27.54 | divbyzero | i did not want to rewrite my drivers |
| 16:28.04 | T0mW | divbyzero: do you subscribe to LAK ? |
| 16:28.12 | divbyzero | no |
| 16:28.40 | T0mW | divbyzero: do it, that is where most of the cutting edge people hang out: linux Arm Kernel mailing list |
| 16:28.53 | divbyzero | ahh cool thanks for the info |
| 16:29.17 | T0mW | there is a lot of X-Scale and ARM9 work going on there. |
| 16:29.29 | divbyzero | i got two pretty big side projects sitting in dust until I can get my drivers working well |
| 16:29.36 | Crofton | The OSK has a ARM926EJ-s on it |
| 16:29.53 | T0mW | divbyzero: word of advice, if Russel King tells you something don't argue with him, it is his mailing list and he has a short fuse. hheh |
| 16:30.02 | Crofton | heh |
| 16:30.14 | divbyzero | oh ok |
| 16:30.45 | T0mW | IIRC, the ARM stuff in now folded into the 2.6 kernel sources. |
| 16:30.52 | divbyzero | yah i saw |
| 16:30.54 | T0mW | ftp.kernel.org |
| 16:31.01 | T0mW | that's the proven stuff |
| 16:32.47 | T0mW | ARM710, ARM720, ARM9 differ only in the instruction set to some degree and hardware differnces. The differnces are not that remarkable though. Like the bit SET / CLEAR of the ARM7 uses descrete locations while the ARM9 uses them like standard ports. |
| 16:32.50 | divbyzero | i got to find if anyone has patched it for samsung arm920t i.e. something like a s3c2410x |
| 16:33.38 | T0mW | divbyzero: join the list, search the archives to see if anyone else is doing it, if not ask on the list. |
| 16:34.21 | divbyzero | in this case they differ because of the odd glue on the board and one of the ones I am using has to be as maskrom |
| 16:34.24 | T0mW | usually head.S and the MMU setup differ between families |
| 16:34.40 | divbyzero | which maskrom = expensive = stupid = oh well |
| 16:35.44 | Crofton | divbyzero, my copy of 2.6 has a directory arch/arm/s3c2410 |
| 16:35.54 | divbyzero | cool |
| 16:36.03 | T0mW | yeah, well, everyone still seems to think that they have to put some proprietary crap into their design to get you to come back to them for something ($$$). Logic Product Development has their fscking CPLD on the board that they won't release the VHDL source for... |
| 16:36.16 | divbyzero | then I should be able to patch it for the glue |
| 16:36.39 | divbyzero | yes the board clabsys has has a xilinx chip also |
| 16:36.50 | T0mW | you have a jtag debugger? |
| 16:36.59 | divbyzero | luckly it is on the boundary scan chain |
| 16:37.04 | divbyzero | at tp1 |
| 16:37.05 | T0mW | k |
| 16:37.17 | divbyzero | tp0 is the arm |
| 16:37.32 | divbyzero | nice little cheap arm board btw |
| 16:37.56 | T0mW | yeah, ARM is cheap. It is almost like the 8051 / 68HC11 stuff |
| 16:38.05 | divbyzero | if you are looking for one cheap enough to knock around and not be scared to fry cuz you cant get a hold of expensive as hell bdi2000 |
| 16:38.20 | divbyzero | to reprogram |
| 16:38.41 | T0mW | divbyzero: yeah, I'm trying to price a new project out so that I can get a bdi-2000 for my own. |
| 16:38.49 | divbyzero | hehehe |
| 16:39.04 | divbyzero | i have tried sooo many times in bids to price in one |
| 16:39.34 | divbyzero | i have found with this board a wiggler will work well |
| 16:39.36 | T0mW | I'll find out Monday, he said 10K for the project, I said 18K, so Monday I should get his counter offer... |
| 16:39.50 | divbyzero | and wiggler = free |
| 16:39.51 | file[laptop] | 14K! |
| 16:40.10 | T0mW | file: naw, then I'll go 16K |
| 16:40.18 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:40.31 | divbyzero | yah nice ice setup will be 8k |
| 16:40.31 | T0mW | at least we are finally dickering over price |
| 16:40.44 | T0mW | why 8k? |
| 16:41.32 | divbyzero | the place i was looking at was expensive....it included quite bit though |
| 16:41.40 | divbyzero | i think bdi2k was about 2k |
| 16:41.45 | T0mW | yeah |
| 16:41.58 | T0mW | but doens' that use gcc / gdb ? |
| 16:42.11 | divbyzero | what bdi? |
| 16:42.13 | T0mW | all you would need is the gdb drivers, right? |
| 16:43.03 | divbyzero | for bbdi i saw you need bdi box itself cables powersuplly and gdb for it |
| 16:43.22 | T0mW | AFAIK, the BDI-2000 would only need the driver code to slap into gdb sources and compile. |
| 16:43.31 | divbyzero | err holding child talking on irc hard :( |
| 16:43.53 | T0mW | I'm still waiting for an answer from Abatron sales about the gdb support. |
| 16:44.49 | divbyzero | anyone tried embest? |
| 16:45.02 | T0mW | well, that is my one goal for this year. Get a good source line debugger environ setup. The Abatron unit looks to be the best bet so far. |
| 16:46.53 | T0mW | divbyzero: wiggler based? |
| 16:47.44 | T0mW | gak! for $500 ? |
| 16:48.09 | T0mW | I'd just a soon pay $2k for the dbi2000 and know I have a good tool.. |
| 16:48.31 | T0mW | I like the ethernet aspect of the bdi |
| 16:50.21 | T0mW | I was hoping that I could get a wiggler running with gdb so that I would have *something* to do debug with until I could get something better. But, there doesn't seem to be a lot of info about remote debugging using gdb. |
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| 22:56.42 | Sgt-Donan | hi |
| 22:59.29 | Sgt-Donan | i cannot cross compile my linux kernel for m68k at the end of the compilation it generate an error |
| 23:00.09 | Sgt-Donan | /usr/local/src/linux-2.4.28/include/linux/init.h:134: detected recursion whilst expanding macro "__inline__" |
| 23:10.37 | T0mW | Sgt-Donan: yeah, it is all smoke, mirrors and magic to compile gcc for a cross. |
| 23:10.52 | T0mW | Sgt-Donan: did you inquire on the uclinux mailing list? |
| 23:11.55 | Sgt-Donan | no |
| 23:12.54 | Sgt-Donan | it's not a gcc-uclibc |
| 23:13.10 | T0mW | Sgt-Donan: you can try crosstool: http://kegel.com/crosstool/ |
| 23:13.17 | Sgt-Donan | i use the kegel package to create the cross compiler |
| 23:13.19 | T0mW | that is glibc |
| 23:13.21 | T0mW | or newlib |
| 23:13.23 | Sgt-Donan | yes |
| 23:13.32 | Sgt-Donan | :) |
| 23:13.54 | T0mW | there was a patch to a recent release candidate that would use uClibc as well. |
| 23:14.16 | T0mW | I've had good luck with it building ARM-linux-gcc tools |
| 23:14.35 | Sgt-Donan | for m68k ? |
| 23:15.14 | T0mW | ARM ? naw that's not 68K, last time I used m68k was with PIC (program in place) |
| 23:16.02 | T0mW | you might want to look at the matrix before you start, some gcc versions cross compile better than others for a particular platform (chip). |
| 23:16.07 | T0mW | http://kegel.com/crosstool/crosstool-0.28-rc37/buildlogs/0.28/ |
| 23:16.33 | T0mW | hmm, doesn't look good for you m68k... |
| 23:17.10 | Sgt-Donan | :/ |
| 23:17.28 | Sgt-Donan | it's only 2.6.8 kernel |
| 23:17.46 | Sgt-Donan | for the 2.4.x it's better |
| 23:17.52 | T0mW | maybe those guys over at uClinux (not uClibc) have some ready to use tools, Gerg usually has a page somewhere with tools and such, or Dave McCullough might. |
| 23:17.59 | Sgt-Donan | the compilation stop at the begining on 2.6 |
| 23:18.10 | T0mW | probably good reason |
| 23:18.16 | T0mW | 2.6 is still not stable |
| 23:18.29 | Sgt-Donan | "stable" |
| 23:18.32 | T0mW | for embedded work, stick with 2.4 |
| 23:18.50 | Sgt-Donan | yes |
| 23:19.08 | Sgt-Donan | it's the reason i choose 2.4.28 kernel |
| 23:19.13 | T0mW | k |
| 23:20.06 | T0mW | why m68k? there is so much ARM chips floating around that run circles around the M68K in performance *and* in price. |
| 23:20.47 | Sgt-Donan | because i'm a student and i must use an MVME 162 board |
| 23:21.06 | Sgt-Donan | for a project for my diplom |
| 23:22.19 | T0mW | :( |
| 23:22.30 | T0mW | professor is a loser, eh? |
| 23:22.35 | Sgt-Donan | lol |
| 23:22.37 | T0mW | heh |
| 23:23.06 | Sgt-Donan | bah i'm happy with this project |
| 23:23.11 | T0mW | that's the problem we were using C back in the 1970's many years before it was taught in the colleges. |
| 23:23.16 | Sgt-Donan | the others have windows project |
| 23:23.35 | T0mW | I still got my little "blue book" |
| 23:23.37 | Sgt-Donan | linux embedded is very interessant |
| 23:23.41 | T0mW | yeh |
| 23:23.53 | T0mW | PITA too |
| 23:25.23 | T0mW | Sgt-Donan: yeh, well, shoot on over to www.uclinux.org and see what they've got over there for a toolset. |
| 23:25.42 | Sgt-Donan | ok |
| 23:26.07 | Sgt-Donan | thx for the help T0mW :) |
| 23:41.45 | fishhead | http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=365&item=LCD-104&type=store |
| 23:41.47 | fishhead | guys |
| 23:41.53 | fishhead | this looks like a deal but you would know more than I do |
| 23:59.05 | Sgt-Donan | bn |
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