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| 01:53.04 | file[laptop] | ibot: file? |
| 01:53.05 | ibot | from memory, file is a robot |
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| 01:57.44 | sjhill | ibot: sjhill? |
| 01:57.45 | ibot | well, sjhill is mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com and a MIPS wh*re, or *the* slackey. |
| 01:58.03 | sjhill | i'll get you sorphin! |
| 02:46.39 | chouimat | night |
| 02:46.44 | sjhill | cu chouimat |
| 02:47.17 | chouimat | sjhill: don't know when ... my mother is probably coming here tomorrow ... |
| 02:47.32 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 02:47.37 | sjhill | well try and have some fun at least |
| 02:47.57 | chouimat | I will try ... |
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| 03:34.16 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 03:34.23 | file[laptop] | it's prpplague! |
| 03:34.41 | sjhill | there goes the neighborhood |
| 03:34.43 | sjhill | i'm leaving |
| 03:34.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:34.57 | hardwire | man this movie is funny |
| 03:35.08 | prpplague | sjhill: how goes it? |
| 03:35.11 | prpplague | file[laptop]: lo |
| 03:35.35 | sjhill | ok |
| 03:35.57 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, getting worn out yet? |
| 03:38.11 | sjhill | slowly, yes |
| 03:38.24 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 03:38.30 | prpplague | sjhill: this your first? |
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| 13:48.35 | prpplague | sjhill / cbrake : lo |
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| 13:50.26 | cbrake | morning prpplague |
| 13:50.47 | cbrake | prpplague: did you start your new job yet? |
| 13:51.09 | prpplague | cbrake: yea, went to my first lecture over the weekend |
| 13:51.16 | prpplague | cbrake: still working for AML too though |
| 13:51.32 | prpplague | cbrake: doing low level stuff, i.e. bootloaders and drivers |
| 13:52.42 | cbrake | prpplague: good -- sounds like you are busy. What all will you be doing in your new position? |
| 13:53.47 | prpplague | cbrake: OSS advocacy |
| 13:54.28 | cbrake | prpplague: wow, and you get paid to do that -- cool :-) |
| 13:55.00 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:57.51 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
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| 14:02.22 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:52.02 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:53.47 | sjhill | it's afternoon where i'm at you insensitive clods |
| 14:53.59 | sjhill | jk |
| 14:54.17 | sjhill | go ahead, guess what kind of day i'm having? |
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| 14:55.12 | CosmicPenguin | happy fun smiley day? |
| 14:55.18 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 14:55.36 | prpplague | sjhill: DoD ppl giving you a hard time? |
| 14:56.17 | sjhill | you know, why don't they just say, "Can we have that for free? Thanks." |
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| 15:02.50 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
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| 15:23.56 | sjhill | does anyone consider themselves good at c++ |
| 15:24.12 | chouimat | sjhill: ? |
| 15:24.35 | sjhill | error: cannot allocate an object of type 'foo' |
| 15:24.40 | sjhill | error: because the following virtual functions are |
| 15:24.42 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.54 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, isn't that kind like saying "i consider myself good at eating dirt" |
| 15:24.56 | sjhill | error: virtual void food_base::foo |
| 15:25.11 | CosmicPenguin | I consider my self skilled at beating myself in the face |
| 15:25.16 | chouimat | sjhill: mean that foo_base::foo is not defined |
| 15:25.26 | sjhill | virtual void foo(int line, int allowed) = 0; |
| 15:25.41 | sjhill | it doesn't like the = 0 thing |
| 15:26.06 | chouimat | sjhill: is pure virtual meanning you have to override it in the subclass |
| 15:26.49 | sjhill | that's fine, but when i go to link i get errors about undefined references in the vtable |
| 15:27.07 | chouimat | sjhill: then virtual .... =0; mean you have only defined the interface which all subclass need to define |
| 15:28.44 | sjhill | oh oh |
| 15:32.38 | sjhill | thx chouimat |
| 15:33.02 | chouimat | sjhill: np ... I just realized that I know c++ than I thought ;) |
| 15:49.31 | sjhill | chouimat: another question |
| 15:49.43 | sjhill | chouimat: boolt = int in c++? |
| 15:49.48 | sjhill | s/boolt/bool/ |
| 15:50.16 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, those other 31 bits keep the 1 bit company |
| 15:51.36 | sjhill | hmm, doesn't seem that way |
| 15:52.48 | chouimat | sjhill: they are converted to int in arithmetic and logical expression |
| 15:53.08 | sjhill | pull.cpp:204: error: prototype for `pull::pull(int, int)' does not match any in class 'pull' |
| 15:53.22 | chouimat | sjhill: they are not int |
| 15:53.26 | sjhill | candidates are |
| 15:53.31 | sjhill | pull:pull(int, bool) |
| 15:53.33 | sjhill | wth? |
| 15:54.12 | sjhill | darn |
| 15:55.01 | sjhill | yet the function in pull.cpp has bool |
| 15:55.06 | sjhill | i do no understand |
| 15:56.14 | CosmicPenguin | odd |
| 15:56.20 | sjhill | exactly |
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| 16:32.23 | cdm | morning. |
| 16:36.11 | CosmicPenguin | thats what you say |
| 16:36.39 | sjhill | more like mourning |
| 16:36.55 | cdm | sucky. |
| 16:37.00 | cdm | you can't run u-boot from RAM. |
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| 16:45.54 | CosmicPenguin | heh - too bad the plague isn't here |
| 16:46.00 | CosmicPenguin | I've got some good corporate stupdity to tell him about |
| 16:47.02 | Crofton | how stupid? |
| 16:48.29 | CosmicPenguin | There is apparently a minor memory leak in mplayer - so the validation team lead is calling a meeting of 7 people, including 2 directors and 2 team leads to discuss what to do |
| 16:49.04 | Crofton | heh |
| 16:49.38 | Crofton | I once saw a damager keep the list of people to be laid off on his c-drive |
| 16:49.46 | Crofton | which was shared to the world |
| 16:50.16 | Crofton | I assume you don't need four people to tell 3 people how to solve the problem |
| 16:50.19 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder what everybody would say if I walked into the meeting with a patched program |
| 16:50.41 | Crofton | probably tell you to stop wasting their time |
| 16:50.46 | sjhill | s/of/off/ |
| 16:51.23 | Crofton | heh, if you don't like corporate stupidity, you choice of places to work isn't very braid |
| 16:51.38 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: this location is just a tad ignorant of the ways of linux at this point... :) |
| 16:51.42 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: its still a good place to work |
| 16:51.44 | Sgt-Donan | re |
| 16:52.01 | Crofton | These sorts of things keep the staph amused |
| 16:52.27 | Crofton | Although I was depressed when the person that read the list said I wasn't on it :) |
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| 17:11.09 | prpplague | hmm, anyone know what kind of bandwidth vonage needs? |
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| 17:22.26 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: that is not good, their being ignorant of open source could make it tougher on you to get work / resources. |
| 17:22.51 | T0mW | s/work/work done/ |
| 17:29.10 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: It wouldn't be any fun if it wasn't challenging |
| 17:29.23 | CosmicPenguin | The best part is that it took me 3 and a half minutes to search the mailing lists and find a patch |
| 17:29.30 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:29.32 | T0mW | yeah yeah |
| 17:29.52 | T0mW | but, if they don't understand the "hole" you need in the corporate firewall... |
| 17:30.08 | CosmicPenguin | no joke |
| 17:30.29 | CosmicPenguin | I had to pratically go to hector to get them to open up incoming cvs |
| 17:31.06 | T0mW | yeah, too bad you cannot step outside the firewall with your box. But, that is sacriligous. BTDT |
| 17:31.25 | CosmicPenguin | They still won't let us have incoming nttp |
| 17:31.40 | T0mW | ooooh big security risk!!! |
| 17:32.41 | CosmicPenguin | I know - I might end up reading the kernel mailing list |
| 17:32.56 | T0mW | the last place I worked as an employee, they have a clown^H^H^H^H^H^H person with MCE cert that install all software. Even on the engineering computers. |
| 17:33.00 | CosmicPenguin | Those open source guys -they're communists you know |
| 17:33.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:34.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i hate when i hear that |
| 17:34.56 | CosmicPenguin | Well really, I just think they're way too concerned I'm going to see a naked lady |
| 17:35.31 | T0mW | yeah, open sourcers live in the woods of Oregon running ancient PCs powered by waterwheel generators. And, beg for food in the town.. |
| 17:36.16 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: naw, just that you are going to show a naked lady to a female employee. |
| 17:36.34 | T0mW | naked lady + dog |
| 17:37.07 | CosmicPenguin | I tell them I'm a geek and my people invented porn on the internet, so its ok |
| 17:37.12 | CosmicPenguin | but they just don't listen |
| 17:38.02 | T0mW | prpplague: so, what are doing? working yet? |
| 17:38.20 | prpplague | T0mW: trying to |
| 17:38.30 | prpplague | T0mW: still having problems getting broadband |
| 17:38.41 | T0mW | prpplague: still chasing a naked Donna around the moon-lit beaches? |
| 17:38.44 | prpplague | T0mW: the broadband is rock solid once you get it |
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| 17:38.54 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, not lately |
| 17:38.59 | T0mW | lol |
| 17:39.00 | prpplague | T0mW: we've been worn out |
| 17:39.30 | prpplague | T0mW: i've been stressed over the broadband, and she's been stressed about setting up house |
| 17:39.49 | CosmicPenguin | time to start drinkin'\ |
| 17:39.51 | T0mW | prpplague: what broadband? DSL, cable? |
| 17:41.11 | T0mW | yeah, I'm thinking about moving to someplace else this year. Broadband connectivity is HIGH on my list of needs. |
| 17:41.49 | T0mW | I'll almost need a coverage map before I decide where I'd like to live next |
| 17:48.20 | prpplague | T0mW: adsl |
| 17:48.52 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, the entire island is covered with adsl, and in most places fiber is available |
| 17:49.01 | prpplague | T0mW: problem is that the customer service sucks |
| 17:49.15 | CosmicPenguin | C&W? |
| 17:49.27 | T0mW | too much ganji |
| 17:50.38 | T0mW | "hey mon, lookida lights are blinkin' so wots the problem mon?" |
| 17:51.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 17:52.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:53.37 | prpplague | T0mW: naw the techies are good, its the clerks and tellers that are pretty lousy here |
| 17:54.19 | T0mW | yeah, you don't need realvideo or be able to download DVDs. if you want entertainment, mon, goto the beaches and look at the beeches, mon. |
| 17:54.35 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:54.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:55.01 | T0mW | prpplague: you are offically located within the backwater of technological revolution |
| 17:55.22 | prpplague | T0mW: well, sorta, barbados is behind on OSS |
| 17:55.30 | prpplague | T0mW: but not the caribbean in general |
| 17:55.49 | prpplague | T0mW: trinidad the next island over is pretty awesome on OSS |
| 17:56.22 | T0mW | prpplague: string wire over to them via coconut floats? |
| 17:57.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:57.18 | CosmicPenguin | That lego disneyland is just plain awesome |
| 17:57.22 | prpplague | T0mW: they have a giant underwater fiber to the states |
| 17:57.32 | T0mW | prpplague: microwave link? 900MHz? Line of sight should work fairly well there and you prolly only need a half watt to make a 10..15 mile link |
| 17:57.36 | prpplague | T0mW: they have about 10 linux companies |
| 17:58.10 | T0mW | microwave will curve across water to connect below the horizon |
| 17:58.23 | CosmicPenguin | how does that work? |
| 17:58.27 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, like i said the adsl is rock solid on most of the islands, its jsut getting it activated is the problem |
| 17:58.41 | T0mW | there is a thermal layer above the water which traps the signal |
| 17:59.24 | CosmicPenguin | neat |
| 17:59.47 | T0mW | it acts as a reflector, we see that on even 440MHz here on the east coast. RF will get trapped in the thermal layer of the mountain faces and travel down to the southern states. |
| 18:00.26 | CosmicPenguin | cool |
| 18:00.31 | CosmicPenguin | is it dependable? |
| 18:00.35 | T0mW | over water, I think it is only 6..8 feet above the waterline |
| 18:00.48 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: depends on distance |
| 18:01.01 | T0mW | thermal refraction |
| 18:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, can you depend on the thermal layer being there? |
| 18:01.07 | T0mW | depends |
| 18:01.07 | CosmicPenguin | or is it like the ionsphere? |
| 18:01.36 | T0mW | similar to ionosphere, conditions vary, but over water, RF generally works well. |
| 18:02.23 | T0mW | remember, a 3 foot dish has a gain of over 100DB |
| 18:02.47 | CosmicPenguin | I understood the words '3' and 'feet' |
| 18:02.55 | CosmicPenguin | s/feet/foot/ |
| 18:02.55 | T0mW | :D |
| 18:03.47 | T0mW | 3db is a 50% increase in signal strength, every 10db is an increase by a factor of 10 in the signal strength. |
| 18:04.03 | T0mW | 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 ... |
| 18:04.35 | CosmicPenguin | so its a powerful sumbitch, is what you're saying |
| 18:04.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when i worked for abcs we did a link between st.thomas and st.croix |
| 18:04.38 | Crofton | 3dB gain is doubling of power |
| 18:05.00 | T0mW | that is why microwave is generally milliwatts of power |
| 18:05.06 | T0mW | Crofton: right, sorry |
| 18:05.08 | Crofton | gain of a dish depends on operating frequency |
| 18:05.16 | Crofton | roughly |
| 18:05.29 | T0mW | Crofton: the size of the dish determines the operating freq |
| 18:05.40 | T0mW | curve fitting |
| 18:05.51 | Crofton | sort of |
| 18:06.27 | Crofton | dish operates at's lots of freq, gain depends on relative sizze of wavelength and diameter |
| 18:06.34 | T0mW | G.R.Jessop "VHF / UHF manual" is a good work for that stuff |
| 18:06.37 | Crofton | there will be a cut freq |
| 18:07.06 | Crofton | http://sina.sharif.ac.ir/~barkeshli/antennas/review/9510_007.htm |
| 18:07.15 | Crofton | make that cur off freq |
| 18:07.54 | T0mW | I wonder if prpplague couldn't just pick up some older commercial microwave gear and setup an island link? |
| 18:08.04 | Crofton | heh |
| 18:08.11 | T0mW | there is enough of that stuff at the Hamfests |
| 18:08.22 | Crofton | get some woks and usb 802.11 nics :) |
| 18:08.37 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:09.07 | T0mW | Donna might get pissed if he steals her pots / pans to setup a link |
| 18:09.16 | Crofton | summary of gain, increases witht the square of D (for fixed f) |
| 18:09.38 | T0mW | moonbounce |
| 18:09.53 | Crofton | or decreases by the square of the wavelength |
| 18:10.08 | Crofton | Some guys used the 140ft dish at Green Banl for that once |
| 18:10.27 | T0mW | tough to modulate at high rates though. Hey, there was an article in QST on how to modulate a 100watt microwave oven to use for moonbounce... |
| 18:10.34 | Crofton | shorter wavelength gives higher gain |
| 18:10.38 | Crofton | when? |
| 18:10.43 | T0mW | microwave ovens operate on 1.8 .. 2.2 GHz |
| 18:10.49 | T0mW | about 8 years ago |
| 18:10.57 | Crofton | damn I missed that |
| 18:11.11 | Sgt-Donan | bon ap |
| 18:11.17 | T0mW | IIRC, they modulated the plate supply current |
| 18:11.27 | prpplague | T0mW: to what end |
| 18:11.29 | prpplague | T0mW: ? |
| 18:11.33 | T0mW | to the klystron tube |
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| 18:11.37 | Crofton | because it is there |
| 18:12.01 | Crofton | TimRiker, you see the post on the omap-linux list about the FRU? |
| 18:12.15 | T0mW | prpplague: it was a low speed CW link, the moon vibrates in it's orbit so you get a lot of signal distortion. |
| 18:13.06 | T0mW | prpplague: you have line of sight to Trinidad? |
| 18:13.21 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, but again, why would i want to do that? |
| 18:13.54 | T0mW | prpplague: you could sidestep your current adsl prob if the service is more reliable on trinidad. |
| 18:14.42 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, naw, the customer service is pretty much the same, seeing how its the same company, hehe |
| 18:14.46 | T0mW | prpplague: perhaps setup your own link, you would need to have it microwave so that you could modulate it at a high data rate |
| 18:14.56 | T0mW | prpplague: sux |
| 18:15.04 | prpplague | T0mW: but the price is good |
| 18:15.21 | prpplague | T0mW: $24.99 for a 1.5mb both ways |
| 18:15.36 | prpplague | sorry thats bbd |
| 18:15.49 | prpplague | ~convert 24.99 bbd to usd |
| 18:16.10 | T0mW | prpplague: for $5k / month you could lease a channel on a satelite. There is a ham repeater network in Canada that does that, they lease a channel on one of the birds to link ham radio repeaters together across Canada. |
| 18:16.13 | prpplague | ~convert 24.99 bds usd |
| 18:16.18 | prpplague | ~convert 24.99 bds to usd |
| 18:16.33 | T0mW | ibot, you awake? |
| 18:16.37 | prpplague | ~exchange 24.99 bds to usd |
| 18:16.46 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:16.50 | prpplague | ~exchange 24.99 bbd to usd |
| 18:16.59 | prpplague | there ya go |
| 18:17.16 | prpplague | $12.56 usd for a 1.5 mb connection |
| 18:17.32 | T0mW | prpplague: you get what you pay for... |
| 18:17.43 | Crofton | ~exchange 2000 lbs usd |
| 18:17.59 | Crofton | ~exchange 2000 gbp usd |
| 18:18.04 | Crofton | ~exchange 2000 gbp to usd |
| 18:18.08 | T0mW | my connection, 2.4mb/s costs me around $40/month, but it is far more reliable. |
| 18:18.14 | prpplague | T0mW: service wise, i agree |
| 18:18.27 | prpplague | T0mW: but actual adsl line are always rock solid |
| 18:18.52 | T0mW | prpplague: what is it, the service is up and down, or sometimes fast othertimes slow but always there? |
| 18:19.19 | T0mW | I could go with slow but reliable |
| 18:19.42 | T0mW | no, forget slow, nevermind |
| 18:20.28 | T0mW | prpplague: I went on a men's retreat weekend. It was great! |
| 18:21.06 | T0mW | prpplague: saturday night, a bunch of us got together and told jokes, talked about sex + women, it was good |
| 18:22.09 | T0mW | prpplague: a guy talked about the time they were drunk on a beach and talked "one legged Bob" into painting his leg red and come stumbling out of the surf yelling "shark! shark!" |
| 18:23.16 | T0mW | needless to say, one legged Bob started a panic, the beach police wrestled him down. When they discovered he was okay, they beat the shit out of him and threw him in jail |
| 18:24.06 | T0mW | 10days later, Bob got out of jail and demand, from his buddies, for his $50 for doing the gag |
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| 19:01.40 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.cafepress.com/wmeanswtf |
| 19:01.52 | CosmicPenguin | heh - cafepress rules - mkay? |
| 19:11.54 | hardwire | I like the shirt description |
| 19:14.07 | CosmicPenguin | Cool - we might soon have city wide wireless |
| 19:14.12 | CosmicPenguin | that would rock and/or roll |
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| 19:40.19 | hardwire | for a city of .. 500 people :) |
| 19:40.28 | chouimat | hardwire: cool :) |
| 19:40.39 | hardwire | its a pain |
| 19:40.41 | hardwire | it reall yis |
| 19:40.55 | chouimat | ok me going back to be bored |
| 19:42.37 | hardwire | ook |
| 19:43.01 | hardwire | my wireless keyboard has gone crazy again |
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| 20:51.59 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: nobody home to sign for it, how sad |
| 20:52.22 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: thats about right for this particular adventure |
| 20:52.38 | CosmicPenguin | Your neighbor get it? |
| 20:52.49 | file[laptop] | no |
| 20:53.02 | file[laptop] | it'll be delivered again tomorrow |
| 20:53.41 | CosmicPenguin | Then you'll get it at night, and you'll have to stare at it until I get into work on Thursday |
| 20:54.01 | file[laptop] | I'll get it probably around 6PM tomorrow |
| 20:54.12 | file[laptop] | you should send me notes/URLs/blah |
| 20:54.44 | CosmicPenguin | You'll need this page then - http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_11363,00.html |
| 20:54.57 | file[laptop] | ooh ooh ooh |
| 20:55.37 | CosmicPenguin | I can't officially promise you that the patch will apply against newer kernels, but I do believe they will |
| 20:55.51 | file[laptop] | boo official |
| 20:56.42 | CosmicPenguin | Also, unoffically, the xfree patch will go into xorg without much complaint |
| 20:57.38 | file[laptop] | uh huh |
| 20:58.21 | CosmicPenguin | though you're probably not going to be doing much in the way of purty graphics |
| 20:59.12 | file[laptop] | corrrrrrrrect |
| 21:00.29 | CosmicPenguin | And though it uses a 586 instruction set, you should build for 386 or 486 as the pipelining is different then the pentium |
| 21:00.37 | CosmicPenguin | So the 586 assembly code is actually slower |
| 21:00.49 | CosmicPenguin | at least in glibc, thats the case |
| 21:04.57 | CosmicPenguin | I build for 486 in OE, and I'm quite happy with that |
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| 21:10.09 | THeli | hey guys, anyone know whats the right way to spawn a shell through busybox? currently i have a /bin/sh in my init script of initrd, but this wont let me kill any procs since the shell also seems to die with the process |
| 21:11.41 | CosmicPenguin | that was confusing |
| 21:12.16 | THeli | CosmicPenguin, which part, i can explain further? |
| 21:12.44 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - so you are talking about the the /linuxrc in your initrd, right? |
| 21:13.09 | THeli | ah, yes similar, but its called init .. i think linuxrc is depreciated or something in the new fedora 3 based kernels |
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| 21:13.37 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, whatever |
| 21:13.42 | THeli | yup |
| 21:13.52 | CosmicPenguin | And then you're firing a shell from that? |
| 21:14.03 | THeli | yea, using busybox's sh |
| 21:14.33 | CosmicPenguin | so at this point, you're still running as process 1 |
| 21:15.03 | THeli | yes, i believe so |
| 21:15.31 | THeli | PID 1 is /bin/nash /init |
| 21:15.41 | THeli | (from ps output once i am in shell) |
| 21:15.47 | CosmicPenguin | And you're upset that you don't have any job control, right? |
| 21:16.04 | THeli | yea :/ |
| 21:16.27 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think you can have job control in that situation - I'm not really sure the techincal reasons behind it |
| 21:16.35 | THeli | because now it seems like killing any process also kills the main proc |
| 21:17.17 | THeli | how does the job control get enabled usually? |
| 21:18.01 | CosmicPenguin | This is the code from ash.c: |
| 21:18.11 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.11 | CosmicPenguin | out: |
| 21:18.11 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.28 | THeli | ah, yes i did get that error |
| 21:18.33 | CosmicPenguin | Probably because the shell doesn't have a controlling terminal |
| 21:19.11 | THeli | i just noticed busybox has a /sbin/init which can parse init.d scripts.. i think that might be the way to go.. by having a script for some runlevel |
| 21:19.21 | THeli | will give it a try.. thank you cosmic |
| 21:19.30 | CosmicPenguin | not a problem |
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| 21:33.05 | THeli | CosmicPenguin, that worked :) |
| 21:33.21 | CosmicPenguin | THeli: good - I think the problem was that you wern't tied to a ttyX |
| 21:33.26 | THeli | CosmicPenguin, i spawned a /sbin/init and made a init.d/rcS script... also i didnt have tty |
| 21:33.28 | THeli | haha yes! |
| 21:33.35 | THeli | i now made some tty and it works |
| 21:33.50 | THeli | lol.. the real problem was the tty device |
| 21:34.03 | CosmicPenguin | before, it was probably tying to /dev/console... :) |
| 21:34.06 | THeli | ok sweet.. i have a firewire bus snooper now |
| 21:34.24 | THeli | whats /dev/console? is that not tty0 ? |
| 21:34.52 | CosmicPenguin | Not always, I don't think... |
| 21:34.59 | CosmicPenguin | I've never been very clear on how all that operates |
| 21:35.11 | CosmicPenguin | And of course, it keeps changing on me |
| 21:35.59 | THeli | i c.. i am testing the liveCD in vmware. so may be console is something which hooks to vmware's fb |
| 21:40.57 | THeli | do you know how i can automatically load the network card driver module based on where livecd is used? |
| 21:41.17 | THeli | i currently insmod e1000 manually once i get into shell |
| 21:59.22 | CosmicPenguin | yes> |
| 21:59.27 | file[laptop] | just checking |
| 22:03.29 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sitting here looking at a bug that I *know* I've debugged before, but for the life of me can't figure out what I did |
| 22:03.36 | file[laptop] | awww |
| 22:06.06 | CosmicPenguin | Was that a pity awwww? |
| 22:06.33 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 22:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | I preciate thaat |
| 22:14.56 | Sgt-Donan | bn |
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| 22:58.09 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it when I have bug dejavu |
| 23:00.37 | TimRiker | Crofton: yep. not yet tried the with/without serial reflashing. I'm pretty sure I had my serial cable hooked up with minicom un my x86 linux box watching the port when I reflashed. I did just reflash an osk331 that way and it worked fine. |
| 23:01.24 | Crofton | I haven't broke the OSK yet so I haven't had a chance to try it |
| 23:02.15 | Crofton | what's an osk331? |
| 23:03.42 | TimRiker | Crofton: internal board. omap331 is a 5912 without a dsp. |
| 23:03.53 | Crofton | useless :) |
| 23:04.33 | Crofton | Got any omap2 boards I could have ? |
| 23:04.54 | TimRiker | osk331 is like an osk5912 but has the other chip, and a sd slot instead of the CF. some mux differences, USB-B instead of a USB-A connector. so it's "mostly" the same. |
| 23:05.12 | TimRiker | nope. don't have any omap2 hardware. |
| 23:05.17 | Crofton | bummer |
| 23:05.29 | Crofton | I need a USB2.0 interface |
| 23:06.06 | Crofton | I'm going to give myself an ulcer figuring out how to make the USRP speak to a USB1.1 machine |
| 23:06.07 | TimRiker | that would be nice. |
| 23:06.29 | Crofton | yep |
| 23:06.35 | TimRiker | not the ulcer... usb2. ;-) |
| 23:06.48 | Crofton | yep, I figured that :) |
| 23:07.04 | Crofton | Need to figure cypress FX2 and likely VHDL in this FPGA |
| 23:28.15 | Crofton | Go for it |
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