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| 02:12.38 | sjhill | hi file[laptop] |
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| 02:13.34 | sjhill | working on NPTL |
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| 12:43.34 | Crofton | What is the difference between NAND and NOR flash? (Yes I know about NAND and NOR gates) |
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| 13:01.29 | cbrake_hm_away | Crofton: NOR flash is more like standard ROM and every cell works -- less complex. |
| 13:03.03 | cbrake | Crofton: NAND flash can have bad blocks, and usually does not have a ROM type (random access) interface -- more complex to manage, but cost is usually lower. |
| 13:04.16 | cbrake | Crofton: NOR flash is more like EPROM, NAND flash is more like a hard drive. |
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| 15:53.52 | Crofton | Thanks for the explanation regarding NAND/NOR, so it has nothing to do with the logic gates then? |
| 15:55.02 | CosmicPenguin | I think on some sub-atomic level it does, but nothing that we care about.... :) |
| 15:55.22 | Crofton | Heh, this has really been bugging me :) |
| 15:55.26 | chouimat | Bender: "Blackmail's such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The X makes it sound cool." |
| 15:55.43 | Crofton | maybe it has something to do with the way the cells are constructed |
| 15:55.50 | prpplague | morning crack babies |
| 15:56.03 | CosmicPenguin | crack daddy! |
| 15:56.05 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
| 15:56.13 | Crofton | where NAND is less reliable, requires fewer gates, thus the need for more complex control systems |
| 15:56.37 | Crofton | speaking of crack, time for cold medecine |
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| 16:38.15 | cbrake | Crofton: lots more issues w/ NAND -- more difficult to boot from, software has to manage bad blocks, etc. But, it is supposed to be cheaper. |
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| 17:24.35 | TimRiker | cbrake: in larger sizes, it is. |
| 17:25.43 | TimRiker | course if you need to add a NOR anyway just to boot, then the cost savings is gone. chips like the omap series support booting from flash using a rom based bootloader right in the cpu. ;-) |
| 17:26.12 | TimRiker | I hear the cirrus chips have a similar feature. |
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| 17:33.39 | Sgt-Donan | re |
| 17:43.00 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: you're a OSSish kind of guy - any recommentations on a web site that details the Right Way (tm) to write a Changelog? |
| 17:43.40 | TimRiker | well, there are many Right Ways. ;-) |
| 17:44.04 | CosmicPenguin | If I had a brain dead developer who looked at me dumb when I said the word Changelog..... |
| 17:44.52 | TimRiker | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog might be a good start |
| 17:45.28 | CosmicPenguin | sweet... :) |
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| 17:45.31 | CosmicPenguin | Thanks |
| 17:46.01 | prpplague | so who's familiar with monotone |
| 17:46.14 | prpplague | ? |
| 17:46.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: kergoth has been exploring all of those in huge detail |
| 17:51.35 | Crofton | If we can't bug Linus about subversion, we should all go bug kergoth |
| 17:52.14 | cbrake_hm_away | TimRiker: cool. Have not used any of the new omaps yet. Still in Intel PXA land. |
| 17:53.03 | TimRiker | http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Change-Logs is likely what you want. |
| 17:53.10 | Crofton | Someone get me an omap that does USB2 so I don't have to learn vhdl |
| 17:54.08 | TimRiker | Crofton: some omap2 cores are supposed to have usb2 but I don't have any. =( |
| 17:54.31 | Crofton | me neither :) |
| 17:55.26 | Crofton | Guess I need to go find a vhdl book then |
| 17:59.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: need to show you thin client guys this http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/esfia_m170s_open.jpg |
| 17:59.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: four serial ports - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8717355241.html |
| 18:02.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nice - a little fat though |
| 18:03.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: in what way? |
| 18:03.45 | CosmicPenguin | size |
| 18:03.52 | CosmicPenguin | Its a biggg board |
| 18:04.20 | CosmicPenguin | lots of open plastic - but I assume thats for add on modules |
| 18:05.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i think thats just a dev board |
| 18:06.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but the fact that it has 4 serial ports rocks |
| 18:07.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not that the physical footprint is too bad, after all you would have a cash drawer, so put it on top |
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| 19:04.19 | prpplague | sjhill: hey mr.grumpy |
| 19:04.19 | prpplague | sjhill: things going any better? |
| 19:04.25 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:05.03 | sjhill | not really |
| 19:12.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:34.30 | cdm | prp: You on the island now? |
| 19:37.39 | prpplague | yep |
| 19:37.59 | prpplague | cdm: been here for a little over two week |
| 19:42.46 | prpplague | cdm: hehe, your folks still down here? |
| 19:43.54 | cdm | nah - they are actually in L.A. now for a conference. |
| 19:44.01 | cdm | I am flying down to meet them on Saturday. |
| 19:44.13 | prpplague | oh |
| 19:44.24 | prpplague | see if you can find out where they stayed |
| 19:44.27 | prpplague | i'm curious |
| 19:44.34 | cdm | sure. |
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| 20:27.47 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: guess what made it |
| 20:28.27 | CosmicPenguin | guess who forgot his paypal information |
| 20:33.40 | file[laptop] | this is NICE |
| 20:33.46 | file[laptop] | two screws and the entire board pops out |
| 20:36.02 | prpplague | file[laptop]: hehe, still waiting on my adsl line so i can test my vonage phone |
| 20:38.07 | file[laptop] | prpplague: this is interesting |
| 20:38.18 | file[laptop] | when it starts up it says Drive 80: 262MB |
| 20:38.53 | prpplague | drive 80 is ofcourse the old x86 bios setting for custom config for the h/c/s |
| 20:39.53 | file[laptop] | yeah, it's the 262MB that makes me raise an eyebrow |
| 20:52.14 | file[laptop] | I have no clue how this got through without more customs fees |
| 20:59.33 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: yeah - thats a bug... :) |
| 21:00.06 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: uh huh |
| 21:00.15 | CosmicPenguin | It should say on the DOM what the size is -You'll see a MD###-D<size> |
| 21:00.21 | file[laptop] | yeah need to open it up again |
| 21:00.36 | CosmicPenguin | you didn't leave it open? :) |
| 21:00.42 | file[laptop] | nah :p |
| 21:00.59 | file[laptop] | any other suggestions? |
| 21:01.22 | CosmicPenguin | for? |
| 21:01.40 | file[laptop] | ...anything |
| 21:01.44 | file[laptop] | btw, this is a really cute board |
| 21:01.51 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, where is my sip stack? :p |
| 21:02.16 | file[laptop] | ha |
| 21:02.27 | prpplague | kergoth: which scm app is OE moving towards? |
| 21:02.35 | file[laptop] | can you get the serial number in Linux of the thing btw |
| 21:02.57 | CosmicPenguin | serial number of... the device? |
| 21:03.00 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 21:03.05 | file[laptop] | bah |
| 21:03.08 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think its encoded anywhere |
| 21:03.42 | CosmicPenguin | You can get the information from the processor of course, and the south bridge |
| 21:03.57 | CosmicPenguin | cpuinfo will be fully filled out |
| 21:04.04 | file[laptop] | k |
| 21:04.14 | file[laptop] | I need to get Linux on this badboy |
| 21:04.16 | file[laptop] | cause right now, it's blank |
| 21:04.30 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 21:04.39 | CosmicPenguin | You see know why I recommended a CF reader |
| 21:04.46 | CosmicPenguin | the DOM is difficult to flash |
| 21:05.23 | kergoth | prpplague: no decision on that has been made yet. still reviewing and testing possibilities |
| 21:05.33 | CosmicPenguin | USB floppy would be fine |
| 21:05.37 | CosmicPenguin | USB key would be great too |
| 21:05.43 | file[laptop] | I've got both :) |
| 21:05.54 | file[laptop] | my watch is a flash drive |
| 21:06.07 | CosmicPenguin | Or even a CF reader would work |
| 21:06.15 | file[laptop] | really? that's crazy talk |
| 21:06.27 | CosmicPenguin | welcome to the internet age |
| 21:09.55 | prpplague | kergoth: monotone on the list? |
| 21:14.10 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: this is really a 256 |
| 21:14.23 | file[laptop] | MD1171-D256 |
| 21:14.57 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 21:15.03 | CosmicPenguin | thats going to work out real well for you |
| 21:18.08 | file[laptop] | you basically didn't really know what they'd send eh? |
| 21:20.54 | CosmicPenguin | I have 6 of those in my office right now, all of them have different DOM and ram sizes |
| 21:21.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, that project you did for whatshisname, the fltk app for questionares |
| 21:21.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did it have an option for ncurse/text based? |
| 21:22.00 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: quick, where can I get a disk image or make one uber-cheap? |
| 21:22.23 | prpplague | a disk image? |
| 21:22.30 | file[laptop] | something. |
| 21:22.50 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... good question |
| 21:23.04 | file[laptop] | uber-fast rather |
| 21:24.33 | kergoth | prpplague: yep, thats what i'm playing with at the moment |
| 21:24.54 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm considering trying OE again |
| 21:25.19 | CosmicPenguin | Embedded Debian doesn't have any pre-made images> |
| 21:25.19 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 21:25.34 | file[laptop] | there's an embedded debian? that's cool |
| 21:25.51 | file[laptop] | I really had no idea |
| 21:27.27 | CosmicPenguin | Doesn't andersee have uclibc based images? That would be a good first step |
| 21:27.41 | file[laptop] | I shall poke him to death! |
| 21:27.47 | CosmicPenguin | Or you can build yourself one with OE - I'll toss up a kernel build |
| 21:27.50 | CosmicPenguin | s/build/bb/ |
| 21:28.04 | file[laptop] | kernel isn't too bad, the patches are in mainstream in 2.6 for the geode stuff |
| 21:28.13 | CosmicPenguin | not for that platform |
| 21:28.24 | file[laptop] | too new? |
| 21:28.33 | CosmicPenguin | don't get me started |
| 21:28.42 | file[laptop] | that makes me sad |
| 21:31.30 | kergoth | prpplague: monotone seems promising. arch/tla/baz has seroius user interface problems. svn isnt peer to peer, though you can do it with svk, it isnt a feature of the scm tool itself. thats how things stand atm. |
| 21:32.42 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 21:32.47 | prpplague | kergoth: well i was planning to dl monotone |
| 21:32.57 | prpplague | kergoth: and OE again |
| 21:32.57 | kergoth | monotone has a sane, intuitive interface. |
| 21:33.04 | prpplague | kergoth: cool |
| 21:33.06 | kergoth | its annoying that they use sha1 sums to identify the change sets |
| 21:33.15 | kergoth | rather than something sane like numbers, but its understandable |
| 21:33.26 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm |
| 21:33.43 | prpplague | kergoth: so whats the current ram/hd requirements for OE |
| 21:34.00 | kergoth | hd depends onw hat you're building |
| 21:34.08 | kergoth | a world build of all of oe's packages will easily take 25 gigs |
| 21:34.08 | file[laptop] | my sanity. |
| 21:34.25 | prpplague | kergoth: and ram? |
| 21:35.01 | kergoth | ram, 512 is the minimum if you arent using bbcow, 768 or 1 gig to be comfortable |
| 21:35.07 | kergoth | 256 is the minimum if you use bbcow |
| 21:35.16 | file[laptop] | such insanity with the RAM requirement |
| 21:35.23 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:35.37 | kergoth | need to get the rewrite rolling one of these days, with my copious spare time |
| 21:35.47 | chouimat | kergoth: lol |
| 21:36.03 | prpplague | kergoth: yikes |
| 21:36.10 | chouimat | kergoth: svk rocks ... too bad it's perl |
| 21:36.12 | kergoth | i should really get moved soon. need the change |
| 21:36.21 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe. agreed. its kinda sluggish because of it |
| 21:36.53 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm |
| 21:36.59 | chouimat | kergoth: might sit down and rewrite in c++ ... but I hate perl ... and I applied on a c++/java/perl job |
| 21:37.07 | prpplague | kergoth: so is doing custom/new apps any easier with bitbake? |
| 21:38.47 | kergoth | prpplague: depends. it takes a lot of the hassles out of some things, like automatically crosscompiling all your app's dependencies before crosscompiling the app. |
| 21:39.19 | kergoth | it makes a good tool for producing sdks and toolchains and the like. oe/bb itself isnt a development tool, its a build tool. keep that in mind |
| 21:39.43 | kergoth | and obviously the image population/creation stuff |
| 21:39.44 | prpplague | kergoth: agreed, but i have add all of our custom apps to OE |
| 21:39.58 | prpplague | kergoth: thats always been the big hold up |
| 21:40.11 | kergoth | that isnt a big deal. bitbake just runs shell scripts dood |
| 21:40.18 | kergoth | its like writing makefile targets to call out make to compile things |
| 21:40.28 | kergoth | or a debian rules file |
| 21:40.31 | kergoth | or an rpm .spec |
| 21:40.47 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i've not tried OE since the move to bitbake |
| 21:40.51 | kergoth | its no more difficult than those, with one caveat. you need to make sure it obeys our CC, CFLAGS, and the like, so that it crosscompiled. |
| 21:40.55 | kergoth | s/d.$/s./ |
| 21:41.51 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i'd probably have to clean up all the makefiles since the original developers had no clue |
| 21:42.19 | file[laptop] | yay for SCSI |
| 21:46.35 | file[laptop] | well |
| 21:46.41 | file[laptop] | bitbake is doing stuff, and like, my TV is not skipping at all |
| 21:46.45 | prpplague | ahh gonna be a pretty sunset this evening |
| 21:46.51 | file[laptop] | makes me happy! |
| 21:48.30 | kergoth | prpplague: have you read my open source buildsystems rules of thumb document? |
| 21:48.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:48.49 | file[laptop] | kergoth: how is teh job situation btw |
| 21:50.31 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: what are you bitbaking? |
| 21:50.39 | file[laptop] | I'm setting it up |
| 21:51.28 | file[laptop] | just seeing if it croaks, breaks, etc |
| 21:52.18 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, no not yet, probably start trying OE again over the weekend |
| 21:54.09 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: is the geode in here at all? |
| 21:54.15 | file[laptop] | ie for machine, distro, anything |
| 21:55.29 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: no, we run pretty much out of the box except for the kernel |
| 21:55.41 | file[laptop] | k |
| 21:56.16 | CosmicPenguin | What you'll do is just use the x86 machine, and set the TARGET_ARCH to i486, and the PREFERRED_PROVIDER_kernel to the linux-geodegx that I'm going to check in |
| 22:07.54 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: almost ready |
| 22:08.25 | file[laptop] | uh oh |
| 22:08.25 | file[laptop] | what |
| 22:08.45 | CosmicPenguin | arggh |
| 22:09.43 | kergoth | woo, war |
| 22:09.57 | file[laptop] | silly kergoth |
| 22:16.13 | CosmicPenguin | ok, God help anyone who downloads that audio driver |
| 22:16.20 | CosmicPenguin | I am embaressed and very very pissed |
| 22:16.55 | CosmicPenguin | It uses this funkified install shell script to patch itself into the kernel |
| 22:17.01 | file[laptop] | O.o |
| 22:17.01 | CosmicPenguin | so I can't use it in .bb |
| 22:17.01 | kergoth | ew |
| 22:17.15 | file[laptop] | so I'm thinking about a GSM Pocket PC... |
| 22:17.25 | CosmicPenguin | That has long been changed, but the people I need to yell at to get the new version online aren't listening |
| 22:18.37 | Sgt-Donan | bn |
| 22:18.39 | CosmicPenguin | I already have to do one of those hated http://tar.gz \ file://${WORKDIR}/file.patch;patch=1 things |
| 22:23.17 | CosmicPenguin | <CIA-4> jcrouse * r1.3193.1.1 openembedded/packages/linux/ (linux-geodegx_2.4.24.bb linux-geodegx-2.4.24/defconfig): add AMD Geode GX kernel build |
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| 22:32.52 | CosmicPenguin | <CIA-4> jcrouse * r1.3196 openembedded/conf/machine/geodegx.conf: Add machine file for the AMD Geode GX |
| 22:32.53 | CosmicPenguin | Ok file |
| 22:33.16 | CosmicPenguin | bk pull your oe/ tree, set your machine to geodegx, and happy building |
| 22:34.00 | CosmicPenguin | There is one other problem you *might* have - We've had situations where -fomit-frame-pointer while building the glibc has freaked out the geode |
| 22:34.14 | CosmicPenguin | But here's hoping - if it does, then I'll fix that too |
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