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| 13:20.36 | yahya | anyone tried cross compiling perl ? |
| 13:24.24 | yahya | ? |
| 13:25.56 | Soopaman | yeah, if you read the readme file it will tell you how |
| 13:29.20 | yahya | ./Configure -Dusecrosscompile -Dtargethost=192.168.11.197 -Dtargetarch=arm-linux |
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| 13:29.21 | yahya | apgear/snapgear/lib/glibc/build/include/ -Dincpth=/home/ixp425/snapgear/snapgear |
| 13:29.41 | yahya | this what I tried |
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| 16:47.15 | jacques | morning TimRiker |
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| 16:57.54 | TimRiker | moin |
| 17:01.07 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey |
| 17:03.52 | TimRiker | hey |
| 17:03.58 | TimRiker | lovin' the sun? |
| 17:04.21 | TimRiker | seen my latest useless hobby? http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware |
| 17:04.55 | T0mW | oh no |
| 17:05.00 | prpplague | TimRiker: really hot today |
| 17:05.13 | TimRiker | 'specially http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware/20050426_004016 |
| 17:05.29 | TimRiker | T0mW: like old hardware then? ;-) |
| 17:05.45 | TimRiker | "My other computer is older than you" |
| 17:05.53 | T0mW | heh, yeah something like that. More like nightmares I've had |
| 17:05.54 | prpplague | TimRiker: wow where did you find all that stuff |
| 17:05.59 | TimRiker | UTD |
| 17:06.31 | TimRiker | T0mW: =) the hp-2116a was installed in jan 1970. produced from 1966-70 |
| 17:06.35 | prpplague | utd? |
| 17:06.44 | CosmicPenguin | heh - back to the old skool |
| 17:06.49 | TimRiker | univ tx @ dallas |
| 17:07.10 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: you got that right! |
| 17:07.28 | CosmicPenguin | Do you throw in a dozen vampire taps with every order? |
| 17:07.29 | TimRiker | it's older than my wife. but not older than me. |
| 17:07.38 | T0mW | There was an outfit outside of Hazelton PA that ran a data center. Every year or so a buddy would walk me through the data center on a tour. Each year the HP mainframes got smaller and the field of disk paks got tinyer... |
| 17:07.54 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: heh. nope. but I hope to offer vanity punch tapes soon. |
| 17:08.01 | T0mW | hah! |
| 17:08.05 | T0mW | chad too? |
| 17:08.21 | TimRiker | chad? |
| 17:08.36 | T0mW | that's what we called the little circles that were punched out |
| 17:08.51 | TimRiker | ahh! got some of that already. ;-) I call it confetti |
| 17:08.53 | T0mW | one cermony was to baptize a new guy with chad |
| 17:09.37 | T0mW | I might have been some guys name, Chad, who worked there at doused people with it, but we called it chad. |
| 17:09.39 | TimRiker | sure enough.. /me googles chad |
| 17:09.41 | TimRiker | ~chad |
| 17:10.03 | CosmicPenguin | Sure its chad - remember the 2000 election in florida? |
| 17:10.05 | TimRiker | ~wiki chad |
| 17:10.45 | T0mW | :) |
| 17:11.10 | T0mW | TimRiker: how core does it have? |
| 17:11.16 | TimRiker | ~chad is Confetti-like pieces of paper formed from punch cards or paper tapes. May have been derived from the word Chadless keypunch, which did not create the confetti-like substance; therefore, it was assumed the stuff created must then be called chad. |
| 17:11.17 | ibot | TimRiker: okay |
| 17:11.43 | CosmicPenguin | is that from the jargon file? |
| 17:11.56 | TimRiker | T0mW: the 2116a has 2 4KW (8KB) core cubes. |
| 17:12.01 | TimRiker | ~jargon chad |
| 17:12.03 | ibot | jargon chad is, like, /chad/ n. 1. The perforated edge strips on printer paper, after they have been separated from the printed portion. Also called selvage and perf. 2. obs. The confetti-like paper bits punched out of cards or paper tape; this was also called `chaff', `computer confetti', and `keypunch droppings'. Historical note One correspondent believes `chad' ... |
| 17:12.03 | T0mW | nod |
| 17:12.17 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: not exactly. ;-) |
| 17:12.24 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - I guess now |
| 17:12.31 | CosmicPenguin | s/now/not/ |
| 17:12.38 | TimRiker | http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/chad.html |
| 17:13.12 | TimRiker | T0mW: the cubes are 16x16x17 for parity. woot! ;-) |
| 17:14.01 | T0mW | heh, I was just looking over the photos to see if you had the drives. not much use without the swapdrive |
| 17:14.36 | TimRiker | you can see them when the cabinet is open: http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware/20050417_001520 top right |
| 17:14.57 | T0mW | TimRiker: at one time I almost had a PDP10 to drag home, but someone with higher seniority scarfed it up. |
| 17:15.16 | T0mW | modest mini |
| 17:15.42 | TimRiker | 3 drives. 1 single platter and 2 duals. http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware/20050415_133759 |
| 17:15.49 | T0mW | yeah |
| 17:16.06 | T0mW | kidding |
| 17:16.08 | T0mW | right? |
| 17:16.20 | T0mW | 8's were good machines |
| 17:16.51 | TimRiker | nope. there is a growing vintage computer fad. the pdp straight 8 is the holy grail to many. |
| 17:17.35 | TimRiker | apple 1 for others, etc. an apple 1 recently sold for $40k most other stuff is nowhere near as valuable. |
| 17:17.37 | T0mW | I recall coding in PDP8 assembler to write a serial comm routine to xfer files between a Z80 micro and a PDP8 Auto Test machine. |
| 17:17.48 | chouimat | too bad I have not enought space for one of those ... |
| 17:18.24 | T0mW | TimRiker: Trenton Computer Festival, oldest computer fest on the east coast. They have a killer tailgate flea market of old computers. |
| 17:18.25 | prpplague | TimRiker: i sold my rockwell computer on ebay for almost 5k |
| 17:18.25 | TimRiker | seen the simh project? it has emulators for many of the PDPs, HPs, IBMs, etc. |
| 17:18.41 | TimRiker | T0mW: yep. just happened recently iirc |
| 17:18.54 | TimRiker | prpplague: sweet! |
| 17:18.58 | T0mW | Amateur Computer Group of NJ, I used to belong to that. |
| 17:19.13 | T0mW | yeah, it's in April |
| 17:20.17 | TimRiker | prpplague: aim-65? |
| 17:22.19 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea |
| 17:22.41 | T0mW | TimRiker: my "dream machine" used to be an IMSAI computer with a Lear Seagler ADM-3 terminal |
| 17:23.17 | T0mW | that had all those cool toggle switches on the front panel so you could boot it. |
| 17:24.27 | T0mW | We used to boot the PDP10's that way, they had 1.8Meg hard drives but you had to enter about 6 instructions into core then "run" to boot from the drive |
| 17:24.27 | Crofton | I used to have a MEK6800D2 thingy |
| 17:24.56 | T0mW | s/pdp10/pdp8/ |
| 17:25.33 | T0mW | darn, it's been so long ago... |
| 17:26.13 | T0mW | I never dreamed I'd own the computers that I do now |
| 17:30.00 | T0mW | heck, the ARM processors are more powerful than the first computer I owned! Z80 @ 8MHz, 16K of DRAM, cannabilized audio tape recorder, 20 key keypad, 20 digit LED display... heh |
| 17:30.12 | T0mW | I built it myself |
| 17:30.33 | CosmicPenguin | avert your eyes children |
| 17:30.44 | T0mW | It ran for a few months before the DRAM timing got sloppy and it started to "forget" bits. LOL |
| 17:31.14 | T0mW | The DRAM sequencer was a circuit I lifted from a Tandy computer schematic |
| 17:31.33 | T0mW | it was a bunch of J-K latches |
| 17:32.18 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: some day, the young guys will be rolling their eyes at you for talking Opteron |
| 17:32.21 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:32.28 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, yeah |
| 17:32.32 | T0mW | lol |
| 17:32.35 | CosmicPenguin | I'll talk about the good ol' days of 32 bits |
| 17:32.42 | T0mW | yup |
| 17:32.53 | CosmicPenguin | "Back in my day, we only had 32 bits. And that suited us just fine" |
| 17:33.03 | T0mW | oh, and writing "code" by hand, in C++ even! |
| 17:35.32 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, atleast you'll have a dollar when you die, hehe |
| 17:35.59 | CosmicPenguin | ~whaleslap prpplague |
| 17:36.01 | ibot | ACTION slaps prpplague upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 17:36.35 | CosmicPenguin | If his ass gets any smarter, it might graduate from Purdue |
| 17:36.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:36.58 | T0mW | prpplague: about the size of it |
| 17:37.10 | CosmicPenguin | I would have said graduate from BYU, then then the ass would have had to have gotten dumber.... :) |
| 17:38.49 | chouimat | someone need help http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/994 |
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| 17:51.54 | T0mW | oh man, I used to write code on a DEC Rainbow! |
| 17:52.20 | T0mW | Z80 machine with 64K of RAM! |
| 17:56.31 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you back from eating yet? |
| 18:00.40 | chouimat | T0mW: his wife asked him to clean the basement |
| 18:01.02 | T0mW | yup, she needed room for her stuff |
| 18:05.51 | T0mW | Sadly, once I put Small-C on the DEC Rainbow, the engineering people suddenly found it useful and stole it back. |
| 18:06.18 | chouimat | :) |
| 18:06.47 | T0mW | I put Small-C everywhere, I even had it running on an Apple-II |
| 18:07.19 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 18:07.46 | T0mW | all you had to do was to change the code generator to produce tokens instead of opcodes, then run a final process to convert tokens into asm + library calls |
| 18:08.51 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: hey there. I didn't graduate from the Y either. |
| 18:11.03 | TimRiker | T0mW: bet it won't run on my hp. ;-/ |
| 18:11.22 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you ever try to integrate any sort of gcov stuff with BB? |
| 18:11.34 | TimRiker | tough to do anything too useful in 16k of ram. |
| 18:11.58 | CosmicPenguin | It seems that they're not a match made in heaven since gcov writes the absolute filename of the source file into the object file |
| 18:18.08 | kergoth | nope, fraid not. i played with some profiling stuff, but no code coverage |
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| 18:25.12 | T0mW | TimRiker: I wouldn't be so sure about that. The trick was always in developing the run-strategy (how it would execute), then cross-compiling + building the initial compiler and xfering the image to the target. |
| 18:26.01 | T0mW | TimRiker: you wouldn't try getting gcc + binutils on that thing, no room, but Small-C should fit |
| 18:28.03 | T0mW | TimRiker: heh, you'd prolly have to use a disk file to store intermediate values instead of using a RAM stackspace. |
| 18:28.54 | T0mW | TimRiker: how wide is the logical address space? |
| 18:35.47 | jjshoe | i wouldn't sposen i could talk someone into soldering up the voip mod for the tuxscreen for some cash could i? ;) |
| 19:15.18 | TimRiker | T0mW: the system is 16 bit. the high bit is an "indirect" bit meaning it's a pointer basically. |
| 19:15.47 | TimRiker | you can have a max of 32k words (64k bytes) installed on the early models. |
| 19:16.40 | TimRiker | mine has 16kb and can only go up to 32kb with an external expansion chassis. my 2100a has 64kb installed. |
| 19:17.28 | TimRiker | my 2108 and 2112 are the newer models in the line. they can go to 1M. not sure if thats words or bytes. I don't know how the addressing works to get at them either. I presume there is a paging register someplace. |
| 19:17.52 | chouimat | TimRiker: scary |
| 19:19.30 | jjshoe | :P |
| 19:20.04 | jjshoe | tell him you arn't intrested in his product because you want to find something better? |
| 19:20.26 | T0mW | We are interfacing to them as per a Bid Award. They "have" to work with us and we "have" to use them. |
| 19:21.20 | T0mW | problem is History Reports, if they invoke a history report from the panel, we could get a shitload of alarm data being reported to the Central Station. |
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| 19:22.31 | T0mW | At one jobsite, they dispatched the firemen repeatedly as the idiot techs couldn't get it through their heads to disconnect the serial port before dumping a history. |
| 19:22.36 | fishhead | anyone know of a url where I can find out about cheap SOHO routers that use linux |
| 19:22.42 | fishhead | so far 2 main urls I found are dead |
| 19:23.00 | fishhead | hey tomw ltns |
| 19:23.04 | jjshoe | google cache |
| 19:23.07 | jjshoe | or wayback machine |
| 19:23.14 | fishhead | yeah I did that but it only helps so much |
| 19:23.35 | TimRiker | T0mW: I have 3 disc drives for the system and controllers, but I don't know if the systems will ever work, let alone the drives. |
| 19:23.58 | fishhead | other problem is I need at least 8 port switch so if I can't get one with that then I can only buy a switch for now and keep my pc router |
| 19:24.11 | TimRiker | fishhead: linksys wrt54g do what you want? they are available all over the place. |
| 19:24.16 | T0mW | yeah, maybe you could stick a small refridgeration unit inside it and add some beer taps to the outside? |
| 19:24.22 | fishhead | uhh i don't think those have 8 ports |
| 19:24.24 | fishhead | only 4 |
| 19:24.51 | CosmicPenguin | Now that would be sweet |
| 19:24.54 | TimRiker | fishhead: a simple switch on one of the ports solves that issue. |
| 19:25.05 | fishhead | yeah dude but then that's more cost |
| 19:25.10 | fishhead | I am not working right now |
| 19:25.11 | fishhead | can't do that |
| 19:25.24 | fishhead | I only buying the switch because I have no choice, I am moving and my folks need the hub |
| 19:25.48 | T0mW | TimRiker: yeah, put a BasicStamp processor board inside to wiggle the LEDs to make it look functional! |
| 19:25.55 | fishhead | hahahahaha |
| 19:26.07 | fishhead | t0mw did you ever get a juicebox to play with ? |
| 19:26.24 | CosmicPenguin | Best....keg....ever |
| 19:26.36 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, kegerator |
| 19:28.04 | T0mW | "tubes" |
| 19:28.30 | fishhead | t0mw did you ever get a juicebox to play with ? |
| 19:29.31 | TimRiker | T0mW: actually, my 1936? philco? am radio needs a new tube or two. they are all there, but it takes a couple hours to warm up such that you can hear anything. |
| 19:30.13 | T0mW | yeah, tubes are so nice, see them glowing away. More friendly than transistors |
| 19:30.39 | jjshoe | TimRiker how much are tubes worth these days? |
| 19:30.47 | jjshoe | is a large tube collection worth any amount of money? |
| 19:30.57 | fishhead | jjs depends on what kinda tubes |
| 19:31.09 | T0mW | TimRiker: IIRC, there was some Russian companies still producing vacuum tubes. More of a specialty market to supply afficienados. |
| 19:31.33 | fishhead | still many apps where there is only tubes |
| 19:31.36 | fishhead | ghz amps etc |
| 19:31.47 | T0mW | TimRiker: check in Ham radio magazines for those ads. |
| 19:32.43 | T0mW | TimRiker: also, check with arrl.org for local Hamfests, there are guys there selling vacuum tubes. |
| 19:35.11 | T0mW | TimRiker: usually electrolytics dry out with time, have you tried replacing all of them? |
| 19:36.11 | T0mW | The other problem with long term storage is that the chokes would rust (iron plates) |
| 19:36.52 | T0mW | maybe disassemble the chokes and re-shellac the plates? |
| 19:52.48 | T0mW | TimRiker: I once had an Edison AM receiver, this was a full size floor model... |
| 19:55.19 | fishhead | ignore this :) |
| 19:58.35 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - I have full size record player and radio in my basement |
| 19:58.53 | CosmicPenguin | They're probably about four feet high |
| 19:59.26 | CosmicPenguin | It all worked up until my grandmothers death - I wonder if moving them damaged the tubes |
| 19:59.50 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: any vynil to go with that? (records) |
| 20:00.03 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: yeah - lots of good Frank Sinatra |
| 20:00.08 | T0mW | lol |
| 20:00.43 | CosmicPenguin | I should find somebody with a setup to rip that stuff |
| 20:00.50 | T0mW | I know of a guy that has a lot of 60's music records. He even has a Beatles White Album still sealed. |
| 20:01.11 | CosmicPenguin | ohh... |
| 20:01.23 | CosmicPenguin | My dad had a white album - got destroyed when our basement flooded |
| 20:01.33 | CosmicPenguin | Its sad to see a grown man cry like that |
| 20:01.37 | T0mW | no shit, a buddy of his left them in his care about 20 years ago and disappeared |
| 20:01.54 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:02.25 | T0mW | to the bank to the bank... to the bank bank bank |
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| 21:18.58 | TimRiker | T0mW: my philco is a large floor model. 110v, mess of tubes inside. never really looked into tracking down the problem. |
| 21:19.21 | TimRiker | not even plugged it in for 10 years or so. |
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| 21:38.27 | fishhead | my grandma had one of those |
| 21:38.30 | fishhead | she sold it |
| 21:38.32 | fishhead | btw tim |
| 21:38.38 | fishhead | it didn't have any of the tubes in it |
| 21:38.54 | fishhead | I had them at home because we were trying to replace the bad ones |
| 21:38.56 | fishhead | if you need any? |
| 21:48.55 | MonMotha | TimRiker: what kind of tubes do you need? We've got like 4 boxes here, I could check for you some time |
| 21:49.47 | fishhead | let me know also |
| 21:49.52 | fishhead | i'll sell, give or trade them |
| 21:49.56 | fishhead | depending on what they are worth |
| 21:50.04 | fishhead | mon is tim in US ? |
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| 22:14.44 | TimRiker | MonMotha: don't know. Someday I'll look. they are old and large. the radio was made in 1934 |
| 22:16.56 | fishhead | tim |
| 22:17.01 | fishhead | if it's the philco I remeber |
| 22:17.08 | fishhead | it lists all the tubes on the inside of the unit |
| 22:17.57 | MonMotha | TimRiker: we have some such tubes :) |
| 22:18.10 | MonMotha | though we also have an ancient AM radio we've been meaning to make work, for nostalgic purposes |
| 22:18.29 | MonMotha | it's a regenerative, not even a very modern design |
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| 23:05.08 | fishhead | CANUCK! |
| 23:05.16 | fishhead | hey dude how are the ladies treating you ? |
| 23:07.01 | chouimat | fishhead: I will die of exhaustion |
| 23:07.15 | fishhead | hahahaha BUT WHAT A WAY TO GO! |
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