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| 12:10.09 | prpplague^2 | ho diddy ho ho |
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| 13:45.30 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:48.35 | prpplague | chouimat: lo ho |
| 13:49.00 | sjhill | ~ibot insult chouimat |
| 13:49.04 | sjhill | ~ibot fishslap prpplague |
| 13:49.07 | ibot | ACTION slaps prpplague up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 13:49.13 | prpplague | sjhill: good morning |
| 13:50.21 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, i've been on my own since i was 17, its hard living in my mother-in-laws house, hehe |
| 13:50.50 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 13:54.20 | prpplague | cbrake: hey |
| 13:57.16 | prpplague | cbrake: you alive? |
| 13:58.17 | Soopaman | prpplague, how's the weather in freedomia? |
| 14:03.08 | prpplague | Soopaman: not too bad today |
| 14:03.15 | prpplague | Soopaman: still getting used to things |
| 14:03.26 | prpplague | Soopaman: donna and i are kind missing texas this week |
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| 14:07.50 | cbrake | prpplague: barely. We had a baby two weeks ago and I just quit Vibren and restarted my consulting business. |
| 14:08.05 | Soopaman | prpplague, i thought you hated texas? |
| 14:09.15 | cbrake | prpplague: baby pictures: ftp://bec-systems.com/private/miles |
| 14:30.38 | prpplague | cbrake: oh |
| 14:30.41 | prpplague | cbrake: congrads |
| 14:30.57 | prpplague | cbrake: not with accelant anymore |
| 14:30.58 | prpplague | '' |
| 14:31.00 | prpplague | ?? |
| 14:31.24 | cbrake | prpplague: Nope -- time to try something different. |
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| 14:33.08 | cbrake | prpplague: I may still do some contracting for them if they get busy. |
| 14:36.59 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh |
| 14:37.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lo ho |
| 14:37.15 | prpplague | cbrake: not enough dev work going on there? |
| 14:38.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: morning |
| 14:38.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm out of Texas, but its still ugly and humid |
| 14:38.49 | cbrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.20 | CosmicPenguin | There's good money in WinCE though |
| 14:40.32 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: very true. |
| 14:40.58 | CosmicPenguin | And its no XP - there are lots of features in CE that I like |
| 14:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | power management is particularlly nice |
| 14:41.29 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: do you do a lot of WinCE dev? |
| 14:43.13 | CosmicPenguin | no - but we have an active WinCE team |
| 14:43.26 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: nod. |
| 14:43.59 | CosmicPenguin | I've talked to them alot about architecture, and its pretty impressive |
| 14:44.14 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: WinCE is OK in moderation, but it was the only thing I was doing and I was starting to rot. |
| 14:44.20 | CosmicPenguin | that happens |
| 14:44.35 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: I like some variety -- HW design, etc. |
| 14:56.11 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh |
| 14:56.30 | prpplague | cbrake: i was wanting to get with you and see if you were doing any blob dev |
| 14:56.42 | prpplague | cbrake: i'm working on moving the configure stuff over to kconfig |
| 15:02.37 | CosmicPenguin | jrj |
| 15:02.51 | CosmicPenguin | or - for those of you with your fingers in the right place on the keyboard - heh |
| 15:04.01 | T0mW | feel before you type |
| 15:04.25 | T0mW | thinking is optional |
| 15:05.15 | cbrake | prpplague: have not done any blob dev. I'm currently using an Intel port of blob on my mainstone system, but that is about it. I'm still kind of a U-boot fan. |
| 15:05.48 | cbrake | prpplague: sounds like kconfig would be a good improvement. |
| 15:08.14 | CosmicPenguin | kconfig has its weaknesses, but like kergoth always says - at least we know what they are |
| 15:13.28 | sjhill | i have no scrollback |
| 15:13.38 | sjhill | did someone give me a question? |
| 15:15.13 | prpplague | sjhill: yea |
| 15:15.26 | prpplague | sjhill: how many nudie bars have you been in lately? |
| 15:15.58 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh, well u-boot is just too massive for my tastes |
| 15:16.51 | sjhill | prpplague: uh, none |
| 15:17.13 | sjhill | prpplague: i would never choose to go to one |
| 15:17.56 | sjhill | prpplague: as a "surprise" when i first got married, guys from work took me to one without telling me ahead of time, so i've been only once |
| 15:19.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:20.03 | prpplague | sjhill: actually there wasn't a question for ya, just thought i'd throw that in |
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| 15:26.32 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: you around? |
| 15:26.42 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: can you tell what processor this is running: http://www.mobinaute.com/mobinaute/article.php?id=20050511110511 |
| 15:29.07 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: they don't say anything about the cpu in the article ... |
| 15:31.06 | CosmicPenguin | thank you mr. french man sir |
| 15:31.32 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: look like a nice toy |
| 15:31.47 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: archos always makes nice toys |
| 15:42.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i really like that |
| 15:45.24 | T0mW | hmm, looks like newlib is contending with uClibc ? |
| 15:45.36 | jacques | now if only they would make them with nicer LCD displays, like the PSP has |
| 15:46.00 | jacques | IPS, PVA, MVA, something |
| 15:48.52 | CosmicPenguin | That is, when they fix the whole dead pixel issue... :) |
| 15:51.10 | prpplague | :D |
| 15:53.34 | jacques | yeah I dunno what's up with that |
| 15:53.52 | jacques | sony are probably being cheap bastards |
| 15:54.06 | jacques | and using displays which should not pass inspection |
| 15:54.38 | jacques | mine has no dead pixels, but it does have some dust (I need top open it up and try to fix that) |
| 15:56.02 | CosmicPenguin | I hate dust |
| 15:56.12 | CosmicPenguin | my cell phone is damn near useless these days |
| 15:56.30 | jacques | but for color, contrast, and viewing angle, the IPS LCD is amazing |
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| 16:23.04 | Soopaman | CosmicPenguin, whoa, what the hell is that |
| 16:23.23 | CosmicPenguin | Its a goiter - and I'll thank you for not staring |
| 16:26.37 | Soopaman | heh |
| 16:26.44 | Soopaman | are those archos' out ? |
| 16:26.57 | jacques | did you see the price tho ? |
| 16:27.23 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.42 | Soopaman | whoa |
| 16:27.48 | Soopaman | forget that |
| 16:27.54 | jacques | yeah that's kinda my thought |
| 16:29.09 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:29.14 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sur ethose prices will come down |
| 16:29.22 | Soopaman | in the next day or two? |
| 16:29.24 | CosmicPenguin | 100GB though - thats a big ass pmp |
| 16:29.48 | CosmicPenguin | Soopaman: you know how it is - prices are high initially to cover the first run, and then as lot numbers go up, prices drop |
| 16:30.32 | Soopaman | CosmicPenguin, true, but the longer the wait, the more my interest wanes, and my money finds other toys/girls to play with |
| 16:37.26 | prpplague | hmm, white and congress have been exacuated |
| 16:37.30 | prpplague | whitehouse |
| 16:39.30 | sjhill | all-clear has been given already |
| 16:40.50 | CosmicPenguin | Slow reflex reaction on the grenade in Georgia? :) |
| 16:47.47 | sjhill | cool |
| 16:48.12 | sjhill | i received an invitation to hear Newt Gingrich speak this Friday |
| 16:48.19 | sjhill | breakfast and all |
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| 16:48.51 | sjhill | glad the ticket was gift...i don't have that kind of money |
| 17:00.15 | jacques | should at least have to pay for the response |
| 17:00.44 | jacques | and FAA will probably want to look at revoking his license |
| 17:00.51 | CosmicPenguin | probably be declared as a enemy combatant |
| 17:00.59 | CosmicPenguin | bad juju for some guy that read his map upside down |
| 17:03.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: someting for the nect episode of 'lost' ? hehe |
| 17:05.44 | prpplague | ugh, why do ppl feeling the need to use an emulator for doing an initial board bringup |
| 17:07.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: becaus sometimes the silicon just isn't going to show up |
| 17:07.51 | CosmicPenguin | And managers have a really bad habit of wanting to be code complete around the same time as tape out |
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| 17:12.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: silicon or protoboards? |
| 17:13.09 | CosmicPenguin | silicon mainly - boards are a dime a dozen around here |
| 17:13.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so how can you have an emulator of silicon that doesn't exist? |
| 17:14.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not likely to be a commercial one available if there isn't anything to base it on? |
| 17:14.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: don't forget - we make our own silicon... :) |
| 17:16.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but why would a software developer using an off the shelf processor for a new board, ask for emulator? |
| 17:18.17 | CosmicPenguin | Because, like I said - managers like to be code complete before boards are available |
| 17:18.18 | CosmicPenguin | I think its a reasonable request |
| 17:20.28 | fishhead | prpp |
| 17:20.31 | fishhead | you watching the new |
| 17:20.39 | fishhead | some jackoff just did a fly by over dc |
| 17:20.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, purchase an emulator, or find a similiar hardware platform |
| 17:20.44 | fishhead | they almost blew away his ass |
| 17:20.54 | fishhead | prpp www.foxnews.com |
| 17:21.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: since most silicon manufacturers make dev boards why not get one of those? |
| 17:21.11 | fishhead | they should have been blown up anyways for being an idiot |
| 17:21.36 | CosmicPenguin | I agree, but I've found myself wanting an emulator before, so I guess I can see it both ways |
| 17:21.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i mean i could understand if they are doing a app like a gui or something |
| 17:21.42 | fishhead | this guy better kiss God's ass that the government held restraint and didn't shoot him down |
| 17:21.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: emulator for initial board bringup? |
| 17:22.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how could you be sure that the emulator works the same as your board? |
| 17:22.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well - the better to get drivers written - after all, what are the odds you'll find a existing board with the same nic, the same graphics chip, the same analog chip, etc... |
| 17:23.11 | CosmicPenguin | What i see customers worrying about is that they need board A to test the analog->digital converter, and board B to test the UART and board C to test the NIC |
| 17:23.18 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, thats mitigated somewhat with PCI, at least in our case |
| 17:23.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: true, but then what are the odds your gonna find an emulator with the neccessary options? |
| 17:25.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: our x86-64 emulator is pretty sweet - its modular, and you use a GUI to drag and drop in new components - its not that hard to write new modules |
| 17:25.50 | CosmicPenguin | it doesn't translate too well to embedded space though - I can't seem to emulate a UART for example |
| 17:26.10 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7595~7363,00.html |
| 17:28.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I brought up a Gentoo LiveCD with it - of course, I needed an opteron to run an opteron emulator - which is pretty ironic |
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| 18:00.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:00.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, it makes sense to me once you have a hardware working, and you know the code is good, that you can create an "emulation" of the hardware |
| 18:00.56 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 18:01.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i mean you know the spec says this, but it actually is that |
| 18:01.31 | CosmicPenguin | I agree, it doesn't make sense - but we're under great pressure to be code complete by tape out - thats not to say production complete, but the sucker better compile and run on an emulator |
| 18:01.47 | CosmicPenguin | of course, that code never ends up being close to the final product, but it gives management a warm fuzzy |
| 18:02.33 | CosmicPenguin | And i've discovered that the warmer and fuzzier management is, the less likely they are going to question me why I'm writing and/or porting unauthorized projects |
| 18:03.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 18:04.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can understand that with amd and other silicon groups |
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| 18:36.57 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:37.05 | prpplague | i sure have got to get busy on this lcd |
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| 18:57.07 | T0mW | prpplague: I wonder if someone has an ARM emulator |
| 18:57.30 | prpplague | T0mW: there are several |
| 18:57.36 | T0mW | ARM7TDMI |
| 18:57.44 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe including one called the "ARmulator |
| 18:58.01 | prpplague | T0mW: has 7a400 and 79520 support |
| 18:58.05 | jacques | T0mW, system level emulation? |
| 18:58.15 | T0mW | be interesing if there were source, then you could add your special SOC periphs |
| 18:58.37 | jacques | plot thickens: two men stole the plane that flew within three miles of the white house today |
| 18:59.10 | jacques | http://softgun.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 18:59.29 | jacques | http://www.skyeye.org/ ? |
| 18:59.45 | jacques | dunno if those are of use to you |
| 18:59.52 | prpplague | jacques: thought they only got one man out? |
| 19:00.04 | jacques | now they are saying two on cnn.com |
| 19:00.15 | jacques | Two people were taken into custody Wednesday after their plane violated restricted airspace over Washington, |
| 19:00.28 | jacques | "The plane was taken from an airport in Smoketown, Pennsylvania," said Capitol Police Chief Terry Gainer. |
| 19:00.28 | jacques | Two people were taken into custody, he said. "They were not authorized to take the plane from the airport -- but in fact did." |
| 19:00.37 | T0mW | jacques: skyeye looks about right, I'll check into it. thanks! |
| 19:01.04 | jacques | T0mW, let me know if you get it working. I've been meaning to look at it for like a year or more but it seems a bit labor-intensive |
| 19:01.16 | T0mW | jacques: k |
| 19:01.28 | jacques | and it used to have docs only in Japanese :-) |
| 19:02.06 | T0mW | :P |
| 19:03.01 | jacques | I recently started playing with qemu-armeb |
| 19:03.12 | jacques | (since they just added big-endian arm support) |
| 19:03.20 | jacques | but it's user level only for arm |
| 19:09.01 | jacques | T0mW, looks like the skyeye forum is still in japanese |
| 19:09.07 | jacques | http://www.linuxfans.org/nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=58 |
| 19:09.22 | T0mW | :( |
| 19:09.43 | jacques | oops, ignorant me - that may be chinese |
| 19:12.00 | jacques | it's always been difficult to find info about skyeye - forum is in chinese and mailin glist link is broken |
| 19:12.33 | T0mW | jacques: doesn't appear to be english docs either. |
| 19:12.46 | T0mW | oh well |
| 19:12.49 | jacques | yeah I'm finding that |
| 19:13.16 | jacques | and docs are on IP address which is not responding |
| 19:13.30 | jacques | so, all in all not a whole hell of a lot has changed with skyeye in the last year |
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| 21:28.31 | jacques | skyeye seems to be based on gdb, which makes me think it might be rather slow |
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| 22:05.28 | chouimat | jacques: it's based on gdb |
| 22:43.25 | CosmicPenguin | I don't suppose anybody has a framebuffer device laying around that can do 1920x1440, do they? |
| 22:43.50 | Soopaman | yep |
| 22:44.44 | CosmicPenguin | Is that a hdtv in your pocket, or are you happy to see me? |
| 22:46.34 | Soopaman | definately an hd tv |
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| 23:00.43 | CosmicPenguin | Where's Morocco Mole? |
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| 23:23.18 | rpoppi77 | hi all. Any telephony apps under emb. linux user around? |
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