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| 01:11.49 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
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| 01:33.38 | sjhill | samrobb: howdy |
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| 03:14.21 | Soopaman | heh, congrats |
| 03:14.26 | Soopaman | her kergoth |
| 03:14.31 | Soopaman | hey* |
| 03:14.38 | kergoth | hey |
| 03:14.40 | Soopaman | you back in minn? |
| 03:14.43 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:14.44 | kergoth | drained |
| 03:14.52 | kergoth | long drive on 3 hours of sleep i got at a rest stop in the car |
| 03:15.11 | Soopaman | did you just just get back? |
| 03:15.45 | kergoth | got here about 3 hours ago, been hanging out with family |
| 03:34.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: still trying to flash the zipit? |
| 03:34.10 | prpplague | kergoth: hey hey |
| 03:34.14 | prpplague | kergoth: fun trip? |
| 03:44.22 | T0mW | prpplague: nobody feels like talking tonite, eh? |
| 03:51.28 | MonMotha | T0mW: nope, nobody |
| 03:51.42 | T0mW | not even Dave |
| 03:52.43 | MonMotha | I'm just futzing around trying to get LaTeX to do what I want |
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| 03:57.40 | T0mW | :/ |
| 03:58.30 | T0mW | yeah, I'm messing with some arrays of hashes in perl. A psuedo code generator thingy I'm building |
| 03:58.48 | T0mW | YACC |
| 03:58.49 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:59.11 | MonMotha | YACC, that's what I do when I have a cough |
| 03:59.32 | MonMotha | you don't happen to know LaTeX, do you? |
| 03:59.33 | T0mW | I keep thinking that if I knew bison that this would probably be easy to do. But, I never looked into that thing |
| 03:59.36 | T0mW | no |
| 03:59.39 | MonMotha | ok |
| 03:59.44 | T0mW | Spandex |
| 04:00.07 | T0mW | lots of that in Pennsylvania, especially on the fat girls |
| 04:00.12 | MonMotha | of course |
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| 05:10.32 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:10.53 | T0mW | guess they didn't want to make it easy and give you everything? |
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| 13:40.23 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 13:40.27 | CosmicPenguin | Thats all you, man... :) |
| 13:40.52 | Genesis | nokia |
| 13:40.59 | Genesis | are pro patent |
| 13:41.05 | Genesis | they sux |
| 13:41.11 | Genesis | what is for us ? |
| 13:52.01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah, last 3 years :/ |
| 13:52.44 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 13:53.07 | CosmicPenguin | Well, good for you.. I think |
| 13:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | Cept for the OMAP part - but that probably didn't have anything to do with you |
| 13:58.36 | Crofton | can it do USB host mode? |
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| 14:09.59 | CosmicPenguin | THe downside to a segmented Linux community is that you need to join dozens of lists in order to reach the right audiences |
| 14:10.51 | Genesis | sure ... |
| 14:11.01 | Genesis | same with too lot of distribution |
| 14:11.12 | Genesis | you see a bug , you post on your distribution list |
| 14:29.03 | Soopaman | mallum, you helped make the maemo? |
| 14:31.25 | mallum | Soopaman: just getting a press release togeather which explains exactly what we did |
| 14:33.14 | TheCollector | mallum: you work for Nokia or in OMAP? |
| 14:34.16 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:34.20 | CosmicPenguin | poor guy |
| 14:34.25 | CosmicPenguin | he's the man of the hour |
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| 14:35.03 | prpplague | mallum: coool |
| 14:35.10 | prpplague | mallum: congrads |
| 14:35.38 | Genesis | Nokia is one of the bigest european company who make a big campaign in favor of the software patent |
| 14:35.56 | Genesis | we can't trust them to help the foss community |
| 14:37.10 | thain | http://www.nokiausa.com/about/newsroom/article/1,1046,3247,00.html |
| 14:37.16 | TheCollector | well, they don't have to help us at all, but it would be nice if they wouldn't stab the foss community in the back |
| 14:37.20 | thain | "Nokia announces patent support to the Linux Kernel" |
| 14:38.09 | Genesis | http://swpat.ffii.org/gasnu/nokia/index.en.html |
| 14:38.12 | mallum | http://o-hand.com/pr/openedhand-pr-01.txt |
| 14:38.37 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:38.40 | CosmicPenguin | nice work |
| 14:38.54 | CosmicPenguin | #elinux guy makes good! |
| 14:39.03 | mallum | :) |
| 14:39.04 | Genesis | Political Activism of Nokia Patent Department in the name of Nokia |
| 14:39.38 | Genesis | they are for linux when it's free |
| 14:40.17 | Genesis | nevermind they'll do like mac and khtml |
| 14:45.05 | prpplague | uh did anyone read that press release from nokia? if so , please explain what it means? |
| 14:46.47 | ade|desk | prpplague: 'we funded stuff, we took what we needed, we have a lovely device range now' yay for us ... ish |
| 14:48.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh - ish |
| 14:49.19 | prpplague | mallum: how come you didn't attach your photo ? http://tinyurl.com/8kw6m |
| 14:49.38 | prpplague | ade|desk: whats this about the patent infringement in current kernels? |
| 14:51.21 | mallum | prpplague: ;) |
| 14:51.32 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: whats your blog ? |
| 14:51.44 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: mine is http://butterfeet.org/blog |
| 14:52.07 | prpplague | mallum: btw, congrads again, looks like a wonderful job |
| 14:52.13 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: http://www.crouse-house.com |
| 14:54.11 | mallum | prpplague: thanks |
| 14:55.32 | ade|desk | prpplague: no assertions made as yet as far as i can read |
| 14:56.12 | prpplague | ade|desk: i must be dense, but i didn't understand a word of that document |
| 14:56.28 | ade|desk | prpplague: back i agree its hard to understand what they are really saying |
| 14:56.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: they promise not to sue anybody until they want to sue somebody |
| 14:56.37 | ade|desk | s/back/but |
| 14:57.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so are they saying that there is infringing code? |
| 14:57.13 | ade|desk | they will sue if someone else tries to sue |
| 14:57.13 | CosmicPenguin | apparently there is |
| 14:59.01 | prpplague | interesting |
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| 15:00.42 | CP|Laptop | The whole "we're using our patent library for good" bit is a new concept these days amongst large corporations |
| 15:01.01 | CP|Laptop | My question is - what assurance do we have that you won't all of a sudden go evil? |
| 15:01.28 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: i'd guess none, when new management arrives, no telling what will happen |
| 15:01.34 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: just like what happened at abcs |
| 15:01.35 | CP|Laptop | exactly |
| 15:01.47 | CP|Laptop | Unisys was at one time the largest computer maker in the US |
| 15:01.53 | CP|Laptop | and see what they ended up doingt |
| 15:08.59 | Soopaman | i think we should all just be happy for mallum |
| 15:09.22 | prpplague | Soopaman: hehe, we are |
| 15:09.36 | Soopaman | heheh |
| 15:09.39 | ade|desk | i think mallum's bank is the happiest entity of the lot ;) |
| 15:09.46 | prpplague | Soopaman: i was mainly amused at how difficult it was to understand that nokia statement |
| 15:09.57 | prpplague | i bet |
| 15:10.09 | Soopaman | prpplague, yeah, but aslong as the sentence ended in ,000 I wouldn't care :P |
| 15:10.38 | mallum | The poeple I've had contact with within N didn't seem evil at all to me, much the opposite |
| 15:11.05 | Soopaman | mallum, have you watched the latest star wars ? |
| 15:11.18 | Soopaman | star wars = linux battles |
| 15:13.34 | Soopaman | who would have ever thought making the transition to a completely linux setup would be sooooo damn hard |
| 15:14.23 | prpplague | mallum: you have a lovely collection of x-dev tools |
| 15:15.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i still want a fb based graphical widget environment for low powered machines |
| 15:15.38 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: heh |
| 15:15.46 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: microwindows has been renamed to nano-x |
| 15:15.53 | CP|Laptop | and Greg is on a tear lately |
| 15:15.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:16.22 | CP|Laptop | people were making noise on the mailing list about forking it, and he reacted to that |
| 15:16.27 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: picogui would have been a nice choice if it was still under dev |
| 15:16.35 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: hehe |
| 15:16.40 | Soopaman | what ever happened to picogui? |
| 15:16.47 | Soopaman | i thought they just changed their name |
| 15:16.51 | prpplague | Soopaman: scanline got burned out |
| 15:16.52 | CP|Laptop | Micah got intersted in other stuff |
| 15:17.14 | Soopaman | damn |
| 15:17.19 | prpplague | Soopaman: on pg that is |
| 15:17.54 | prpplague | abcs still has about 5 stores in the bahamas running it on their ibm pos workstations |
| 15:18.04 | Soopaman | ok, it's official, i hate windows |
| 15:18.13 | MonMotha | who doesn't? |
| 15:18.25 | mallum | Soopaman: not yet,m tommorow hopefully |
| 15:18.51 | Soopaman | i've tried and tried and tried to get along with windows... but it just isn't working out |
| 15:19.07 | TheCollector | hehe |
| 15:19.19 | TheCollector | the only thing windows is good for is games |
| 15:19.53 | Soopaman | yeah |
| 15:19.58 | Soopaman | my problems with linux |
| 15:20.12 | Soopaman | is that no-one can put their ego aside long enough to make real progress |
| 15:20.44 | Soopaman | our only hope is that OS-X makes it to X86... |
| 15:20.55 | TheCollector | what do you define as "real progress" for linux? |
| 15:21.02 | CP|Laptop | ~lart Soopaman |
| 15:21.03 | Soopaman | that or xbox360 can run unsigned code :P |
| 15:21.05 | CP|Laptop | what ego? :) |
| 15:21.17 | TheCollector | Soopaman: it will, it will ;) |
| 15:21.33 | Soopaman | curious who will win the next gen of console wars |
| 15:21.41 | Soopaman | my xbox isn't modded yet :/ |
| 15:21.49 | TheCollector | Soopaman: it's an easy job |
| 15:21.51 | Soopaman | i should soft mod and install all my emulated games in there |
| 15:22.01 | Soopaman | TheCollector, hard or soft mod? |
| 15:22.10 | TheCollector | hard - Xecuter 2.3b |
| 15:22.24 | Soopaman | hard mods kinda scare me |
| 15:22.27 | TheCollector | (I think) - it may be a 2.2 |
| 15:22.32 | Soopaman | all my devices are soft modded |
| 15:22.55 | Soopaman | tivo, ps2 etc etc |
| 15:23.02 | TheCollector | Soopaman: its actually really easy if you have basic solder skills |
| 15:23.24 | Soopaman | do you play on live at all? |
| 15:23.49 | TheCollector | nope - my xbox hasntr seen much action at all in the last month |
| 15:24.17 | Soopaman | same here |
| 15:24.25 | Soopaman | just just put up my dish last weekend |
| 15:24.34 | Soopaman | and wow was that a job in itself |
| 15:24.56 | TheCollector | & it will see even less when I finally lose the lazy streak and actually start working on my tuxscreen |
| 15:25.10 | TheCollector | dish is great |
| 15:25.25 | Soopaman | you have dish or dtv? |
| 15:25.42 | TheCollector | nope - wish i did though |
| 15:26.01 | TheCollector | being a studdent && TI's weak pay for interns doesn't allow it |
| 15:27.04 | Soopaman | nuts |
| 15:28.10 | TheCollector | T0mW: ping |
| 15:30.01 | kergoth | mallum: s/contributing to numerous free software community's/contributing to numerous free software communities/ |
| 15:31.11 | CP|Laptop | open source press release writing |
| 15:31.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:34.46 | prpplague | mallum: did you do any of of the kdrive work for the omap1710? |
| 15:35.28 | mallum | prpplague: some |
| 15:35.35 | mallum | kergoth: damn :/ |
| 15:39.03 | thain | about the nokia-bashing: they started the scratchbox project (which is the basis of maemo) and have invested into its development as an open source project for several years now. it's starting to look like it's going to have an impact on the embedded linux field, at least if you ask the emdebian guys (or maybe it's just wishful thinking from my part :). anyway, nokia may be evil, but at least they've already done some good for the foss/linux community. |
| 15:39.36 | CP|Laptop | so they're selectively evil |
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| 15:40.21 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: reminds me of my good ol' D-n-D days of having chars that are neither good nor evil, but neutral, hehe |
| 15:40.36 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 15:40.44 | CP|Laptop | we have a real problem with that, as a community |
| 15:41.05 | CP|Laptop | a company is evil when they're not doing exactly what we want |
| 15:41.22 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: bah :) |
| 15:41.40 | CP|Laptop | for example, I didn't want chouimat to dissmiss me right there - he must be evil! :) |
| 15:41.56 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: hehe yea, i see alot of that |
| 15:42.07 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: most of the time its simple business decisions |
| 15:42.24 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: however there are alot of times, when companies without specifications for no aparent reason |
| 15:42.36 | CP|Laptop | very true |
| 15:42.46 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: nah I'm just neutral ... since I might never buy their things ... |
| 15:42.49 | CP|Laptop | I'm not trying to defend stupid behavior |
| 15:48.30 | CP|Laptop | anyone familiar enough with RTAI Real-Time Linux and wanting a consulting gig? |
| 16:00.12 | Crofton | No but I wouldn't mind a consulting gig :) |
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| 18:09.30 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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| 18:18.31 | T0mW | TheCollector: ? |
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| 19:00.52 | CosmicPenguin | Enter... The Collector |
| 19:02.58 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:03.11 | T0mW | Who is he collecting for? |
| 19:03.24 | T0mW | my bills are all paid |
| 19:15.23 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: its from a fairly recent simpsons episode |
| 19:15.40 | CosmicPenguin | Treehouse of Horror epsiode - pretty meh, but that segment was the best of the three |
| 19:33.28 | sjhill | nothing worse than an angry Canadian |
| 19:33.51 | sjhill | well, maybe be a rabid chihuahua |
| 19:40.01 | TheColle1tor | T0mW: does your tuxscreen ide interface still work? |
| 19:48.17 | CosmicPenguin | I say the chihuahua is scarier - they might break the skin |
| 19:48.53 | T0mW | TheColle1tor: yeah, everything but the pcb layout is on the site. Schematics, etc. |
| 19:49.24 | TheColle1tor | right, I saw all that - thanks for putting it up |
| 19:49.30 | T0mW | TheColle1tor: unfortunately, I had an IBM SCSI drive crash and the PCB data was on that drive. |
| 19:49.38 | TheColle1tor | ah |
| 19:49.48 | T0mW | TheColle1tor: I think that I still have a blank pcb here... |
| 19:50.01 | TheColle1tor | how did you connect to the gpio pads? |
| 19:50.27 | T0mW | very freaking carefully |
| 19:50.48 | TheColle1tor | did you just solder wires to the pad, or use feet of some sort? |
| 19:50.56 | T0mW | I wanted to be able to disconnect the pcb from the mainboard |
| 19:53.08 | T0mW | so, what I did was to take an floppy drive ribbon cable |
| 19:53.38 | T0mW | seperated the wires from all the way up to the plastic header conn. |
| 19:55.04 | T0mW | then tack soldered each wire to the mainboard J602. |
| 19:55.14 | TheCollector | ok |
| 19:55.38 | T0mW | TheCollector: IIRC, the schematic of the interface shows the signals of J602. so, it is a 1:1 interconnect |
| 19:55.51 | TheCollector | even wor power? |
| 19:55.58 | TheCollector | s/wor/for |
| 19:56.11 | T0mW | TheCollector: you do have to mod the mainboard, they made a mistake on it where the WRITE signal to J602 was being blocked |
| 19:56.28 | TheCollector | right, there's a trace to cut, correct? |
| 19:58.15 | T0mW | correct |
| 19:58.41 | T0mW | Now, my notation is this: if I say "U502.11" I mean "U502 pin 11" ok? |
| 19:58.51 | TheCollector | ok |
| 19:59.14 | TheCollector | I was trying to decipher that a couple of nights ago |
| 19:59.29 | TheCollector | that sure clears things up ;) |
| 20:00.40 | T0mW | when I say "cut or lift U507.3" cut the pin 3 of U507 so it is not connected to pcb |
| 20:02.27 | T0mW | Unfortunately, there may have been some issue with photographing the mods. But then, anyone willing to undertake the modification would have to have some engineering skills, I gave enough info so they could puzzle it out. |
| 20:02.29 | prpplague | ~convert 60 kph to mph |
| 20:02.42 | T0mW | TheCollector: did you get the schematics for Tuxscreen? |
| 20:02.59 | prpplague | ~convert 60 kilometer/hour to mile/hour |
| 20:03.28 | T0mW | prpplague: 110KPH is roughly 65MPH |
| 20:03.36 | T0mW | 63 probably |
| 20:03.37 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:03.47 | TheCollector | T0mW: the schematics from openhardware? |
| 20:03.52 | T0mW | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:04.10 | T0mW | TheCollector: no, IIRC, they were on the Tuxscreen site |
| 20:04.14 | T0mW | ~convert 110 kph to mph |
| 20:04.17 | prpplague | T0mW: you have to specify in a more detailed format |
| 20:04.25 | prpplague | ~convert 110 kilometer/hour to mile/hour |
| 20:04.28 | T0mW | phffft! |
| 20:04.33 | TheCollector | T0mW: I've probably looked at them a couple of times |
| 20:04.42 | T0mW | TheCollector: good |
| 20:04.56 | T0mW | TheCollector: it's a great unit to hack on ARM electronics |
| 20:05.28 | prpplague | T0mW: soon there will be another |
| 20:05.29 | TheCollector | I need to get the shanIP hack working, along with the IDe interface |
| 20:05.39 | TheCollector | maybe the 5v PCMCIA |
| 20:05.50 | T0mW | TheCollector: the whole exercise of adding an IDE drive was to verify, to myself, that I understood the AC timings of the SA1100, Chip Select logic, etc. |
| 20:06.23 | TheCollector | looks like I have a lot to learn :-D |
| 20:06.41 | T0mW | TheCollector: oh! Yeah, you need an external 1AMP 5V supply to run the IDE drive, you cannot use the TuxScreen supply as it will become overburdened by the drive spinup current |
| 20:06.51 | prpplague | TheCollector: imho, there is a ton to learn about ARM |
| 20:06.56 | T0mW | TheCollector: hey, perfect place to do it, the Tux |
| 20:08.08 | TheCollector | yep - as soon as I stop being lazy this summer, it will be really cool |
| 20:09.56 | T0mW | TheCollector: since I did that interface, I'd learned that you can command the IDE drive to run as an 8 bit data interface instead of 16 bit. That would have simplified the interface. As you can see, I am latching it from 16bit --> 8bit? |
| 20:10.29 | TheCollector | lemme look at the diags |
| 20:10.37 | T0mW | Somewhere, there is a doc telling all about IDE, however it has yet to hit the 'net. :( |
| 20:11.15 | TheCollector | ah |
| 20:11.30 | T0mW | TheCollector: I found the command to switch the drive electronics to 8bit interface in the blob source from CVS. Look at the Compact Flash code, they command the drive into 8bit mode. |
| 20:12.04 | TheCollector | cool |
| 20:13.29 | T0mW | There are also some 8051 projects out there that use an IDE drive. Unfortunately, their explainations of what they are doing to switch to 8 bit mode are not very clear, unless you know that it can be done. Then you know what to be looking for in their code / handling of the I/O |
| 20:13.43 | T0mW | LOL |
| 20:14.05 | T0mW | O'Reilly now has an "Embedded Systems" book for hardware hackers |
| 20:14.20 | TheCollector | hmm... might need to pick it up |
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| 20:17.54 | TheCollector | T0mW: thanks for the hints |
| 20:18.16 | T0mW | oooh, plus they have a really cool IR keyboard that you can use with lirc to replace the system keyboard of your MythTV box! |
| 20:18.32 | T0mW | TheCollector: have fun! |
| 20:19.02 | prpplague | T0mW: no i meant about the ide 8-bit command |
| 20:19.08 | T0mW | prpplague: ah! |
| 20:20.05 | T0mW | prpplague: I thought that maybe you didn't know that you were past the point, in your electronics knowledge, not to put an electrolytic in backwards? |
| 20:20.12 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:20.28 | T0mW | BOOM! |
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| 20:22.24 | CosmicPenguin | boom is bad? |
| 20:22.49 | T0mW | prpplague: kind of opens up the whole mass storage thing for a variety of devices, doesn't it? |
| 20:23.29 | T0mW | prpplague: I like the idea of the SD memories using a serial interface, but when you have to bit-bang the interface, it's still going to be slooooow |
| 20:26.38 | CosmicPenguin | how slow is it? |
| 20:26.49 | CosmicPenguin | </johnny carson crowd> |
| 20:29.25 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: well, going to be slower than a hardware SPI interface |
| 20:29.35 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I know |
| 20:29.37 | CosmicPenguin | stupid joke |
| 20:29.47 | CosmicPenguin | I apologize for my idiocacy |
| 20:30.14 | CosmicPenguin | and my spelling |
| 20:31.58 | TheCollector | T0mW: you said that you were able to get ~1.6MB/sec out of the gpio->ide interface, right? |
| 20:35.24 | T0mW | TheCollector: yeah, iirc that was using hdparm to test it with |
| 20:35.44 | T0mW | TheCollector: pio mode |
| 20:39.43 | TheCollector | cool - its plenty of bandwidth for the mp3's & ogg |
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| 20:42.51 | fishhead | http://press.nokia.com/PR/200505/995845_5.html |
| 20:42.52 | fishhead | wow |
| 20:54.14 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: you get that privmsg I sent you? |
| 21:03.44 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:04.11 | Crofton | I've been out of it all day and trying to get some work done :) |
| 21:05.05 | CosmicPenguin | You interested? |
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