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| 00:52.11 | fishhead | damn transmeta just went out of business :/ |
| 00:53.36 | Genesis | erf |
| 00:54.01 | Genesis | what do they do for you fishhead ? |
| 00:54.12 | fishhead | nothing |
| 00:56.11 | Genesis | so ? |
| 00:56.20 | Genesis | just another firm went out ... |
| 00:56.40 | Genesis | like many :/ |
| 00:57.11 | fishhead | yeah well that's business |
| 01:02.06 | Russ | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2005/05/glass-half-empty.html |
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| 04:13.18 | T0mW | I was thinking that someone might come back in spanish and I don't know that language |
| 04:13.33 | Russ | como esta |
| 04:13.40 | T0mW | yeah, right |
| 04:14.28 | T0mW | I should have taken spanish in high school, it would have been far more useful to me than the german they recommended for their science majors. |
| 04:15.26 | Russ | everyone who lives here just automatically learns a large amount of spanish anyway |
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| 15:15.21 | prpplague | freak phone guy out on the pole jacking with my adsl line |
| 15:27.18 | fishhead | http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_104164/article.html |
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| 17:37.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lo ho |
| 17:37.50 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
| 17:38.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: get this, chandler woke up this morning with all these zit looking things on his face, took him to the doc and he's got impetigo |
| 17:38.49 | prpplague | :( |
| 17:38.55 | prpplague | the joys of kids |
| 17:39.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got my dac spi working |
| 17:39.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still no data on the fb though |
| 17:39.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if i send random bits the the fb, should i atleast get some garbage? |
| 17:39.47 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
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| 17:41.23 | prpplague | hmm |
| 17:41.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm not even getting that |
| 17:42.36 | CosmicPenguin | are you sure you have your framebuffer mapped correctly? |
| 17:43.21 | CosmicPenguin | better question |
| 17:43.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no not entirely |
| 17:43.35 | CosmicPenguin | can you jump in with your jtag and write to the phwyical address and see crap on the screen? |
| 17:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | phwyical? Who am I, barbara walkters? |
| 17:46.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: checking now |
| 17:59.11 | KrissKross | JMP! |
| 17:59.14 | KrissKross | ASM WILL MAKE YA |
| 17:59.15 | KrissKross | JMP! |
| 17:59.15 | KrissKross | JMP! |
| 17:59.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: will you do the honors? |
| 17:59.33 | KrissKross | what? no sense of humor |
| 17:59.37 | KrissKross | grow up you big baby |
| 17:59.58 | CosmicPenguin | figures |
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| 18:06.53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that jtag thing work? |
| 18:07.04 | fishhead | of course it works |
| 18:07.09 | fishhead | if prpp put it together :P |
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| 18:12.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: bad news for AMD today |
| 18:14.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: negative |
| 18:14.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: something is wrong, checking now |
| 18:14.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats up at AMD? |
| 18:14.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you see the apple announcement? |
| 18:14.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: apple and intel ? |
| 18:14.39 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 18:14.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: heard rumors but didn't know they made an announcment |
| 18:15.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i have the pallete not set properly |
| 18:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - yeah, that wiil do it |
| 18:16.13 | CosmicPenguin | a palette full of 0's won't show you much... :) |
| 18:16.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: checking now |
| 18:16.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this is a real learning experience |
| 18:16.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fb seems imho no very well documented |
| 18:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | well, it is and it isn't |
| 18:16.54 | CosmicPenguin | I think the skeletonfb is pretty well done |
| 18:17.10 | CosmicPenguin | but there are lots of little secret things you can only find by examining other peoples drivers |
| 18:17.28 | CosmicPenguin | plus, in many cases, people do things wrong, or differently then you expect |
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| 18:17.54 | fishhead | yeah I can't believe apple went with intel |
| 18:17.58 | fishhead | espically since the current p4 core is done |
| 18:18.07 | fishhead | intel must be giving them away like they did the p3 for xbox |
| 18:18.23 | fishhead | or apple is playing one hell of a game of poker |
| 18:18.26 | CosmicPenguin | They'll ship dual cores when they finally get all their ducks in a row |
| 18:18.37 | fishhead | it will still suck |
| 18:18.40 | fishhead | compared to opteron |
| 18:18.53 | CosmicPenguin | we just can't plain deliever that many chips, unfortunately |
| 18:19.01 | fishhead | :/ |
| 18:19.11 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1365 |
| 18:19.12 | CosmicPenguin | read that |
| 18:19.20 | fishhead | how's the mips chip doing |
| 18:19.23 | fishhead | whatever the heck it's called |
| 18:20.19 | CosmicPenguin | thats alchemy |
| 18:21.06 | fishhead | yeah, how is that doing |
| 18:21.56 | fishhead | any decent embedded space wins ? |
| 18:22.21 | CosmicPenguin | its a popular chip |
| 18:22.48 | fishhead | it should be, looked like good design to me |
| 18:23.26 | fishhead | i dunno if geode is going to go anywhere though :/ |
| 18:23.46 | CosmicPenguin | Geode is far more popular then you think it is |
| 18:24.11 | fishhead | good :) |
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| 18:33.58 | [g2] | As an AMD stock holder, I think AMD is positioned "ok" |
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| 18:34.49 | [g2] | I think that with the divestiture of the flash division they are setting themselves up as a "pure play" in the processor arena |
| 18:35.10 | [g2] | They bet the company with the AMD64 and it was a sucessful bet for them |
| 18:35.28 | [g2] | And as an end-user, I'm and many ppl are all the better for it |
| 18:36.58 | [g2] | It was funny when I was in my local computer shop and the manager told me the case manufactures where having to cut extra slots in the cases because the P4 generate some much head |
| 18:37.00 | [g2] | heat |
| 18:38.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well crude, still nothing |
| 18:39.22 | CosmicPenguin | [g2]: don't forget the embedded side... :) |
| 18:39.34 | CosmicPenguin | x86 everywhere - baby! |
| 18:40.38 | [g2] | CosmicPenguin, the embedded side is ok. I think the new Geodes are interesting but it's gonna take some time for uptake |
| 18:40.48 | CosmicPenguin | it always does |
| 18:41.01 | [g2] | ARM is pretty well entrenched in the space and they'll be hard to displace there |
| 18:41.39 | CosmicPenguin | Different space - at least for the geode |
| 18:42.37 | CosmicPenguin | We just need to convince people that the Geode is suitable for more then just a thin client or cheap PC |
| 18:42.40 | [g2] | it's always facinating to me watching all the change |
| 18:43.11 | [g2] | I see the monster convergence on the low-cost/low-power end |
| 18:43.15 | fishhead | g2 yeah me too except I am 31 and it makes me feel even older than I already am |
| 18:43.32 | [g2] | fishhead, I'm almost old enough to be your dad :) |
| 18:43.42 | fishhead | heh |
| 18:43.47 | [g2] | I feel really young |
| 18:44.52 | [g2] | CosmicPenguin, i really think all this cheap power is going to cause major changes in the next 5-10 years |
| 18:45.14 | [g2] | cheap power as in cheap CPU powerful devices |
| 18:45.29 | CosmicPenguin | I agree with that assessment |
| 18:45.52 | [g2] | I mean I've been hacking the slug (NSLU2) for the last 10 months and it |
| 18:46.03 | [g2] | is pretty amazing what you can do with an $80 device |
| 18:46.12 | Crofton_ | hmmm, I just enabled swap on my OSK |
| 18:46.24 | CosmicPenguin | [g2]: and thats probably a $60 BOM, if that |
| 18:46.44 | Crofton_ | root@omap5912osk:~# free |
| 18:46.44 | Crofton_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.44 | Crofton_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.44 | Crofton_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.44 | Crofton_ | Total: 63116 29076 34040 |
| 18:46.44 | [g2] | CosmicPenguin, exactly why I'm starting that HW company :) |
| 18:47.20 | jamie | g2: what's your company going to do? |
| 18:47.24 | CosmicPenguin | I'm amazed at some of the BOM totals that I hear about every once in a while - its like, geez - I have that much in change behind my couch |
| 18:48.00 | [g2] | jamie, I'm and Opensource sw company that's going to start selling hw to go with it |
| 18:48.17 | [g2] | The NSLU2 is a NAS device from Linksys |
| 18:48.28 | jamie | cool. I want to start a company that sells opensource hw, but the technology's not _quite_ here yet :) |
| 18:48.44 | [g2] | are you a hw guy ? |
| 18:48.52 | jamie | A little, more sw though. |
| 18:49.08 | [g2] | what's you definition of little ? |
| 18:49.10 | jamie | I'd like to do opensource hw because it's more of a challenge. |
| 18:50.00 | jamie | I worked on a board with 36 x 50k FPGAs... as one of the board designers, and the person who then programmed the FPGAs. |
| 18:50.30 | jamie | But most of what I do is sw. |
| 18:51.31 | [g2] | do you do FPGA programming ? |
| 18:51.43 | jamie | There's about a billion people working on software at the moment, which makes it less interesting to me that it used to be. |
| 18:52.18 | jamie | I've done quite a lot; I also worked on an FPGA compiler. But not for a couple of years now. |
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| 18:52.47 | jamie | Why, do you need some FPGAs programming? ;-) |
| 18:53.04 | [g2] | jamie, we really could use a FPGA guy on our OpenJTAG project :) |
| 18:53.29 | [g2] | we've using some Spartan 3 development boards |
| 18:53.35 | [g2] | and need some FPGA programming |
| 18:54.14 | [g2] | join us in #openjtag :) |
| 18:54.33 | jamie | have done! |
| 18:54.54 | fishhead | whoops that wasn't supposted to go to every channel, sorry |
| 18:55.23 | jamie | fishhead: this is a channel for professionals, not smutty teens ;-) |
| 18:55.38 | fishhead | yeah I know I did /ame instead of /me |
| 18:55.39 | fishhead | sorry |
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| 18:56.19 | fishhead | genesis |
| 18:56.20 | fishhead | dude |
| 18:56.23 | fishhead | do you have target in france |
| 18:57.35 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 18:58.06 | fishhead | do you have target in france |
| 18:58.23 | Genesis | if i live in france ? |
| 18:58.30 | fishhead | aren't you in france ? |
| 18:58.38 | Genesis | i'm in france yes ... |
| 18:58.50 | fishhead | do you have target stores? |
| 18:59.37 | Genesis | hum which stores ? |
| 18:59.48 | Genesis | i don't understand why this question |
| 19:00.16 | fishhead | store chain called "TARGET" |
| 19:00.32 | Genesis | ho i don't know this stores |
| 19:00.37 | fishhead | nm then |
| 19:00.47 | fishhead | they just discountered the juicebox also |
| 19:00.51 | fishhead | looks like the thing is a flop |
| 19:01.01 | fishhead | so mabye it will get cheap everywhere and you can find it cheap in france :) |
| 19:01.11 | Genesis | i buy one this morning |
| 19:01.17 | fishhead | how much ? |
| 19:01.28 | Genesis | 40 € ship include |
| 19:01.37 | fishhead | hmm, mabye little high |
| 19:01.48 | fishhead | since there are better embedded systems out there |
| 19:01.58 | fishhead | juicebox was just cool cause it was $13 at walmart |
| 19:02.12 | fishhead | but you always sound to me like a smart kid |
| 19:02.16 | fishhead | i am sure you will get $80+ out of it |
| 19:02.23 | fishhead | by the time you finish hacking it up :) |
| 19:03.00 | Genesis | sure |
| 19:03.10 | Genesis | i don't find flash rom |
| 19:03.14 | fishhead | do you know what kinda it is |
| 19:03.19 | fishhead | the 2 meg unit or the 8 meg unit |
| 19:03.27 | Genesis | 8 meg unit |
| 19:03.30 | fishhead | :) |
| 19:03.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: should the linux logo still be displayed on the fb even if the fb isn't the console? |
| 19:03.55 | Genesis | i think , the photo have no led |
| 19:04.19 | Crofton_ | No :) |
| 19:04.24 | Genesis | fishhead : why did you not say that before i buy one ? |
| 19:04.30 | Crofton_ | oh wait, you are running linus though |
| 19:04.35 | Crofton_ | er linux |
| 19:04.43 | fishhead | genesis what do you mean |
| 19:05.00 | fishhead | I didn't know you were buying one |
| 19:05.15 | fishhead | prpp, has palmsource approached you guys yet? |
| 19:05.31 | fishhead | i can't wait to test something on my t5 |
| 19:05.40 | prpplague | fishhead: why would they approach us? |
| 19:05.48 | fishhead | they want to do linux base for their os |
| 19:06.01 | prpplague | fishhead: what? |
| 19:06.10 | fishhead | you never heard this ? |
| 19:06.43 | fishhead | yah they want to do a linux based palm os with the palm os on top as like a shell |
| 19:07.32 | prpplague | fishhead: again i ask.... |
| 19:07.34 | prpplague | fishhead: why would they approach us? |
| 19:07.36 | Genesis | like vxworks ? |
| 19:07.44 | fishhead | because you guys do all the pocketPC hw linux port stuff |
| 19:08.06 | prpplague | fishhead: what? |
| 19:08.18 | fishhead | well some of you involved with it at least |
| 19:08.28 | prpplague | fishhead: no one at my company |
| 19:08.37 | fishhead | I mean the channel |
| 19:08.40 | fishhead | not your company dude |
| 19:08.40 | prpplague | fishhead: we design everything from the ground up for linux |
| 19:08.46 | fishhead | here |
| 19:08.47 | prpplague | oh |
| 19:08.53 | fishhead | YOU STUPID CANUCK |
| 19:09.01 | fishhead | :P |
| 19:09.48 | fishhead | how is it down there prpp |
| 19:09.51 | fishhead | power stable and stuff ? |
| 19:09.59 | prpplague | fishhead: first warning of the day, easy on the caps, and cut out the slang |
| 19:10.09 | prpplague | fishhead: yea |
| 19:10.20 | fishhead | good |
| 19:10.55 | fishhead | man I can't believe those cell phone cigarette lighter adaptor chargers have a DC to DC inside |
| 19:20.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this fb is reallllllly frustrating |
| 19:20.38 | CosmicPenguin | heh - yeah, they'll do that |
| 19:20.41 | CosmicPenguin | whats happening now? |
| 19:20.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sames as before |
| 19:20.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like i have all the freqs correct now |
| 19:21.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just no response from the lcd |
| 19:22.02 | CosmicPenguin | heh - power is applied, right? :) |
| 19:22.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 19:22.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can jump the contrast up high and see thats it working |
| 19:23.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: plus i check with a meter |
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| 20:59.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: @#$%@#$%@$#% |
| 20:59.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this fb is driving me nuts |
| 21:00.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing seems to make sense on the software side of things |
| 21:03.17 | CosmicPenguin | well, think at it from a hardware side |
| 21:03.41 | CosmicPenguin | you already said that your physical address might not be right |
| 21:03.49 | CosmicPenguin | that would cause all of what you are seeing |
| 21:03.55 | CosmicPenguin | or not, as the case may be |
| 21:05.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how would i verify the address? |
| 21:08.53 | CosmicPenguin | thats a hardware thing, I guess |
| 21:09.06 | prpplague | hmm |
| 21:11.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i mean i know what address the panel is being mapped to, question is where should i look to verify that address |
| 21:12.33 | CosmicPenguin | you said you tried to write to the address with jtag, but nada, right? |
| 21:13.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: to the mapped memory address, yea |
| 21:15.41 | CosmicPenguin | is something wrong with your mapping then? |
| 21:15.50 | CosmicPenguin | Can you write to the physical address with the jtag? |
| 21:16.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess thats the problem then, i don't know what physical address i should be writing to |
| 21:16.45 | CosmicPenguin | You just have the virtual address that its mapped to? |
| 21:19.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, looks like we have a map_cpu, map_size, and map_dma |