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| 01:04.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:04.49 | sorphin | Unsealed SCO Email Reveals Linux Code is Clean |
| 01:05.06 | fishhead | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050714144923365 <--- is it just me or is SCO *CANUCKED*?? |
| 01:05.15 | sorphin | sounds over to me |
| 01:05.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:05.21 | fishhead | :) |
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| 01:06.05 | sorphin | TimRiker: evening |
| 01:06.15 | sorphin | sounds like the SCO thing should get dismissed now, heh |
| 01:07.12 | TimRiker | sorphin: new news? /me groklaws |
| 01:08.00 | sorphin | the SCO email that no code was found in a 2002 audit |
| 01:08.07 | fishhead | tim |
| 01:08.09 | fishhead | sco is canucked |
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| 01:09.33 | TimRiker | me just read the groklaw bit about it. cool! |
| 01:09.45 | Genesis | something know a schema of a rs232/ps2 converter ? |
| 01:09.55 | Genesis | or if it is possible |
| 01:10.17 | TimRiker | Genesis: we speak english here.... just kidding. what are you asking for? |
| 01:10.24 | MonMotha | Genesis: easiest way would probably be to bit-band the PS2 controller protocol with a microcontroller and talk to the PC over the UART |
| 01:10.41 | MonMotha | I've got some 8051 stuff to do similar stuff sitting around somewhere I need to finish |
| 01:10.56 | sorphin | MonMotha: you mean bit-bang :P |
| 01:10.56 | MonMotha | though mine emulates a controller and accepts input via the UART |
| 01:11.01 | MonMotha | sorphin: indeed, I do |
| 01:11.52 | Genesis | oula |
| 01:11.56 | fishhead | MON |
| 01:11.59 | Genesis | it's a work for just a converter |
| 01:12.02 | fishhead | YOU LIKE 8051? |
| 01:12.13 | MonMotha | most people use the parallel port and just let the PC handle the banging |
| 01:12.17 | Genesis | i read some stuff about 8051 looking for this |
| 01:12.24 | fishhead | GENE HEY |
| 01:12.38 | MonMotha | 8051 is a pretty common arch for this kind of thin |
| 01:12.39 | MonMotha | g |
| 01:12.40 | fishhead | WWW.8052.COM |
| 01:12.49 | fishhead | also 8051 faq |
| 01:12.54 | MonMotha | it's easy to find small, inexpensive 8051s with a UART and enough IO to do this |
| 01:13.02 | fishhead | 8051 is a good little control processor |
| 01:13.24 | MonMotha | AT80C2051 (I believe) is what I'm using |
| 01:13.29 | Genesis | http://www.hth.com/filelibrary/TXTFILES/keyboard.txt |
| 01:13.41 | fishhead | yeah 8051 was very popular as a keyboard chip |
| 01:13.43 | fishhead | for many yrs |
| 01:13.50 | fishhead | now most of the time they use a mcu with it's balls cut off |
| 01:13.53 | fishhead | cause it's cheaper |
| 01:13.58 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh, think an 8051 would work well for a traffic controlling device? (not a real street one, but a faxcimily) |
| 01:13.59 | fishhead | but some high end ones still use 8051 |
| 01:14.10 | MonMotha | sorphin: sure, why not? :) |
| 01:14.16 | fishhead | shame sorphin has me on ignore I might help him |
| 01:14.35 | MonMotha | Genesis: oh, PS2 keyboard...I thought you meant a playstation 2 controller :) |
| 01:14.52 | sorphin | one is a motorola 68HC908 |
| 01:15.09 | sorphin | nother is an intel chip |
| 01:15.17 | fishhead | someone tell sorphin to take me off ignore |
| 01:15.24 | fishhead | I have a bunch of 8051 links |
| 01:15.25 | MonMotha | Genesis: beyondlogic has a good description of the AT keyboard protocol, which the PS2 keyboard is the same thing as with a different connector |
| 01:15.28 | Wingnut | one of the nicest 8051 devices I've seen is made by Maxim |
| 01:15.33 | fishhead | wingnut yeah |
| 01:15.47 | sorphin | MonMotha: how many outputs? |
| 01:15.48 | fishhead | maxim, philips, st, atmel, and cyngal/silicon labs |
| 01:15.50 | Wingnut | it can be programmed through the serial port instead of having to flash it |
| 01:15.52 | fishhead | probably the best ones |
| 01:15.53 | MonMotha | Maxim/Dallas has some really overblown 8501 stuff..nice devices though |
| 01:15.55 | Genesis | i need a schema |
| 01:15.59 | MonMotha | Wingnut: the bigger Atmel chips can too |
| 01:15.59 | Genesis | not a new project :) |
| 01:16.18 | fishhead | wingnut can you see me ? |
| 01:16.22 | Wingnut | yes |
| 01:16.23 | MonMotha | Genesis: beyondlogic has such a thing, using a motorola 6800 series IIRC |
| 01:16.27 | fishhead | wingnut the 8051 is still so popular 20+ yrs later |
| 01:16.34 | Wingnut | indeed |
| 01:16.39 | fishhead | that some fpga maker had to had a soft core 8051 to their product |
| 01:16.43 | fishhead | because the customers kept demanding it |
| 01:16.44 | fishhead | :) |
| 01:16.48 | MonMotha | sorphin: that little atmel chip I used? I think it's a 20 pin part, -4 for power and xtal |
| 01:16.53 | sorphin | MonMotha: and even if i could program the 68hc908, no way i could decompile his code :P |
| 01:17.20 | sorphin | MonMotha: nod |
| 01:17.29 | sorphin | need atleast 5 outputs |
| 01:17.30 | fishhead | the st 8051 has programmable logic and up to 512 kb flash and 32kb sram |
| 01:17.35 | sorphin | more is prefered tho |
| 01:17.41 | MonMotha | oh, it's got at least 2 full bytewide I/O ports |
| 01:17.41 | fishhead | and using the logic you can switch the flash between one area or both |
| 01:17.45 | fishhead | program or data space |
| 01:17.48 | MonMotha | and then at least another nibblewide |
| 01:17.52 | fishhead | or both |
| 01:18.05 | sorphin | but that's ghetto |
| 01:18.20 | sorphin | MonMotha: http://wibble.captainrock.com:8090/traffic2.jpg |
| 01:20.53 | TimRiker | hmm. so whay hasn't sco stock tanked? shorting the stock should be a sure bet, no? |
| 01:21.07 | TimRiker | ~quote scox |
| 01:21.35 | sorphin | TimRiker: prolly won't tank till a judge actually throws it out |
| 01:22.17 | sorphin | file: lo |
| 01:22.57 | sorphin | ok, who's on 208-14-25-80.gcecisp.com that looked at my schematic? :P |
| 01:23.12 | Wingnut | hehe...that's me |
| 01:23.22 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:24.01 | sorphin | got 3 4 packs of the triacs for $1.59 each |
| 01:24.09 | sorphin | and 3 4 packs of the optos for $1 each |
| 01:24.09 | MonMotha | ah, nice and cheap |
| 01:24.17 | sorphin | MonMotha: electronics goldmine |
| 01:24.50 | sorphin | MonMotha: almost bought one of: http://tinyurl.com/b84x5 |
| 01:25.35 | file | sorphin: greetings |
| 01:25.43 | sorphin | also have a nice looking glass IC mask |
| 01:25.46 | MonMotha | haha |
| 01:26.00 | sorphin | file: how goes mr file? |
| 01:26.15 | file | sorphin: meh |
| 01:26.22 | sorphin | whyso? |
| 01:26.43 | file | I keep thinking today is Friday and that tomorrow is Saturday, but noooooooo |
| 01:26.43 | sorphin | MonMotha: you can do C for the 8051, right? |
| 01:26.49 | sorphin | file: me too |
| 01:26.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:26.57 | sorphin | felt like it should be |
| 01:27.58 | MonMotha | sorphin: you can, though for small stuff it's probably not worth it |
| 01:28.06 | sorphin | MonMotha: all these other circuits that have triacs are hooking directly to the MCU |
| 01:28.10 | sorphin | no opto, no nothin |
| 01:28.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:28.22 | MonMotha | there's a fair bit of uglyness because of the harvard arch of the 8051 |
| 01:28.26 | sorphin | well, i'm a bit rusty on ASM period |
| 01:28.32 | sorphin | muchless 8051 asm |
| 01:28.41 | MonMotha | I sure as hell wouldn't hook a triac right up to a micro |
| 01:28.55 | sorphin | MonMotha: they're floating the circuits |
| 01:28.57 | MonMotha | 8051 asm is pretty easy |
| 01:29.25 | sorphin | got a good reference? |
| 01:29.36 | MonMotha | sorphin: actually yes, hang on |
| 01:30.28 | MonMotha | sorphin: hang on, let me scan it |
| 01:30.42 | file | oh frell I forgot this decompressed into a 4GB image |
| 01:30.43 | fishhead | wingnut |
| 01:30.44 | MonMotha | this book was published in 1988 |
| 01:30.49 | fishhead | tell sorphin to take me off ignore |
| 01:30.56 | MonMotha | IIRC, it's on Intel's site somewhere in almost identical form, but I don't know where |
| 01:32.29 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:32.40 | sorphin | file: ? |
| 01:33.05 | file | I'm installign coLinux on my last Windows box just for the hell of it |
| 01:33.14 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:33.35 | file | oh, I was going to setup subversion too |
| 01:34.09 | sorphin | g's even |
| 01:34.19 | MonMotha | let me see how this turns out |
| 01:34.22 | sorphin | k |
| 01:34.41 | file | I tried to do emerge on a Fedora box |
| 01:34.42 | sorphin | MonMotha: http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/images/G14259B.jpg that's the glass IC mask |
| 01:35.12 | sorphin | oh fsck |
| 01:35.29 | sorphin | just Ctrl-Shift-W'd instead of Ctrl-W'd and closed the whole window |
| 01:35.31 | sorphin | grr |
| 01:37.54 | sorphin | MonMotha: it's not the MCS@51 MICROCONTROLLER |
| 01:37.55 | sorphin | FAMILY USER’S MANUAL |
| 01:37.58 | sorphin | is it? |
| 01:38.28 | MonMotha | could be |
| 01:39.09 | sorphin | tho, this was published in 1994 |
| 01:39.55 | sorphin | it's 334 pages |
| 01:40.19 | MonMotha | I've got the 4 pages of asm reference scanned |
| 01:40.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:42.10 | sorphin | :-P |
| 01:42.18 | fishhead | fine |
| 01:42.25 | fishhead | then I will save all my 8051 urls for someone else |
| 01:42.32 | MonMotha | wow, I ran out of RAM... |
| 01:43.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:43.31 | MonMotha | they're 600DPI scans that came in as grayscale |
| 01:43.35 | MonMotha | so they were kinda big |
| 01:43.44 | fishhead | I had a bunch of 8051 links |
| 01:43.47 | fishhead | because it's my favorite |
| 01:44.27 | MonMotha | http://packeted.scriptkiddie.net/~monmotha/8051.tar |
| 01:44.33 | MonMotha | I couldn't be troubled to make a PDF |
| 01:44.40 | sorphin | what are they then? |
| 01:44.50 | fishhead | www.8052.com |
| 01:45.20 | MonMotha | pngs |
| 01:45.28 | MonMotha | there's only 4 pages |
| 01:45.30 | fishhead | plus I am in the middle of vnc repairing some guys window box |
| 01:45.34 | fishhead | crap |
| 01:45.41 | MonMotha | 600DPI 1-bit indexed |
| 01:45.43 | MonMotha | like 200k each |
| 01:45.53 | sorphin | k |
| 01:46.05 | Genesis | Hoooo hot ! |
| 01:46.10 | fishhead | i'll try to find them and give you them tomarrow sorphin |
| 01:46.10 | Genesis | i make a ebay challenge |
| 01:46.19 | Genesis | in the last minute |
| 01:46.23 | sorphin | uh.. |
| 01:46.28 | sorphin | an ebay challenge? |
| 01:46.36 | Genesis | i make 5 auctions ; against a guy |
| 01:46.42 | Genesis | start to 31 |
| 01:46.51 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:46.56 | Genesis | finish 36 |
| 01:47.02 | Genesis | it's was very hot |
| 01:47.12 | sorphin | what is it? |
| 01:47.42 | Genesis | http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5986189537&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 01:48.13 | sorphin | MonMotha: btw. nice url :P heh |
| 01:48.19 | sorphin | Genesis: oh.. one of those.. |
| 01:48.29 | MonMotha | sorphin: thanks :) |
| 01:48.51 | sorphin | MonMotha: your domain then? |
| 01:49.33 | MonMotha | sorphin: dyndns domain, I jsut snatched up "packeted" on it when they acquired scriptkiddie.net |
| 01:49.40 | MonMotha | I actually own monmotha.net, but I don't have it set up |
| 01:49.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:49.55 | sorphin | scriptkiddies.net is for sale |
| 01:50.22 | sorphin | and hackers-anonymous.org |
| 01:50.45 | Genesis | ?! |
| 01:50.51 | sorphin | Genesis: ? |
| 01:50.55 | sorphin | Genesis: ! |
| 01:51.06 | Genesis | you're collecting useless domain ? |
| 01:51.11 | sorphin | eh? |
| 01:51.15 | sorphin | they're not useless |
| 01:51.16 | Genesis | you win too much money ? |
| 01:51.28 | Genesis | TechNoBoy.net is for sale! $688.00 |
| 01:51.40 | Genesis | is it a joke ? |
| 01:51.40 | Genesis | :} |
| 01:51.46 | sorphin | um |
| 01:51.55 | sorphin | wait.. taht's right.. i dropped technoboy.net |
| 01:52.07 | sorphin | people kept hitting my webserver looking for someone else from way back |
| 01:52.33 | sorphin | but noting ever came about from it |
| 01:53.16 | sorphin | no one'll pay that much for it |
| 01:54.02 | sorphin | that's pathetic |
| 01:54.02 | MonMotha | I get really pissed with domain snipers |
| 01:54.43 | Genesis | me too |
| 01:55.22 | sorphin | MonMotha: got any good 8051 sample code? :-) basically just toggling the outputs on ;) |
| 01:55.44 | MonMotha | sorphin: sure...hold |
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| 01:55.57 | MonMotha | shit...I don't know if this is OSS or not... |
| 01:56.26 | MonMotha | I've got some stuff I don't care about, but I haven't even finished or passed it through an assembler yet |
| 01:56.40 | sorphin | still haven't broken it |
| 01:56.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:57.45 | sorphin | but it forwards to them |
| 01:57.52 | MonMotha | sorphin: it may only be usable for statics |
| 01:58.19 | MonMotha | hum, well I have it through them :) |
| 01:58.25 | MonMotha | it may be a "pay only" thing now |
| 01:58.32 | sorphin | heh, ham-radio-op.net |
| 02:00.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:00.55 | sorphin | endoftheinternet.org |
| 02:00.56 | sorphin | cute |
| 02:01.07 | sorphin | i.am.at.the.endoftheinternet.org |
| 02:01.11 | sorphin | :) |
| 02:03.36 | sorphin | man their reg prices are high |
| 02:04.33 | MonMotha | sorphin: I don't have any known working stuff that is licensed such that I can give it to you right now |
| 02:05.06 | Wingnut | I've got some sample code in asm and C (for use with SDCC) if you want it |
| 02:05.31 | Wingnut | it's pretty simple, and probably doesn't do all the error checking it should |
| 02:06.03 | sorphin | SDCC? |
| 02:06.30 | Wingnut | http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:06.49 | Wingnut | err...it may be for use with the Keil C complier, I can't remember right now |
| 02:06.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:07.41 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 02:07.53 | sorphin | i.am.at.the.endoftheinternet.org |
| 02:08.02 | sorphin | and got redirected to microsoft.com |
| 02:08.22 | sorphin | w/ Linux is a sh*t at the end of the Internet as the title in the title bar |
| 02:08.32 | MonMotha | nice |
| 02:08.38 | sorphin | or else it's a clone of M$'s site |
| 02:09.32 | MonMotha | it's probably a webhop redirect with cloak |
| 02:09.38 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:09.55 | sorphin | Wingnut: any of that code just bang out the outputs? |
| 02:12.38 | Wingnut | I've got c code to do that, lemme see if I have the asm that does it |
| 02:13.15 | sorphin | Wingnut: actually, if you have both that'd be handy, that way i can see the attack from both angles |
| 02:13.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:14.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:14.32 | off_ignore_30sec | http://www.pjrc.com/tech/8051/ |
| 02:16.47 | fishhead | that's it, thx |
| 02:18.09 | sorphin | heh, since i'm a ham again i should reg my callsign as a domain :P |
| 02:18.35 | Wingnut | I don't have any asm that does it, but if I remember right, all you have to do is mov P0, #FFh to configure the port to write, then mov P0 #xxh to write a hex byte to it |
| 02:18.48 | MonMotha | Wingnut: depends on the device |
| 02:18.53 | MonMotha | most 8051s are "quasi bi-directional" |
| 02:19.03 | MonMotha | basically, weak pull-up on an open collector output wired with an input |
| 02:19.12 | Wingnut | right, with a tristate on the inside |
| 02:19.15 | MonMotha | write 1s to it and you can read |
| 02:19.17 | MonMotha | exactly |
| 02:19.28 | MonMotha | however, some of them implement it differently (EZ-USB for example) |
| 02:19.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:19.44 | sorphin | great :P |
| 02:19.53 | Wingnut | IOW...don't get a weird one ;) |
| 02:20.21 | fishhead | heh I seen 8051 inside optical drives for ages |
| 02:20.26 | fishhead | I have a dead vcr here with a 8051 |
| 02:20.32 | fishhead | and many usb flash drive engines use 8051 |
| 02:20.44 | fishhead | the thing just refuses to go away |
| 02:20.46 | fishhead | like me :P |
| 02:20.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:20.54 | sorphin | the webpals have 8051s on em |
| 02:20.55 | sorphin | :P |
| 02:21.00 | fishhead | yeah I know |
| 02:21.30 | fishhead | it's a good no frills mcu |
| 02:21.35 | MonMotha | those are fairly standard 8051s actually |
| 02:21.39 | fishhead | just control apps etc just basic getting shit done |
| 02:22.28 | sorphin | the question becomes.. would i ever have a use for them in the webpal or should i scavenge them |
| 02:22.41 | fishhead | well the webpal I think the 8051 does IR processing |
| 02:22.50 | fishhead | if you don't plan to use the wireless keyboard or mouse then I would yank it |
| 02:22.57 | MonMotha | they're programmed as keyboar docoders |
| 02:23.01 | MonMotha | though I believe linux can do that itself |
| 02:23.09 | fishhead | oh you can bypass it ? |
| 02:23.09 | fishhead | cool |
| 02:23.25 | fishhead | sorphin yeah www.8052.com also btw |
| 02:23.44 | fishhead | atmel 8051's are some of the better ones I been told or seen in my research into 8051 and mcu's |
| 02:23.54 | fishhead | so probably worth yanking if linux can handle the ir |
| 02:24.09 | sorphin | i likely wouldn't be using the IR keyboards w/ them |
| 02:24.15 | sorphin | so they wouldn' serve that need |
| 02:25.05 | fishhead | might as well rescue it from his life's as a space heater then :p |
| 02:25.12 | fishhead | his/it's |
| 02:25.45 | MonMotha | then I dunno what you're going to do with them otherwise |
| 02:26.22 | fishhead | heh I got two 24x8 lcd's with onboard 64kb ram and 8051's I just need to replace the stock at&t phone core roms with something useful |
| 02:26.54 | fishhead | http://www.techknowman.com/Kits/Kits.htm |
| 02:26.58 | fishhead | 2 of those |
| 02:27.16 | fishhead | from phones that shorted out and died but the lcd's were fine, guy I fixed pc's for gave them to me $40 each normally :P |
| 02:27.31 | Wingnut | sorphin: http://utdlug.org/~mcrist/8051source.tar.gz |
| 02:27.43 | fishhead | mmm |
| 02:27.53 | sorphin | MonMotha: use them for traffic light controllers ;-) |
| 02:27.58 | sorphin | Wingnut: tnx |
| 02:28.12 | fishhead | sorphin go luck with your project :) |
| 02:28.53 | sorphin | Wingnut: any file i should start in? heh |
| 02:28.54 | fishhead | mon don't those webpal ones have 8kb flash I think |
| 02:29.57 | Wingnut | ee6302/lab2/lab2.c |
| 02:30.04 | sorphin | k |
| 02:30.29 | Wingnut | or ee6302/lab1/10hello.asm if you want assembly |
| 02:30.41 | Wingnut | but it doesn't bit bang |
| 02:31.35 | MonMotha | sorphin: is that asm reference I gave you good? |
| 02:32.49 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, it gives me a reference to all the commands, but i'm so rusty on ASM in generally these days now, that's why i've been wanting refence code (and wingnut comments his code :) ) |
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| 02:34.31 | sorphin | Wingnut: heh, talking to a an ATM speaking decide eh? |
| 02:34.35 | sorphin | :) |
| 02:36.07 | Wingnut | homework for the microcontrollers class |
| 02:36.18 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:36.43 | Wingnut | it was used to determine the egress port for an incoming packet, including incrementing the timeout value on an ATM frame |
| 02:36.52 | sorphin | guy at gateway electronics also recommended using AVRs too, heh |
| 02:36.59 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:37.00 | Wingnut | I've got another one for IP routing, but I've got to find it |
| 02:38.16 | fishhead | sorphin if you need to #avr |
| 02:38.23 | fishhead | avr is a very nice mcu |
| 02:40.36 | Genesis | bye |
| 02:41.00 | Wingnut | sorphin: http://utdlug.org/~mcrist/lab2report1.sxw if you need more info on the lab2 source |
| 02:41.38 | sorphin | sxw? |
| 02:42.51 | Wingnut | openoffice |
| 02:42.58 | Wingnut | older version |
| 02:43.08 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:48.47 | MonMotha | sorphin: I comment my code too, but I have none right now that I know to work that I can also give you legally |
| 02:48.58 | MonMotha | I have something that may eventually be GPL, but currently is not |
| 02:49.52 | MonMotha | well, this is being done under contract |
| 02:49.55 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:51.25 | fishhead | sorphin btw |
| 02:51.40 | fishhead | to make avr programmer all you need is like a 74LS244 a resistor and a parallel port |
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| 03:00.23 | sorphin | Wingnut: re |
| 03:00.26 | Wingnut | ty |
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| 04:26.37 | T0mW | Wingnut: I was looking for something like SDCC about 10 years ago. :-( |
| 04:28.15 | T0mW | well, all things in their own time |
| 04:31.11 | MonMotha | heh, no good C compilers for tiny micros back in 95? |
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| 04:40.05 | T0mW | MonMotha: not really, only thing I had to use was Archemedes C and that was a knock-off of the Small-C compiler |
| 04:41.18 | T0mW | MonMotha: there was a cross-compiler for M68K at that time, but not much for 8 bit machines |
| 04:42.51 | MonMotha | MythTV is amazing |
| 04:42.56 | MonMotha | it can crash when doing the silliest things |
| 04:43.34 | T0mW | naw, mine is stable |
| 04:43.56 | T0mW | Mandriva 2005 Limited Edition works as a good foundation |
| 04:43.59 | MonMotha | how the hell did you manage that? |
| 04:44.17 | MonMotha | though you're probably not doing digital TV or any hidef stuff |
| 04:44.21 | MonMotha | are you even using XvMC? |
| 04:44.22 | T0mW | Then, loaded up with Thac's rpms (myth-suite) |
| 04:44.43 | T0mW | wtf is XvMC ? |
| 04:44.59 | T0mW | I've no hi-def stuff |
| 04:44.59 | MonMotha | hardware motion compensation |
| 04:45.08 | MonMotha | ah, that stuff is really fscking unstable |
| 04:45.59 | MonMotha | mine is fine as long as you don't ask it to do anything semi-fancy |
| 04:47.02 | T0mW | "X-Video Motion Compensation - API specification v. 1.0" still leaves me wondering what it is... |
| 04:47.21 | MonMotha | T0mW: hardware assistance for MPEG2 decoding, helps with some scaling and stuff |
| 04:47.29 | T0mW | ok |
| 04:47.50 | MonMotha | if you're doing 1920x1080 video, even a rather modern PC isn't fast enough to do everything in software |
| 04:48.01 | T0mW | no, I am strictly analog-->mpeg2 here: hauppauge pvr250 cards |
| 04:48.08 | MonMotha | ah |
| 04:48.25 | MonMotha | I have a PVR-150 (which the drivers aren't entirely stable for, but buying PVR-250s is hard these days since they've mostly been replaced by the 150s) |
| 04:48.36 | MonMotha | it works ok, but it sometimes aborts recordings right in the middle |
| 04:48.47 | T0mW | heh, got 146 movies on the server now, edited the commercials out and transcoded them to LAV (Mpeg-4) |
| 04:48.55 | MonMotha | supposedly if you crank your PCI latency to unreasonably high numbers, it works better |
| 04:49.05 | T0mW | ow |
| 04:49.21 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 04:49.47 | T0mW | you're running pretty bleedin-edge |
| 04:50.02 | MonMotha | yeah, but even stuff that shoudl work sometimes has problems |
| 04:50.24 | T0mW | MonMotha: yeah, that pvr-150 is really interesting. IIRC, isn't there one with two tuners on it? |
| 04:50.25 | MonMotha | I was watching live TV on a bttv card with software encoding, and it locked up |
| 04:50.35 | MonMotha | yeah, the PVR-500 is two PVR-150s on the same card, basically |
| 04:50.41 | T0mW | that is it |
| 04:51.05 | MonMotha | actually, my digital TV tuner works great, mythtv just has issues |
| 04:51.13 | MonMotha | for example, it will lock the backend hard if it loses signal |
| 04:51.22 | MonMotha | (even if you're not actually watching the digital tuner) |
| 04:51.38 | T0mW | wish hauppauge would help out with some info though, help developers out. Kind of the same mentality as the folks at ZipIt. |
| 04:51.44 | MonMotha | to be fair, mythtv was originally designed with the assumption you'd be using cable or similar |
| 04:51.52 | MonMotha | hauppage gives a little info, I know |
| 04:52.02 | MonMotha | they gave the list of their eeprom stuff |
| 04:52.22 | MonMotha | that way you can tell what tuner is on the card, etc. |
| 04:52.28 | T0mW | mythtv is designed wierd, the software engine has no traps in it for improperly coded stuff |
| 04:52.43 | MonMotha | I had gathered that |
| 04:53.02 | T0mW | I was adding in a feature that I wanted into the mythtv source and found that it would invoke live-tv instead. |
| 04:53.12 | MonMotha | hah |
| 04:53.23 | MonMotha | I took one look at the mythtv source and decided I'd never want to touch it |
| 04:53.26 | T0mW | I was trying to add a new menu item |
| 04:54.26 | T0mW | I got the menu entry on the screen, but when I would select it, I would get the image of the menu but sound from live-tv would be heard. |
| 04:54.56 | T0mW | MonMotha: now that is not how to write dynamic-code |
| 04:55.16 | T0mW | I write stuff that has to "keep moving" |
| 04:55.21 | MonMotha | oh wow... |
| 04:55.47 | T0mW | anyway, I am happy with my setup |
| 04:57.03 | T0mW | I've got an 89Gig store on the myth box, then I copy the recorded stuff over gigabit to the server. over there I have 4 250G drives, 850G volume, and I edit, transcode, and store the video |
| 04:57.06 | MonMotha | mine works, I think I just have it doing too much for the code you just described to handle |
| 04:58.52 | MonMotha | 3 tuners, one v4l bttv, one pvr-150, and one ATSC DVB tuner |
| 04:59.15 | T0mW | One thing that makes me uneasy about LVM, it sure seems to take time to pull walk the inode links of the large volume. e.g. an 'ls' will hesitate, at first, for maybe 4..8 seconds before it gives listing |
| 04:59.32 | MonMotha | hum, I've not had that problem |
| 04:59.35 | MonMotha | btu I have a much smaller lvm |
| 04:59.53 | MonMotha | only two drives, about 200GB |
| 04:59.57 | T0mW | IIRC, I'm using XFS filesystem |
| 05:00.10 | MonMotha | as am I |
| 05:00.46 | T0mW | yeah, the whole system is xfs. 2.8GHz processor + 1G ram |
| 05:01.02 | T0mW | oh well, it works. :-P |
| 05:02.20 | MonMotha | mine does work, it's just that random things that don't normally cause problems sometimes do |
| 05:02.40 | T0mW | MonMotha: you've got quite a mix of stuff. I'm not comfortable with the bttv stuff, seems to be too much going on in software. I like the mpeg2 encoder/tuners: KISS |
| 05:03.11 | MonMotha | the v4l software encoder stuff is well supported by everything though |
| 05:03.13 | T0mW | I wonder if it is not myth at all that is the problem but the tuner drivers |
| 05:03.14 | T0mW | ? |
| 05:03.22 | MonMotha | the bttv drivers are ancient, and mythtv supports it well |
| 05:03.29 | T0mW | nod |
| 05:03.31 | MonMotha | well, the PVR-150 aborting recordings may be a hardware fault |
| 05:03.38 | MonMotha | but I know that the digital stuff is just MythTV being dumb |
| 05:04.09 | MonMotha | the problem is that it assumes it will alwasy be able to receive data from the DVB interface, but with terrestrial digital broadcast, that's not for certain |
| 05:04.16 | MonMotha | so if you walk in front of my antenna, mythtv goes apeshit |
| 05:04.20 | T0mW | ow |
| 05:04.44 | MonMotha | that and XvMC isn't exactly stable with MythTV (works fine with xine and mplayer, I'm told) |
| 05:04.47 | T0mW | well, at least you know how to make it fail. That is the starting point for a fix |
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| 05:04.53 | MonMotha | and XvMC is virtually required for 1080i hi-def |
| 05:05.20 | MonMotha | T0mW: yes, but hell if I knwo how to fix it. The easiest way is probably a band-aid that like feeds pre-encoded data (like color bars) to the rest of the system when no data is available |
| 05:05.31 | MonMotha | mythtv seems pretty designed around the whole "data is always flowing" principle |
| 05:05.38 | T0mW | but, isn't that XvMC just accepting an mpeg2 stream? |
| 05:05.57 | MonMotha | no, XvMC isn't a complete MPEG2 decoder, it's just some hardware assist for things like the final scaling |
| 05:06.10 | T0mW | oh, like GLX then |
| 05:06.29 | MonMotha | also, XvMC is nowhere near as tolerant of data errors as libmpeg2 is |
| 05:06.36 | T0mW | ah |
| 05:07.03 | T0mW | yeah, I get video "burps" occasionally |
| 05:07.11 | MonMotha | MythTV could help with that (since sometimes a data error can crash libmpeg2 as well) by flagging data errors when they come in from the decoder and feeding stuff that at least won't crash things to the decoders |
| 05:07.30 | MonMotha | well, this is ebcause, for example, signal quality was low for a moment (like someone walked in front of the antenna, or an airplane flew by) |
| 05:08.06 | MonMotha | you should never get bad data with the hardware encoder |
| 05:08.13 | T0mW | true |
| 05:08.21 | T0mW | in a perfect world |
| 05:08.35 | MonMotha | the burps you speak of are probably just cases where the scheduler didn't give the decoder enough time to decode everything in real time, or does it actually say damaged data? |
| 05:08.55 | T0mW | damaged data |
| 05:09.06 | MonMotha | really...that never seems to happen with my PVR-150 |
| 05:09.58 | T0mW | Where are you getting the Hi-def stuff from, satelite? |
| 05:10.20 | MonMotha | terrestrial broadcast |
| 05:10.23 | T0mW | ah |
| 05:10.38 | MonMotha | neighborhood convenants prohibit a dish capable of receiving FTA sat programming in the USA |
| 05:10.43 | MonMotha | since it's mostly C and some Ku |
| 05:10.54 | MonMotha | and 1m is pushing it for Ku |
| 05:11.26 | T0mW | you know, mythtv is nothing more than some video encoder / capture hardware mechanism (stream provider), buffers / stores it and passes it onto the Xv / GLX renderer (X) |
| 05:11.30 | MonMotha | that and FTA DVB-S programming in the USA is limited |
| 05:11.36 | MonMotha | oh I know, it's rather simple |
| 05:11.38 | MonMotha | it |
| 05:11.39 | MonMotha | bleh |
| 05:11.44 | T0mW | :-P |
| 05:11.46 | MonMotha | it's mostly overly slow eye candy |
| 05:11.50 | T0mW | fat fingers tonite? |
| 05:11.54 | MonMotha | kidna |
| 05:12.07 | T0mW | Yeah, I just woke up to start the day |
| 05:12.14 | MonMotha | the functional stuff of mythtv is just the scheduler for recordings and a giant ringbuffer |
| 05:12.19 | MonMotha | I woke up about 6 hours ago. It is currently midnight |
| 05:12.48 | T0mW | we've had some Sicom POS stuff installed a couple weeks ago. So, all the stuff that one customer and I have been planning for the past 5 years is now starting to come together. |
| 05:13.10 | MonMotha | I need to go do some sysadmin stuff then collect my paychecks |
| 05:13.28 | MonMotha | that and finish thsi kernel module, but I need an updated schematic to update the firmware before it'll be particularly useful anyway |
| 05:13.46 | T0mW | total linux Point of Sale system, front to back. Registers are linux, the backend database / retrieval is linux. it all goes up to some Windows computers via apache |
| 05:13.54 | T0mW | lot of work |
| 05:14.21 | MonMotha | neat |
| 05:14.41 | T0mW | MonMotha: I rooted the POS terminals on Tuesday. gave them a chance to fix a problem where their dhcp server was colliding with ours. |
| 05:15.12 | MonMotha | love DHCP server wars |
| 05:15.17 | T0mW | I gave them the fix. finally I went around and gave myself root acces to the systems. |
| 05:15.32 | MonMotha | always fun wihen some IDIOT plugs the LAN side of their Linksys into the campus network at school |
| 05:15.40 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:15.51 | MonMotha | since they make everyone use DHCP (reasonable) it takes the whole damn network down as it NAKs all the real IPs |
| 05:16.03 | MonMotha | there's no reason for a router like that anyway. You can have 20 IP addresses! |
| 05:16.03 | T0mW | yeah |
| 05:16.09 | MonMotha | though they won't route off a subnet for you :( |
| 05:16.23 | MonMotha | at least not without going behind the front desk and asking nicely |
| 05:16.41 | MonMotha | I just want a /28 :) |
| 05:17.13 | T0mW | the problem we had was their dhcp server responded faster than ours, so they would grab the DHCPREQUEST before we could |
| 05:17.45 | MonMotha | same problem at Rose. The Linksys is on the local subnet, while the DHCP server is multiple bridges away in another building |
| 05:17.53 | MonMotha | even though the Linksys isn't particulaly fast, it's a lot closer |
| 05:18.03 | T0mW | they use bootp and have a complete list of the MACs, so I just modified their dhcpd.conf to ignore anything they couldn't identify |
| 05:18.13 | MonMotha | fair policy |
| 05:18.20 | T0mW | we do the same |
| 05:18.21 | MonMotha | I still hate having two authoritative DHCP servers |
| 05:18.24 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:18.26 | T0mW | yeah |
| 05:18.43 | T0mW | metrics |
| 05:19.05 | MonMotha | Rose has a setup where you bring on an unknown client, get an IP in a temp subnet that has a captive web portal, register it to your account, then relese/renew (or reboot, as they tell you to) and you get a real IP |
| 05:19.39 | T0mW | well, tonite's work is to setup cron scripts to pull in the CSV (comma seperated values) files from the POS systems and store them into MySQL. |
| 05:19.43 | MonMotha | however, it's rather insecure (it's to keep the honest people honest). The captive portal is enforced only via a DNS server that just responds to everything with their captive portal, and you can just statically assign yourself an address in the "real" subnet if you know what it is anyway |
| 05:20.17 | T0mW | yeah, then fight with the dhcp server if they attempt to reassign the IP |
| 05:20.29 | MonMotha | oh well, you know a good reference for the 2.6 module API stuff? I need to export some procedures to the kernel namespace so other modules can call them |
| 05:21.24 | MonMotha | I'm trying to do this the right way and split functionality up so I don't end up with this monster module in the future when the watchdog and other inevitable functionality gets implemented |
| 05:22.14 | T0mW | no, I haven't done much inside the 2.6 kernel |
| 05:22.35 | MonMotha | bleh |
| 05:22.39 | MonMotha | they wanted to use 2.6 for some reason |
| 05:22.53 | T0mW | the only book I have is Allesadro's device driver stuff |
| 05:23.14 | MonMotha | well, the easiest policy for kernel hacking seems to be "use the source, luke" |
| 05:23.15 | T0mW | Rubini |
| 05:23.25 | T0mW | about right |
| 05:23.36 | T0mW | it is a moving target and hard to doc |
| 05:23.56 | MonMotha | especially 2.6, where they're not allowing APIs to remain stable |
| 05:24.11 | T0mW | I've come to the conclusion that if you aren't working inside the kernel on a regular basis, it is easy to get lost |
| 05:24.17 | MonMotha | definately |
| 05:24.45 | T0mW | besides, 2.4 is more stable, preferable for embedded stuff because of that |
| 05:24.55 | MonMotha | this is a production server... |
| 05:25.02 | MonMotha | see first part of what you said :) |
| 05:25.16 | T0mW | yeah |
| 05:25.34 | T0mW | "wow, that code explosion was awesome!" |
| 05:25.38 | MonMotha | but their upstream (Progeny) wants to use 2.6 |
| 05:27.01 | MonMotha | I've not had too bad of luck from a runtime stability standpoint, but it's a pain to find a kernel that has the drivers you need with no killer regressions for your setup |
| 05:27.06 | T0mW | MonMotha: what, they afraid they'll miss out on something if they don't use 2.6? |
| 05:27.16 | MonMotha | I'm not really sure why they're not using 2.4 |
| 05:27.29 | MonMotha | but they've got the whole shebang: 2.6, hotplug, udev |
| 05:27.34 | MonMotha | stuff I try to avoid |
| 05:27.57 | MonMotha | oh well, work is work |
| 05:28.02 | kergoth | i generally dont touch 2.4 with a ten foot pole anymore, especially for embedded stuff. |
| 05:28.05 | T0mW | yeah, that would be reason to use 2.6: advanced features, that is, if you really need them. |
| 05:28.11 | kergoth | the flat power management model along is enough to discourage it |
| 05:28.12 | MonMotha | yeah, they don't need them though |
| 05:28.18 | kergoth | er, s/along/alone/ |
| 05:28.22 | T0mW | kergoth: point taken |
| 05:28.38 | MonMotha | these things run apache, samba, and maybe a database server or something |
| 05:28.42 | kergoth | hell, stock 2.4 still runs resume events in the same order as suspend events, for gods sake |
| 05:28.43 | kergoth | :P |
| 05:28.52 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:29.28 | MonMotha | kergoth: wow, that is bad |
| 05:29.37 | kergoth | and god help you if you actually need to do 2.4 kernel coding. its a nightmare compared to 2.6. 2.6 spoils you. the driver model is my best friend |
| 05:29.44 | kergoth | MonMotha: indeed |
| 05:30.01 | MonMotha | kergoth: some parts of 2.6 seem to not use the driver model, at least not fully |
| 05:30.07 | T0mW | I keep looking at putting linux into some of the realtime stuff I do, but it still doesn't make sense to do it. Beyond the advantage of a TCP stack, it is a liability |
| 05:30.10 | MonMotha | took me forever to figure out how USB hooked into it |
| 05:30.27 | kergoth | heh. usb uses it pretty well. pcmcia is finally switching to it.. |
| 05:30.39 | kergoth | MonMotha: more and more stuff is moving to it, udev has been a big motivator |
| 05:30.42 | MonMotha | USB does use it, it just wasn't immediately obvious how |
| 05:30.48 | kergoth | cant exactly use it well if half your devices dont even show up in /dev ;) |
| 05:30.58 | MonMotha | true |
| 05:31.09 | MonMotha | is misc using it yet? |
| 05:31.25 | MonMotha | didn't appear to b |
| 05:31.27 | kergoth | yeah, but its just using it in a simplistic fashion, greg k-h's class_simple |
| 05:31.38 | MonMotha | ah |
| 05:31.43 | MonMotha | that's why the API doesn't really expose it |
| 05:32.06 | kergoth | yeah, added just to get it in there, not really to make full use of sysfs for its attributes or anything |
| 05:32.08 | kergoth | afaict |
| 05:32.42 | MonMotha | now, how do you handle things if your driver uses two subsystems |
| 05:32.45 | T0mW | later guys, I've got scripting to do |
| 05:32.51 | MonMotha | for example, I haev a USB device that uses misc |
| 05:33.14 | MonMotha | eventually it will also use watchdog and possibly i2c (as a host adapter) |
| 05:33.47 | MonMotha | do you just end up with multiple device framework entities, or do you share them all in some way? |
| 05:34.07 | kergoth | well, theres nothing stopping you from registering multiple "devices" and multiple drivers, the only tricky part is ensuring correct suspend/resume callback order and/or module load order, really |
| 05:34.23 | kergoth | but i'm getting behind on developemtns and starting to forget things.. damn unemployment |
| 05:34.26 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 05:34.29 | MonMotha | well, in this case, these systems will never suspend/resume, so I don't really care |
| 05:34.48 | MonMotha | in fact, I'm not even providing any power management callbaks |
| 05:34.52 | MonMotha | *callbacks |
| 05:35.11 | kergoth | platform devices and drivers are _awesome_ for embedded |
| 05:35.48 | kergoth | you create a device in your dir in arch/arm/ or whatever, embed the hardware info like irq, memory addresses, etc in that structure, and now you've completely seperated the hardware/board specific bits from the driver out in drivers/ |
| 05:35.50 | kergoth | clean, happy |
| 05:36.20 | kergoth | see the ixp4xx flash drivers for an example, if you're curious |
| 05:36.55 | MonMotha | that is kinda neat |
| 05:38.13 | kergoth | and if your board doesnt support tha hardware, the device isnt registered, so it never binds to the driver, and its probe routine is never called |
| 05:38.17 | kergoth | :) |
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| 13:04.54 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:04.56 | prpplague | merry freakin friday |
| 13:04.57 | sorphin | prpplague: mornin islander |
| 13:06.15 | prpplague | sorphin: morning |
| 13:07.04 | sorphin | prpplague: hows things down there in the land of plague? |
| 13:10.38 | prpplague | they are ok |
| 13:10.53 | prpplague | sorphin: woke up terrible tired and depressed this morning though |
| 13:11.13 | prpplague | sorphin: weird enough, i've had a rought bought of depression after i moved |
| 13:17.57 | sorphin | ah |
| 13:18.05 | sorphin | maybe you miss TX? i dunno |
| 13:21.37 | prpplague | maybe |
| 13:37.09 | prpplague | http://www.nationnews.com/story/283769744926591.php |
| 13:37.23 | prpplague | just freakin rediculous |
| 13:43.57 | sorphin | uh |
| 13:44.07 | sorphin | it's it not safer to he a US citizen |
| 13:44.14 | sorphin | if anything it's more unsafe :P |
| 13:45.31 | prpplague | sorphin: well in terms of getting deported |
| 13:45.46 | prpplague | sorphin: the slighest infraction for west indians and they get deported |
| 13:46.18 | prpplague | sorphin: hell, donna had hell even getting her visa and she was married to a US citizen |
| 13:49.41 | sorphin | prpplague: if it weren't for missy, i'd probably selfdeport these days, heh |
| 13:50.03 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, hehe, i just miss the dollar store, hehe |
| 13:52.52 | sorphin | hehe |
| 13:53.29 | prpplague | sorphin: i shopped at dollar general 7 days a week |
| 13:53.38 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe i loved that place |
| 13:55.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:56.10 | sorphin | to each their own i suppose |
| 13:57.43 | prpplague | sorphin: you don't like dollar general? |
| 13:58.39 | sorphin | not enough to go there daily |
| 13:59.00 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:59.04 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe |
| 13:59.15 | prpplague | sorphin: well, when you have kids it rocks |
| 13:59.39 | prpplague | sorphin: the food stuff there is dirt cheap |
| 14:00.19 | sorphin | that's what Aldi's is for ;) |
| 14:00.54 | prpplague | aldi? |
| 14:02.27 | prpplague | ahh no stores in texas |
| 14:02.36 | prpplague | explains why i've never heard of them |
| 14:04.34 | sorphin | cheap stuff |
| 14:04.49 | sorphin | course you bag your own stuff, so they shave costs that way |
| 14:10.31 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:19.20 | CosmicPenguin | Hidaly ho, neighborrinos |
| 14:19.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: howdy |
| 14:20.42 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: moin mr AMD |
| 14:24.07 | CosmicPenguin | Its amazing how nice bitkeeper really was, in retrospect |
| 14:24.41 | prpplague | hehe, _was_ |
| 14:29.18 | sorphin | uh |
| 14:29.19 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:33.15 | CosmicPenguin | Its true though - for pay RCSes are far and aware superior to the free ones |
| 14:35.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:35.58 | sorphin | only because the people that make the forpay ones know they're that good, so they get greedy, and that's why they're for pay |
| 14:36.42 | CosmicPenguin | Well, I don't begrudge them the oppertunity to make a few bucks |
| 14:36.48 | CosmicPenguin | I just can't figure out why the free versions can't keep up |
| 14:43.25 | sorphin | motivation? i dunno |
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| 14:46.12 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 14:53.00 | sorphin | Genesis: ca va? |
| 14:53.23 | Genesis | ava :) |
| 14:53.33 | Genesis | et toi le domain snipper ? |
| 15:02.59 | CosmicPenguin | There are two ways to deal with adversity |
| 15:03.04 | CosmicPenguin | 1) you can make do with what you ahve |
| 15:03.28 | CosmicPenguin | and 2) you can bring up obscure references from your past, assume that they were correct, and complain about the current situation |
| 15:03.40 | CosmicPenguin | What a prick |
| 15:04.28 | pb_ | heh |
| 15:09.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? i guess i'm out of loop on this, who are you refering to? |
| 15:10.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nobody you know |
| 15:11.30 | prpplague | ok |
| 15:12.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you play with the fb gui yet? |
| 15:12.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, you still have the url, i could have sworn i book marked it |
| 15:13.02 | sorphin | Genesis: heh |
| 15:13.09 | sorphin | Genesis: not amusing |
| 15:14.07 | CosmicPenguin | http://freshmeat.net/projects/fbui/ |
| 15:14.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 15:17.20 | prpplague | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3504708 |
| 15:18.52 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:19.03 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart NDAs |
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| 15:31.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=MX240A-N&cat=CON&cpc=DSP |
| 15:35.17 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... |
| 15:35.22 | sorphin | prpplague: electronics goldmine has it too |
| 15:35.25 | CosmicPenguin | what do the guts look like? |
| 15:36.14 | prpplague | sorphin: oh yea? |
| 15:36.23 | prpplague | i need to pic up another zipit |
| 15:36.26 | sorphin | they have it for $23.99 tho |
| 15:38.34 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:31.32 | sorphin | ~friday |
| 16:31.32 | ibot | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 16:32.04 | sorphin | this friday's feeling more like a monday because nothing's going right |
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| 16:50.00 | CosmicPenguin | I wish there was a cleaner way to manage essids in Linux |
| 16:52.27 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: there is. run a debian based distro and use entries in /etc/network/interfaces. with mappings, you can easily switch between "interfaces" with different essids, or even automatically switch them based on whether you're at home or work.. |
| 16:52.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:53.03 | CosmicPenguin | I can edit a damn text file with any distro |
| 16:54.03 | kergoth | you said clean, not friendly. |
| 16:54.06 | kergoth | they arent one and the same. |
| 16:54.14 | CosmicPenguin | Thats true |
| 16:57.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we had the same problem with out handhelds |
| 16:57.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. taking the handheld from one store to another to do inventory |
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| 17:03.35 | pb_ | yeah, wifi configuration under linux does suck. |
| 17:03.58 | pb_ | it's not just a handheld thing: I have the same problems on my laptop. |
| 17:06.02 | CosmicPenguin | Where is sjhill when I need him? :) |
| 17:07.06 | prpplague | doh |
| 17:07.13 | prpplague | i needed to tell pb_ something |
| 17:22.29 | TimRiker | kergoth: what do you use to map interfaces? the pcmcia scheme? |
| 17:25.53 | TimRiker | where that script just does: cat /var/lib/misc/pcmcia-scheme |
| 17:29.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: gotta alot of hits on the zipit article? |
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| 17:51.43 | TimRiker | prpplague: no idea. SF no longer provides stats |
| 17:56.16 | prpplague | TimRiker: ahh |
| 17:56.20 | prpplague | TimRiker: no email? |
| 17:56.30 | prpplague | TimRiker: i.e. ppl asking about stuff? |
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| 18:57.05 | sorphin | heh |
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| 19:21.47 | prpplague | sjhill: ho ho ho |
| 19:21.56 | sjhill | hi |
| 19:22.08 | cdm | how goes the nptl work? |
| 19:22.35 | sjhill | i'm 6 undefined symbols away from having shared and static libraries ready for testing |
| 19:22.50 | sjhill | i at least have futexes implemented |
| 19:23.00 | prpplague | sjhill: cool |
| 19:23.02 | cdm | excellent. |
| 19:23.37 | sjhill | the undefined symbols are functions and variables that need to be added to the dynamic loader |
| 19:24.37 | sjhill | TLS relocation...oh boy |
| 19:24.52 | sjhill | i'm looking forward to next week and being at OLS |
| 19:25.00 | sjhill | no distractions, pure coding |
| 19:26.13 | prpplague | sjhill: oh you're headed to OLS |
| 19:27.33 | sorphin | sjhill: oh crap, it's teh lackey |
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| 19:46.47 | prpplague | sjhill: hows the fgpa stuff coming along? |
| 19:47.08 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: what up? |
| 19:47.29 | sjhill | ~ibot fishslap sorphin |
| 19:47.29 | ibot | ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:47.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: blood pressure, cholestral, stress, taxes |
| 19:47.34 | sjhill | prpplague: stagnant |
| 19:47.41 | sjhill | prpplague: i can't work on it until nptl is done |
| 19:47.45 | sjhill | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 19:47.51 | prpplague | sjhill: know the feeling |
| 19:48.10 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: you know anyone on the core linux-mips team with write access? |
| 19:48.23 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: yeah, you're talking to one |
| 19:49.02 | sjhill | i'm not a MIPSwhore for nothin' |
| 19:49.04 | sorphin | sjhill: it's your fault SGI's going down the can |
| 19:49.09 | sjhill | bah |
| 19:49.21 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: jk... |
| 19:49.25 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: what do you need? |
| 19:49.43 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: I need somebody to push Alchemy stuff to |
| 19:49.46 | prpplague | sjhill: i bet its about alchemy |
| 19:50.02 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: sure |
| 19:50.09 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: <sjhill@realitydiluted.com> |
| 19:50.33 | sjhill | man, i hate the guy on the other side of the cube wall |
| 19:50.38 | sjhill | i want to strangle him |
| 19:50.43 | sorphin | sjhill: nuke 'em |
| 19:50.53 | prpplague | sjhill: yea i know that feeling too |
| 19:51.06 | prpplague | sjhill: the guy down the hall has been playing dub all day |
| 19:51.13 | sjhill | i'm a gopher in the plains of the cube mesa |
| 19:52.00 | sorphin | water bomb that is |
| 19:52.02 | sjhill | ya' know, today i'd actually welcome that |
| 19:52.14 | sorphin | oh, it's hot up there in IA? |
| 19:52.23 | sorphin | floody raining here |
| 19:52.52 | sorphin | when i went home for lunhc, my backyard is flooded, as were the sides.., water was flowing out between the railroad ties in the front and the foundadtion too, heh |
| 19:53.18 | sjhill | sorphin: ah, went home for a nooner, eh? |
| 19:53.20 | sjhill | i miss those |
| 19:58.01 | prpplague | sjhill: nooner? is that where your wife cooks for lunch? |
| 19:58.45 | sjhill | heh |
| 19:58.49 | sjhill | yeah, she cooks alright |
| 19:58.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:59.26 | Crofton | google :) |
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| 20:12.46 | prpplague | linuxdevices.com sure has gone downhill |
| 20:13.11 | CosmicPenguin | tell me something I don't know |
| 20:15.04 | CosmicPenguin | ~slashdot |
| 20:15.25 | CosmicPenguin | Did anyone else read Cybersex in the title of the second article, or was it just me? |
| 20:18.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:30.07 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:30.09 | CosmicPenguin | aparently not |
| 20:30.28 | Crofton | all this talk about nooners must have got to you |
| 20:32.44 | CosmicPenguin | Probably because I played disc golf instead of gettinga nooner |
| 20:37.29 | Crofton | I need to play more disc golf |
| 20:40.05 | prpplague | disc golf? |
| 20:40.34 | Crofton | http://www.pdga.com/ |
| 20:41.51 | CosmicPenguin | Put my damn driver into the water |
| 20:41.57 | CosmicPenguin | I just bought it yesterday too |
| 20:42.40 | prpplague | interesting, never heard of that before |
| 20:43.14 | CosmicPenguin | Give me three or four years, and I'll be there |
| 20:46.53 | sorphin | sjhill: no, went home for lunch |
| 20:47.16 | sorphin | ended up getting chinese food on the way back to work tho |
| 20:47.25 | sorphin | missy works too far from home atm to come home for lunch |
| 20:47.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it was just you re the cybersex comment |
| 20:48.07 | sorphin | it just sounds.. lame |
| 20:50.46 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | stalman is such a dumbass |
| 20:50.59 | CosmicPenguin | stallman even |
| 20:59.08 | CosmicPenguin | Man, I'm all sad all of a sudden |
| 20:59.29 | file[laptop] | Cyberphone! |
| 21:01.44 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.zws.com/products/picxie2/index.html |
| 21:01.49 | CosmicPenguin | That looks like fun |
| 21:01.56 | CosmicPenguin | You could make it play life |
| 21:17.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:19.01 | sorphin | and SCO says the email is garbage |
| 21:19.04 | sorphin | typical |
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| 22:18.05 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you rollin' to OLS? |
| 22:18.11 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:18.16 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 22:18.22 | kergoth | would like to, but to say that i'm broke would be understating it |
| 22:18.52 | CosmicPenguin | food and shelter definately take a higher priority |
| 22:19.12 | kergoth | well. my dad is living in my townhouse too, and he's covering both of those two |
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| 22:19.20 | kergoth | my only real expense right now is my car, but its a pretty major one |
| 22:19.32 | kergoth | $650 a month for payment and $150 a month for insurance with no income = bad |
| 22:20.19 | CosmicPenguin | http://kerneltrap.org/node/5430 |
| 22:20.23 | CosmicPenguin | Linus must not be paying attention |
| 22:20.33 | CosmicPenguin | variable timer ticks have been around for a while now |
| 22:20.45 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart Linus for not paying attention to the Nokia 770 |
| 22:42.53 | CosmicPenguin | How hard is it to carry hardware into Canada for personal use? |
| 22:43.07 | CosmicPenguin | if my suitcase had a few Geodes and Alchemy's in it, would anyone get angry? |
| 22:43.27 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think I would last long in a Quebec jail |
| 22:45.12 | cdm | nah. |
| 22:45.25 | cdm | I used to carry boards across the boarder all the time. |
| 22:45.29 | cdm | border even. |
| 22:45.36 | cdm | just make sure you have some way to show they aren't bombs. |
| 22:45.45 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I can do that |
| 22:45.46 | cdm | ie: power, leds, serial/lcd output, etc. |
| 22:46.11 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - they're just proto boards |
| 22:46.52 | cdm | I have never been asked to do that- but I had a buddy carry a harddisk with him and it was a really big hassal showing it wasn't a bomb. ;) |
| 22:47.02 | cdm | hassle even. |
| 22:52.49 | fishhead | yeah we should just nuke the middle east and get it over with |
| 23:12.01 | CosmicPenguin | The thing I love about people like fishead is that they always make such eloquent arguments |
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| 23:32.33 | fishhead | omg |
| 23:32.39 | fishhead | there is live action hentai |
| 23:39.46 | Genesis | someone work with GPIO interface ? |
| 23:42.30 | CosmicPenguin | On what platform? |
| 23:42.48 | Genesis | any |
| 23:43.09 | Genesis | is it BUS model ? |
| 23:44.32 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno - generally not |
| 23:44.34 | CosmicPenguin | I guess it can be |
| 23:45.21 | CosmicPenguin | It all really depends whats on the other side |
| 23:47.10 | Genesis | my qx3 microscop use gpio |
| 23:47.15 | Genesis | for some control |
| 23:48.28 | CosmicPenguin | In that case, you would probably just bang on the pins themself |
| 23:48.31 | CosmicPenguin | how many pins does it use? |
| 23:49.51 | Genesis | hum |
| 23:50.00 | Genesis | i should check that |
| 23:50.28 | Genesis | i ask if i can make it work with an arm7 board |
| 23:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | probably, assuming you have the GPIO pins to spare |
| 23:53.28 | Genesis | yep i check that |
