| 00:00.17 | file | I don't believe so |
| 00:01.35 | sorphin | kergoth: http://wibble.captainrock.com:8090/The_Internet_Is_For_Porn.mp3 |
| 00:01.41 | sorphin | file: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 |
| 00:02.06 | sorphin | it's actually quite funny.. a friend was playing it on her radio show last night |
| 00:02.10 | sorphin | had to ahve her send it |
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| 01:04.57 | SarahEmm | anyone know of a portable (i.e. light, and can at least be hacked for a battery pack) linux-running device with a touch (not stylus-only) screen on it.. either a couple hundred mhz or a usable serial port and low mhz? |
| 01:05.02 | SarahEmm | (other than Tablet PCs ;) ) |
| 01:05.35 | Soopaman | dell axims? |
| 01:06.20 | SarahEmm | hrm.. bigger screen preferably =-/ |
| 01:06.24 | SarahEmm | but that's a good idea :) |
| 01:06.37 | SarahEmm | (and i should have thought of that, as i was just looking at a friends an hour ago *giggle*) |
| 01:06.53 | SarahEmm | any idea about anything with a bigger screen? ;) |
| 01:07.00 | SarahEmm | (i feel like i want a tablet PC with a touchscreen here.. hrm.) |
| 01:07.32 | Soopaman | nothing that is too great |
| 01:07.39 | Soopaman | an epod maybe |
| 01:13.18 | SarahEmm | hmm |
| 01:13.22 | SarahEmm | the epods looks hackable :) |
| 01:13.26 | SarahEmm | wonder about power draw tho |
| 01:15.03 | SarahEmm | ooh |
| 01:15.06 | SarahEmm | they hve battery packs. |
| 01:15.07 | SarahEmm | hrm! |
| 01:15.22 | SarahEmm | what are the bad points of 'em? heh. look good so far |
| 01:21.54 | Soopaman | hard to get now |
| 01:21.59 | Soopaman | not the best screen |
| 01:22.04 | Soopaman | but pretty good boes |
| 01:22.59 | SarahEmm | my app for the screen would be coloured buttons to push, basically |
| 01:23.04 | SarahEmm | should be fine for that, i assume? |
| 01:23.08 | SarahEmm | boes? |
| 01:24.06 | Soopaman | boxes* |
| 01:24.21 | Soopaman | modded webpads or newtons would work too |
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| 01:55.11 | CP|AFK | Evening folks |
| 01:56.01 | SarahEmm | hihi CP|AFK |
| 01:57.47 | file[laptop] | SarahEmm: KITRICH! |
| 01:58.06 | SarahEmm | hihi file |
| 01:58.11 | file[laptop] | hey |
| 01:58.23 | file[laptop] | what madness are you up to? |
| 01:58.54 | SarahEmm | whoa |
| 01:58.56 | SarahEmm | this isn't asterisk |
| 01:58.58 | SarahEmm | *giggles* |
| 01:59.00 | SarahEmm | hi file! ;) |
| 01:59.01 | file[laptop] | nope :) |
| 01:59.06 | file[laptop] | hey-o |
| 01:59.10 | SarahEmm | file[laptop]: working ont he same VOCA device i've been planning for awhile. |
| 01:59.40 | file[laptop] | SarahEmm: aha |
| 02:00.03 | SarahEmm | pondering a tablet form like most commercial ones have |
| 02:00.06 | SarahEmm | at least to start with. |
| 02:00.07 | SarahEmm | not sure. |
| 02:00.19 | SarahEmm | i'm trying to design something less obtrusive eventually. |
| 02:00.27 | file[laptop] | utter madness |
| 02:00.32 | file[laptop] | just like your usual self ;) |
| 02:01.09 | SarahEmm | *hugs file* |
| 02:01.22 | SarahEmm | kitriches like designing technology to overcome obstacles in my life. heh. |
| 02:01.25 | SarahEmm | not madness! :P |
| 02:01.30 | file[laptop] | uh huh, right |
| 02:01.33 | SarahEmm | mew? |
| 02:01.37 | file[laptop] | meep |
| 02:01.50 | SarahEmm | mew! |
| 02:01.51 | SarahEmm | :) |
| 02:02.17 | file[laptop] | so you should still try desperately to come to Cluecon!!! |
| 02:02.23 | SarahEmm | i don't have any money |
| 02:02.29 | SarahEmm | i can't pay for registration of the con |
| 02:02.32 | SarahEmm | i can't pay to get there. |
| 02:02.35 | SarahEmm | i can't get time off work. |
| 02:02.37 | file[laptop] | :( |
| 02:02.45 | file[laptop] | we have free student admission |
| 02:02.48 | SarahEmm | i'd love to come. i wish everyone would stop bugging me about it tho, because i have no way to go. |
| 02:02.53 | SarahEmm | file: define 'student'? |
| 02:03.09 | file[laptop] | whatever you are counts! |
| 02:04.13 | SarahEmm | err... i get free admission/ |
| 02:04.14 | SarahEmm | ? |
| 02:04.22 | file[laptop] | it could be arranged :) |
| 02:04.58 | file[laptop] | the dark force can do many things. |
| 02:06.18 | SarahEmm | err... |
| 02:06.18 | SarahEmm | hrm! |
| 02:06.26 | SarahEmm | and i've had offers to crash in rooms |
| 02:06.30 | SarahEmm | hrm. |
| 02:06.36 | SarahEmm | it'd still cost me $500 and a week off work |
| 02:06.41 | SarahEmm | so i still doubt it |
| 02:06.44 | SarahEmm | but i'll re-investigate |
| 02:07.14 | file[laptop] | :) |
| 02:08.00 | SarahEmm | i doubt i can get time off in the first place... |
| 02:08.05 | SarahEmm | i'm taking 6 weeks for ASL classes |
| 02:08.30 | SarahEmm | another week for non-work-related stuff... |
| 02:08.31 | file[laptop] | you can darn well try |
| 02:08.36 | SarahEmm | yep. |
| 02:08.42 | file[laptop] | it's fun when we're all in the same place |
| 02:08.46 | SarahEmm | yeah |
| 02:08.52 | file[laptop] | very crazy |
| 02:09.06 | file[laptop] | and bkw is exactly how he is on IRC in real life :) |
| 02:10.39 | file[laptop] | kergoth: you have nothing to be productive for ;) |
| 02:10.45 | Crofton__|laptop | heh |
| 02:11.05 | Crofton__|laptop | kergoth, go to college |
| 02:11.05 | file[laptop] | well someone had to say it |
| 02:11.08 | SarahEmm | tbh, cluecon isn't my highest financial priority right now |
| 02:11.42 | kergoth | Crofton__|laptop: heh, not a bad idea, but it depends on whether i want to be staying in my current field or am switching gears entirely. if i'm staying in this field, college wouldnt gain me much but debt. |
| 02:12.21 | Crofton__|laptop | well it buys you better resistance to tech shifts |
| 02:12.28 | Crofton__|laptop | you can get loans to cover expenses |
| 02:12.46 | Crofton__|laptop | it buys you time to figure out what you want to be when you grow up :) |
| 02:12.55 | file[laptop] | but he's already grown up |
| 02:13.03 | Crofton__|laptop | heh |
| 02:13.10 | SarahEmm | heh |
| 02:13.21 | SarahEmm | ooh. not that kind of shift, i think maybe... |
| 02:13.22 | file[laptop] | I work 11 to 7 |
| 02:13.24 | SarahEmm | kitriches are confused. *bes quiet* |
| 02:13.25 | Crofton__|laptop | chrono wise, I am much older, but not grown up |
| 02:13.41 | SarahEmm | i work 0700-1800, 1230-2300, and 2200-0800, changing every 8 days |
| 02:13.53 | file[laptop] | every 8 days? |
| 02:14.02 | CP|OLS | kergoth: we miss you at OLS - we need more heavy drinkers from #elinux |
| 02:14.15 | kergoth | hehe. i wish i was there :\ |
| 02:14.26 | kergoth | who all is there? did andersee make it this year? |
| 02:14.28 | Crofton__|laptop | me too |
| 02:14.34 | CP|OLS | I saw sjhill earlier, but he wasn't at the opening reception |
| 02:14.37 | Crofton__|laptop | why are you online? |
| 02:14.43 | SarahEmm | file: my shift changes each time i go on shift in a new week. 4 nights, 4d off, 4 afternoons, 4d off, 4 days, 4d off, repeat. |
| 02:14.44 | Crofton__|laptop | shouldn't you be drinking? |
| 02:14.47 | CP|OLS | Heh |
| 02:15.00 | file[laptop] | maybe he is... and this is his alcoholic side |
| 02:15.04 | CP|OLS | I was earlier, but I'm not very good at meeting new people |
| 02:15.12 | file[laptop] | that's sad |
| 02:15.28 | CP|OLS | And the reception was sponsored by Intel, and I got tired of their marketing bable, so I came home |
| 02:15.32 | CP|OLS | Yeah, I suck rocks |
| 02:15.35 | Crofton__|laptop | hahaha |
| 02:15.48 | Crofton__|laptop | len brown posted his acpi slides to the acpi list |
| 02:15.53 | file[laptop] | and... offline my boss goes yay |
| 02:15.54 | CP|OLS | Heh |
| 02:16.09 | CP|OLS | Crofton__|laptop: I was at that presentation |
| 02:16.34 | Crofton__|laptop | yeah, I rememeber you commetn about the projector hassles or something :) |
| 02:16.42 | CP|OLS | Heh - yeah |
| 02:16.47 | CP|OLS | took em 20 minutes to figure it out |
| 02:16.59 | kergoth | i'm not very good at meeting new people either. spent most of the time with folks i already knew.. tim.. pb_.. gb2.. mikelp.. |
| 02:17.16 | CP|OLS | kergoth: heh - yeah, and I only really know two people here |
| 02:17.22 | CP|OLS | sjhill, and a guy from AMD |
| 02:17.28 | kergoth | who else.. msw.. |
| 02:17.28 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:17.35 | file[laptop] | as long as I've even briefly talked to someone on IRC, in real life is fine for me |
| 02:17.46 | CP|OLS | I met some of the other people from AMD tonight, but they were all pretty popular |
| 02:17.51 | CP|OLS | You know, those crazy Opterons |
| 02:17.59 | chouimat | hi CP|OLS |
| 02:18.03 | file[laptop] | mmm... Opteron |
| 02:18.10 | CP|OLS | chouimat: whats going on? |
| 02:18.55 | CP|OLS | Oh, well - we have two more nights to party, I'm sure I'll meet more people |
| 02:19.06 | chouimat | CP|OLS: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1256 http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1259 and the conclusion http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1260 |
| 02:19.32 | Crofton__|laptop | other, need to run out and buy sanadreas before it gets totally banned |
| 02:20.03 | SarahEmm | hrm. do normal microsoftey tablet PCs usually have touch screens, or only usable with styluses/ |
| 02:20.35 | CP|OLS | chouimat: I saw Keith Packard present TWIN today |
| 02:20.40 | CP|OLS | pretty frickin amazing |
| 02:20.48 | CP|OLS | makes Microwindows pretty much obsolete |
| 02:21.33 | chouimat | CP|OLS: sound fun ... but with what happened today I'm not sure I will in the oss and computer field anymore |
| 02:24.26 | kergoth | CP|OLS: heh, get people you know to introduce you to other people. thats about the only way i ever meet anyone |
| 02:24.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:27.56 | CP|OLS | kergoth: heh - yeah |
| 02:28.36 | CP|OLS | I'm really bad with meeting people - I forget names really easily, and I don't ever feel comfortable walking up to people |
| 02:28.47 | CP|OLS | And I probably don't look very approachable either |
| 02:29.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:29.40 | Crofton__|laptop | good night all |
| 02:30.02 | CP|OLS | night |
| 02:30.34 | chouimat | night |
| 02:32.48 | chouimat | CP|OLS: I hope you're enjoying reading this |
| 02:52.06 | CP|OLS | heh - its good to know that the whole KDE vs Gnome thing is still alive |
| 02:52.49 | chouimat | CP|OLS: talk for you ... |
| 02:55.51 | chouimat | CP|OLS: I get back home and I have this huge amount of angry emails waiting ... not fun |
| 03:04.38 | CP|OLS | Most of the comments I read were in your favor |
| 03:07.02 | chouimat | CP|OLS: and I'm glad for this too ... anyway I really need a shower |
| 03:07.56 | CP|OLS | bah - my senator is a dumbass |
| 03:08.28 | chouimat | CP|OLS: why? |
| 03:15.22 | CP|OLS | he sent me an email stressing the importance of the broadcast flag |
| 03:16.21 | chouimat | and I bet he doesn't really understand it ...it just prove me that fair use, freedom of speech and opinions are really becoming a myth |
| 03:17.43 | CP|OLS | Personally, at this point, I blame the music sharers |
| 03:18.34 | CP|OLS | At some point, political and business types only see a crime - not the concepts that form the law |
| 03:19.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:20.06 | CP|OLS | bah |
| 03:20.12 | CP|OLS | what are you going to do? |
| 03:22.12 | chouimat | CP|OLS: a second american revolution? </sarcasm> |
| 03:22.13 | sorphin | CP|OLS: so how's ols so far? besides very alcoholic |
| 03:23.10 | CP|OLS | very humiliating |
| 03:23.31 | CP|OLS | and not nearly as alcholoic as I had hoped |
| 03:23.48 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:23.53 | sorphin | why so humiliating? |
| 03:24.15 | sorphin | you won't even remotely see me at an ols before 2010, heh, if it's still around |
| 03:26.10 | CP|OLS | Because you realize how smart these people really are, and how aboslutely stupid I appear to be |
| 03:27.52 | chouimat | CP|OLS: after 3 beers they are all stupids ... |
| 03:28.04 | CP|OLS | Best part of OLS day 1 |
| 03:28.16 | CP|OLS | Maddog had a folder on his computer that said "AMD_PIC_pictures" |
| 03:30.08 | sorphin | chouimat: that's disgusting |
| 03:30.23 | chouimat | sorphin: sorry |
| 03:30.44 | sorphin | chou; a guy at work mentioned some KDE based organizer or someshit |
| 03:30.52 | sorphin | asked me if i'd used it |
| 03:31.09 | chouimat | cool here one I can do: need male strippers ... no previous experience required |
| 03:31.19 | chouimat | sorphin: you speaking of the job or the blogs? |
| 03:31.58 | sorphin | chouimat: it was some kde based organization tool or phone book thing, i forget what he said it was called.. |
| 03:32.09 | chouimat | sorphin:kontact |
| 03:32.32 | sorphin | that may be it |
| 03:32.46 | chouimat | http://www.kontact.org/ |
| 03:32.58 | chouimat | sorphin: or probably one of his component |
| 03:33.10 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:33.36 | sorphin | he did note that kde's getting a little... 'heavy'.. and being that you code kde stuff, you may or may not agree |
| 03:33.41 | chouimat | sorphin: I quite like it ... work well with my hacked kolab server |
| 03:34.43 | chouimat | sorphin: some part are getting heavy but we are working on kde4 ... which will probably feature a cleanup of the core libs ... probably not of the apps, but we will see |
| 03:35.11 | sorphin | well, cleaning up the core libs should help things tho, no? |
| 03:37.11 | chouimat | sorphin: kde3 was a direct port of kde2 to qt3 ... and some feature got added and i think some of the stuff that got in there should have gone into a kdelibs-extra or something like this ... but this is my personal opinion, and one thing sure we won't do is to remove config option if the app support this advanced feature that 3% of the user use anyway ... but than again some developer might decide to remove the feature completely |
| 03:37.31 | chouimat | sorphin: qt4 is allready smaller and faster than qt3 so it will also help |
| 03:38.29 | chouimat | cool a porn movie on tv |
| 03:41.25 | chouimat | night |
| 03:43.23 | sorphin | night |
| 03:43.42 | CP|OLS | Man, that TWIN stuff was pretty damn awesome |
| 03:44.09 | cdm | TWIN? |
| 03:44.22 | CP|OLS | Its a very very small windowing system that keithp came up with |
| 03:44.48 | CP|OLS | Completely raster based - built in compositing, alpha blending, etc, etc... |
| 03:45.08 | CP|OLS | Its designed to fit on systems with less then 400k of system ram |
| 03:45.19 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:45.28 | CP|OLS | He double buffers the damn thing with a single scan line buffer |
| 03:45.30 | kergoth | cdm: http://keithp.com/blog/twin |
| 03:45.35 | sorphin | can you say tight asm code? |
| 03:45.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:46.18 | CP|OLS | Needs some toolkit work, but I would say that its pretty usable for any device right up to the high end PDA |
| 03:46.37 | sorphin | neat screenshot |
| 03:46.42 | CP|OLS | It would be very nice for DVD players, media players, etc, etc.. |
| 03:46.51 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:48.49 | CP|OLS | But it really makes things like Microwindows useless |
| 03:49.04 | CP|OLS | These days, if you're not raster based, you're crappp! |
| 03:49.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:52.22 | kergoth | CP|OLS: wonder how it compares to the stuff raster's been doing (evas, etc) |
| 03:52.43 | CP|OLS | I think raster's target is a bit higher |
| 03:52.58 | CP|OLS | TWIN was designed for a TI DSP running at 200Mhz with 356K of RAM |
| 03:53.07 | CP|OLS | Evas is for the desktop, isn't it |
| 03:53.08 | CP|OLS | ? |
| 03:53.27 | CP|OLS | Regardless, if those two got together, it would be scary |
| 03:53.32 | kergoth | evas can do desktop, but raster's kept embedded in mind the whole time. i think he wants to target cell phone type stuff |
| 03:54.00 | CP|OLS | This raster stuff (Cairo, etc..) is pretty damn impressive |
| 03:54.20 | kergoth | yeah, indeeed |
| 03:54.30 | CP|OLS | keithp discussed using a stroke based font so he could define the whole thing in like 24 bytes per glyph |
| 03:55.00 | CP|OLS | And yu don't need bold or oblique fonts because the raster engine can tilt and change pen size |
| 03:58.05 | kergoth | ooh |
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| 13:43.29 | CP|OLS | morning foks |
| 13:43.31 | CP|OLS | folks even |
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| 14:05.49 | CP|OLS | What up, island man? |
| 14:06.05 | prpplague | CP|OLS: nada |
| 14:06.13 | prpplague | CP|OLS: got dinner guests coming over tonight |
| 14:06.22 | prpplague | CP|OLS: gonna leave early |
| 14:06.33 | prpplague | CP|OLS: worse part is that i feel sick |
| 14:06.40 | CP|OLS | master of the island already, huh? |
| 14:06.42 | CP|OLS | Thats fast |
| 14:07.58 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hehe |
| 14:08.11 | prpplague | CP|OLS: no just some relatives and family friends |
| 14:08.17 | prpplague | CP|OLS: wife's side of course |
| 14:09.56 | CP|OLS | heh |
| 14:10.12 | prpplague | CP|OLS: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7499590573.html |
| 14:13.39 | CP|OLS | wow - that sucks |
| 14:14.21 | prpplague | CP|OLS: oh? |
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| 21:55.12 | CP|Laptop | again, I have returned |
| 22:14.37 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: you're like a rash that just won't go away ;) |
| 22:15.49 | CP|Laptop | I'm infectious like that |
| 22:16.19 | CP|Laptop | I hung out with sjhill a bit today |
| 22:16.22 | CP|Laptop | he's a cool cat |
| 22:16.24 | sorphin | yeah |
| 22:16.42 | sorphin | knows his MIPS too |
| 22:16.52 | CP|Laptop | sure does |
| 22:17.56 | CP|Laptop | stop acting stupid! |
| 22:18.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:18.37 | sorphin | OE is an owned nick |
| 22:18.41 | sorphin | that's sick |
| 22:19.20 | CP|Laptop | proll kergoth |
| 22:19.26 | CP|Laptop | prolly even |
| 22:19.56 | CP|Laptop | Man, if you don't already appreciate the Opteron, try building without one for a while |
| 22:20.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:20.52 | CP|Laptop | bet your work is all Motorola or Intel, huh? |
| 22:21.54 | sorphin | remember, my day job isn't embedded coding |
| 22:21.58 | sorphin | that's a hobby |
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| 22:22.00 | CP|Laptop | Heh |
| 22:22.16 | CP|Laptop | Yeah, well - x86_64 isn't exactly embedded |
| 22:22.30 | CP|Laptop | I think the fan consumes more power then the whole Alchemy board |
| 22:22.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:22.43 | sorphin | fun |
| 22:23.15 | CP|Laptop | I saw a power document the other day - at 100% cpu busy, the whole board was draining about 720 mW |
| 22:23.21 | CP|Laptop | Alchemy board, that is |
| 22:23.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:23.27 | sorphin | neat |
| 22:23.36 | sorphin | too bad i'd never get near an Alchemy board |
| 22:23.56 | CP|Laptop | Coming soon to an consumer electronic device near you |
| 22:23.56 | CP|Laptop | I hope |
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