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| 00:55.15 | chouimat|ibook | hi CP|Laptop |
| 00:56.56 | CP|Laptop | hi |
| 01:05.56 | CP|Laptop | any more gnome abuse today? |
| 01:07.28 | chouimat|ibook | no' |
| 01:07.54 | chouimat|ibook | CP|Laptop: just the usual stuff: i'm bald, fat. ugly, no gf, small penis ... |
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| 01:09.11 | CP|Laptop | wow |
| 01:10.04 | CP|Laptop | Time to get drunk, i spose.. :) |
| 01:10.24 | chouimat|ibook | CP|Laptop: allready done ... |
| 01:10.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:10.52 | sorphin | can we keep the penis talk to a minimum please? :P |
| 01:11.13 | chouimat|ibook | sorphin: no problem ... |
| 01:11.42 | chouimat|ibook | CP|Laptophttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1260/3343#comment-3343: |
| 01:11.49 | sorphin | kergoth: sup |
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| 01:34.00 | chouimat|ibook | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.27 | chouimat|ibook | http://home.no.net/lewser/haha/real-buffering.jpg |
| 01:35.44 | sorphin | boring :P |
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| 02:04.08 | sorphin | Soopaman: if i go crazy will you still call me soopaman |
| 02:04.31 | Soopaman_ | shaddap |
| 02:04.34 | sorphin | :) |
| 02:04.42 | Soopaman_ | so bitter right now |
| 02:04.59 | Soopaman_ | don't need your pseudo humour to make it worse :P |
| 02:05.35 | CP|Laptop | Actually, that was pretty funny |
| 02:05.52 | sorphin | Soopaman: fyi, i like the song i was referencing |
| 02:05.59 | sorphin | so shaddup yerself :P |
| 02:07.37 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: ready to go home yet? ;) |
| 02:08.09 | CP|Laptop | yeah, I hate traveling |
| 02:08.16 | CP|Laptop | but the confrence has been interesting |
| 02:08.55 | sorphin | how much have you called stacee? |
| 02:09.01 | CP|Laptop | Next year, you all need to come so we can drink, dammit |
| 02:09.14 | CP|Laptop | Daily calls - you know, the usual |
| 02:09.17 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:09.19 | sorphin | figured |
| 02:14.22 | sorphin | nice |
| 02:14.28 | sorphin | hotel $34/night |
| 02:14.32 | sorphin | w/ highspeed access |
| 02:14.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:21.42 | CP|Laptop | heh |
| 02:21.49 | CP|Laptop | a GTA:SA commercial |
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| 02:26.45 | sorphin | cp| nod |
| 02:27.01 | sorphin | no unlocked fake sex scene tho *smirk* |
| 02:27.19 | jnc | what did i miss? |
| 02:27.36 | file | an orgy |
| 02:27.39 | file | er I mean nothing |
| 02:28.03 | sorphin | file: leave what you do at astricon out of this |
| 02:28.15 | file | pfft |
| 02:28.19 | sorphin | :P |
| 02:30.05 | file | yay printer installed |
| 02:30.53 | sorphin | what kind of printer is it? |
| 02:32.56 | file | Samsung laser |
| 02:32.59 | file | doing some mailing |
| 02:33.22 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:33.54 | file | of course I have no scale so I'm gonna have fun with the weight of this package |
| 02:34.40 | sorphin | not even a bathroom scale? |
| 02:34.49 | file | I'm gonna try it |
| 02:34.51 | sorphin | taht'l put you w/in +/- 1 pound usually |
| 02:34.56 | jnc | you could rent the sound of music |
| 02:35.04 | sorphin | eh? |
| 02:35.06 | jnc | and sing their scale song |
| 02:35.14 | jnc | it involves deer |
| 02:35.39 | file | and lots of servers |
| 02:35.41 | file | with no cooling |
| 02:35.44 | jnc | PASS THE MEAT POTATOES |
| 02:35.49 | file | overclocked. |
| 02:35.55 | sorphin | jnc: you don't know who we're talking about do you? |
| 02:36.59 | jnc | sorphin: i'm not really sure |
| 02:37.16 | sorphin | jnc: fishhead is #elinux's version of a slashdot troll |
| 02:37.33 | sorphin | pointless, useless, but hangs out anyways and stirs up shit |
| 02:38.28 | jnc | slashtrolls are unimaginitive |
| 02:38.34 | sorphin | as is he |
| 02:38.43 | sorphin | that's why most of us have him on /ignore |
| 02:38.59 | sorphin | he seems to have this obsession w/ yelling CANUCK |
| 02:39.02 | chouimat|ibook | sometime he get imaginative but ... he gets boring quickly |
| 02:39.09 | sorphin | chouimat: indeed |
| 02:39.13 | jnc | oh, this fishhead character is an IRC co hort |
| 02:39.24 | sorphin | irc moron more like |
| 02:39.31 | sorphin | scriptkiddie wanna be |
| 02:39.39 | sorphin | he's threatened to DDoS me before |
| 02:39.49 | chouimat|ibook | sorphin: probably he had a bad experience with a canadian who is now happy with the new wedding law |
| 02:39.55 | jnc | did you give him your elite 127.0.0.1 address? |
| 02:40.01 | jnc | given to you by the Feds |
| 02:40.06 | sorphin | jnc: hehe |
| 02:40.11 | sorphin | chouimat: ? |
| 02:40.20 | sorphin | chouimat: no marrying animals allowed? |
| 02:40.28 | chouimat|ibook | sorphin: the gay wedding |
| 02:40.33 | sorphin | ah |
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| 02:40.48 | jnc | one of you is fishhead |
| 02:40.48 | sorphin | chouimat: well, considering fishhead hasn't even ever had a date |
| 02:40.52 | sorphin | uh |
| 02:40.52 | sorphin | no |
| 02:40.57 | Genesis | lol |
| 02:41.05 | sorphin | he got kicked yesterday twice by TimRiker |
| 02:41.20 | sorphin | ~seen fishhead |
| 02:41.20 | ibot | fishhead is currently on #pixterdev (32s) #handhelds.org (32s) #elinux (32s) |
| 02:41.26 | Genesis | sorphin : fishhead is a star you see |
| 02:41.35 | jnc | yeah i guess so |
| 02:41.39 | jnc | we're talking about him |
| 02:41.41 | jnc | mission accomplished |
| 02:41.53 | sorphin | and it appears he came back because we were |
| 02:42.10 | sorphin | because when i looked about 15 mins ago, he wasn't |
| 02:42.24 | sorphin | guess he's like a demon, mention their name, and they appear |
| 02:43.41 | fishhead | after 31 yrs do any of you fucking people in the world have anything better to do than torment me? |
| 02:43.42 | sorphin | chouimat: Jolie? |
| 02:43.52 | fishhead | i really do thinik I need to release airborn aids into the world |
| 02:43.54 | fishhead | and wipe it all out |
| 02:43.58 | fishhead | hell with it |
| 02:44.10 | jnc | so this fishhead character, .. |
| 02:44.14 | jnc | ooooh letitia |
| 02:44.15 | chouimat|ibook | Genesis: lol |
| 02:44.19 | jnc | *swoon* casta |
| 02:44.20 | Genesis | chouimat : hey l'ami ;) |
| 02:44.25 | MonMotha | and here's the "ouch kill me now" C fragment for the day: next = next->next; |
| 02:44.34 | sorphin | MonMotha: uh... |
| 02:44.36 | sorphin | no shit |
| 02:44.39 | jnc | MonMotha: owww |
| 02:44.41 | chouimat|ibook | Genesis: leatitia est dans playboys? |
| 02:44.41 | jnc | ow ow ow |
| 02:44.47 | Genesis | chouimat : nan nan :) |
| 02:44.52 | chouimat|ibook | :( |
| 02:44.52 | Genesis | dommage ;) |
| 02:45.05 | fishhead | hah |
| 02:45.12 | fishhead | wow sorphin and us agree on something |
| 02:45.18 | jnc | whom is Morgan Webb? |
| 02:45.18 | fishhead | tell sorphin I have fhm pics at least |
| 02:45.23 | fishhead | she's a very canuckable canuck |
| 02:45.31 | fishhead | one of the few things canada did right |
| 02:45.35 | fishhead | lemme find the fhm pics |
| 02:45.37 | fishhead | she's a nerd |
| 02:45.40 | fishhead | plays video games |
| 02:45.44 | fishhead | hosts video game show |
| 02:45.44 | jnc | so this fishhead character, he's a PA native |
| 02:45.47 | sorphin | probably the only gamer girl there is that looks good |
| 02:45.55 | sorphin | jnc: no clue |
| 02:46.05 | fishhead | jnc why you going to come and kill me? |
| 02:46.06 | fishhead | good |
| 02:46.06 | jnc | ohh |
| 02:46.09 | fishhead | but take a number |
| 02:46.16 | jnc | well if he's not, i mean... |
| 02:46.17 | fishhead | http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=5&q=http://www.fhmus.com/girls/covergirls/295/&e=9818 |
| 02:46.22 | jnc | maybe it's a bot or something |
| 02:46.36 | sorphin | jnc: nah, bots are smarter generally |
| 02:46.40 | sorphin | ;) |
| 02:46.49 | jnc | "nah, bots are generally smarter" |
| 02:47.12 | sorphin | ~fishslap jnc |
| 02:47.12 | ibot | ACTION slaps jnc up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:47.19 | jnc | oh man |
| 02:47.21 | fishhead | !fishslap ibot |
| 02:47.24 | fishhead | ~fishslap ibot |
| 02:47.24 | ibot | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:47.35 | sorphin | ibot: botsnack |
| 02:47.35 | ibot | thanks, sorphin |
| 02:47.53 | sorphin | ibot: 2+2 |
| 02:47.53 | ibot | 4 |
| 02:49.52 | CP|Laptop | ibot has returned? |
| 02:49.58 | CP|Laptop | hail ibot |
| 02:50.13 | sorphin | ibot: hail CP|laptop |
| 02:50.13 | ibot | ACTION bows down to CP|laptop and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 02:50.17 | sorphin | :) |
| 02:50.35 | fishhead | ibot sorphin? |
| 02:50.35 | ibot | somebody said sorphin was sorphin |
| 02:50.38 | fishhead | ibot sorphin |
| 02:50.38 | ibot | well, sorphin is sorphin |
| 02:50.50 | sorphin | ibot: kick fishhead |
| 02:50.50 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 02:50.56 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:51.01 | fishhead | ibot sorphin |
| 02:51.01 | ibot | rumour has it, sorphin is sorphin |
| 02:51.05 | fishhead | ibot sorphin is |
| 02:51.16 | sorphin | fishhead: nice try, you can't change my factoid, monkeyboy |
| 02:51.23 | fishhead | :D |
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| 02:52.08 | sorphin | cdm: evening chris |
| 02:53.18 | sorphin | ~fishhead? |
| 02:53.18 | ibot | somebody said fishhead was is dense that he makes a neutron star look thin |
| 02:53.33 | fishhead | heh |
| 02:54.26 | sorphin | anyways |
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| 02:57.40 | file[laptop] | sorphin: what'cha been up to? |
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| 03:00.14 | file[laptop] | yay a mini |
| 03:00.23 | sorphin[mini] | woot, fishhead left #elinux? sweet |
| 03:00.40 | sorphin[mini] | yay, a file |
| 03:01.07 | file[laptop] | eep |
| 03:01.51 | sorphin[mini] | file[: as for what's up |
| 03:01.58 | sorphin[mini] | heh, no name matching |
| 03:01.59 | sorphin[mini] | oh well |
| 03:02.15 | sorphin[mini] | anyways... just planning my trip w/ the wife to orlando (vegas airfare was too much) |
| 03:02.23 | file[laptop] | ah |
| 03:21.25 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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| 03:32.44 | kergoth | you know, its almost like we care. really. almost. |
| 03:33.05 | chouimat|ibook | DVDA: What makes a man, is it the woman in his hands /Just 'cause she's got big titties / Is it the way he fights every day / Naw, it's probably the titties / Now you're a man, (hey) a man, a man, a man / Now you're a man, man, (hey) a man, a man, a man, /Now you're a man, man, (hey) an M-A-N man, man, man,man / Now you're a man <---- this song is so good |
| 03:33.43 | fishhead | kergoth anything you want to take this outside of irc |
| 03:33.46 | fishhead | anytime |
| 03:33.52 | fishhead | that goes for anyone else too |
| 03:38.37 | fishhead | i'll take you all on |
| 03:38.40 | fishhead | bunch of punks |
| 03:39.14 | chouimat|ibook | kergoth: i spent the last 2 days watching orgazmo over and over again |
| 03:41.34 | fishhead | anyone else want to fucking open their fucking mouth and say what they don't like about me |
| 03:41.40 | fishhead | this seems to be the night everywherew |
| 03:41.42 | fishhead | so come on |
| 03:41.43 | fishhead | spit it out |
| 03:41.47 | fishhead | motherfuckers |
| 03:43.24 | chouimat|ibook | hmmmm if the mother in question is like the hot one i saw tonight ... i have no problem fucking her |
| 03:48.22 | fishhead | WELL COME ON |
| 03:48.23 | fishhead | SPEAK UP |
| 03:51.14 | fishhead | come on |
| 03:51.16 | fishhead | now is your chance |
| 03:51.20 | fishhead | dump your load of shit on me |
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| 03:59.59 | sorphin | chouimat: behave drunkboy |
| 04:02.59 | chouimat|ibook | sorphin what ... |
| 04:03.47 | sorphin | chouimat: the porno paste above :P |
| 04:03.56 | file[laptop] | I'm supposed to do a kernel upgrade on our NFS server in an hour... but my coworker is gone |
| 04:04.00 | file[laptop] | so I think I'll skip out and sleep |
| 04:04.12 | chouimat|ibook | sorphin the one from guy of south park or the one about the mother ;) |
| 04:04.14 | sorphin | file[laptop]: night |
| 04:04.20 | file[laptop] | but, not yet ;) |
| 04:04.38 | chouimat|ibook | sorphin it was from the movie orgazmo ... |
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| 04:48.21 | cdm | sorphin: evening dude.d |
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| 04:48.30 | sorphin | cdm: what's up? |
| 04:49.03 | cdm | not much....working on some code... |
| 04:49.20 | cdm | earning my paycheck from the big fruity computer. |
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| 05:40.03 | eggsMTS | n |
| 05:55.14 | cdm | n |
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| 06:40.53 | cola | hi |
| 06:41.35 | cdm | hia cola |
| 06:41.49 | cola | how are you |
| 06:41.56 | cdm | very good actually. |
| 06:42.18 | cola | thats good to know |
| 06:42.39 | cola | i just got the psptoolchain to compile. i am excited |
| 06:44.12 | cdm | nice. |
| 06:44.21 | cdm | how do that squirt code onto the PSP? |
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| 07:05.22 | eJumbo | going to distribute a embedded linux distro. just started writing the documents. need pointers of basic or sample documents |
| 07:05.36 | eJumbo | any advice ? |
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| 07:46.33 | jnc | must...resist....joke about shrimp |
| 07:46.36 | jnc | gah |
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| 14:00.18 | sorphin | CP|OLS: moin |
| 14:09.00 | CP|OLS | morning |
| 14:09.11 | CP|OLS | I have a horrible habit of killing long emails by accident |
| 14:09.16 | sorphin | oops |
| 14:09.37 | sorphin | next time, stop writing them w/ sharp objects then |
| 14:09.38 | sorphin | :) |
| 14:10.29 | file[laptop] | I bought a new cellphone yesterday |
| 14:10.31 | file[laptop] | it's evil |
| 14:10.39 | sorphin | speaking of someone who kills things |
| 14:10.44 | sorphin | file[laptop]: moin file |
| 14:11.09 | file[laptop] | hiiii |
| 14:13.24 | sorphin | well, airfare and hotel are all booked |
| 14:13.35 | sorphin | $667 total, heh |
| 14:13.39 | file[laptop] | total total? |
| 14:13.51 | CP|OLS | so, what, you want a cookie or something? |
| 14:14.01 | file[laptop] | yes |
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| 14:15.45 | CP|OLS | Hey guys - http://handhelds.org - top story |
| 14:19.09 | prpplague | CP|OLS: lovely |
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| 14:33.16 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 14:33.50 | sorphin | prpplague: moin islander |
| 14:34.22 | prpplague | sorphin: lo |
| 14:35.21 | sorphin | prpplague: booked my trip last night, heh |
| 14:35.22 | file[laptop] | bah |
| 14:35.39 | file[laptop] | sorphin: my airfare to Chicago cost almost as much as your total |
| 14:35.47 | prpplague | sorphin: trip to where? |
| 14:36.05 | sorphin | file: the airfare was 273 round trip for the both of us total |
| 14:36.12 | sorphin | prpplague: orlando.. 8 days |
| 14:36.24 | prpplague | sorphin: why? |
| 14:36.30 | sorphin | vacation? |
| 14:36.59 | file[laptop] | my airfare was... $590.90 USD for 4 days |
| 14:37.00 | prpplague | whats that? |
| 14:37.22 | sorphin | prpplague: something i haven't taken in a while :P |
| 14:37.24 | file[laptop] | vacation is... is... |
| 14:37.26 | file[laptop] | GOOD |
| 14:37.35 | sorphin | file[laptop]: what do you expect flying from canadia? |
| 14:37.35 | CP|OLS | bah - vacation is overrated |
| 14:37.52 | sorphin | cp| call this... our better honeymoon :P |
| 14:37.55 | file[laptop] | sorphin: nothing else lol |
| 14:38.16 | prpplague | i've had one vacation since i started working when i was 16 |
| 14:38.27 | CP|OLS | Its not more expensive to fly out of canada |
| 14:38.29 | sorphin | prpplague: and who's fault is that? |
| 14:38.40 | CP|OLS | Disney subisdizes flights to Orange County and Orlando |
| 14:39.02 | sorphin | and probably not even going to dizney |
| 14:39.05 | file[laptop] | Air Canada baby! |
| 14:39.07 | sorphin | disney even |
| 14:39.18 | sorphin | file[laptop]: that's who i flew to london on |
| 14:39.23 | CP|OLS | Oh yeah - your plane might even have disney characters on it |
| 14:39.28 | file[laptop] | and how was it? |
| 14:39.33 | CP|OLS | Air Canada is pretty cool |
| 14:39.41 | CP|OLS | too bad they're associated with United |
| 14:39.45 | sorphin | file[laptop]: a few terrorist here adn there |
| 14:39.46 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 14:39.49 | sorphin | but otehrwise ok |
| 14:40.19 | sorphin | file[laptop]: funny thing is.. i've never gotten a fare close to what i paid back then |
| 14:40.26 | sorphin | and that was 5 years ago |
| 14:40.28 | prpplague | get this quote about extending daylight savings - "According to some senators, farmers complained that a two-month extension could adversely affect livestock, and airline officials said it would have complicated scheduling of international flights. |
| 14:40.28 | prpplague | " |
| 14:40.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:40.41 | sorphin | BS |
| 14:40.51 | CP|OLS | stupidest idea every |
| 14:40.53 | CP|OLS | ever even |
| 14:41.03 | file[laptop] | prices have gone up up up |
| 14:41.05 | sorphin | prpplague: btw.. be glad you're not here anymore.. what w/ the patriot act being extended another 10 years :P |
| 14:41.07 | CP|OLS | I think its a plot to keep geeks occupied while they pass the Patriot act again |
| 14:41.42 | sorphin | CP|OLS: they did that yesterday by a big magjority, because of more dud bombings in london |
| 14:41.47 | file[laptop] | if I end up going to Astricon 2005 in Anaheim CA, yikes... gonna be horrible |
| 14:42.01 | sorphin | file[laptop]: better book now ;) |
| 14:42.13 | file[laptop] | it's complicated ... our company might boycott going |
| 14:42.18 | file[laptop] | because of my boss |
| 14:42.22 | sorphin | sell the powerbook! |
| 14:43.06 | file[laptop] | meh I have other money coming |
| 14:43.19 | sorphin | file[laptop]: don't wanna know ;) |
| 14:43.27 | file[laptop] | more then enough to pay for a vacation for myself or a conference trip |
| 14:43.30 | file[laptop] | Goooooooogle |
| 14:43.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:45.28 | file[laptop] | hrm, geekcruise? |
| 14:46.10 | CP|OLS | ooh... geekcruise |
| 14:48.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:48.44 | sorphin | just what i'd need.. being stuck on a cruise ship w/ other geeks and very few women if any to look at |
| 14:49.08 | CP|OLS | Heaven forbid you should actually learn something |
| 14:49.36 | sorphin | CP|OLS: i can learn w/o shelling out all the $ to go on a cruise ;) |
| 14:49.56 | CP|OLS | I wouldn't expect anything else from you |
| 14:50.10 | sorphin | CP|OLS: and what's that supposed to mean? |
| 14:50.15 | file[laptop] | see, I'd want a place where I would have free internet access |
| 14:50.17 | file[laptop] | cruise is bleh |
| 14:50.27 | sorphin | file[laptop]: heh |
| 14:50.42 | sorphin | file[laptop]: you could broadcast fileradio :P |
| 14:50.53 | file[laptop] | haha |
| 14:51.01 | CP|OLS | boring! |
| 14:51.20 | file[laptop] | CP|OLS: aren't you supposed to be, like, doing stuff? |
| 14:51.34 | CP|OLS | What ever it is I'm supposed to be doing, i'm doing it |
| 14:51.45 | sorphin | file[laptop]: he's nursing his lack of hangover from not drinking :P |
| 14:52.04 | file[laptop] | I bet |
| 14:52.34 | sorphin | file[laptop]: if i went to OLS, i'd grab some of that chaser stuff, and drink up :P |
| 14:53.04 | CP|OLS | That was a pooor presentation at best |
| 14:56.22 | CP|OLS | it was a bad presentation, but usbmon looks like it has potential |
| 14:57.30 | pb_ | what does it do? |
| 14:58.11 | CP|OLS | traces USB connections - same idea as tcpdump |
| 15:01.08 | CP|OLS | pb_: its mainly in the kernel, but Pete Zaitcev from redhat has some patches for it - so of course, they're hidden away deep in the bowels of Fedora |
| 15:01.57 | pb_ | heh |
| 15:02.07 | pb_ | it does sound like a cute tool |
| 15:02.43 | CP|OLS | somebody in the back of the room said they were writing a tcpdump compatible parser |
| 15:02.46 | CP|OLS | which would be nice |
| 15:02.47 | prpplague | pb_: morning |
| 15:03.05 | CP|OLS | They have a java gui too |
| 15:03.19 | CP|OLS | Thats about as useful as a swift kick to the balls |
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| 15:06.24 | pb_ | hi prpplague |
| 15:07.00 | prpplague | pb_: whats cookin? |
| 15:07.12 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher mate |
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| 15:13.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:13.07 | pb_ | hi prpplague |
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| 15:13.13 | pb_ | hi sorphin |
| 15:13.14 | sorphin | sjhill: oh crap |
| 15:13.18 | sorphin | sjhill: it's the lackey |
| 15:13.23 | prpplague | sjhill: ho ho ho |
| 15:13.32 | sorphin | prpplague: yes, he is a ho, a MIPS ho |
| 15:13.33 | prpplague | pb_: anything interesting going on? |
| 15:13.37 | sjhill | sorphin: yeah, but at least i'm in Canada where i can't bother you |
| 15:13.46 | prpplague | pb_: looks like we gonna dump sharp in favor of samsung |
| 15:13.48 | sorphin | sjhill: no, you can harass file now ;) |
| 15:13.49 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 15:14.08 | sjhill | ooo |
| 15:14.09 | sorphin | sjhill: and chouimat, and CP |
| 15:14.11 | sjhill | i wonder if he is here |
| 15:14.12 | pb_ | prpplague: not a lot. debuggin' some noise problems with the CIR receiver on one of our boards. |
| 15:14.16 | prpplague | sjhill: hows ols? |
| 15:14.20 | sjhill | yeah, i had lunch with CP yesterday |
| 15:14.22 | prpplague | pb_: ahh |
| 15:14.23 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:14.33 | file | my boss is insane |
| 15:14.34 | sjhill | prpplague: eh, it's okay...kind of dry this year imho |
| 15:14.38 | prpplague | pb_: i'm waiting for my s2c2410 dev board to arrive |
| 15:14.43 | file | he's blaming my coworker because T-Mobile is blocking his monitoring e-mails |
| 15:14.43 | pb_ | cool |
| 15:14.49 | prpplague | sjhill: liquify it with some beer |
| 15:15.02 | sjhill | prpplague: that's tomorrow evening :) |
| 15:15.18 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
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| 15:26.44 | sjhill | CP|OLS: which room are you in? |
| 15:26.58 | sjhill | CP|OLS: the usbmon presentation was horrid |
| 15:27.02 | CP|OLS | Room A - Xen |
| 15:27.07 | CP|OLS | Oh, you were at that one too? |
| 15:27.12 | CP|OLS | Yeah, it was terrible |
| 15:27.26 | CP|OLS | possibly cool software |
| 15:28.19 | prpplague | sjhill / CP|OLS hehe maybe next year the group from elinux should bombard ols with presentations |
| 15:28.32 | sjhill | i have two presentations in mind |
| 15:29.35 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe oh? you think they will still be usable in a year? hehe |
| 15:29.59 | prpplague | sjhill: oh btw, this months circuit cellar has some good stuff on vhdl |
| 15:30.16 | sjhill | ooo |
| 15:30.25 | sjhill | is the article online perhaps? |
| 15:31.00 | CP|OLS | prpplague: we definately need some presentations |
| 15:31.07 | CP|OLS | the embedded stuff so far has been fairly weak |
| 15:33.43 | pb_ | it'd be good to get some more embedded stuff going at OLS. |
| 15:34.03 | pb_ | it'd also be good to get some more application-related stuff going there, rather than just heavy kernel hacking. |
| 15:34.35 | prpplague | pb_: yea |
| 15:35.02 | prpplague | like i said, maybe we should all make plans to submit presentations for next year |
| 15:35.25 | prpplague | OLS2006 - year of the elinux invasion |
| 15:36.05 | CP|OLS | Thats because you're a telecom lackey |
| 15:36.41 | file | true |
| 15:36.51 | sjhill | wow, i could think of a lot things that file is |
| 15:37.07 | sjhill | i'd better have lunch to refuel my insult list though |
| 15:37.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:37.25 | CP|OLS | I've got POTS, and I know how to use it! |
| 15:37.29 | pb_ | prpplague: yah. might be sufficient to make me start going to OLS again. |
| 15:37.29 | pb_ | heh |
| 15:37.40 | pb_ | prpplague: alternatively, we could all go to linux.conf.au instead |
| 15:37.44 | CP|OLS | I saw the Nokia 770 last night |
| 15:37.54 | prpplague | pb_: no way i could afford that |
| 15:38.06 | prpplague | pb_: and i doubt most of the other folks could either |
| 15:38.20 | CP|OLS | I would sure try, though |
| 15:39.00 | prpplague | CP|OLS: thats like a $2k plane ticket |
| 15:39.13 | CP|OLS | So buy more Opterons, dammit! |
| 15:39.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:39.49 | CP|OLS | By then, our Intel lawsuit might be over... :) |
| 15:40.07 | prpplague | pb_: my homebrew sd/mmc driver is dying on large data transfers |
| 15:41.26 | prpplague | pb_: maybe we should do something like, the people who don't get accepted to present at ols have to buy beer for those that do, hehe |
| 15:42.00 | CP|OLS | so kergoth and pb_ will have plenty to drink then... :) |
| 15:42.06 | prpplague | seriously though, it would be pretty cool if alot of the folks on #elinux submitted presentations |
| 15:42.12 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hehe |
| 15:42.15 | prpplague | CP|OLS: yea |
| 15:42.42 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hehe and you and i will be broke |
| 15:42.56 | CP|OLS | I would like to start a Geode/Alchemy hacking confrence, but I don't know if both our customers could make it |
| 15:43.14 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:43.27 | file | oh goody, a double fault on my box |
| 15:44.21 | file | it totally buggered the machine last night |
| 15:44.38 | CP|OLS | file: that means the other guy gets to serve now |
| 15:45.38 | sjhill | CP|OLS: good one :) |
| 15:46.06 | sjhill | lunch! |
| 15:46.12 | sorphin | wussy |
| 15:46.51 | prpplague | sorphin: back when abcsinc was using sco openserver, you could configure a way to save a kernel panic debug data, hehe someone configured this huge customers machine to do the dump to the primary hard drive, hehe |
| 15:47.14 | prpplague | sorphin: the machine kp'd one day, and just overwrote most of their os, hehe |
| 15:47.21 | sorphin | prpplague: basically if their machine took a dump it literally took a dump, heh |
| 15:47.27 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:47.35 | file | beautiful lol |
| 15:47.42 | prpplague | sorphin: yea and of course, openserver is known for it stability, hehe |
| 15:48.12 | sorphin | prpplague: oh of course, i mean, being based on that source code that linux stole from SCO and all |
| 15:48.36 | file | I think this box is slightly braindead |
| 15:48.40 | file | cube1 log # cat /var/log/messages | grep double |
| 15:48.40 | file | Jul 14 07:28:42 cube1 double fault, gdt at c1725260 [255 bytes] |
| 15:48.40 | file | Jul 20 23:22:51 cube1 double fault, gdt at c171d260 [255 bytes] |
| 15:48.40 | file | Jul 21 18:12:09 cube1 double fault, gdt at c1725260 [255 bytes] |
| 15:49.28 | file | all of our stuff is borg related |
| 15:49.33 | file | cubes, spheres, drones, assimilators |
| 15:50.16 | sorphin | file: "I am file of borg, resistance is futile. You will be assimilated into the Asterisk Collective" |
| 15:50.27 | file | cube1 log # cat /etc/motd |
| 15:50.27 | file | Brave words. I've heard them before, from thousands of species across thousands of worlds, |
| 15:50.27 | file | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:52.08 | file | yay I remember my VPN username/password |
| 15:52.31 | sorphin | so do i ;) |
| 15:52.53 | file | silly Windows terminal servers |
| 15:54.51 | prpplague | pb_: hey, which handheld did you say used the spi interface for mmc/sd? |
| 15:54.53 | file | I installed longhorn once, I promptly uninstalled it |
| 15:56.58 | Genesis | ++ |
| 15:57.20 | file | the TCP/IP stack was corrupted |
| 15:57.31 | sorphin | naturally |
| 15:59.48 | pb_ | prpplague: axim x5 |
| 16:01.23 | prpplague | pb_: ahh |
| 16:01.39 | prpplague | pb_: guess i need to locate kernel source it |
| 16:02.04 | prpplague | pb_: i'm looking at using jamey's patchs, but they seem fairly complicated |
| 16:02.14 | prpplague | pb_: not a whole lot of comments |
| 16:03.45 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 16:16.25 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 16:17.31 | sorphin | prpplague: calm down.. he may not be around :P |
| 16:17.46 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.11 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, sorry did that by accident |
| 16:21.39 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:26.31 | prpplague | hmmm, i don't understand how all of this spi mmc driver jamey fits together |
| 16:31.23 | pb_ | I don't think there's actually any support for spi mmc in the handhelds tree right now. |
| 16:31.45 | pb_ | at least, not in 2.6. the axim stuff might be supported in 2.6. |
| 16:34.05 | prpplague | pb_: yea, i grabed some stuff from - http://www.katix.org/katixlinux_howto.php |
| 16:34.18 | prpplague | pb_: modified versions of jameys patchs for spi |
| 16:34.28 | prpplague | pb_: but it just isn't making sense to me |
| 16:34.35 | prpplague | pb_: seems overly complicated |
| 16:35.19 | prpplague | pb_: i think there is something i am missing on the SPI understanding |
| 16:35.45 | chouimat | hi prpplague sorphin file pb_ |
| 16:35.52 | sorphin | chouimat: lo |
| 16:36.49 | pb_ | hi chouimat |
| 16:36.51 | pb_ | prpplague: ah |
| 16:38.13 | prpplague | pb_: hehe among other things, hehe |
| 16:38.37 | prpplague | really wish i knew more about hardware |
| 16:38.41 | T0mW | pong |
| 16:39.13 | prpplague | T0mW: hey hey |
| 16:39.18 | T0mW | yo ho |
| 16:39.26 | prpplague | T0mW: got some i2c spi questions for you if you got a sec |
| 16:39.34 | T0mW | duh, ok |
| 16:40.40 | sorphin | T0mW: allo |
| 16:40.59 | prpplague | T0mW: iirc the spi bus is full duplex, i.e. it has a line for datain and dataout |
| 16:41.38 | prpplague | T0mW: but all the code i'm seen really works with it in half-duplex, i.e. write dataout, read datain, writedataout, read datain |
| 16:42.15 | T0mW | not really, I guess it could run that way. I think the reasoning for the split lines was to config a pin as either input / or output (on MCU) and it would stay to one fixed purpose. |
| 16:42.45 | T0mW | There may have been something in the spec to allow, too, for an interrupt of transmission function. sort of like a BREAK for RS232 |
| 16:43.16 | prpplague | T0mW: ok, so it is half duplex? |
| 16:43.46 | T0mW | Keyboards (AT & PS2) use three wires, similar to SPI but there is a handshake ACK / NAK / BRK type thingy with the data lines + clock line. |
| 16:43.54 | T0mW | prpplague: primarily |
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| 16:44.17 | T0mW | prpplague: I haven't seen full duplex being used, however there is no reason it couldn't. |
| 16:44.22 | prpplague | T0mW: ok so, let me pass something by you here |
| 16:45.16 | prpplague | T0mW: one wire GPIO connected to both the SPI DO and DI, and one GPIO connected to SCK |
| 16:45.17 | MonMotha | the Playstation controllers use a bus similar to SPI, and it can be full duplex |
| 16:45.25 | T0mW | ok |
| 16:45.28 | T0mW | prpplague: ok |
| 16:45.32 | MonMotha | there are times when both the input and output lines change at the same time on the clock |
| 16:46.10 | T0mW | MonMotha: yeah, uncommon use but it is entirely possible to run duplex |
| 16:46.22 | prpplague | T0mW: software wise, working like this, during a write cycle, the GPIO is configured for output and works as DO, and on read cycle is set for input and works as DI |
| 16:46.44 | T0mW | MonMotha: all SPI is is a synchronis serial system |
| 16:46.59 | T0mW | prpplague: unlike UARTs which are asynchronis |
| 16:47.07 | MonMotha | T0mW: correct |
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| 16:47.25 | sorphin | TimRiker: it's timmmy |
| 16:47.31 | prpplague | T0mW: is that workable? |
| 16:47.45 | T0mW | your master just provides the clock, when it can. That way the master is saying "I'm here, talk to me" |
| 16:47.52 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.39 | T0mW | prpplague: there is nothing that says the clock must be running at all times. With a clock missing, it just means that the master is busy "go away, shutup" |
| 16:49.09 | prpplague | T0mW: what i'm asking is about DO and DI sharing a single GPIO line |
| 16:49.21 | chouimat | sorphin: me tool but some people didn't understood the cynism of the line |
| 16:49.28 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:49.38 | T0mW | prpplague: sure, as long as you don't try to interface to full duplex stuff like MonMotha refered to |
| 16:50.08 | prpplague | hmm, from what i gather sd/mmc cards are not full duplex |
| 16:50.48 | chouimat | sorphin: I got a lot of flame for this http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1256 (I know it's a kde website) |
| 16:50.58 | prpplague | T0mW: is that your understanding? |
| 16:51.19 | T0mW | prpplague: probably, although I don't know why not. you could interleave commands into the reception of data. That way they could "precharge" the next data acess with controller commands while reading data from the last command sequence. |
| 16:52.01 | prpplague | T0mW: similiar to jtag |
| 16:52.09 | T0mW | prpplague: correct |
| 16:52.22 | T0mW | reading the results of the last operation |
| 16:52.34 | T0mW | ... while telling it to do something new |
| 16:52.51 | T0mW | prpplague: I'd spend the pin |
| 16:53.09 | prpplague | T0mW: spend? |
| 16:53.11 | T0mW | prpplague: i did spend the pin :) |
| 16:53.19 | prpplague | T0mW: ? |
| 16:53.23 | T0mW | to me, I/O pins "cost" |
| 16:53.36 | prpplague | T0mW: oh you mean you'd use the extra pin? |
| 16:53.42 | T0mW | yeah |
| 16:53.52 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh, don't have a spare one to spend |
| 16:54.02 | prpplague | T0mW: i have an i2c bus already there |
| 16:54.12 | prpplague | T0mW: just trying to understand the interfacing |
| 16:54.50 | prpplague | T0mW: the page on the i2chips web page says you can mix i2c and spi, but doesn't show any example schematics |
| 16:54.57 | T0mW | prpplague: if you had a closed system, e.g. shift registers to read a bank of jumpers, then you could tie the SDO & SDI together, but if you going for a high-level, universal interface, I would use the extra pin. |
| 16:55.15 | prpplague | T0mW: and the way they talk gives me the inpression that you can just use the two lines, sda and sck |
| 16:55.54 | prpplague | T0mW: just sd/mmc |
| 16:56.05 | prpplague | T0mW: thats all i'm looking for |
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| 16:56.41 | prpplague | T0mW: the other option is to use a PCF8574 |
| 16:56.44 | T0mW | prpplague: they are probably use the I2C pins when the I2C system is quiet. e.g. between cycles. I2C is a master / slave protocol. the slaves keep quiet unless the master speaks first. So, if the master controller is disabled, then you could use the same pins to toggle SPI ? |
| 16:57.23 | prpplague | T0mW: right, you can use the i2c as long as you don't send a START or STOP level change |
| 16:57.43 | T0mW | IIRC, there is like a "slave request" pin on I2C so that slaves can "interrupt" for servicing. |
| 16:57.59 | prpplague | T0mW: only on some devices |
| 16:58.04 | T0mW | ok |
| 16:59.18 | prpplague | T0mW: based on my tests with sd/mmc, it seems to be a sequeced protocol, i.e. write command, get response, write command, get reponse |
| 16:59.25 | T0mW | prpplague: great thing about documentation, you can hide a lot of shit in there, like disclaimers: "the spi system is limited to a transfer rate of X bytes / sec with a maximum of ..." |
| 16:59.39 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 16:59.44 | T0mW | :) |
| 17:00.00 | T0mW | the devil is never in the details, for an engineer it is in the docs |
| 17:00.26 | prpplague | T0mW: so if that is the case, then i don't see why i couldn't use sda as both DO and DI |
| 17:01.38 | T0mW | hey, you try it, give a PCB a shot, see if it actually works alright. If not, you change something. Sometimes all that paperwork will drive you nuts. You'd be afraid to try something new. |
| 17:02.12 | T0mW | I'd just say to the boss, "I'm not sure this will work, I'd like to try it out" |
| 17:02.18 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, usually i find some docs to back me up |
| 17:02.29 | prpplague | T0mW: oh, this isn't 100% for work |
| 17:02.38 | T0mW | even better |
| 17:02.40 | prpplague | T0mW: the sd code is, but i'm hacking |
| 17:02.57 | T0mW | pixter or juice box? |
| 17:03.01 | prpplague | zipit |
| 17:03.10 | T0mW | interesting |
| 17:03.36 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ZipItMMC |
| 17:03.40 | T0mW | prpplague: you got a spare CHIP SELECT anywheres? |
| 17:03.58 | T0mW | on the processor I mean |
| 17:04.06 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, a spare gpio line, unused |
| 17:04.16 | T0mW | no, chip select |
| 17:04.31 | T0mW | like something that would goto a ROM / RAM chip |
| 17:04.42 | prpplague | oh you mean an actualy chip select associated with a memory address |
| 17:04.46 | T0mW | yeah |
| 17:04.48 | prpplague | i do not know |
| 17:04.57 | prpplague | T0mW: why? |
| 17:05.15 | T0mW | that would open up a huge world of I/O possibilites if you had a spare one of those |
| 17:05.39 | prpplague | T0mW: could you explain? |
| 17:06.21 | T0mW | use a chip select to enable an 8bit latch and 8bit buffer, then use WRITE to strobe the latch and READ to enable the buffer... |
| 17:06.44 | T0mW | then you don't have to mess with muxing signals. |
| 17:07.17 | T0mW | would be interesting if you can find the space to tuck a small board inside the unit someplace |
| 17:07.25 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, sounds complicated |
| 17:07.33 | prpplague | T0mW: plenty of room for a small board |
| 17:07.43 | T0mW | prpplague: think outside the box Dave, there are other i/o possibilities. |
| 17:08.18 | T0mW | prpplague: tiny LPC2106 processor speaking to the main processor via serial port... |
| 17:08.20 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, yea, well, i'm not a hardware guy, so i have only what i've experimented with |
| 17:08.40 | prpplague | T0mW: i assume you are refering to something like this - http://www.msx.org/forumtopic3754.html |
| 17:08.44 | T0mW | ok, experiment with some new stuff |
| 17:09.05 | T0mW | crude |
| 17:09.12 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i was thinking about using a pic or avr |
| 17:09.49 | prpplague | T0mW: main reason for using the i2c to spi was make the hardware modification small and the most part on the code |
| 17:09.56 | T0mW | naw, LPC2106: 60MHz, 128k Flash, 64K RAM + SPI + two UARTS ... |
| 17:10.08 | prpplague | T0mW: i2c? |
| 17:10.17 | T0mW | dunno, I don't use I2C |
| 17:10.25 | T0mW | too InTel-ish |
| 17:11.07 | T0mW | chouimat: you using a wiggler with that? |
| 17:11.11 | prpplague | T0mW: would it be too big of a favor to ask if you could draw me a schematic of what you are suggestion with the latch and buffer combo? |
| 17:11.20 | T0mW | np |
| 17:11.36 | T0mW | bbiab |
| 17:11.40 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks |
| 17:12.06 | chouimat | T0mW: yes ... but I will use the serial port ... I got a small olimex board |
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| 17:13.42 | chouimat | T0mW: currently hacking kdevelop so I just need to click a button to upload the program to the board ... |
| 17:22.32 | prpplague | T0mW: the lpc2106 has master/slave fast i2c (400kbits/sec) |
| 17:23.56 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, so you going to use the LPC2106 then? |
| 17:24.27 | T0mW | prpplague: you have a serial port free on the processor? |
| 17:26.14 | T0mW | prpplague: because then you can stick the MMC code into the LCP2106 use it as a subsystem for the ZipIt system. Solder the LCP2106 board to the MMC socket and run 4 wires to the ZipIt: +Vcc GND TX RX |
| 17:26.59 | T0mW | prpplague: you got 10 of those things? send me one |
| 17:27.16 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got no money right now |
| 17:28.35 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 17:28.40 | prpplague | T0mW: that was one thought |
| 17:28.51 | prpplague | T0mW: but i'd like to see your schematic using the latch and buffer |
| 17:28.56 | prpplague | T0mW: that sounds intriguing |
| 17:29.09 | T0mW | prpplague: ok |
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| 17:29.41 | prpplague | T0mW: i could test it with my several different boards that use i2c |
| 17:29.44 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: hey |
| 17:30.01 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: which patch are you using for mmc/sd card support? |
| 17:30.06 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: on the alchemy |
| 17:30.55 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: starting with the stock mmc in 2.6 |
| 17:31.07 | CP|Laptop | tossed on a homebrewed patch from hh.o cvs |
| 17:31.31 | CP|Laptop | I think Jamey has a patch hosted somewhere, though |
| 17:31.35 | T0mW | prpplague: thing is that the octal latch + buffer would need 14 wires: +Vcc GND 8-DATA CHIPSELECT READ WRITE and RESET |
| 17:32.17 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i figured as much |
| 17:35.56 | T0mW | prpplague: I would go with the LPC2106, that way you only have 4 wires to add, only two of which need to be some carefull soldering: to the TX & RX of the ZipIt uart. |
| 17:36.33 | T0mW | prpplague: then, if you need some pins to drive LEDs and such, you can command the LPC2106 to do that. |
| 17:36.43 | CP|Laptop | I thought of a decent OE project - make a super small image for the Xen domain 0 image |
| 17:37.12 | T0mW | did we need a decent OE project? |
| 17:37.16 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:37.28 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i'm think of cost as well complexity |
| 17:37.50 | T0mW | screw cost, prolly be about $25..30 |
| 17:38.05 | T0mW | prpplague: that includes modest profit |
| 17:38.22 | CP|Laptop | screw modest - go for 49.95 |
| 17:38.37 | T0mW | prpplague: after all, you're going to sell a million of these things, right? |
| 17:38.47 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: :P |
| 17:38.57 | T0mW | CP|Laptop: 49.95 installed |
| 17:39.25 | CP|Laptop | You need a million dollar advertising campagin |
| 17:39.28 | T0mW | Crazy Dave's ZipIt Daily Planner |
| 17:39.30 | CP|Laptop | is the Blue Man Group still available? |
| 17:40.33 | prpplague | hehe, i'm not planning to sell this |
| 17:40.45 | prpplague | T0mW: main educational |
| 17:42.14 | prpplague | ok, what about this, add a pcf8574 to the i2c bus, use it for the two leds and the lcd enable/disable |
| 17:42.38 | prpplague | then use the now unused gpios' to bit bang spi to the sd/mmc card |
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| 17:47.05 | cdm | anyone know of any FAT file filesystem manipulation utilities. |
| 17:47.16 | cdm | so you can copy in and out of a raw FAT filesystem... |
| 17:48.02 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: yea i have jameys patch, but can't figure it all out |
| 17:48.10 | prpplague | cdm: yea there is a set of utils |
| 17:48.16 | cdm | got a name? |
| 17:48.16 | prpplague | cdm: one sec let me get the name |
| 17:48.19 | cdm | I cannot find it. ;) |
| 17:50.12 | prpplague | cdm: one sec, its a cryptic name |
| 17:50.13 | cdm | thanks in advance... |
| 17:50.52 | prpplague | cdm: mtools |
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| 17:51.33 | cdm | thanks dude! |
| 17:51.36 | prpplague | cdm: whole host of utils for dealing with fat based stuff |
| 17:51.41 | prpplague | cdm: np |
| 17:52.39 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: how did you generate a new driver for use with the mmc stuff? |
| 17:53.29 | CP|Laptop | Not sure what you're asking |
| 17:53.53 | CP|Laptop | Oh, and please be patient - there are about 300 people in this room |
| 17:54.00 | CP|Laptop | I'm surprised the AP isn't on fire at this point |
| 17:57.11 | T0mW | prpplague: http://openhardware.net/foo.gif |
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| 17:57.50 | MonMotha | hum, I swear half the web servers on the internet must have a foo.gif or similar file on tem |
| 17:57.58 | T0mW | :) |
| 17:58.06 | T0mW | MonMotha: reminds me to delete it |
| 17:58.22 | T0mW | MonMotha: maybe I should call it bar.gif? |
| 17:58.28 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks looking |
| 17:58.31 | MonMotha | T0mW: should just make a cron script that runs daily: rm -f /var/www/htdocs/foo.gif :) |
| 17:58.43 | MonMotha | I am curious what you'd did |
| 17:58.52 | T0mW | locate foo.* | xargs -ithis rm -f this |
| 17:59.02 | MonMotha | oh, it's a PC parallel port :) |
| 17:59.08 | T0mW | MonMotha: yeah |
| 17:59.25 | T0mW | basically 8 bit i/o |
| 17:59.39 | MonMotha | T0mW: yup, looks almost exactly like a classic bidirectional pport |
| 18:00.22 | prpplague | T0mW: ok so that gives me 8 outputs and 8 inputs |
| 18:00.29 | T0mW | prpplague: yes |
| 18:00.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:00.58 | prpplague | T0mW: from that i can bitbang spi |
| 18:01.00 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm |
| 18:01.02 | MonMotha | of course, if you have 32 bit data bus, you can stack 4 latches/buffers and get 32 I/Os |
| 18:01.16 | T0mW | certain limitations: READ & WRITE must be active low, CHIPSELECT is active low, DATA on the bus persists for at least 10ns after CHIPSELECT releases. |
| 18:01.49 | prpplague | i like this design |
| 18:01.50 | T0mW | MonMotha: naw, just acess it on DWORD boundries |
| 18:01.56 | prpplague | could be tested with thru hole |
| 18:01.59 | MonMotha | T0mW: works too |
| 18:02.03 | T0mW | nod |
| 18:03.06 | prpplague | the big key would be to locate an unused chipselect that is available on the board |
| 18:03.19 | prpplague | and the soldering of all those lines |
| 18:03.20 | T0mW | prpplague: normally, rising edge problem should not exist in ARM. I learned that from the SA-1100 (tux) IDE interface |
| 18:03.52 | MonMotha | reminds me...I should do something with the tux that's sitting next to me |
| 18:03.59 | CP|Laptop | CP|Laptop: so prpplague, what were you asking me? |
| 18:03.59 | MonMotha | like, oh, I don't know, make it work as a phone? |
| 18:04.14 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, i'm still thinking i might use a pcf8574 |
| 18:04.39 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: just wondering what you did for your driver to interface to the mmc code |
| 18:04.39 | T0mW | prpplague: those part numbers are TSSOP chips at digikey, they operate from 2.0 to 5 volts |
| 18:04.51 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, already looked |
| 18:04.59 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: err - used the API? |
| 18:05.14 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: which api is that? |
| 18:06.11 | CP|Laptop | Are we in an abbott and costello routine? |
| 18:06.26 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: hehe, i guess |
| 18:06.56 | CP|Laptop | the MMC bus defines a standard set of operations |
| 18:07.10 | CP|Laptop | so you just tie into those, and bob's your uncle |
| 18:07.25 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: right, but i didn't see any docs covering an api |
| 18:07.44 | CP|Laptop | yeah, well |
| 18:08.33 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: should i be looking at the mmc_core.c for those api descriptions? |
| 18:08.46 | CP|Laptop | Thank goodness we have the code then |
| 18:08.59 | CP|Laptop | ep |
| 18:09.32 | T0mW | later dudes, going for joyride in my car |
| 18:09.45 | prpplague | T0mW: later |
| 18:09.47 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks |
| 18:09.59 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: hmm, i just don't understand all of thats fitting together |
| 18:10.14 | CP|Laptop | yep |
| 18:10.14 | CP|Laptop | There are two hooks, and a callback that you should be aware of |
| 18:10.14 | CP|Laptop | set_ios controls the settings on the MMC card - stuff like voltage, power state, etc |
| 18:10.20 | CP|Laptop | 'request' actually does a MMC request - what happens here is that the MMC subsystem fires off a request (command / response), and then goes to sleep |
| 18:10.25 | T0mW | prpplague: you might take that idea of mine about the I/O and check out the 74LVC6245 chip. |
| 18:10.36 | prpplague | T0mW: will do |
| 18:10.47 | CP|Laptop | You do everything you need to, and then call 'mmc_finish_request" which moves the process along |
| 18:11.58 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: ok, so my sticking point is how does the mmc driver know i need to use my spi driver, or your alchemy driver for communicating to the mmc card? |
| 18:13.15 | CP|Laptop | Thats just it - you register your driver (and hooks) with the MMC system. |
| 18:13.23 | CP|Laptop | Like you would with a framebuffer or pci device, or whatever |
| 18:13.57 | CP|Laptop | in my case, I declare a platform device, since I'm off of the perhperial bus, which doesn't have or need a controller of its own |
| 18:14.32 | prpplague | i'd need to do the same since i'll be using the primecell spi controler |
| 18:15.07 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: hehe, this is soooo much different than the driver i did thats already working |
| 18:15.26 | CP|Laptop | right |
| 18:16.10 | Crofton__|laptop | Apparently people have been scuttering around here |
| 18:16.25 | prpplague | i'm wondering if this is worth my time at this stage of the game |
| 18:16.28 | CP|Laptop | the driver subsystem will go ahead and probe for you, so that way you'll get invoked |
| 18:16.28 | CP|Laptop | and then from there you set up your chip, and you're in flavor country |
| 18:16.30 | Crofton__|laptop | I'll have a URL in a bit |
| 18:17.07 | prpplague | Crofton__|laptop: whats up? |
| 18:17.37 | prpplague | Crofton__|laptop: are you refering to #elinux? |
| 18:17.41 | Crofton__|laptop | heh, just wait for the pic :) |
| 18:18.05 | Crofton__|laptop | we are in trouble with the janitors |
| 18:18.11 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:18.29 | Crofton__|laptop | neofob, has a picture of me, the note, and the "scutter" |
| 18:18.40 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: ok my brain is melting |
| 18:18.53 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: you can really use much of what you are doing |
| 18:19.05 | CP|Laptop | its nice because the mmc engine goes to sleep - so you have plenty of time to do whatever you need to |
| 18:19.23 | CP|Laptop | unfortunately for you, most of the examples are DMA based, so you have little to draw on |
| 18:19.30 | CP|Laptop | but you already have a working driver, so thats good |
| 18:19.45 | CP|Laptop | Crofton__|laptop: wanna quit being cryptic? |
| 18:20.11 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: yea, but i'm afraid my driver isn't up to snuff |
| 18:20.25 | CP|Laptop | does it transfer data? |
| 18:20.32 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: yea |
| 18:20.37 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: works fine |
| 18:20.49 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: its almost identical to the hack for the wrt54g |
| 18:21.03 | CP|Laptop | then ship it |
| 18:22.22 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: only major difference is that it uses the lh79520 spi controler |
| 18:22.40 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: hmm ok, just bummed that i don't understand that mmc patch |
| 18:23.04 | prpplague | oh and its a module |
| 18:23.19 | CP|Laptop | thats fine |
| 18:23.27 | prpplague | i've not gotten around ot trying to compile into a mono kernel |
| 18:23.45 | CP|Laptop | modules aren't illegal |
| 18:28.32 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: yea, just prefer it compiled in |
| 18:28.51 | prpplague | well #$%^#%^ i should freaking go home |
| 18:29.07 | prpplague | now my module i was working doesn't compile |
| 18:33.07 | Crofton__|laptop | http://www.balister.org/~balister/DSC01475.jpg |
| 18:33.12 | Crofton__|laptop | No Scuttering! |
| 18:37.51 | prpplague | heheh |
| 18:40.25 | sorphin | clear |
| 18:40.27 | sorphin | grr |
| 18:40.44 | CP|Laptop | no, *you* clear |
| 18:41.47 | CP|Laptop | Crofton__|laptop: there's only one thing left to do - scutter on the celling |
| 18:46.35 | Crofton__|laptop | heh |
| 18:47.00 | Crofton__|laptop | once, several years ago, I locked the back wheel up inthe main hall and marked the floor |
| 18:47.05 | CP|Laptop | Crofton__|laptop: Am I to take it that the author of this is some sort of Lumbergh type? |
| 18:47.10 | Crofton__|laptop | and flat spotted the wheel |
| 18:47.14 | Crofton__|laptop | Janitor |
| 18:47.31 | Crofton__|laptop | She caught neofob scuttering to the water fountain apparently |
| 18:47.34 | CP|Laptop | So he was going to go talk to Lumbergh |
| 18:47.42 | Crofton__|laptop | Lumbergh? |
| 18:47.46 | CP|Laptop | Office Space |
| 18:47.52 | Crofton__|laptop | ah |
| 18:47.54 | Crofton__|laptop | no |
| 18:47.54 | CP|Laptop | Ummm, yeah... |
| 18:48.20 | Crofton__|laptop | Here janitors have the illusion of being more important than students |
| 18:48.21 | CP|Laptop | It would be ummm... great if you wouldn't scutter on the floors. |
| 18:48.31 | CP|Laptop | And uh, I need you to come in on Sunday too |
| 18:48.41 | Crofton__|laptop | heh,, a friend of mine explained the pecking order once |
| 18:48.51 | Crofton__|laptop | professors, students staph |
| 18:48.57 | Crofton__|laptop | and he was staff |
| 18:48.58 | neofob | now my caffein intake is reduced in half due to the lack of scutter |
| 18:49.38 | neofob | s/caffein/caffeine |
| 18:49.56 | CP|Laptop | I assume that walking is completely out of the question |
| 18:50.51 | Crofton__|laptop | walking isn't as fun |
| 18:51.31 | TheCollector | I should get a minibike to ride around campus on |
| 18:51.49 | CP|Laptop | Rent a Segway |
| 18:52.04 | Crofton__|laptop | I want to rent Segways on campus |
| 18:52.25 | Crofton__|laptop | swipe a credit card and the segway is unlocked from charging rack |
| 18:52.33 | TheCollector | The cops at Love Field have Segways |
| 18:52.34 | Crofton__|laptop | park in rack across campus |
| 18:52.37 | Crofton__|laptop | bill by time |
| 18:52.53 | TheCollector | Crofton__|laptop: could be pretty cool |
| 18:53.11 | CP|Laptop | Heh |
| 18:53.32 | CP|Laptop | Only problem is, few credit cards could affort to actually buy the thing when they steal it from you |
| 18:53.43 | TheCollector | yeah |
| 18:53.58 | CP|Laptop | Heh |
| 18:54.04 | CP|Laptop | Tim Bird walks in wearing a Lineo shirt |
| 18:54.17 | Crofton__|laptop | well you have the credit card info for deposit |
| 18:54.49 | CP|Laptop | Heh - then a chick walks in straight off the front page of Boing Boing |
| 18:54.58 | CP|Laptop | decorative sombrero and everything |
| 19:11.39 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 19:25.51 | CP|Laptop | chouimat: happy? fd.o called off the death threats? |
| 19:26.28 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: working on M2 and I managed to make my remote management ioslave working over rs232 |
| 19:28.21 | CP|Laptop | I see |
| 19:28.37 | CP|Laptop | <whispers> he's crazy! |
| 19:29.04 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: lol |
| 19:34.43 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: actualy it's fun ... I can use konqueror to control my coffee maker |
| 19:35.55 | CP|Laptop | cool - you finally found a use for konqueror |
| 19:38.04 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: hehe |
| 19:39.16 | CP|Laptop | heh |
| 19:40.08 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: after the week I had online your comment about konqy is most welcome ;) |
| 19:40.35 | CP|Laptop | You always know where to come for somebody to dump on KDE.. :) |
| 19:41.07 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: at least you only attack the software not the manhood of the developer |
| 20:07.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:07.47 | sorphin | 'wait.. Konquerer has a use? |
| 20:10.06 | TheCollector | yeah, but not as many as links ;) |
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| 20:24.39 | sorphin | andersee: greetings mr andersen |
| 20:25.21 | andersee | sorphin: Welcome to rivendale |
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| 20:31.59 | sorphin | andersee: eh? |
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| 20:42.51 | CP|Lapto2 | Good, that guy was an ass |
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| 20:57.58 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 21:04.56 | CP|OLS | I think I read groklaw for the same reason I don't have fishhead on ignore |
| 21:05.01 | CP|OLS | I enjoy getting riled up |
| 21:05.11 | Hound | :) |
| 21:07.47 | TheCollector | haha |
| 21:11.28 | Hound | woh this is #elinux, fishhead isn't even in here. |
| 21:11.40 | Hound | I was confused there for a second |
| 21:12.04 | CP|OLS | Oh, he'll be back |
| 21:12.32 | Hound | well I thought I was in #politics where he is atm. hehe |
| 21:13.35 | CP|OLS | dinner! |
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| 22:31.23 | Hound | CP|AFK, you were right! |
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