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| 05:51.55 | TimRiker | anyone know how the wifi card on the zipit is hooked up? or what bits they used from pcmcia-cs ? |
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| 13:45.37 | sorphin | prpplague: timmy asked a zipit Q: <TimRiker> anyone know how the wifi card on the zipit is hooked up? or what bits they used from pcmcia-cs ? |
| 13:45.39 | sorphin | just fyi |
| 13:46.17 | prpplague | sorphin: ok thanks, my dsl line is down |
| 13:46.20 | prpplague | sorphin: so i'm low bandwidth today |
| 13:46.26 | sorphin | oops |
| 13:46.51 | sorphin | i'm moving desk twice in a span of a couple days (starting today) |
| 13:46.56 | sorphin | stupid corporate crap |
| 13:46.58 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 13:48.37 | sorphin | and there's the king of ARM |
| 13:49.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:49.53 | prpplague | pb_: morning |
| 13:50.02 | pb_ | hey plague |
| 13:50.06 | pb_ | hi sorphin |
| 13:50.18 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher |
| 13:50.19 | prpplague | pb_: getting ready for your friday pub crawl? |
| 13:51.17 | prpplague | pb_: what is the prefered greeting there in your area? |
| 13:52.25 | sorphin | prpplague: i generally 'wotcher' any uk resident, heh |
| 13:56.57 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:05.33 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 14:06.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:06.41 | CosmicPenguin | He was optimistic yesterday |
| 14:07.21 | prpplague | wow gamepark has a new pad that is linux based |
| 14:07.23 | prpplague | arm9 |
| 14:12.49 | prpplague | oh my |
| 14:13.01 | prpplague | gameparks new unit looks like it rocks |
| 14:13.55 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 14:14.05 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9112527929.html |
| 14:14.06 | CosmicPenguin | Slashdot is full of intel trolls these days |
| 14:14.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, AMD is so passe ya know ;) |
| 14:14.32 | prpplague | uh sorphin, i have a url for you |
| 14:14.40 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/Careers/07/28/annoying/index.html |
| 14:14.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:15.23 | sorphin | uhh |
| 14:16.09 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:16.22 | prpplague | "11. Others back away from you as you speak." |
| 14:19.23 | prpplague | sorphin: odd, so you aren't a GPL supported? |
| 14:19.23 | prpplague | s/d/r |
| 14:19.27 | CosmicPenguin | There's the problem right there - too many people do think GPL is a buzzword |
| 14:21.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: explain |
| 14:21.15 | sorphin | prpplague: as i said the other day, i've never released something GPL, of all the lil things i've released.. i generally just simply release it, give me credit if you want, if you like it/it's useful to you, if not, i'm not gonna lose sleep over it |
| 14:22.03 | sorphin | anything i write on my own time, i do what i want w/, anything i write for an employer, never leaves their shop anyways |
| 14:22.12 | sorphin | unless i keep a copy for reference |
| 14:22.38 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:22.42 | sorphin | for reuse down the line |
| 14:24.05 | prpplague | i have a thousand things i need to be working on :( |
| 14:24.08 | sorphin | prpplague: nothing i write is gonna be some new revolutionary tool that all the linux community will give a fsck about, so why bother? not like i could afford to a) sue anyone, b) care enough to sue someone over code, if they can make $ off it, more power to them, it's more trouble than it's worth to me |
| 14:24.28 | prpplague | sorphin: you never know |
| 14:24.39 | sorphin | no source (cuz i wrote it from scratch) |
| 14:24.43 | prpplague | sorphin: information is king |
| 14:24.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hey now |
| 14:24.57 | sorphin | i'd been asked for source once or twice |
| 14:25.03 | sorphin | but no huge demand |
| 14:25.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 14:25.27 | sorphin | prpplague: but this whole rereleaseing whole linux kernel trees |
| 14:25.33 | sorphin | is just sad, really |
| 14:25.43 | sorphin | grab a vanilla kernel |
| 14:25.44 | sorphin | grab yours |
| 14:25.47 | sorphin | diff -u |
| 14:25.50 | sorphin | release patch |
| 14:25.50 | sorphin | done |
| 14:26.09 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, not always that easy |
| 14:26.31 | sorphin | just gimme your CHANGES |
| 14:27.02 | sorphin | because everyone does that crap |
| 14:27.15 | prpplague | sorphin: thats the point, alot of developers don't do things properly enough with kernel dev to easily generate usful diffs |
| 14:27.16 | sorphin | prpplague: how isn't it? |
| 14:27.23 | sorphin | uh |
| 14:27.59 | sorphin | all you're diffing is one kernel to another, if you can't make a patch from that, then how the fsck is your kernel even compiling? |
| 14:28.23 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm just saying that the diff is totally unreadable |
| 14:28.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:29.19 | prpplague | sorphin: diff is diff is diff, you'll get something that you can apply of course, but boiling it down to things you truely changed requires planning |
| 14:29.53 | sorphin | prpplague: i guess that's why i don't do this for a living, i have no desire to monkey w/ that insanity |
| 14:29.58 | prpplague | sorphin: yea well, we you have a legacy device running a 2.4.8 kernel and need to bring the patches forward to 2.4.27 , then you have a problem |
| 14:30.25 | sorphin | BTDT |
| 14:30.37 | file[laptop] | silly payroll screwing up my pay check |
| 14:30.45 | sorphin | prpplague: and it turned out |
| 14:30.53 | sorphin | it was better off just sticking w/ the original kernel used |
| 14:31.06 | sorphin | there was no benefit to using a new kernel |
| 14:31.10 | sorphin | other than it was 'new' |
| 14:31.29 | prpplague | sorphin: yea sometimes that is true but maintance wise that can be a problem |
| 14:31.50 | sorphin | well, to each their own |
| 14:32.45 | sorphin | otherwise i'll never enjoy it again |
| 14:33.06 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, well, i'll be cleaning up the mess at AML for atleast another year due to lousy kernel maintance and no quality diffs |
| 14:33.14 | sorphin | which, would be why i'm doing what i do now |
| 14:33.32 | sorphin | nor do i webmonkey |
| 14:33.40 | sorphin | but that's what i do here for a living |
| 14:34.00 | sorphin | anyways |
| 14:34.12 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm sorry i don't understand your point |
| 14:35.13 | CosmicPenguin | I think he's saying that he doesn't enjoy his job, so he can enjoy his free time |
| 14:35.39 | prpplague | oh |
| 14:36.24 | prpplague | if i'm gonna spend 8 hours a day 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year doing something, i want to make sure i enjoy it |
| 14:37.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: exactly |
| 14:37.25 | sorphin | prpplague: well, if i do that |
| 14:37.35 | sorphin | then i'll have squat to do in my off time |
| 14:37.42 | sorphin | other than sit there and watch tv |
| 14:38.00 | prpplague | why is that? |
| 14:38.31 | sorphin | because usually all i do when i'm at home, aside from working on the house, is work on my projects |
| 14:38.32 | prpplague | just different types of things to enjoy |
| 14:39.00 | sorphin | like my EE stuff i finally got working, thanks to some help from gpsfan |
| 14:39.35 | prpplague | EE stuff? |
| 14:40.08 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:41.27 | prpplague | really? |
| 14:41.34 | sorphin | CE, maybe |
| 14:41.36 | sorphin | CS, no |
| 14:41.40 | prpplague | you have an EE degree? |
| 14:42.01 | sorphin | prpplague: taht's what it says on the bachelors degree diploma |
| 14:42.19 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - I didn't even know that sorphin went to school |
| 14:42.34 | prpplague | sorphin: jeezes then why you are not doing EE? |
| 14:42.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: gee thanks, and back to bring em young you go, you AMD lackey :P |
| 14:43.02 | CosmicPenguin | I thought you were a self made man |
| 14:43.22 | CosmicPenguin | But apparently you *did* spend 27k for nothing, because you're getting nothing back from your EE degree |
| 14:43.36 | sorphin | prpplague: you really think i could buy the house i did on EE work? |
| 14:44.10 | prpplague | sorphin: uh yea, the EE's i know make a ton of money |
| 14:44.29 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - the highest paid engineers in our division are by and large EEs |
| 14:44.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: while yes, i'm not totally using it (tho i use it for personal projects), i did it for the bachelors degree in general, no job i've ever went for would hire w/o one |
| 14:45.05 | sorphin | so i'd be useless to a company like AMD |
| 14:45.21 | CosmicPenguin | Wait - aren't you 30? |
| 14:45.31 | sorphin | and your point is... |
| 14:45.49 | CosmicPenguin | So we went to school about the same time, and all the EEs I graduated with did VHDL |
| 14:46.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and i'm sure they went to different schools than I did |
| 14:46.44 | Crofton | heh |
| 14:46.51 | Crofton | I am an EE and I don't know vhdl |
| 14:46.57 | sorphin | Crofton: :) |
| 14:46.59 | Crofton | or verilog |
| 14:47.02 | sorphin | ditto |
| 14:47.08 | Crofton | But I sort of need to know it now |
| 14:47.15 | Crofton | WHich ones? |
| 14:47.23 | sorphin | crap |
| 14:47.34 | Wingnut | VHDL is just another language...it has some quirks tho |
| 14:47.35 | sorphin | you're gonna make me think back all those years back |
| 14:47.43 | Crofton | I used wo work for GE when the first came out with the series six |
| 14:47.58 | sorphin | Crofton: the fun of ladder diagrams :P |
| 14:48.01 | Crofton | yeah |
| 14:48.24 | Crofton | real handy format if you are dealing with electrician types though |
| 14:48.54 | sorphin | prpplague: the biggest reason, i guess.. i've grown up working in computers, i've never not worked in computers, so that's the thing people immediately snag me up for.. even the school placed me in a job like that |
| 14:48.56 | sorphin | so.. |
| 14:48.58 | prpplague | this is very interesting |
| 14:49.53 | sorphin | this is why i'm kinda glad tho that i don't do EE all the time |
| 14:49.56 | sorphin | i'd burn out on it |
| 14:50.03 | sorphin | and never enjoy it in my spare time |
| 14:50.16 | sorphin | prpplague: when i was 20, oh some 10 years ago |
| 14:50.40 | sorphin | worked for the owners |
| 14:50.57 | sorphin | slept on sunday (literally) |
| 14:50.59 | sorphin | did that for a year |
| 14:51.11 | sorphin | would i ever do that again? my body would kill me 1st |
| 14:51.26 | sorphin | i'd say chuck the AT&T job and just have done the ISP |
| 14:51.29 | sorphin | that was the fun job |
| 14:51.37 | sorphin | but that's because it wasn't my bread winner |
| 14:52.56 | CosmicPenguin | spansion! spansion! |
| 14:54.42 | sorphin | have i mentioned the corporate world can eat my ass? (partly from office space) |
| 14:55.11 | sorphin | bbl. |
| 14:56.32 | prpplague | hmm, anyone recommend a good supplier for nand flash? |
| 14:56.36 | pb_ | prpplague: I think all nand flash is pretty much the same. unless you use something like DiskOnChip. |
| 14:56.49 | pb_ | as for chip suppliers, try Samsung or Toshiba. |
| 14:56.56 | pb_ | or Renasas, but they only do high-density parts these days |
| 14:57.15 | prpplague | pb_: i meant small qty like jameco and digikey, |
| 14:57.24 | prpplague | brb adsl just came up |
| 14:57.26 | pb_ | oh, right |
| 14:57.31 | pb_ | digikey or mouser, I guess |
| 14:57.50 | pb_ | or check the samsung/toshiba websites for other distributors |
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| 14:59.19 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:59.21 | prpplague | the plague returns like a bad case of athletes foot |
| 14:59.28 | CosmicPenguin | <pb_> digikey or mouser, I guess |
| 14:59.28 | CosmicPenguin | <pb_> or check the samsung/toshiba websites for other distributors |
| 14:59.46 | prpplague | digikey doesn't stock any |
| 15:00.12 | pb_ | mouser carry some ST parts, I think |
| 15:00.35 | pb_ | newark might have some too |
| 15:01.23 | pb_ | or: http://export.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/searchPage2.jsp?x=0&OrgTT=nand+flash&Nty=1&N=1003969+401&=gensearch&y=0&No=0&Ntt=nand%20flash&Ntk=gensearch&comSearch=true |
| 15:02.37 | prpplague | getting hardware that i can use is my biggest holdback in doing my personal projects |
| 15:04.02 | prpplague | hmm, no stock at mouser |
| 15:04.27 | fishhead | sorphin remind me of myself somewhat |
| 15:12.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all of the spansion product line NAND? |
| 15:16.25 | CosmicPenguin | SOme of them are |
| 15:16.36 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not really up on the spansion product line |
| 15:17.08 | prpplague | well i can't seem to find a single supplier who has nand in stock |
| 15:18.25 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here know the alsa engine very well? |
| 15:24.05 | prpplague | jeeze that nand flash is expensive |
| 15:31.57 | prpplague | hmm, that would be nice if i can find a suitable cf card with nand flash |
| 15:36.52 | pb_ | I see that Farnell have some 128Mbit and 256Mbit parts in stock. What size did you need? |
| 15:37.01 | pb_ | Mouser seem to have the 1Gbit parts, but nothing smaller. |
| 15:37.20 | prpplague | pb_: they had them in stock? |
| 15:37.58 | prpplague | pb_: i was just looking for something like an 8MB part, but based on what i see i'm probably gonna try to find a cf or thumbdrive to use |
| 15:38.08 | pb_ | prpplague: yeah |
| 15:38.26 | prpplague | pb_: trying to hack a replace ment cart for the juicebox |
| 15:38.58 | prpplague | pb_: looks like bootloader on the JB jumps to the 0x00 address of the nand and executes whats there |
| 15:39.25 | prpplague | pb_: so i should be able to chain boot another bootloader and kernel |
| 15:40.09 | prpplague | question is how many thumbdrives and cf cards will i have to buy to find a usuable nand flash |
| 15:40.33 | prpplague | wish i knew some other common gadget that had some nand flash |
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| 15:42.02 | otaku42 | hi all |
| 15:42.52 | prpplague | otaku42: greetings earthling |
| 15:43.34 | otaku42 | anyone has a hint for a dhcp server which also can act as dhcp relay, which allows to define the IP/interface to work on and is small enough for an environment with restricted resources? |
| 15:44.18 | prpplague | otaku42: well udhcp has most of those options |
| 15:44.41 | prpplague | otaku42: i don't know about the dhcp relay, but i don't suspect that would be difficult make work |
| 15:45.14 | prpplague | otaku42: udhcp has been mostly intergrated into busybox |
| 15:45.40 | prpplague | otaku42: and is commonly used with wireless product design such as the linksys products |
| 15:47.33 | prpplague | pb_: you done much with nand flash? |
| 15:49.10 | otaku42 | prpplague: from what i've seen so far, udhcp is not capable of dhcp-relaying. but then i didn't look too close. it would be nice to have these functions in one product, rather than either adding two different products to the system or adding the missing functionality to udhcp |
| 15:49.51 | prpplague | otaku42: iirc the dhcp relaying is fairly simple, it wouldn't be hard to implement |
| 15:50.35 | otaku42 | prpplague: any hint where i can find some background information on how dhcp relaying works? |
| 15:51.02 | pb_ | prpplague: yah, we use it in all our devices |
| 15:51.15 | pb_ | the samsung cpu has a glueless interface to nand. |
| 15:51.56 | prpplague | pb_: ahh cool |
| 15:51.59 | prpplague | otaku42: According to the udchp ChangeLog, "support for DHCP relays" was added to |
| 15:52.00 | prpplague | udchpd in version 0.9.0 |
| 15:52.37 | prpplague | pb_: hmm, we'd be using standard intel flash for our stuff |
| 15:52.47 | otaku42 | prpplague: must have missed that on the project's website. thanks very much for the hint, i will have a look |
| 15:53.35 | prpplague | otaku42: there a multiple listings from google regarding this question |
| 15:54.26 | otaku42 | prpplague: "listening socket now only binds to one interface" (0.9.1) |
| 15:54.35 | otaku42 | prpplague: looks good. |
| 15:55.20 | prpplague | otaku42: google is your friend |
| 15:55.46 | prpplague | otaku42: there is a 99% probably that someone has asked a question before on a mailing list |
| 15:55.47 | pb_ | prpplague: yeah, that'd work too. I think the NAND is a bit cheaper than the intel strata stuff. |
| 15:56.06 | prpplague | pb_: yea, probably, but we buy it in bulk for about 10 other devices |
| 15:56.16 | pb_ | right |
| 15:56.29 | prpplague | pb_: but i'll ask about it |
| 15:57.17 | prpplague | pb_: http://www.matrixsemi.com/products-and-applications/otp-memory.html |
| 15:57.25 | prpplague | pb_: thats what i'm trying to replace |
| 15:58.02 | prpplague | pb_: says the interface is NAND compatible |
| 15:58.03 | pb_ | aha. |
| 15:58.03 | otaku42 | prpplague: ack. should've tried google before asking. |
| 15:58.39 | prpplague | otaku42: no biggy, just providing feedback for next time |
| 15:59.16 | otaku42 | prpplague: thx :) |
| 15:59.21 | prpplague | otaku42: imho, doing dev work is easy, knowing how to find the documents and information you need is hard |
| 16:00.52 | prpplague | pb_: we've been out of imported beer for 3 weeks now :( |
| 16:02.04 | otaku42 | prpplague: the problem is that this feature needs to be added in very little time. i love developping stuff, but in this case time is the problem. |
| 16:02.42 | prpplague | otaku42: btdt |
| 16:03.15 | prpplague | otaku42: my suggestion is if you can't get the udhcp stuff working fairly quickly there is another relay program that was listed in the mailing list |
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| 16:03.26 | prpplague | otaku42: x86 arch? |
| 16:03.43 | otaku42 | prpplague: yes, x86 |
| 16:04.13 | prpplague | otaku42: dhcrelay from the ICS DHCP package |
| 16:04.26 | prpplague | otaku42: http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/dhcp/ |
| 16:04.37 | otaku42 | prpplague: ok, thanks. will try. |
| 16:07.38 | CosmicPenguin | Well, I look like an idiot |
| 16:07.43 | CosmicPenguin | but less then I could be, I guess |
| 16:07.57 | CosmicPenguin | And thats something |
| 16:09.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
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| 16:28.03 | sorphin | TimRiker: moin timmy |
| 16:31.29 | file[laptop] | hi Tim |
| 16:46.55 | Russ | otaku42: what'd you want? |
| 16:47.49 | Russ | udhcp doesn't relay, but it definately has all the components, they probably wouldn't be too difficult to glue together |
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| 16:54.35 | otaku42 | Russ: hmm, ok, but what's the mentioned "dhcp relay support" then? support for the client only, or? |
| 16:55.52 | sorphin | kergoth: hired yet? |
| 16:57.48 | kergoth | sorphin: heh, they havent called me yet |
| 16:58.17 | kergoth | sorphin: but i had sent the resume the day the job posting went up, got a call the next day, and interviewed the day after.. |
| 16:58.24 | kergoth | sorphin: so i expect they'll want to wait a few days to see what shows up |
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| 17:15.41 | CosmicPenguin | sigh - native sound is perfect, but I get the docile sounds of silence when I try to convert from 8 to 16 bit |
| 17:16.51 | prpplague | hmm, the usb thumbdrive has NAND flash but it looks to be 5v and the cf cards have AND flash |
| 17:19.49 | prpplague | any think of a cheap gadget with NAND flash? |
| 17:38.58 | prpplague | hmm this usb thumbdrive appears to be nand and 3.3v |
| 17:49.11 | prpplague | crap, looks to be a x16 chip |
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| 18:14.06 | prpplague | all i have to say is wow, i can't believe how hard it is to purchase nand flash |
| 18:17.11 | cdm | and it's only going to get worse. ;) |
| 18:18.09 | prpplague | cdm: oh? |
| 18:18.29 | sorphin | kergoth: gotcha |
| 18:19.31 | sorphin | prpplague: found a dude on ebay.. CF<->IDE $.99, 3.5<->2.5 ide $.99, usb drive case, $.99, and his shipping is the normal ups type rates, so i dunno how he's making $, heh |
| 18:20.34 | prpplague | hehe stuff is stolen |
| 18:20.52 | prpplague | hmm, ppl are listing the nintendo64 flash modules as NAND flash |
| 18:21.00 | prpplague | wonder what voltage they are |
| 18:22.05 | cdm | prpplague: for sure man - look at all the portable media devices that will be eating up the flash market. |
| 18:25.54 | prpplague | cdm: yea |
| 18:27.38 | prpplague | still |
| 18:27.58 | prpplague | i should be able to find a 3.3v x8 module somewhere |
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| 19:12.38 | cdm | wb Tim |
| 19:31.59 | sorphin | anyone alive that uses SATA Raid? |
| 19:37.09 | CosmicPenguin | No, because I say if I did, you would probably ask me a question or something |
| 19:37.09 | cdm | I am sure - somewhere. ;) |
| 19:47.20 | CosmicPenguin | Ugh |
| 19:47.35 | CosmicPenguin | I feel like I haven't gotten a damn thing done all week |
| 19:47.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 19:48.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i've gotten nothing done today work wise |
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| 19:48.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i've learned a load today |
| 19:48.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: gee... thanks |
| 19:48.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i got my juicebox to recognize this NAND flash on the usb thumbdrive |
| 19:49.00 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its just that my SATA raid stuff is held together by duct tape and spit, and if you asked me questions about it, it would expose my ignorance about the whole thing |
| 19:49.14 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm waiting to see if my IBM 32MB thumbdrive shows up |
| 19:49.15 | CosmicPenguin | It works, I don't ask questions |
| 19:49.19 | prpplague | TimRiker: did you get a juicebox? |
| 19:49.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, i wasn't gonna get really specific |
| 19:49.30 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 19:50.03 | sorphin | prpplague: sign up on ibm's tivoli site, get a free thumbdrive w/ some info on it, but if you pop it open, short a couple traces, it recovers the 'locked' partition |
| 19:50.10 | sorphin | and boom, free 32MB thumbdrive |
| 19:50.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'm just trying to decide whether or not to actually switch to it |
| 19:50.48 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh |
| 19:50.48 | sorphin | least in my servers |
| 19:51.05 | sorphin | prpplague: people were bitching, it's not worth the time for a 32mb drive.. |
| 19:51.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:51.11 | sorphin | it took 5 mins |
| 19:51.15 | sorphin | woopdydoo |
| 19:51.28 | sorphin | i could always reuse the internal flash |
| 19:51.35 | sorphin | if there's more than 1 chip |
| 19:51.39 | sorphin | or even if there's not |
| 19:52.14 | prpplague | file: please refrain from making such statments here |
| 19:52.25 | file | hotel, conference, contract, dispute |
| 19:52.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: but that's ok |
| 19:53.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm not impressed with it, to tell you the honest truth |
| 19:53.59 | CosmicPenguin | But I think thats mainly because my RAID card sucks rocks |
| 19:54.07 | sorphin | what card? |
| 19:54.13 | CosmicPenguin | Promise, I think |
| 19:54.16 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:55.09 | CosmicPenguin | I thought you were down on anything !SCSI |
| 19:55.19 | Wingnut | sorphin: isn't that another fakeraid card? |
| 19:56.16 | sorphin | eh? |
| 19:56.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well |
| 19:56.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: to get 1TB of scsi |
| 19:56.36 | sorphin | will cost a helluva lot more $ than i have |
| 19:56.43 | CosmicPenguin | ahh |
| 19:56.47 | sorphin | and IDE raid blows chunks performance wise |
| 19:56.49 | CosmicPenguin | So you're slummin' then |
| 19:56.56 | sorphin | Wingnut: eh? |
| 19:57.00 | sorphin | fakeraid? |
| 19:57.18 | Wingnut | fakeraid is software aided RAID, its not real RAID |
| 19:57.21 | sorphin | that's actually one of the SATA cards a friend of mine that does SATA recommended |
| 19:57.30 | sorphin | and he's not a dozer |
| 19:57.35 | sorphin | he works for sun |
| 19:57.41 | sorphin | so solaris and linux |
| 19:57.44 | Wingnut | it fools the BIOS into thinking that it's a single drive, or a bootable drive, but doesn't do any of the actual RAID operations |
| 19:57.48 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 19:57.59 | Wingnut | one sec and I'll find the link I have... |
| 19:58.03 | CosmicPenguin | Usually when people say "works for sun" that reduces the effectiveness of their recommentation |
| 19:58.38 | sorphin | uhh |
| 19:58.43 | sorphin | how's that? |
| 19:59.24 | prpplague | ~dothedew CosmicPenguin |
| 19:59.28 | prpplague | dothedew CosmicPenguin |
| 19:59.46 | prpplague | wth |
| 19:59.53 | prpplague | ~guinness CosmicPenguin |
| 19:59.53 | ibot | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to CosmicPenguin |
| 20:00.00 | sorphin | ~cluebat prpplague for acting like a n00b |
| 20:00.00 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps prpplague for acting like a n00b. |
| 20:00.22 | Wingnut | sorphin: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 20:00.27 | prpplague | just wondering why dothedew doesn't work |
| 20:00.41 | prpplague | ibot: dothedew |
| 20:00.41 | ibot | ACTION pours a bubbly caffinated mountain dew and hands it to prpplague |
| 20:00.44 | prpplague | ibot: dothedew CosmicPenguin |
| 20:01.04 | sorphin | prolly not setup for otehrs |
| 20:01.07 | sorphin | others |
| 20:01.21 | sorphin | ~literal dothedew |
| 20:01.21 | ibot | "dothedew" is "<action> pours a bubbly caffinated mountain dew and hands it to $nick" |
| 20:01.30 | sorphin | yep |
| 20:01.31 | prpplague | ~literal guinness |
| 20:01.32 | ibot | "guinness" is "<action> pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to $nick" |
| 20:01.49 | sorphin | ~dothedew prpplague |
| 20:01.57 | sorphin | i dunno then |
| 20:03.01 | sorphin | Wingnut: heh |
| 20:03.31 | Genesis | ++ |
| 20:03.39 | sorphin | Wingnut: well, seeing as most sata controller cards just implictly come w/ it anyways |
| 20:03.52 | sorphin | not like it's costing more |
| 20:04.45 | sorphin | IDE and SATA 200G drives cost less than fscking 73G SCSI |
| 20:04.59 | Wingnut | the page goes on to say that its not worth using the drivers that come with the card to perform the raid functionality |
| 20:05.21 | Wingnut | it's faster to use the Linux LVM / MD on the drives |
| 20:06.14 | sorphin | it' suseless then |
| 20:07.22 | file | ok hotel is happy kinda |
| 20:08.48 | Wingnut | sorphin: this would be a nice card to get: http://tinyurl.com/b4yqo |
| 20:08.53 | sorphin | because SW raid is pointless, because you can't boot off the damn volume, because the kernel has to be loaded before it's bloody supported |
| 20:09.06 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 20:09.16 | CosmicPenguin | you gotta mess with the initramfs stuff |
| 20:09.18 | CosmicPenguin | fun, but not fun enough |
| 20:09.57 | Wingnut | you could always have a slow simple boot drive then load up the raid array |
| 20:10.04 | sorphin | Wingnut: yeah, but wait till action end, it'll go up |
| 20:10.13 | sorphin | Wingnut: that works if you have the room |
| 20:10.36 | sorphin | erm |
| 20:10.36 | sorphin | 4 |
| 20:10.58 | sorphin | which means 4x250G |
| 20:11.17 | Wingnut | what about setting aside 100 - 200mb for boot on each drive? you could mirror the partitions and still boot from them... |
| 20:11.59 | sorphin | Wingnut: taht's the same crap as i have to do on Solaris w/ DiskSuite |
| 20:12.20 | Wingnut | then get a real hardware raid controller |
| 20:12.28 | sorphin | since apparently it is real |
| 20:12.35 | Wingnut | the 3ware cards are pretty slick |
| 20:13.13 | Wingnut | the UTDLUG has a 3ware 5800 in deepdish, it's pretty snappy |
| 20:13.34 | Wingnut | but I don't have access to that box from work |
| 20:13.46 | sorphin | wtf is this dude showing 4 cards? |
| 20:14.03 | sorphin | show the damn card we're buying |
| 20:15.38 | sorphin | hrm |
| 20:15.41 | sorphin | 64bit/66mhz |
| 20:15.49 | sorphin | unless it can also do 33mhz/32bit |
| 20:15.51 | sorphin | i cant' use it |
| 20:16.19 | Wingnut | I believe that card is only 64bit |
| 20:22.39 | sorphin | funny |
| 20:22.44 | sorphin | your 3ware card isn't listed at all |
| 20:23.15 | Wingnut | yeah, it's an older card...8 ATA/133 channels on a 32 bit card |
| 20:23.26 | Wingnut | picked it up for $39.99 plus shipping |
| 20:23.52 | sorphin | 'ah, non sata |
| 20:24.00 | Wingnut | right |
| 20:24.15 | sorphin | 'that's why i abandoned taht route |
| 20:24.20 | sorphin | they were all silicon image, etc |
| 20:24.28 | Wingnut | blech |
| 20:24.30 | sorphin | and even 2 cards, same chipset |
| 20:24.33 | sorphin | varied to much |
| 20:24.36 | sorphin | (the HP chipset) |
| 20:25.11 | sorphin | so if that card does it, and i can find one, hell, i'll use it |
| 20:25.23 | Wingnut | hmm... |
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| 20:26.00 | Wingnut | I think you can pick up a 2 channel 3ware for ~$100 |
| 20:26.07 | sorphin | so it's a 3ware 5800 then? |
| 20:26.19 | Wingnut | at UTDLUG, yes |
| 20:26.28 | Wingnut | or 5600, |
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| 20:26.39 | sorphin | uhh |
| 20:26.43 | sorphin | make up your mind |
| 20:27.27 | file[laptop] | my IRC client crashes randomly |
| 20:27.32 | file[laptop] | on 'da Mac... |
| 20:27.40 | file[laptop] | I think it's because it buffers #asterisk |
| 20:27.41 | sorphin | file[laptop]: XChat has stayed up fine for me |
| 20:27.45 | file[laptop] | and reaches a point where it can't handle it any more |
| 20:28.02 | sorphin | the comment was for wingnut anyways |
| 20:28.37 | Wingnut | one sec...checking |
| 20:28.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:28.55 | sorphin | grr |
| 20:28.57 | sorphin | wtf |
| 20:29.02 | sorphin | it /msg'd |
| 20:29.11 | sorphin | 3WARE 3W-5800 8 PORT IDE ATA RAID CONTROLLER |
| 20:29.13 | sorphin | $49 |
| 20:29.19 | Wingnut | that's probably it |
| 20:29.22 | sorphin | tell me that's true hw raid |
| 20:29.26 | sorphin | and i'm all over it ;) |
| 20:29.26 | Wingnut | it is |
| 20:29.35 | Wingnut | that's what we have |
| 20:29.51 | Wingnut | only does 0, 1, 10 and JBOD tho |
| 20:29.57 | Wingnut | the 6800 does 5 also |
| 20:30.16 | sorphin | just striping isn't worth the risk |
| 20:30.19 | sorphin | although |
| 20:30.23 | sorphin | my 200G baracudda |
| 20:30.29 | sorphin | hasn't even flinched since i bought it |
| 20:30.40 | sorphin | whereash my maxtors (60G), clunk clunk |
| 20:30.49 | sorphin | and my WD has been solid too |
| 20:31.57 | sorphin | no 6800s on ebay |
| 20:31.59 | sorphin | oh well |
| 20:32.16 | sorphin | what do you do then? 10? |
| 20:33.28 | sorphin | btw, this guy has 8 5800's available |
| 20:33.30 | Wingnut | just 1, it's for storage of user home directories and some extra storage space |
| 20:33.38 | sorphin | heh, shipping is $12 |
| 20:33.40 | Wingnut | we only use free hardware |
| 20:33.47 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:33.54 | sorphin | well, i don't get free hw |
| 20:34.25 | chouimat | ARRRRGGGGGLLLLL!!!! |
| 20:35.03 | sorphin | chouimat: what now frenchy? |
| 20:35.25 | chouimat | sorphin: just writing the most boring thing |
| 20:35.32 | sorphin | KDE docs? ;) |
| 20:35.38 | chouimat | sorphin: a business plan |
| 20:35.41 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:35.57 | sorphin | Wingnut: heh, just mirroring.. that's too much of a waste for me |
| 20:36.15 | chouimat | sorphin: tired of searching a job ... so why not create one instead ... and get money from the Canadian gov ;) |
| 20:36.21 | Wingnut | sorphin: that 7810 that closes in an hour supports RAID 5 |
| 20:36.33 | Wingnut | its $128.5 now |
| 20:37.00 | sorphin | heh, here's a place that has the 5800 for $44 |
| 20:37.08 | sorphin | chouimat: ah |
| 20:37.22 | sorphin | chouimat: that's the spirit, if i didn't know better, i'd think you were an american ;) |
| 20:37.30 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:37.31 | chouimat | sorphin: lol |
| 20:37.49 | sorphin | Wingnut: dunno if i have that much atm, heh, just bought 2 green laser pointers from compgeeks |
| 20:38.13 | Wingnut | nerd ;) |
| 20:38.25 | sorphin | '$41 |
| 20:38.42 | sorphin | and it's geek |
| 20:38.51 | sorphin | nerd implies good studiously |
| 20:39.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:47.14 | TheCollector | agreed |
| 20:51.19 | sorphin | Wingnut: heh, guy here at work just brough up a good point |
| 20:52.01 | sorphin | how the hell can HW IDE raid really do well, since the whole point of raid it to take the load off the cpu (which scsi does), but ide there's always a hit |
| 20:52.02 | Wingnut | ? |
| 20:52.58 | Wingnut | AFAIK, the processor can queue commands to a single array and allow the processor on the HBA to handle the drive control |
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| 20:54.15 | Wingnut | plus, the virtual -> physical translation, checksumming, and other tasks depending on RAID level can be handled by the HBA |
| 20:54.53 | Wingnut | so it will still look like 1 IDE drive, and there will still be some amount of work done by the processor, but you'll be able to get more data down the ID Ebus |
| 20:55.13 | sorphin | true |
| 20:55.38 | sorphin | he's trying to understand why people go spend exorbent amounts of $ then for scsi raid, if ide raid hw can do it |
| 20:56.09 | Wingnut | 133 Mb/s versus 320 Mb/s |
| 20:56.18 | Wingnut | speed costs money |
| 20:56.52 | sorphin | well |
| 20:56.59 | Wingnut | of course, you could always setup RAID 50 across 4 controllers... |
| 20:57.01 | sorphin | not every scsi raid has Ultra320 |
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| 21:00.36 | sorphin | anyways |
| 21:00.38 | sorphin | i'm going home |
| 21:00.43 | sorphin | Wingnut: tnx for the info |
| 21:01.00 | Wingnut | np |
| 21:05.39 | MonMotha | Wingnut: the ability to stack 15 drives on a single channel (and cable) is sometimes handy |
| 21:05.48 | MonMotha | though rarely worth the premium for SCSI vs. IDE |
| 21:08.16 | Wingnut | MonMotha: there is also the advantage of using external enclosures and (of course) longer cable lengths |
| 21:11.16 | CosmicPenguin | You would think that this schedule software would notice that the resources in question are taken, and move the task accordingly |
| 21:11.46 | MonMotha | Wingnut: yup, again, often not worth the premium, but it is a factor |
| 21:11.48 | Wingnut | hehe...not if it's written by management |
| 21:19.52 | prpplague | i just can't understand why researchers are being treated like $%@$%@# and criminalized |
| 21:22.10 | MonMotha | prpplague: it's tradition |
| 21:22.34 | MonMotha | if it was good enough for Galeleio, it's good enough for the modern day |
| 21:24.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: good point |
| 21:27.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:28.20 | sorphin | prpplague: if you meant the whole cisco thing |
| 21:28.46 | sorphin | it's a federal law violation.. blame the feds.. they already seized all this stuff, and now DHS is involved |
| 21:28.51 | sorphin | that dude's toast |
| 21:29.07 | sorphin | the best thing is don't do the right thing and don't point out vulnerabilities |
| 21:32.56 | CosmicPenguin | Or do it anoymously |
| 21:33.30 | sorphin | that too |
| 21:33.34 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder what would have happened if he had told the feds that Cisco was stone wallling? |
| 21:34.00 | MonMotha | sorphin: which is sad, because if someone doesn't point them out, *eventually* someone with slightly more sinister motives (like, oh, maybe taking down the internet for a day) will point them out for you, in a slightly different way |
| 21:34.27 | MonMotha | that said, this guy didn't exactly seem to be into the whole "responsible disclosure" thing |
| 21:34.39 | Genesis | @+ |
| 21:38.42 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.brandonbooks.com/tohellorbarbados.html |
| 21:40.00 | sorphin | heh |
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