| 00:00.10 | GPSFan | jbevren: I got it to load it's kernel from tftp already, couldn't find init but it's some progress. |
| 00:03.09 | sorphin | was just lame ass hyperterm |
| 00:03.12 | sorphin | teraterm works |
| 00:03.26 | sorphin | gpsfan: |
| 00:03.27 | sorphin | ============================================ |
| 00:03.27 | sorphin | A3000 SBC DIAGNOSTICS (Version 0.7) = |
| 00:03.27 | sorphin | Copyright (1996-2002) GDA Technologies Inc.= |
| 00:03.27 | sorphin | ============================================ |
| 00:03.28 | sorphin | SDRAM Test Selected. |
| 00:03.30 | sorphin | :) |
| 00:04.09 | sorphin | ooh diagmode |
| 00:04.12 | sorphin | flash test |
| 00:04.20 | sorphin | sdram test (prolly same as that 1st test) |
| 00:04.23 | sorphin | pci test |
| 00:04.25 | sorphin | ethernet test |
| 00:04.28 | sorphin | i2c test |
| 00:04.48 | GPSFan | bbl dinner.. |
| 00:04.51 | sorphin | k |
| 00:05.13 | sorphin | wow |
| 00:05.23 | sorphin | ppcboot has a lot of options in the menu |
| 00:05.56 | MonMotha | "USDA Selected. FDIC Approved. Checklist completed...SOB" |
| 00:06.04 | sorphin | ? |
| 00:06.14 | MonMotha | you obviously haven't played enough starcraft |
| 00:06.17 | sorphin | never |
| 00:08.45 | sorphin | wow that took a while |
| 00:09.27 | sorphin | a true reflection of how fake bogomips are |
| 00:09.36 | sorphin | Calibrating delay loop... 199.88 BogoMIPS |
| 00:09.41 | sorphin | on a 300mhz ppc |
| 00:10.10 | file[laptop] | any PPPoE folks here? I have an idea... |
| 00:10.16 | sorphin | what about it? |
| 00:10.29 | file[laptop] | it's evil, very very evil |
| 00:10.39 | sorphin | yeah, so are you |
| 00:10.41 | sorphin | what's your point |
| 00:11.32 | file[laptop] | nah nevermind too complex |
| 00:13.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:13.18 | file[laptop] | involved multiple PPPoE sessions, with IPs being assigned internally |
| 00:13.49 | sorphin | ah |
| 00:17.08 | *** join/#elinux chouimat (n=dieu@kde/developer/chouinard) |
| 00:17.16 | sorphin | clear |
| 00:17.18 | sorphin | grr |
| 00:17.22 | file[laptop] | he's dead Jim! |
| 00:18.02 | *** join/#elinux ljp (n=lpotter@203.94.178.46) |
| 00:23.43 | sorphin | trying to boot now w/o scrServer, etc set |
| 00:24.39 | sorphin | does make it stop trying to do the ftp crap |
| 00:25.21 | sorphin | woow |
| 00:25.24 | sorphin | login prompt |
| 00:25.34 | sorphin | A3000 login: |
| 00:31.30 | file | hrm WA840G is cheaper, and smaller |
| 00:38.35 | sorphin | had that too |
| 00:38.59 | sorphin | actually i correct myself, my AP is that, i HAD 2 wr850G's |
| 00:39.20 | sorphin | decided not to use them after getting the wrt54g's for $39.99 |
| 00:47.15 | file | still have them? |
| 00:47.30 | sorphin | no, took them back since i got the wrt's |
| 00:47.34 | file | ah |
| 00:47.34 | sorphin | needed the cash |
| 00:47.39 | sorphin | the wrt's are better |
| 00:47.50 | sorphin | easier supported, rather |
| 00:47.53 | file | not gonna be my main router :) |
| 00:47.59 | sorphin | neither are these |
| 00:48.05 | sorphin | my wrt's are hack toys |
| 00:48.10 | sorphin | the WA is the main AP |
| 01:09.45 | *** join/#elinux noclouds (n=mhfan@60.166.47.112) |
| 01:16.08 | MonMotha | why oh why must all consumer video hardware suck these days? |
| 01:16.28 | MonMotha | you'd think a $300 video card could have acceptably low enough levels of clock skew that my LCD wouldn't freak out |
| 01:18.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:21.53 | MonMotha | my LCD has a native vertical refresh of 75Hz, but I'm stuckin 60 right now for some strange reason |
| 01:22.01 | MonMotha | probably something to do with the fact that I'm using both outputs of my video card |
| 01:22.08 | MonMotha | POS consumer video hardware |
| 01:22.29 | MonMotha | unfortunately, the supposed "pro" gear frequently is of no use for consumer applications, even 2d desktop work |
| 01:22.34 | MonMotha | and this refresh beating is hurting my eyes |
| 01:25.59 | *** join/#elinux MonMotha (n=monmotha@cpe-71-65-34-156.indy.res.rr.com) |
| 01:35.40 | DeltaF | I assume you tried modifying the sync rate? |
| 01:51.09 | *** part/#elinux DeltaF (n=Delta_Fa@cpe-66-67-213-237.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 01:57.35 | sorphin | ha |
| 01:57.37 | sorphin | "Now there's one less reason for your friends to switch to Gentoo!" |
| 01:58.02 | chouimat | ? |
| 01:59.12 | sorphin | chouimat: /., talking about Gentoo 2005.1, Experimental Live CD Released |
| 01:59.33 | chouimat | sorphin: ok |
| 01:59.34 | sorphin | it's in the actual article text |
| 02:00.20 | chouimat | sorphin: I just have one computer running gentoo out of 6 now ... it started to get more and more unstable with each new release |
| 02:00.33 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:00.46 | *** join/#elinux we0 (n=weo@p5499E961.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:01.04 | chouimat | sorphin: opensuse beta1 is more stable so far |
| 02:01.58 | *** join/#elinux GPSFan (n=Ken@65.121.49.208) |
| 02:02.03 | sorphin | GPSFan: re |
| 02:02.08 | chouimat | I switched my ibook to mandriva 2005LE ppc but I screwed it when I tried to update it to cooker ... now I will only recompile KDE |
| 02:02.22 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:02.42 | GPSFan | sorphin: how goes jack? |
| 02:03.20 | sorphin | he's runnin on 2 machines, let's see if the P4 2.6 gets done before the PIII 550 ;) |
| 02:03.50 | sorphin | it took the PIII 41 mins to crack my old root password, which wasn't that complex |
| 02:04.33 | GPSFan | got it, cognio |
| 02:05.43 | GPSFan | I went off and got it and ran it on my 2.2G p4, it works. |
| 02:05.52 | GPSFan | sort of obvious too ;>) |
| 02:05.55 | sorphin | sweet |
| 02:05.56 | file[laptop] | teh password be cognio? 'tsk 'tsk |
| 02:06.04 | sorphin | GPSFan: btw |
| 02:06.06 | sorphin | Artis>setenv scrServer |
| 02:06.06 | sorphin | Artis>setenv scrMethod |
| 02:06.06 | sorphin | Artis>bootm ffe00000 ff800000 |
| 02:06.09 | sorphin | taht's what i do |
| 02:06.20 | sorphin | GPSFan: how long did john take? |
| 02:07.08 | sorphin | the above bypasses and goes to the login eventually |
| 02:07.14 | GPSFan | I ran 1.6 with a nice of -10 and it took 29 min, 1.6.38 nice 0 took 42 min. |
| 02:07.51 | GPSFan | sorphin after the 2 setenv's all you need is boot |
| 02:08.07 | GPSFan | just did it.. |
| 02:08.18 | sorphin | why don't you need the bootm addr addr ? |
| 02:09.20 | sorphin | yay |
| 02:09.32 | sorphin | 'no more secrets' |
| 02:09.39 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 02:12.10 | sorphin | GPSFan: so waht's next? heh |
| 02:12.15 | GPSFan | sor don't know why just boot works after the setenv's I just typed it by mistake once and it booted |
| 02:13.14 | GPSFan | mine boots up, dhcp's an address etc, can ping out to the net, but won't resolve www.cisco.com. resolv.conf is set properly too. |
| 02:13.24 | sorphin | hmm |
| 02:13.33 | sorphin | lemme check |
| 02:14.50 | sorphin | uh |
| 02:15.01 | GPSFan | yours works? |
| 02:15.04 | sorphin | so yours doesn't say: |
| 02:15.05 | sorphin | domain sj.broadcom.com |
| 02:15.06 | sorphin | search sj.broadcom.com broadcom.com |
| 02:15.06 | sorphin | nameserver 10.16.64.11 |
| 02:15.06 | sorphin | nameserver 10.16.64.12 |
| 02:15.08 | sorphin | ? |
| 02:15.09 | sorphin | ;) |
| 02:15.35 | GPSFan | no, mine says root@A3000:/etc# cat resolv.conf |
| 02:15.36 | GPSFan | nameserver 65.114.238.2 |
| 02:15.36 | GPSFan | nameserver 65.114.238.3 |
| 02:15.50 | GPSFan | which is right for my network. |
| 02:15.59 | GPSFan | and what all my other machines have |
| 02:16.55 | sorphin | uh |
| 02:16.59 | sorphin | and how're trying to look up? |
| 02:17.01 | sorphin | there's no nslookup |
| 02:17.03 | sorphin | no traceroute |
| 02:17.19 | GPSFan | ping www.cisco.com |
| 02:17.23 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:17.38 | GPSFan | it says unknown host |
| 02:17.54 | sorphin | yep |
| 02:18.44 | GPSFan | I can ping it by ip address (198.133.219.25) |
| 02:18.47 | sorphin | yep |
| 02:18.51 | sorphin | it's just the resolver |
| 02:18.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:18.58 | sorphin | check out /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:19.02 | sorphin | it thinks it's a sandpoint |
| 02:21.53 | sorphin | GPSFan: from the contents of this image, these were wiped and reflashed, because there's no sign of any access point type code |
| 02:23.59 | sorphin | wonder what pci cards you can get away w/ sticking in here besides wireless |
| 02:24.07 | GPSFan | ok, well I was guessing anyway when I saw it trying to connect to some ftp server and when the artis password didn't work. |
| 02:25.05 | GPSFan | how about an pci ide card, or a usb2 card? |
| 02:26.36 | sorphin | got usb |
| 02:26.39 | sorphin | got firewire |
| 02:26.42 | sorphin | don't have pci ide |
| 02:27.16 | sorphin | you? |
| 02:29.22 | GPSFan | I have a 3.3v 1394 card, a 3.3v video card, a 3.3v ethernet card, thought I had a usb2 one, but can't find it. |
| 02:30.04 | sorphin | err |
| 02:30.10 | sorphin | won't go into the slot proper |
| 02:30.11 | GPSFan | probably need kernel modules |
| 02:30.24 | sorphin | the bootmonitor should show it in the pci list tho |
| 02:31.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:31.10 | sorphin | GPSFan: feel the 'drive bay' |
| 02:31.13 | sorphin | it's hot |
| 02:31.26 | sorphin | they have 2 somethings tied to 12v and 5v |
| 02:32.03 | sorphin | i think taht's the holdup |
| 02:33.15 | sorphin | yep |
| 02:33.16 | sorphin | that was it |
| 02:33.19 | sorphin | the card fits fine |
| 02:33.25 | file | didn't explode? |
| 02:33.27 | sorphin | the tab at the bottom is too long for this case |
| 02:33.37 | sorphin | file: powering up nwo :P |
| 02:34.18 | file | great |
| 02:34.55 | sorphin | GPSFan: i get no power indication LED wise in the case or on the board btw |
| 02:34.56 | GPSFan | doesn't power up with my 1394 card. |
| 02:35.10 | sorphin | mine boots w/ the usb |
| 02:35.31 | sorphin | the monitor sees it |
| 02:35.47 | sorphin | lemme boot the kernel see if the pci listing shows it (it should even w/o a driver) |
| 02:35.52 | sorphin | it just won't know what to do w/ it |
| 02:36.33 | sorphin | GPSFan: does yours pause around the bogomips calc? |
| 02:36.37 | sorphin | wow |
| 02:36.40 | sorphin | this time it didn't |
| 02:37.14 | sorphin | heh, pci listing is longer now |
| 02:37.39 | GPSFan | it sees my video card |
| 02:38.01 | sorphin | i should try my firewire card next |
| 02:38.12 | sorphin | yeah, but can it DO anything w/ the videocard? |
| 02:38.17 | sorphin | if it can w/ that and usb |
| 02:38.27 | sorphin | you could technically use a usb keyboard and video ;) |
| 02:40.15 | GPSFan | yep, and with usb2 a reasonable hdd interface |
| 02:50.06 | GPSFan | I see why the cards don't fit, the pci connector isn't in the right place wrt the mini-ATX slots. ;>p |
| 02:51.15 | GPSFan | doesn't like my usb2 card, what kind is yours? |
| 02:55.28 | sorphin | IO Gear |
| 02:55.31 | sorphin | NEC chipset |
| 02:55.56 | sorphin | GPSFan: doesn't show up in 'cat /proc/pci' ? |
| 02:56.06 | sorphin | nor in pcilist in the monitor? |
| 02:56.28 | GPSFan | ah, mine is via. my video shows up in the monitor debug menu |
| 02:57.15 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:57.34 | sorphin | heh, can't find where my firewire ran off to |
| 02:57.43 | *** join/#elinux markl (i=mark@dsl093-225-013.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 02:58.35 | sorphin | this videocard won't fit |
| 02:58.45 | sorphin | doesn't have both keys nor the front key, only the back |
| 02:58.55 | GPSFan | 5v acrd then |
| 02:59.04 | GPSFan | s/acrd/card |
| 02:59.17 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:59.20 | sorphin | both are 5v |
| 02:59.35 | sorphin | usb is universal |
| 03:00.08 | GPSFan | mine too, c'ept my box won't power up with it or the 1394 card. |
| 03:01.21 | sorphin | my pci pcmcia adapter is universal |
| 03:01.23 | sorphin | ;) |
| 03:01.32 | sorphin | and i have ATA pcmcia flash cards |
| 03:01.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:02.41 | GPSFan | that would be cool, but would need pcmcia_cs |
| 03:02.59 | sorphin | and pcmcia hdds (2G) |
| 03:04.21 | sorphin | oh well, can't find the 1394 |
| 03:04.31 | sorphin | and i need it for a diff box, heh |
| 03:04.41 | sorphin | most of my cards all seem to be 5v |
| 03:04.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:06.21 | *** join/#elinux DeltaF (n=Delta_Fa@cpe-66-67-213-237.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 03:07.24 | sorphin | GPSFan: btw, it appears the i2c bus is poking at the sdram's eeprom, like you can normally on a peecee |
| 03:08.16 | GPSFan | wonder if it comes out to a header? |
| 03:09.12 | GPSFan | mine doesn't pause at the bogomips, but I think it did once, cpuinfo shows 200.0 bogomips |
| 03:11.08 | sorphin | GPSFan: it did pause till i had the network hooked up |
| 03:11.12 | sorphin | then it suddenly stopped pausing |
| 03:11.47 | sorphin | tho it didn't pause when i boot'd and not bootm'd |
| 03:11.58 | sorphin | i spoke too soon |
| 03:12.15 | sorphin | didn't take as long this time tho |
| 03:12.30 | sorphin | mine says 199.88 bogo |
| 03:12.40 | jbevren | 200bogos eh? |
| 03:12.48 | sorphin | and? |
| 03:12.53 | jbevren | just curious |
| 03:12.53 | sorphin | bogomips means squat |
| 03:12.57 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:13.00 | jbevren | busyloop timer |
| 03:13.18 | jbevren | I know bogos are BS. :) I own a PARISC box |
| 03:13.29 | sorphin | jbevren: fyi |
| 03:13.31 | sorphin | cpu : 82xx |
| 03:13.31 | sorphin | revision : 16.20 (pvr 8081 1014) |
| 03:13.31 | sorphin | bogomips : 199.88 |
| 03:13.31 | sorphin | vendor : Motorola SPS |
| 03:13.31 | sorphin | machine : Sandpoint |
| 03:13.32 | sorphin | processor : PVID: 0x80811014, vendor: Motorola |
| 03:13.51 | jbevren | so theyre using the sandpoint kernel? |
| 03:13.55 | sorphin | prolly not much kernel modding if any |
| 03:14.12 | sorphin | just the adjustments for the 8245 |
| 03:14.14 | sorphin | prolly |
| 03:14.21 | jbevren | I'm getting better at frying these noodles :) |
| 03:14.25 | sorphin | cool |
| 03:14.57 | sorphin | uses OpenPIC whatever that is |
| 03:15.06 | jbevren | ah |
| 03:15.24 | GPSFan | wonder what the resolv issue is? |
| 03:15.31 | jbevren | resolv? |
| 03:15.35 | sorphin | lemme guess, you found out? |
| 03:15.44 | GPSFan | nope, not yet.. |
| 03:15.52 | sorphin | jbevren: yeah, no dns resolving |
| 03:16.00 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:16.01 | GPSFan | jbevren: dns resolution doesn't seem to work. |
| 03:16.04 | sorphin | even with a valid resolv.conf |
| 03:16.08 | sorphin | GPSFan: however |
| 03:16.11 | sorphin | i will note |
| 03:16.16 | sorphin | the series 1 tivos |
| 03:16.19 | sorphin | which were ppc |
| 03:16.22 | sorphin | had this same issue |
| 03:16.31 | sorphin | exactly the same |
| 03:16.34 | GPSFan | and the fix was? |
| 03:16.38 | sorphin | there wasn't |
| 03:17.05 | sorphin | it's some nss issue |
| 03:17.13 | jbevren | check nsswitch.conf? |
| 03:17.17 | GPSFan | iirc my mcp750 worked, kernel 2.4.25 |
| 03:17.25 | sorphin | hmm |
| 03:17.28 | sorphin | GPSFan: again |
| 03:17.31 | sorphin | it's some nss issue <---- |
| 03:17.42 | sorphin | or atleast it was w/ the tivo |
| 03:17.57 | sorphin | ah ha |
| 03:18.05 | sorphin | libnss_compat |
| 03:18.07 | sorphin | libnss_files |
| 03:18.10 | sorphin | libnss_nis |
| 03:18.13 | sorphin | libnss_nisplus |
| 03:18.17 | sorphin | no dns |
| 03:18.23 | GPSFan | nsswitch is very different from my desktop. |
| 03:18.30 | sorphin | GPSFan: look above |
| 03:18.33 | sorphin | missing library? |
| 03:18.33 | jbevren | chaching |
| 03:18.42 | jbevren | have you tried it with a uClib chroot? |
| 03:18.53 | sorphin | we're using the stock ramdisks |
| 03:18.58 | jbevren | nod. |
| 03:19.03 | GPSFan | jbevren: not yet, need to get net booting working first |
| 03:19.17 | sorphin | GPSFan: we need libnss_dns |
| 03:19.28 | sorphin | that one's missing |
| 03:19.30 | jbevren | is the dns lib on the cd? |
| 03:19.39 | sorphin | GPSFan: try using an /etc/hosts file |
| 03:19.45 | sorphin | see if that works |
| 03:20.34 | sorphin | hmm |
| 03:20.38 | sorphin | already some hosts in /etc/hosts |
| 03:20.44 | sorphin | area51 |
| 03:20.46 | sorphin | borg |
| 03:20.52 | sorphin | openmotif |
| 03:20.58 | sorphin | xemacs.. ewww |
| 03:21.23 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.42 | sorphin | root@A3000:/lib# ping www.cisco.com |
| 03:21.42 | sorphin | PING www.cisco.com (198.133.219.25): 56 data bytes |
| 03:21.42 | sorphin | 64 bytes from 198.133.219.25: icmp_seq=0 ttl=112 time=73.0 ms |
| 03:21.43 | sorphin | 64 bytes from 198.133.219.25: icmp_seq=1 ttl=112 time=61.6 ms |
| 03:21.52 | sorphin | it's the missing libnss |
| 03:21.56 | sorphin | i bet ya |
| 03:22.09 | sorphin | cuz /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 03:22.11 | sorphin | is normal |
| 03:22.22 | sorphin | files for everythign except hosts, which is files and dns |
| 03:23.33 | sorphin | funny that this thing has a jumper for registered or non registered memory |
| 03:24.20 | GPSFan | sorphin: think you are right, my MCP750 system used uclibc and busybox. |
| 03:24.35 | sorphin | and |
| 03:24.37 | sorphin | on the tivo |
| 03:24.40 | sorphin | it was a borked libc |
| 03:24.47 | sorphin | but you couldn't use a newer one |
| 03:24.58 | sorphin | because of their programs |
| 03:26.23 | sorphin | GPSFan: we need mtd compiled in too |
| 03:26.26 | sorphin | no /proc/mtd |
| 03:27.05 | jbevren | sorphin: you can config uclibc to put its clibs in another dir |
| 03:27.12 | jbevren | I discovered this by accident on my zipit :) |
| 03:27.15 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:27.25 | sorphin | well, this was way back in the day |
| 03:27.26 | jbevren | uclibc was configured for /usr/local, and I couldnt launch my stuff on the zipit heh |
| 03:27.29 | jbevren | yeah |
| 03:27.35 | sorphin | before i knew #elinux existed |
| 03:27.44 | sorphin | before there was a mips based tivo ;p |
| 03:27.45 | jbevren | strings showed the guilty line (/usr/local/lib/ld-linux.so) |
| 03:27.59 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:28.02 | sorphin | GPSFan: oh |
| 03:28.05 | sorphin | GPSFan: you video card |
| 03:28.05 | file[laptop] | anyone have a WDS capable 802.11g router they'd sell/give me? :P |
| 03:28.21 | sorphin | GPSFan: did coninfo show anything because of it? |
| 03:28.23 | jbevren | DeltaF: theyre a challenge |
| 03:28.35 | jbevren | I havent done much more than put the AGT firmware on |
| 03:28.37 | DeltaF | file: Get a wrt54g. |
| 03:28.45 | sorphin | file[laptop]: the WA840 does WDS :P |
| 03:28.48 | DeltaF | OpenWRT and change some settings and you're done. |
| 03:28.55 | jbevren | I'm running screen -x on it atm to get #elinux on the zipit as well as my console |
| 03:29.03 | sorphin | DeltaF: he knows, calm down |
| 03:29.07 | file[laptop] | sorphin: I know |
| 03:29.13 | file[laptop] | but I thought I'd come here first and see if anybody had anything |
| 03:29.25 | file[laptop] | DeltaF: and I already have a WRT54GS, I just want something cheap to expand my network |
| 03:29.30 | sorphin | nothing that you couldn't get yourself |
| 03:29.35 | sorphin | for $20 ;) |
| 03:29.47 | DeltaF | $40 is cheap, even to me. :) |
| 03:30.01 | sorphin | DeltaF: they're only $40 after rebates |
| 03:30.14 | jbevren | system type : Broadcom BCM947XX |
| 03:30.15 | jbevren | cpu model : BCM3302 V0.7 |
| 03:30.17 | jbevren | :P |
| 03:30.19 | jbevren | anyway |
| 03:30.42 | jbevren | sorphin: mine are fun, no more said. :) |
| 03:30.45 | sorphin | . o O ( Zip it about the ZipIt) ;) |
| 03:31.01 | jbevren | the ppc box will be more cool |
| 03:31.03 | sorphin | jbevren: nod.. i don't see any usefulness of it to me |
| 03:31.07 | GPSFan | sorphin: didn't boot it all the way with the video, |
| 03:31.07 | jbevren | Ive got a matrox millenium lined up for it |
| 03:31.08 | sorphin | the Z thing |
| 03:31.22 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:31.30 | sorphin | jbevn: a friend in the uk who's ending me more sparc memory is sending a matrox 400 |
| 03:31.31 | jbevren | be nice to pull a two-kernel monte with it |
| 03:31.34 | sorphin | GPSFan: it's in the monitor |
| 03:31.35 | jbevren | use kernel 1 to set up the fb |
| 03:31.47 | jbevren | sorphin: pci? :) |
| 03:31.54 | DeltaF | sorphin: What do you have that competes with the ZipIt in price, and wifi? |
| 03:31.54 | sorphin | jbevren: think so |
| 03:31.59 | jbevren | nice :) |
| 03:32.09 | sorphin | jbevren: he was gonna bin it |
| 03:32.14 | jbevren | DeltaF: its not worth discussing with him ;-) |
| 03:32.27 | sorphin | jbevren: hell, my nintendo ds is more interesting :P |
| 03:32.27 | GPSFan | sorphin: didn't know about that, next time I put the vid card in I'll poke around a bit more. |
| 03:32.39 | jbevren | sorphin: indeed. I however dont own one :) |
| 03:32.42 | DeltaF | thanks for the warning. |
| 03:32.51 | sorphin | a wireless im device |
| 03:32.56 | sorphin | gee, my cell phone can do that :P |
| 03:32.57 | jbevren | what sort of vid card? |
| 03:33.05 | DeltaF | your cell phone does wifi? |
| 03:33.14 | DeltaF | treo? |
| 03:33.27 | GPSFan | jbevren: ati rage something |
| 03:33.31 | jbevren | ah. |
| 03:33.36 | sorphin | there |
| 03:33.39 | sorphin | quiet again |
| 03:33.39 | jbevren | I have a rage 3d somewhere, but I think its agp :( |
| 03:33.52 | sorphin | jbevren: all my pci video is 5v |
| 03:33.54 | sorphin | :( |
| 03:34.06 | jbevren | ah, right.. 3.3v slots? |
| 03:34.09 | sorphin | yes |
| 03:34.14 | jbevren | thats gonna be a pita |
| 03:34.16 | sorphin | key in the front |
| 03:34.19 | jbevren | I think my millenium is 3.3v |
| 03:34.24 | jbevren | or at least, ive seen a 3.3v regulator on it |
| 03:34.30 | sorphin | prolly is |
| 03:34.39 | GPSFan | I guess the real next step is to get a cross environment configured, or get net booting working. |
| 03:34.41 | sorphin | or is a universal |
| 03:34.43 | sorphin | and adapts |
| 03:34.48 | jbevren | GPSFan: buildroot :) |
| 03:34.51 | sorphin | eww |
| 03:34.56 | jbevren | I cheat :) |
| 03:35.01 | GPSFan | sorphin: my favorite... |
| 03:35.07 | jbevren | I used it to get my (other cpu) build env |
| 03:35.27 | sorphin | as for netbooting |
| 03:35.31 | sorphin | GPSFan: had probs? |
| 03:35.35 | jbevren | tftp? |
| 03:35.38 | sorphin | yes |
| 03:35.42 | GPSFan | sorphin: there is a toolchain on the cd. |
| 03:35.50 | sorphin | GPSFan: i know |
| 03:35.54 | sorphin | and i actually don't need it |
| 03:36.08 | sorphin | from the tivo crap |
| 03:36.12 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:36.13 | DeltaF | Dare I ask for opinions on the kurobox/linkstation? :) |
| 03:36.14 | GPSFan | i did get the kernel image from the cd to load and start from tftp. |
| 03:36.15 | sorphin | same gcc and everything |
| 03:36.32 | jbevren | I have x86 (obviously), mips (2.95 and 3.x), arm, and SH |
| 03:36.53 | sorphin | don't have SH but should since i have a dreamcast |
| 03:37.01 | jbevren | my first cross-TC. its just a kernel builder though |
| 03:37.10 | jbevren | sorphin: exactly |
| 03:37.17 | jbevren | I was going to use my DC as a 1wire router at one point |
| 03:37.26 | jbevren | (vlan, using my switch as an aggregator) |
| 03:37.33 | jbevren | I never finished it :) |
| 03:37.41 | sorphin | jbevren: i did use buildroot for arm tho (since the only arm i did was the tux and the zaurus) |
| 03:37.56 | jbevren | 'the tux'? |
| 03:38.01 | sorphin | tuxscreen |
| 03:38.07 | jbevren | ahh |
| 03:38.10 | sorphin | the original origins of this channel ;) |
| 03:38.16 | sorphin | when it was #tuxscreen |
| 03:38.18 | sorphin | :) |
| 03:38.37 | jbevren | aww its cute |
| 03:38.42 | jbevren | Ive never seen one before to be honest :) |
| 03:39.13 | jbevren | does the ppc have a standard ide header? |
| 03:39.21 | jbevren | I'll probably toss an ide disk on it to start |
| 03:39.26 | sorphin | jbevren: http://www.tuxscreen.net/ |
| 03:39.28 | sorphin | no |
| 03:39.28 | jbevren | go scsi when I get more drivers |
| 03:39.29 | sorphin | it doens't |
| 03:39.32 | jbevren | hmm |
| 03:39.37 | jbevren | guess I'm starting off scsi :) |
| 03:39.42 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:39.47 | sorphin | there's a possible catch to that |
| 03:39.53 | jbevren | how so? |
| 03:40.02 | jbevren | I could load the kernel from flash, and rootfs on scsi |
| 03:40.14 | sorphin | same thing i dealt with putting a pci scsi card in my Ultra5 |
| 03:40.24 | sorphin | remember |
| 03:40.29 | sorphin | the SCSI Bios |
| 03:40.31 | sorphin | will NOT work |
| 03:40.38 | jbevren | right |
| 03:40.47 | jbevren | I know about crossplatform hardware usage :) |
| 03:40.50 | sorphin | so the driver *has* to do everything to initialize |
| 03:40.52 | sorphin | :) |
| 03:40.57 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:40.59 | jbevren | that's why I noted the kernel will load from flash |
| 03:41.05 | jbevren | and the adaptec driver works on hppa ;-) |
| 03:41.32 | sorphin | wtf is hppa? |
| 03:41.37 | sorphin | oh yeah |
| 03:41.38 | jbevren | not that I dont appreciate your hints, but I'm also aware of that with my matrox |
| 03:41.39 | sorphin | the PARisc |
| 03:41.41 | jbevren | parisc <- hppa |
| 03:41.50 | sorphin | we have one at work |
| 03:41.55 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.56 | jbevren | HP j5600 (doublewide, 2x 550mhz PA8600) |
| 03:42.06 | jbevren | onboard is an lsilogic |
| 03:42.16 | jbevren | two of em in fact |
| 03:42.16 | sorphin | diff? |
| 03:42.19 | sorphin | or SE |
| 03:42.21 | jbevren | u160 |
| 03:42.32 | sorphin | and... |
| 03:42.37 | jbevren | a second controller takes care of the narrow bus |
| 03:42.46 | jbevren | (same IC, its a dual channel model) |
| 03:42.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:42.57 | sorphin | did you look at the tux url? ;) |
| 03:42.57 | jbevren | the dvd reader is ide :-X |
| 03:43.03 | jbevren | yeah, I googled to there ;-) |
| 03:43.09 | sorphin | ehhe |
| 03:43.15 | jbevren | looks like a box I'd like to get heh |
| 03:43.24 | jbevren | how well does softphone work? |
| 03:43.25 | sorphin | so you can handle both |
| 03:43.35 | sorphin | eh? |
| 03:43.44 | jbevren | linphone? |
| 03:43.47 | sorphin | never used it |
| 03:43.49 | jbevren | http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/TUX_SIP/tux_sip.html |
| 03:43.50 | jbevren | :) |
| 03:43.55 | jbevren | I have a VOIP network at home ;-) |
| 03:43.57 | sorphin | there's other wise |
| 03:43.59 | sorphin | ways |
| 03:44.02 | sorphin | ditto |
| 03:44.04 | file[laptop] | looksee it's my 7960 |
| 03:44.09 | sorphin | that's why i had the wireless for the tux |
| 03:44.11 | sorphin | and the hdd |
| 03:44.17 | sorphin | file[laptop]: and my 7940 :P |
| 03:44.31 | sorphin | not worth that much :p |
| 03:44.39 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 03:44.44 | sorphin | not when asterisk can do that grunt work |
| 03:45.38 | sorphin | it's been lingering all day |
| 03:46.44 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:46.47 | jbevren | I hate those |
| 03:46.52 | sorphin | the ppc runs telnet and ftp and small services |
| 03:46.56 | DeltaF | Drink coffee. ;) |
| 03:46.57 | sorphin | discard |
| 03:46.57 | sorphin | time |
| 03:47.00 | sorphin | daytime |
| 03:47.04 | sorphin | ick |
| 03:47.06 | jbevren | ah |
| 03:47.14 | jbevren | you have to modify the TS to allow it to use the handset from linux? |
| 03:47.25 | sorphin | uh |
| 03:47.28 | sorphin | no |
| 03:47.46 | sorphin | not otehr than converting it to linux |
| 03:48.06 | jbevren | The ShanIP is a audio modification for the TuxScreen to allow the CPU to make noises using the speaker/handset. |
| 03:48.11 | jbevren | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/ShanIP |
| 03:48.12 | jbevren | hrm |
| 03:48.18 | sorphin | no freaking kidding |
| 03:48.34 | sorphin | doesn't mean you can't use the damn phone |
| 03:48.54 | jbevren | well, |
| 03:48.58 | jbevren | I'd use it for an IP phone ;-) |
| 03:49.21 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:49.32 | sorphin | there's like 3-4 versions of ShanIP |
| 03:49.36 | sorphin | :P |
| 03:50.28 | sorphin | and you can telnet in as root |
| 03:50.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:50.33 | sorphin | real secure guys |
| 03:50.49 | jbevren | heh. GPSfan is mentioned on the shanip232 page |
| 03:51.20 | sorphin | yep |
| 03:51.28 | sorphin | jbevren: GPSFan is a hw monkey :) |
| 03:51.42 | jbevren | I love hw :P |
| 03:51.45 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:51.50 | GPSFan | jbevren: that's because I did all the schematics, and the final 5v-3v mod. |
| 03:52.07 | sorphin | jbevren: and a general smart cookie ;) |
| 03:52.14 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 03:52.26 | sorphin | he's been very helpful to me w/ a lot of things |
| 03:52.27 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:52.37 | sorphin | as much as i like T0mW |
| 03:52.45 | sorphin | he likes more to tell you what you want to do isn't possible |
| 03:53.00 | sorphin | least w/ what i try and do |
| 03:53.02 | sorphin | you don't |
| 03:53.05 | jbevren | heh |
| 03:53.19 | jbevren | like the hppa guys, who told me I couldnt use a matrox millenium in my j5600? |
| 03:53.21 | sorphin | i.e. the whole triac thing |
| 03:53.39 | sorphin | jbevren: yeah |
| 03:53.55 | sorphin | well, so far the only thing hot in the ppc |
| 03:53.57 | sorphin | is the drive bay |
| 03:54.04 | sorphin | from those 2 TO-220? things |
| 03:54.12 | sorphin | w/ 12v and 5v hooked to them |
| 03:54.14 | sorphin | sinking the thing |
| 03:54.43 | sorphin | GPSFan: does your ppc have any leds on at all? |
| 03:54.51 | sorphin | beit on the front or the one on the board |
| 03:55.00 | GPSFan | so on the board? |
| 03:55.23 | sorphin | green led by the switch on the board |
| 03:55.30 | sorphin | and also hooked to the case LED |
| 03:55.32 | sorphin | neither is on |
| 03:55.35 | sorphin | on mine |
| 03:56.55 | sorphin | GPSFan: prolly could wire some flash up to the Port-X interface too, or some other IO device |
| 03:57.01 | GPSFan | those to220 things are resistors one 33ohm, one 10 ohm, they are to load the atx switching supply |
| 03:57.02 | sorphin | I/O even |
| 03:57.17 | sorphin | GPSFan: yeah, figured something like that |
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| 03:57.39 | GPSFan | the only led that light on mine are on the front panel. |
| 03:57.52 | sorphin | Soopaman: you really need to renick. every time you logon, that damn song pops into my head :P |
| 03:57.55 | GPSFan | btw, does your power switch work? |
| 03:58.01 | sorphin | on the front? |
| 03:58.06 | sorphin | haven't tried |
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| 03:58.07 | GPSFan | yeah |
| 03:58.13 | sorphin | only used the board one |
| 03:58.15 | sorphin | lemme try it |
| 03:58.46 | sorphin | nope |
| 03:58.49 | GPSFan | mine is just a push button and in parallel with the pc mount one on the board. I replaced it with a toggle sw. . |
| 03:59.07 | sorphin | doesn't do anything here |
| 03:59.14 | sorphin | i havent tried my 2nd ppc yet |
| 03:59.17 | sorphin | prolly should to make sure it works |
| 03:59.24 | sorphin | since that's the one that had the broken standoff |
| 03:59.37 | GPSFan | if you switch the switch on the board it will, but just momentarily. |
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| 03:59.58 | sorphin | huh? |
| 04:00.11 | sorphin | the front panel switch does nothing here, but the board one works |
| 04:00.54 | sorphin | man |
| 04:00.59 | sorphin | that bay gets downright HOT |
| 04:01.53 | sorphin | GPSFan: gonna keep that cases or use something else? |
| 04:02.08 | sorphin | the backplate in this other one won't stay in, and has that standoff |
| 04:02.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:02.14 | sorphin | and they're just big |
| 04:03.35 | sorphin | heh, power LED comes on on the front of this one |
| 04:04.17 | chouimat | sorphin: which ppc? |
| 04:04.39 | sorphin | chouimat: the A3000's we bought |
| 04:05.38 | sorphin | well hell |
| 04:05.48 | sorphin | this one booted right up no pause at Calibrating |
| 04:05.48 | GPSFan | sorphin: don't know yet, probably keep it together unless I come up with some application that needs just the board. |
| 04:05.57 | sorphin | kinda like the other one did once |
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| 04:13.29 | GPSFan | sorphin: did you look closely at the printed docs? |
| 04:14.03 | sorphin | GPSFan: looked at the hw ones, looked at the pdf of the sw ones, and glanced at the schematic, mostly the Port-X |
| 04:14.11 | GPSFan | the hw docs are only the odd pages, the sw docs are only the even. :>P |
| 04:14.22 | GPSFan | on mine that is. |
| 04:14.31 | sorphin | strange |
| 04:15.17 | sorphin | GPSFan: these won't fit in the rack in these cases, i had to remove all my crystals just so i could hook up to one |
| 04:15.38 | sorphin | these cases are almost 4U tall desktop size |
| 04:16.03 | sorphin | iirc, the hw doc said they draw 3.3v@2A |
| 04:17.07 | sorphin | GPSFan: heh, core freq from 333mhz to 400mhz |
| 04:17.14 | sorphin | but yet we're running at 300 |
| 04:17.19 | sorphin | still wonder if there's a way to OC |
| 04:17.24 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:17.29 | jbevren | cpu control regs? |
| 04:17.32 | GPSFan | the chip looks like a 333. |
| 04:17.45 | jbevren | it might be at 300 for heat |
| 04:18.00 | sorphin | uhhhh |
| 04:18.09 | sorphin | read the hw docs ken... bout the power |
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| 04:18.20 | sorphin | • Supply voltage, 5V: Used only to power the PCI slots. It is derived form the ATX power supply. The 5V regulation should have a tolerance of +5% and –3%. The maximum ripple should be less than 30mv. • Supply voltage 3.3V: The 3.3V supply to the board is also derived from the ATX connector. The 3.3V regulation should have a tolerance of +5 % and –3%. The maximum ripple should be less than 30mv. The core voltage (2.0V) for the main processor is derived |
| 04:18.30 | sorphin | then why are they keyed for 3.3v? |
| 04:18.49 | sorphin | or are they keyed for 5v and the back key is 3.3v? |
| 04:19.00 | sorphin | makes no sense |
| 04:19.06 | GPSFan | the keying on the pci refers to the signaling voltage. |
| 04:19.14 | sorphin | ok |
| 04:19.15 | sorphin | wtf |
| 04:19.17 | sorphin | they say all that above |
| 04:19.19 | sorphin | then have: |
| 04:19.26 | sorphin | The PCI slots follow the PCI 3.0 spec. Use only PCI cards keyed for 3.3V operation. 5V PCI cards will not fit into the slots. |
| 04:19.41 | sorphin | then you're not really running 12v and 5v to the slots |
| 04:20.34 | GPSFan | there is still 5v at the slot on a 3.3v pci connector, it up to the card to use it or not. |
| 04:21.00 | sorphin | ah |
| 04:21.12 | sorphin | and i must be missing something |
| 04:21.19 | sorphin | where's the spot for the 908? |
| 04:22.16 | GPSFan | the small missing chib near the back of the chassis |
| 04:22.49 | sorphin | ah |
| 04:22.58 | sorphin | mine wouldn't work then, it's a lil too big ;) |
| 04:25.52 | sorphin | GPSFan: they tell how to get into the ramdisk |
| 04:26.15 | sorphin | just gunzip and loop mount it, heh w/ -t ext2 |
| 04:27.52 | GPSFan | hmm tried that, maybe I screwed up some how, I'll give it another go tomorrow, I tried it just like I do for the z1pit. |
| 04:28.04 | sorphin | GPSFan: bottom of the sw manual ;) |
| 04:28.18 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:28.25 | sorphin | i'd try it, but giga (my building machine) is laying over there ----> open |
| 04:28.31 | jbevren | google uses linux because they dont like the terms of another software company |
| 04:28.33 | jbevren | I like these guys |
| 04:28.50 | GPSFan | time for Zzzz, night all.. |
| 04:29.03 | sorphin | i'd like to know why i have to use IE for google maps, beucas when i try and go to something in google maps in firefox |
| 04:29.16 | sorphin | it just takes me back to the page i was on (main US map) |
| 04:29.17 | jbevren | I agree |
| 04:29.18 | sorphin | GPSFan: night |
| 04:29.19 | jbevren | anyway |
| 04:29.29 | jbevren | aug 15. |
| 04:29.34 | sorphin | jbevren: Lost In Transit ;) |
| 04:29.35 | sorphin | hehe |
| 04:29.37 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:29.42 | jbevren | so, I'm stuck waiting till monday |
| 04:29.44 | sorphin | Aug 15th? |
| 04:29.45 | sorphin | damn |
| 04:29.51 | sorphin | they just ship today? |
| 04:29.54 | jbevren | yeah, serves me for living in BFI |
| 04:30.03 | jbevren | yeah, got the payment and shipped it same day |
| 04:30.06 | sorphin | mine came on the day it speced |
| 04:30.10 | DeltaF | Google maps works in FF for me.. |
| 04:30.11 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:30.19 | jbevren | DeltaF: yeah |
| 04:30.22 | sorphin | mine shipped on the 8th |
| 04:30.25 | sorphin | got here today |
| 04:30.28 | sorphin | 2 day :) |
| 04:30.37 | jbevren | it left rockville MD at 9pm est |
| 04:30.39 | sorphin | course, i also paid $19 in shipping heh |
| 04:30.53 | jbevren | so you like yours? |
| 04:30.56 | jbevren | maybe I shoulda got two |
| 04:30.57 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:31.06 | sorphin | jbevren: that $48 one ends soon |
| 04:31.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:31.26 | jbevren | youre a bad person. |
| 04:31.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:31.41 | sorphin | Why yes, I am, thank you for noticing ;) |
| 04:32.10 | sorphin | now i just need a *use* for these |
| 04:32.54 | sorphin | jbevren: so where would we tamper w/ the regs? |
| 04:33.36 | jbevren | dunno.. an asm app? |
| 04:33.40 | jbevren | I should get the pdf for the chip |
| 04:33.47 | jbevren | tiredness eating my brain |
| 04:33.51 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:33.56 | sorphin | but how do they have it _set_ at 300? |
| 04:34.08 | jbevren | dunno, maybe it starts at a lower speed, and the monitor configs the cpu |
| 04:34.09 | sorphin | in the bootloader? |
| 04:34.16 | sorphin | could be |
| 04:34.16 | jbevren | guesswork of course |
| 04:34.28 | sorphin | the tivo had that option, tho it didn't work |
| 04:34.30 | jbevren | what chip is it again? :-P |
| 04:34.34 | sorphin | stupid 54mhz POSes |
| 04:34.35 | jbevren | ah, maybe its lockable |
| 04:34.46 | sorphin | nah, the tivo cpus were junk |
| 04:34.47 | jbevren | (to prevent errant code from frying the hardware) |
| 04:35.02 | jbevren | so anyway, remind me what IC's in it :) |
| 04:35.59 | sorphin | mpc8245 |
| 04:36.04 | sorphin | big brother to the 8240 |
| 04:36.20 | sorphin | faster bus speed |
| 04:36.25 | jbevren | hm |
| 04:36.28 | jbevren | yeah |
| 04:36.28 | sorphin | 16550 serial port |
| 04:36.38 | jbevren | what's the part number on the IC itself? |
| 04:36.39 | sorphin | revised core |
| 04:36.58 | jbevren | nodnod |
| 04:37.10 | jbevren | table A in MPC8245ECS01AD.pdf has a listing of speeds |
| 04:37.22 | sorphin | right |
| 04:37.43 | jbevren | 266,300,333,350mhz |
| 04:38.01 | sorphin | the chip |
| 04:38.03 | sorphin | is barely warm |
| 04:38.07 | sorphin | at 300 |
| 04:38.16 | jbevren | is it a 300, or is it clocked down |
| 04:38.22 | sorphin | dunno |
| 04:38.25 | sorphin | how do you tell? |
| 04:38.42 | jbevren | whats the part number, |
| 04:38.46 | sorphin | looking |
| 04:38.47 | jbevren | second line on the bga package |
| 04:38.52 | jbevren | XXnnnx |
| 04:38.54 | jbevren | nnn is speed |
| 04:39.22 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 04:39.30 | sorphin | interesting... |
| 04:39.33 | sorphin | here's all the #'s |
| 04:39.34 | jbevren | maybe this doc's not correct(?) |
| 04:39.35 | sorphin | 1st |
| 04:39.49 | sorphin | MPC8245LZU333D |
| 04:39.57 | sorphin | then at the bottom |
| 04:40.08 | jbevren | hmm, so it does look like a 333 on the first line.. |
| 04:40.26 | sorphin | 4K78P QAJ0303 MALAYSIA |
| 04:40.46 | sorphin | which means it's underclocked |
| 04:40.47 | jbevren | 4k78p is the mask number I think |
| 04:40.55 | sorphin | ya got me |
| 04:41.00 | sorphin | i still don't understand that crap |
| 04:41.06 | jbevren | the QA is a serial of some sort |
| 04:41.15 | jbevren | hrm |
| 04:41.27 | jbevren | 333 is 133*2.5 |
| 04:41.28 | sorphin | would ppcboot be able to control the clocking? |
| 04:41.33 | sorphin | right |
| 04:41.36 | sorphin | and this runs at 133 |
| 04:41.42 | jbevren | the bus may be at 120 |
| 04:41.50 | jbevren | 120*2.5=300 |
| 04:41.57 | sorphin | my scope stops at 100mhz :P |
| 04:42.01 | sorphin | and my meter at 2mhz |
| 04:42.02 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:42.06 | jbevren | Mine goes to 100 too :-P |
| 04:42.18 | sorphin | ok |
| 04:42.25 | sorphin | so let's assume they're running the bus at 120 |
| 04:42.28 | sorphin | what do we do about it? |
| 04:42.42 | jbevren | I'd need the board heh |
| 04:42.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:42.50 | jbevren | I'm thinking it might be necessary to adjust the PLL's output |
| 04:43.00 | jbevren | assuming the board can run at 133 (we kn ow the cpu can0 |
| 04:43.01 | sorphin | jbevren: so you can't even ADD another card to paypal? |
| 04:43.04 | sorphin | and just select it? |
| 04:43.15 | sorphin | oh, i'm sure the board can |
| 04:43.28 | jbevren | sorphin: you talk like I have 300 cards |
| 04:43.33 | sorphin | hehe |
| 04:43.34 | jbevren | I dont trust paypal as it is |
| 04:43.40 | sorphin | i've never had an issue |
| 04:43.44 | jbevren | thus they have access to the bank account I have limited funds in only |
| 04:43.45 | jbevren | :) |
| 04:43.48 | sorphin | oh |
| 04:43.52 | sorphin | you want a laught? |
| 04:43.54 | sorphin | laugh even |
| 04:43.57 | jbevren | my friend got ripped off by pp |
| 04:43.59 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:44.05 | sorphin | fired up a 160gb maxtor today |
| 04:44.20 | jbevren | nod? |
| 04:44.21 | sorphin | there's a hole that burns in one of the chips |
| 04:44.25 | sorphin | on the controller board |
| 04:44.30 | sorphin | the drive was made in Jan 2004 |
| 04:44.35 | sorphin | the warranty |
| 04:44.38 | sorphin | expired in 7/2004 |
| 04:44.43 | sorphin | brand new drive |
| 04:44.48 | sorphin | maxtor won't do shit |
| 04:44.57 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:45.00 | jbevren | follow this path |
| 04:45.02 | jbevren | freescale.com |
| 04:45.10 | jbevren | part number entry (tip right) MPC8245 |
| 04:45.18 | MonMotha | maxtor are RMA nazis |
| 04:45.20 | jbevren | if you look at the 5th link |
| 04:45.22 | MonMotha | I refuse to buy their crap |
| 04:45.24 | jbevren | thats our exact part |
| 04:45.35 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, after my 60gig literal clunking drives |
| 04:45.45 | sorphin | i only buy seagate now after this nice 200G barracuda |
| 04:45.51 | sorphin | and experiences w/ their scsi |
| 04:46.01 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:46.05 | jbevren | dont buy medalists |
| 04:46.09 | sorphin | no shit |
| 04:46.09 | jbevren | do buy hawks if you buy an older drive |
| 04:46.11 | jbevren | I like hawks |
| 04:46.12 | sorphin | even the guy at work |
| 04:46.17 | sorphin | that knows people at seagate |
| 04:46.20 | sorphin | the people there even say |
| 04:46.25 | sorphin | don't buy medalists; ) |
| 04:46.26 | sorphin | ;) |
| 04:46.34 | jbevren | the only thing I like about medalists is that you know when theyre spinning up |
| 04:46.38 | MonMotha | I call them up with an obviously failed drive (clicky clicky noise, Linux scrolling sector defect errors, etc.). They INSIST that I get them their stupid PowerMAX code, which means I have to find a windows box since, while it is a bootable floppy image, it comes as a windows only EXE |
| 04:46.39 | sorphin | ha |
| 04:46.39 | jbevren | they squeal like a dying bat. |
| 04:46.58 | sorphin | jbevren: i know |
| 04:47.08 | sorphin | MonMotha: been there, done taht, RMA'd a 1 gig back in the day |
| 04:47.16 | MonMotha | the tech says "Sector errors and unusual noises are not usually indications of a failing drive" |
| 04:47.19 | jbevren | sorphin: try two |
| 04:47.20 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:47.23 | jbevren | my indy has two medalists |
| 04:47.28 | MonMotha | I'm like "No shit, they're usually indications of a FAILED drive. Idiot", and hung up on him |
| 04:47.35 | jbevren | stripe-raid MD on / |
| 04:48.03 | MonMotha | btw, I'm thinking of busting out my DCT5k |
| 04:48.06 | sorphin | jbevren: it's not lead free :P |
| 04:48.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:48.10 | sorphin | MonMotha: yay |
| 04:48.12 | sorphin | bout time ;) |
| 04:48.15 | MonMotha | problem is, I have absolutely no experience in porting linux to anything |
| 04:48.24 | sorphin | uh |
| 04:48.28 | sorphin | it's a normal MIPS cpu |
| 04:48.35 | sorphin | same one as the series 2 tivo infact |
| 04:48.42 | MonMotha | I know, it's more of a "get a bootloader working" thing |
| 04:48.47 | sorphin | well |
| 04:48.48 | jbevren | sorphin: I knew that from the cpu code :) |
| 04:48.51 | jbevren | lzu contains lead |
| 04:48.52 | sorphin | we can jtag it |
| 04:49.06 | sorphin | mmmm samples ;) |
| 04:49.33 | sorphin | .23uM |
| 04:49.34 | MonMotha | yes, and didn't someone figure out how to get the stock (mask) ROM to run stuff from flash? |
| 04:49.53 | sorphin | no |
| 04:50.30 | sorphin | not that i recall anyways |
| 04:50.36 | MonMotha | well, the code in flash does not get control of the system upon power-on |
| 04:50.43 | sorphin | jbevren: interesting |
| 04:50.45 | jbevren | 272Mbytes of rom/flash/portX |
| 04:50.48 | sorphin | this cpu supports up to 1G mem |
| 04:50.48 | jbevren | :-O |
| 04:50.49 | MonMotha | there's a bootloader in the mask rom that does |
| 04:50.52 | sorphin | erm |
| 04:50.53 | sorphin | 2G |
| 04:50.59 | sorphin | but the docs say max 512 |
| 04:51.02 | jbevren | pci 5v tolerant! |
| 04:51.12 | MonMotha | which means that if you don't know how to get it to call your code (IIRC there was a way), you'll need to replace that with a flash part that has the code of your choice |
| 04:51.18 | MonMotha | I have access to a programmer, though |
| 04:51.35 | sorphin | MonMotha: gpsfan talked about replacing the mask |
| 04:51.42 | sorphin | w/ a flash thingy |
| 04:51.51 | sorphin | jbevren: eh? |
| 04:51.55 | sorphin | ah |
| 04:51.55 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:52.04 | sorphin | jbevren: what annoys me |
| 04:52.05 | jbevren | sorphin: the pdf for the MPC says its 3.3v, but 5v tolerant |
| 04:52.12 | sorphin | the slots in my crystal backplanes |
| 04:52.15 | jbevren | doorbell registers |
| 04:52.23 | sorphin | don't have those indentations at the back of the slot |
| 04:52.27 | sorphin | so a 64bit card won't fit |
| 04:52.39 | sorphin | even if it's 32bit compat |
| 04:52.44 | sorphin | cuz the edge hits the slot |
| 04:52.48 | jbevren | the chip generats its own pci/sdram clocks |
| 04:52.52 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:52.53 | jbevren | wonder where its master clock comes from |
| 04:53.04 | jbevren | sorphin: yeah Ive seen those |
| 04:53.05 | jbevren | pita |
| 04:53.10 | sorphin | yep |
| 04:53.16 | sorphin | maybe i'll dremel them ;) |
| 04:53.25 | sorphin | i <3 my new dremel |
| 04:53.32 | jbevren | onboard pll |
| 04:53.33 | sorphin | one of those LiIon |
| 04:53.42 | sorphin | works really really well |
| 04:53.46 | sorphin | sharpened tools w/ it |
| 04:53.49 | sorphin | didn't break a sweat |
| 04:53.55 | sorphin | barely lost any charge at all |
| 04:53.58 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:54.14 | sorphin | onboard to the cpu? |
| 04:54.16 | sorphin | or on the board? |
| 04:54.23 | jbevren | I think on-chip |
| 04:54.24 | sorphin | ok |
| 04:54.25 | sorphin | wtf |
| 04:54.30 | jbevren | I'm not reading the board doc |
| 04:54.31 | sorphin | PCI 2.2 compatible |
| 04:54.33 | jbevren | I'm reading the hardware manual |
| 04:54.36 | sorphin | then why does the board say 3.0? |
| 04:54.40 | jbevren | MPC8245EC.pdf |
| 04:54.49 | sorphin | right |
| 04:54.49 | jbevren | the board doesnt have a pci bridge does it? |
| 04:55.05 | sorphin | no |
| 04:55.09 | sorphin | it's in the cpu |
| 04:55.13 | jbevren | ok |
| 04:55.16 | jbevren | you'll like this.. |
| 04:55.19 | sorphin | only chips are the ethernet |
| 04:55.23 | jbevren | typical power usage at 300mhz is 2w |
| 04:55.24 | sorphin | and the cpu |
| 04:55.27 | jbevren | 333, 2w |
| 04:55.28 | jbevren | lol |
| 04:55.37 | sorphin | well, it's only 33mhz more |
| 04:55.48 | jbevren | there's a 1.8w rating on the 300, not sure why |
| 04:55.49 | jbevren | hm |
| 04:55.58 | sorphin | # Two door-bell registers |
| 04:55.58 | sorphin | # Inbound and outbound messaging registers |
| 04:56.01 | sorphin | wtf? |
| 04:56.27 | sorphin | oh, and the watchdog... doesn't really reboot in 180 seconds |
| 04:56.28 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:58.07 | jbevren | page 40 |
| 04:58.09 | sorphin | well, they need to be telling the cpu what clock to generate |
| 04:58.18 | sorphin | woo |
| 04:58.29 | jbevren | PLL_CFG? |
| 04:58.56 | jbevren | hmm |
| 04:59.11 | jbevren | theyre multiplexed |
| 04:59.12 | jbevren | the cfg lines |
| 04:59.19 | sorphin | right |
| 04:59.48 | jbevren | so the chip generats its own clock |
| 04:59.53 | sorphin | jbevren: want the schematic? :) |
| 04:59.56 | jbevren | wonder if tis really running at 333 |
| 05:00.00 | jbevren | sorphin: sure, dcc |
| 05:00.04 | jbevren | I'm going to bed soon though |
| 05:00.08 | sorphin | jbevren: if it were running at 333 |
| 05:00.12 | sorphin | linux would see that |
| 05:00.17 | jbevren | ok |
| 05:01.37 | sorphin | funny |
| 05:01.42 | sorphin | the schemtic block diagram |
| 05:01.50 | sorphin | MPC8245 |
| 05:01.50 | sorphin | Integrated Processor |
| 05:01.50 | sorphin | (3.3V, 2.0V, |
| 05:01.50 | sorphin | 350MHz) |
| 05:02.52 | sorphin | they're running the memory at 100mhz |
| 05:03.01 | sorphin | page 4 |
| 05:03.57 | sorphin | and resistors tied to the PLL_CFG lines |
| 05:03.59 | sorphin | shit |
| 05:04.05 | sorphin | that's just like they do on the mac mini |
| 05:04.12 | sorphin | pop resistors |
| 05:04.17 | sorphin | change your speed |
| 05:04.23 | sorphin | that's how i went from 1.24 -> 1.5 |
| 05:05.07 | sorphin | R101-R105 |
| 05:06.30 | sorphin | :) |
| 05:07.03 | jbevren | too tired to think on this pll setup heh |
| 05:07.05 | sorphin | it's a bloody resistor pack |
| 05:07.28 | sorphin | tying to VCC (pullups) |
| 05:07.35 | sorphin | then R106-110 to GND |
| 05:07.50 | jbevren | Nice. PortX is extended completely |
| 05:07.50 | sorphin | but page 4 is the magic page |
| 05:07.53 | sorphin | yep |
| 05:08.40 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:08.53 | jbevren | r1101-105 yeah |
| 05:08.56 | jbevren | remove a 1 |
| 05:09.19 | jbevren | or rather, 106-110 |
| 05:09.29 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:09.31 | sorphin | the 0ohm |
| 05:09.34 | sorphin | jumpers as it were |
| 05:09.43 | jbevren | yep |
| 05:09.45 | sorphin | same shit is as the mini |
| 05:09.46 | jbevren | how's yours set up? |
| 05:09.47 | sorphin | exactly |
| 05:09.50 | sorphin | looking |
| 05:10.28 | sorphin | weird |
| 05:10.35 | sorphin | 2 rows of resistors there |
| 05:10.39 | jbevren | yeah |
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| 05:10.43 | jbevren | one group are pullups |
| 05:10.46 | jbevren | the other are jumpers |
| 05:10.54 | jbevren | 106-110 is what I'm interested in |
| 05:10.58 | sorphin | right i know |
| 05:11.02 | jbevren | ok (?) |
| 05:11.11 | sorphin | none are 0 ohm |
| 05:11.23 | sorphin | which is interesting |
| 05:11.26 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:11.34 | jbevren | are they the same sizes? |
| 05:11.40 | jbevren | (like two sets) |
| 05:11.57 | sorphin | 1 sec.. |
| 05:12.01 | jbevren | since theyre multiplexed, you couldnt use 0ohm |
| 05:12.08 | jbevren | it'd lock the bus |
| 05:14.50 | jbevren | 10001 is pci clock 25-33mhz, cpu speed 300mhz max |
| 05:14.56 | jbevren | anyway |
| 05:14.59 | jbevren | its late. :) |
| 05:15.11 | jbevren | I'll bug you more about the resistors later, make a note of how theyre set up :) |
| 05:15.12 | jbevren | ciao |
| 05:15.17 | sorphin | k |
| 05:15.29 | sorphin | was gonna try and macro snap it |
| 05:15.36 | sorphin | damn card isn't behaving |
| 05:16.28 | sorphin | nice try |
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| 12:55.07 | jbevren | sorphin: so about the resistors |
| 12:59.36 | sorphin | jbevren: 1 digital cameras wouldn't do it, heh |
| 12:59.40 | sorphin | 2 even |
| 13:00.07 | sorphin | 1 i'm having to replace the lcd on (and have a lead on one finally), the other (which was originally mine anyways), keep throwing a card error in the camera |
| 13:02.22 | sorphin | jbevren: and it appears |
| 13:02.25 | sorphin | the ramdisk that is on the cd |
| 13:02.45 | sorphin | isn't the same as in the flash, their script bs is missing on the cd, but that's fine, we didn't need that anyways |
| 13:05.59 | jbevren | nod' |
| 13:06.24 | jbevren | sorphin: so you couldnt writ the values of the resistors down? hehe |
| 13:06.31 | jbevren | :-P |
| 13:06.50 | sorphin | jbevren: they were all 103s from what i saw, heh or 102s |
| 13:07.00 | sorphin | ken will be able to LOOK at his board when he appears |
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| 13:07.36 | sorphin | speak of the devil |
| 13:07.38 | sorphin | GPSFan: moin ken |
| 13:08.17 | sorphin | jbevren: i didnt' feel like dragging it over to the microscope and those resistors are realy realy small |
| 13:08.21 | GPSFan | howdy, 1st 64 bytes eh.. |
| 13:08.23 | sorphin | physically |
| 13:08.27 | sorphin | GPSFan: yep |
| 13:08.32 | sorphin | PPCboot header |
| 13:08.36 | jbevren | GPSFan: r105-r110 |
| 13:08.38 | jbevren | :) |
| 13:08.41 | GPSFan | gotcha.. |
| 13:08.43 | jbevren | PLL config |
| 13:08.53 | sorphin | like on any mac board ;) |
| 13:09.11 | jbevren | well, similar, these are mux'ed with sometihng else, so you use pulls instead of 0ohms |
| 13:09.20 | sorphin | yeah |
| 13:09.25 | sorphin | but same idea |
| 13:09.29 | jbevren | nodnod |
| 13:09.31 | sorphin | dunno why they mux'd em |
| 13:09.41 | jbevren | out of pads maybe |
| 13:09.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:09.57 | sorphin | not likely |
| 13:10.10 | sorphin | anyways |
| 13:10.15 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:10.24 | sorphin | GPSFan: when you get a moment, and a strong magnification source |
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| 13:10.32 | sorphin | GPSFan: left side of the CPU |
| 13:10.34 | sorphin | :) |
| 13:10.48 | jbevren | GPSFan: page 4 of the schematic, and 40 of um |
| 13:10.56 | jbevren | MPC8245EC.pdf |
| 13:11.10 | jbevren | page 40's the pll config table |
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| 13:15.00 | sorphin | jbevren: yours move any? ;) |
| 13:15.23 | jbevren | hold on, kickign someon eoff for spamming |
| 13:15.23 | jbevren | wee |
| 13:16.09 | jbevren | still in transit |
| 13:16.15 | jbevren | its probably being trucked to waterloo |
| 13:16.36 | jbevren | http://dilbert.com/ |
| 13:16.40 | jbevren | dilbert's good today |
| 13:17.51 | GPSFan | sorphin: I'll get a good pict of that ared after I wake up, would be nice to speed bump the cpu up a bit. |
| 13:18.12 | sorphin | GPSFan: the cpu IS a 333 |
| 13:18.16 | sorphin | they have it underclocked |
| 13:18.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:19.24 | sorphin | jbevren: damn lil sony LCD.. pain in the ass to find, hope this dude don't want too much for it/still has it |
| 13:22.21 | jbevren | gak. heh |
| 13:24.04 | GPSFan | sorphin: if you look at the full size (1600 x 1200) image http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Pix/images/A3000/pict1312.jpg it's just about good enough to see the details of the pll resistors. |
| 13:24.26 | GPSFan | you will have to open it in a viewer and zoom in. |
| 13:26.22 | jbevren | hm where are they :P |
| 13:26.30 | sorphin | left of cpu :P |
| 13:26.42 | jbevren | ah |
| 13:26.45 | jbevren | I see em |
| 13:27.00 | GPSFan | I'll take a better pict in a bit.. |
| 13:29.08 | sorphin | M$'s viewer can't zoom decent enough to read the values |
| 13:33.07 | GPSFan | try this http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Pix/images/A3000/pict1313.jpg |
| 13:33.37 | jbevren | grr. matrox g450s are 3v |
| 13:33.41 | jbevren | milleniums arent :P |
| 13:34.01 | sorphin | jbevren: so dremel ;) |
| 13:34.14 | jbevren | my g400's agp. hehe |
| 13:34.18 | sorphin | yay |
| 13:34.20 | sorphin | much better |
| 13:34.42 | sorphin | err |
| 13:34.56 | sorphin | except on 106,107,108,109 and 110 |
| 13:35.01 | jbevren | well we know the resistor values from the schematic |
| 13:35.04 | sorphin | they're intentionally ligher ink |
| 13:35.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:35.18 | sorphin | jbevren: no, those say 0E |
| 13:35.22 | sorphin | on the schematic |
| 13:35.57 | jbevren | yes but theyre probably swapped with the 10k resistors in the vcc grup |
| 13:36.24 | sorphin | you mean both 10ks :P |
| 13:36.36 | sorphin | erm |
| 13:36.50 | jbevren | example, |
| 13:36.55 | sorphin | ok |
| 13:36.56 | jbevren | you take 101 out and put it on 106 instead |
| 13:36.57 | sorphin | this is odd |
| 13:37.12 | sorphin | jbevren: look at that last image he gave us |
| 13:37.14 | jbevren | following? :) |
| 13:37.17 | sorphin | there's a vap bridging |
| 13:37.26 | sorphin | cap |
| 13:37.39 | sorphin | unless it's just unrelated |
| 13:37.48 | jbevren | it probably unrelated |
| 13:37.52 | sorphin | there's only 1 resistor in 101-105 |
| 13:37.53 | jbevren | I cant find an identifier for it though |
| 13:38.20 | sorphin | and the spots don't look 'shorted' |
| 13:38.40 | sorphin | tho i also didn't measure either |
| 13:39.46 | jbevren | I suspect its a decoupling cap |
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| 13:41.16 | Crofton_|laptop | anyone bored? |
| 13:41.23 | Crofton_|laptop | and at a linux box? |
| 13:41.26 | sorphin | jbevren: think 101-105 are just shorted? (well, except 105) |
| 13:42.17 | sorphin | there's some cruft in their compiler tree btw |
| 13:42.39 | sorphin | ymessenger, few unnecessary symlinks, an Acroread link |
| 13:42.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:43.17 | Crofton_|laptop | TheCollector, try www.ronaoke.com from a linux box |
| 13:43.27 | Crofton_|laptop | gad |
| 13:43.31 | Crofton_|laptop | www.roanoke.com |
| 13:43.39 | sorphin | Crofton: something wrong w/ solaris boxes? ;) |
| 13:44.12 | jbevren | aaaauuuugghhhhh |
| 13:44.22 | jbevren | f/ing acrobat |
| 13:44.35 | TheCollector | Crofton_|laptop: it resolves for me |
| 13:44.38 | sorphin | uhh |
| 13:44.42 | jbevren | frozen with a menu up so I acnt eve kill it |
| 13:44.47 | sorphin | looks like a Quick! search'd domain |
| 13:44.52 | TheCollector | yep |
| 13:45.29 | sorphin | meaning someone didn't pay their domain bill and someone else has the domain or your dns is pointing wrong ;) |
| 13:45.43 | jbevren | that BS just irritates me beyond sanity |
| 13:46.08 | jbevren | anyway, that cap, cb21, is a decoupling cap |
| 13:46.17 | sorphin | jbevren: i'm still amused at what someone was trying to sell my old domain for |
| 13:46.20 | sorphin | nod |
| 13:46.32 | sorphin | jbevren: and the fact that 105 is the only one populated? |
| 13:46.59 | jbevren | 105 106 107 108 109 <- populated |
| 13:47.07 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 13:47.10 | sorphin | you're shifting |
| 13:47.20 | sorphin | 101-105 and 106-110 |
| 13:47.20 | jbevren | no, I'm not |
| 13:47.29 | sorphin | look at the schematic again |
| 13:47.32 | jbevren | I did. |
| 13:47.46 | jbevren | 101-110 are all in that group |
| 13:47.52 | sorphin | yeah |
| 13:47.54 | sorphin | and if you notice |
| 13:48.02 | sorphin | one "part" is pullups |
| 13:48.05 | sorphin | the other are pulldowns |
| 13:48.09 | jbevren | right |
| 13:48.15 | jbevren | but if you populate both, |
| 13:48.19 | jbevren | it wont pull up or down |
| 13:48.26 | sorphin | ... |
| 13:48.32 | jbevren | look at 110 |
| 13:48.34 | jbevren | not populated |
| 13:48.40 | jbevren | this lines up with 105 |
| 13:48.41 | jbevren | which is |
| 13:48.53 | jbevren | you populate the pullup or pulldown, but not both :) |
| 13:49.17 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 13:49.34 | jbevren | cfg bits: 00001 |
| 13:49.35 | sorphin | this board routed crappy :P |
| 13:49.44 | jbevren | or since I said them backwards |
| 13:49.50 | jbevren | 10000 |
| 13:49.55 | sorphin | well |
| 13:49.57 | jbevren | cfg4 is the only one set high |
| 13:50.08 | sorphin | 00001 and 10000 are 2 diff settings on that page ;) |
| 13:50.25 | jbevren | I know |
| 13:50.29 | jbevren | I read them backwards at first |
| 13:50.36 | jbevren | CFG4's high, the rest are low; 10000 |
| 13:50.45 | sorphin | so... |
| 13:50.53 | jbevren | ref 10 on page 43 |
| 13:50.56 | sorphin | uh |
| 13:51.14 | sorphin | i'm not anywhere near my home machine so i don't have that stuff pulled up |
| 13:51.23 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:51.38 | sorphin | and the pdf viewer is on the doze laptop |
| 13:51.42 | sorphin | i'm on a sparc |
| 13:51.59 | TheCollector | sorphin: what model? |
| 13:52.07 | sorphin | TheCollector: U10 |
| 13:52.14 | sorphin | U5 as well |
| 13:52.32 | sorphin | prolly ditch doze on the laptop and use Wine |
| 13:53.04 | TheCollector | sorphin: ahh |
| 13:53.13 | TheCollector | I've got an ultra 30 at home |
| 13:53.19 | sorphin | TheCollector: heh |
| 13:53.21 | sorphin | at home |
| 13:53.34 | sorphin | U5, U30, SS20, and if i play my cards right |
| 13:53.36 | sorphin | an AXi |
| 13:53.42 | TheCollector | cool |
| 13:53.46 | sorphin | which i might replace the U5 with |
| 13:54.03 | sorphin | anyways |
| 13:54.16 | sorphin | jbevren: give a full url to the pdf :P |
| 13:54.38 | sorphin | or a tiny :P |
| 13:54.46 | sorphin | i have to type it |
| 14:01.09 | sorphin | or i'll just google at this rate :P |
| 14:01.32 | jbevren | hold |
| 14:01.40 | jbevren | http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/data_sheet/MPC8245EC.pdf |
| 14:01.49 | sorphin | k |
| 14:08.49 | sorphin | woo back on wireless :P |
| 14:10.24 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:10.48 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 14:10.52 | sorphin | ref 10 |
| 14:10.58 | sorphin | the max is 264 |
| 14:11.02 | jbevren | the frequesncy range.. yeah I saw that |
| 14:11.07 | jbevren | but thats how the resistors are set |
| 14:11.25 | sorphin | then something's up |
| 14:11.29 | sorphin | cuz it's not running that slow |
| 14:12.47 | sorphin | dude wants me to make him an offer on the lcd |
| 14:12.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:13.26 | sorphin | so if you think that's high/low |
| 14:13.40 | sorphin | GPSFan: could use your brain here on the resistor issue :) |
| 14:14.18 | TheCollector | i hate html/rtf email so much |
| 14:14.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:15.43 | sorphin | jbevren: what do you think? it's for a samsung Digimax 350S (missy's dad had to get rid of it cuz of the lcd being borked, it all works fine) |
| 14:16.51 | jbevren | dunno much about the cam |
| 14:16.54 | jbevren | how many MP? |
| 14:17.00 | sorphin | 3.2 meg |
| 14:17.02 | sorphin | does video |
| 14:17.03 | sorphin | etc |
| 14:17.23 | jbevren | $20 would be worth it :) |
| 14:17.32 | jbevren | people still pay 50 for those used I bet |
| 14:17.37 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.00 | jbevren | I'd search ebay for completed auctions and see what people are paying (IMO) |
| 14:18.12 | jbevren | if you dont you'll end up buying another cam, so find out how much its worth hehe |
| 14:18.34 | sorphin | right |
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| 14:19.34 | Crofton_|laptop | CosmicPenguin, are you on linux right now? |
| 14:19.42 | CosmicPenguin | I hope so |
| 14:19.54 | Crofton_|laptop | can you see if www.roanoke.com comes up ? |
| 14:20.04 | Crofton_|laptop | I am having a problem that is driving me crazy |
| 14:20.37 | CosmicPenguin | I'm behind a proxy, all I can do is http - otay? |
| 14:20.49 | Crofton_|laptop | thats fine |
| 14:21.02 | CosmicPenguin | Yep, its up |
| 14:21.06 | CosmicPenguin | too many cookies though |
| 14:21.14 | Crofton_|laptop | heh |
| 14:21.24 | Crofton_|laptop | what kernle version do you run? |
| 14:21.36 | CosmicPenguin | This one is 2.4.30 |
| 14:21.41 | CosmicPenguin | I'm too lazy to switch to 2.6 |
| 14:21.46 | CosmicPenguin | plus, I use this boxen too much |
| 14:21.49 | Crofton_|laptop | bother |
| 14:21.59 | Crofton_|laptop | I have a couple of boxes it doesn't work on |
| 14:22.05 | Crofton_|laptop | 2.6.8 and 2.6.12 |
| 14:22.14 | Crofton_|laptop | but I can't find anyone else with the problem |
| 14:25.01 | Crofton_|laptop | bother, my slug at school can't telnet out past the router |
| 14:30.28 | sorphin | Crofton: that domain is broken, we've told you that :P |
| 14:48.25 | sorphin | jbevren: the table for the G4 was much simpler ;) |
| 14:50.41 | sorphin | i sent the email just as i'd worded.. $20? $25? only one sold recently.. for $57 for the camera |
| 14:52.38 | sorphin | heh, and i noticed, there is an lspci on the pcc |
| 14:52.40 | sorphin | ppc even |
| 14:52.48 | sorphin | so i grabbed the latest pci.ids |
| 14:53.14 | sorphin | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Motorola MPC8245 [Unity] (rev 14) |
| 14:53.14 | sorphin | 00:18.0 Ethernet controller: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller |
| 14:53.18 | sorphin | so it's recognized |
| 14:59.15 | jbevren | http://fun.drno.de/pics/computerkillers/yellow_wall.jpg |
| 14:59.17 | jbevren | cat5 anyone? |
| 15:00.19 | Soopaman | that is absurd |
| 15:00.39 | Soopaman | is that functional, or just for internet jokes? |
| 15:00.44 | jbevren | dunno |
| 15:02.17 | sorphin | jbevren: yours just need to show up early ;) |
| 15:02.24 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:02.30 | jbevren | you never nkow |
| 15:02.35 | sorphin | and you say i'm a bad influence |
| 15:02.36 | jbevren | fedex has delivered like 2d earlyon me before |
| 15:02.41 | sorphin | it's your fault for even pointing these out ;) |
| 15:02.54 | jbevren | :-D |
| 15:03.51 | sorphin | hope the dude goes for 20 more than 25 :P |
| 15:03.57 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:04.02 | jbevren | I hope he goes for it :) |
| 15:04.03 | sorphin | i emailed him a 2nd time telling him what that camera went for |
| 15:04.09 | jbevren | .w |
| 15:04.10 | sorphin | so... |
| 15:04.14 | jbevren | grr missed / |
| 15:04.32 | jbevren | so ive got everything but video in 3.3v |
| 15:04.34 | sorphin | and since this is just the lcd.. we'll see |
| 15:04.35 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:04.37 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:04.41 | GPSFan | sorphin: sorry, was out doing chores.. let me look at the schematic |
| 15:04.43 | jbevren | my eepro100's 3.3v |
| 15:04.43 | sorphin | can't find my 1394 card |
| 15:04.49 | sorphin | yay, ken's back |
| 15:05.07 | jbevren | my qlogic 1080's 3.3v :) |
| 15:05.11 | jbevren | re GPSFan |
| 15:05.20 | sorphin | jbevren: just dremmel you wussy ;) |
| 15:05.29 | jbevren | that'll be.. a challenge. |
| 15:05.31 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:05.33 | sorphin | nah |
| 15:05.37 | sorphin | cutting wheels |
| 15:05.40 | jbevren | nope |
| 15:05.44 | sorphin | no? |
| 15:05.45 | jbevren | you'll hit adjacent contacts |
| 15:05.49 | sorphin | no |
| 15:05.58 | sorphin | not if you're careful |
| 15:05.59 | jbevren | here's what I'm thinking |
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| 15:06.05 | jbevren | I have a pci riser somewhere |
| 15:06.09 | sorphin | desolder the sockets and put new ones in? ;) |
| 15:06.14 | jbevren | I can use it to test, since it has all the notches, but none of the blocks |
| 15:06.15 | sorphin | ha |
| 15:06.25 | jbevren | (i.e. it'll fit in 3.3 or 5v, but doesnt have the notches in its own slot) |
| 15:06.25 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:06.28 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:06.42 | jbevren | sort of a universal adaptor |
| 15:06.43 | sorphin | iirc, my risers match on both ends |
| 15:06.48 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:06.48 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:06.51 | jbevren | Hm |
| 15:07.03 | jbevren | think a 64bit active riser would work on a 32bit slot? |
| 15:07.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:07.10 | jbevren | (the riser has a bridge on it) |
| 15:07.16 | sorphin | can it be used non active? |
| 15:07.18 | jbevren | it's also selfpowered |
| 15:07.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:07.43 | sorphin | i dunno since it's active |
| 15:07.48 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:07.49 | jbevren | shrug |
| 15:07.49 | sorphin | the bridge might freak out |
| 15:08.02 | sorphin | crap, i'm missing pins |
| 15:08.21 | sorphin | must...have...64bits...of...contact |
| 15:09.54 | jbevren | AUGH HALF OF MY BUS IS GONE |
| 15:09.55 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:10.17 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:10.25 | sorphin | a crippled pci bridge |
| 15:10.40 | sorphin | 1/2 your bus has been amputated |
| 15:10.52 | jbevren | haha |
| 15:10.56 | GPSFan | jbevren: the cpu datasheet isnt too clear to me atm, lots going on this am, so it may take a bit.. |
| 15:11.04 | jbevren | GPSFan: no rush :) |
| 15:11.10 | jbevren | Just helping you find stuff |
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| 15:11.29 | jbevren | I have a 132mhz 603e powermac.. its actually not bad speedwise |
| 15:11.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:12.07 | sorphin | jbevren: i noticed a major change going from 1.24G to 1.5G :) |
| 15:13.49 | jbevren | sorphin: that was on a g4 :) |
| 15:14.05 | sorphin | yeah yeah |
| 15:14.09 | sorphin | details ;) |
| 15:14.19 | jbevren | g4's are already pretty powerful per-mhz |
| 15:14.23 | jbevren | 603's um |
| 15:14.26 | jbevren | arent so umch |
| 15:14.27 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:14.49 | sorphin | well, it's a G2, so i guess we'll see :P |
| 15:15.04 | sorphin | better than the tivo ;) |
| 15:15.09 | jbevren | yeah |
| 15:15.15 | jbevren | as I said, my 132mhz ppc's not bad |
| 15:15.16 | sorphin | a blasing 54mhz |
| 15:15.19 | jbevren | and it's on edo mem |
| 15:15.23 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:15.25 | jbevren | with fastnarrow scsi |
| 15:15.34 | sorphin | these boards are set for registered mem stock |
| 15:15.34 | jbevren | linux -> MOL -> macos is quite reasonable |
| 15:19.39 | GPSFan | jbevren: is there another ref manual for the cpu detailing the internal registers? |
| 15:31.16 | GPSFan | think I found it, dl'ing now.. |
| 15:32.26 | sorphin | k |
| 15:38.19 | sorphin | GPSFan: where is it? |
| 15:38.51 | *** part/#elinux ade|desk (n=adavey@194.200.143.249) |
| 15:43.24 | GPSFan | http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/ref_manual/MPC8245UMZIP.zip |
| 15:44.38 | sorphin | k |
| 15:45.14 | GPSFan | think I figured it out, the mem clock is genereated by a pll that multiplies the input 33mhz clock by 3 in our case. the cpu clock is in turn generated by multiplying the mem clock by 3 which gives 33 x 3 = 100 x 3 = 300 |
| 15:45.38 | sorphin | GPSFan: right |
| 15:46.04 | GPSFan | out specific case is defined by the 5 bits of the pllcfg input which are 00001 (numbered l-r 0-4) |
| 15:47.11 | GPSFan | page 42 of the hardware spec table 19 |
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| 15:48.19 | jbevren | aha |
| 15:48.20 | jbevren | makes sense |
| 15:51.15 | jbevren | nod |
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| 15:53.18 | GPSFan | jbevren: if we switch the cfg to 10001 (ref 11 page 43) and we have 133mhz memory we should have a 333mhz cpu freq & 133mhz memory bus. |
| 15:53.53 | jbevren | where's that put pci? (looking) |
| 15:54.07 | GPSFan | 33mhz |
| 15:54.13 | jbevren | great |
| 15:54.19 | jbevren | something that confuses me is the range |
| 15:54.22 | jbevren | 25-33mhz (?) |
| 15:54.42 | jbevren | is that because clocks stretch/stall to keep buses in sync or ? |
| 15:55.44 | jbevren | at any rate, it makes things as simple as moving r101 to r106 |
| 15:56.26 | GPSFan | look at fig 2.4 on page 2-41 of the user manual |
| 15:57.06 | GPSFan | not quite, the pullups are 10k, the pulldowns 0 ohms. |
| 15:58.28 | GPSFan | the range is what you can make the ext oscillator that drives the "low-skew buffer" and makes the pci clocks & pci_sync. |
| 15:58.29 | jbevren | interesting |
| 15:58.34 | sorphin | that must be why pci is at 33mhz and not 66 ? |
| 15:58.44 | jbevren | I figured they wouldnt use 0ohms since its a multiplexed line |
| 15:58.57 | jbevren | ah I understand |
| 15:59.07 | jbevren | (skew buff) |
| 15:59.21 | GPSFan | sorphin: that and the fact that there aren't too many 66mhz pci cards in the normal PC formfactor. |
| 15:59.29 | jbevren | but I agree, its 0ohm to tie down |
| 16:00.02 | sorphin | jbevren: ha |
| 16:00.05 | GPSFan | jbevren: I find it odd too, but that's what the spec & schematic say. |
| 16:00.09 | jbevren | yep |
| 16:00.30 | jbevren | considering a 10k resistor would survive a short to ground, I think I'll just bridge a 'turbo' switch across R106 :) |
| 16:00.33 | sorphin | so is 105 a 0hm then or not? didn't look like it to my eyes |
| 16:00.49 | jbevren | 106 is a 105? |
| 16:00.54 | jbevren | thats 1000000 ohm |
| 16:00.55 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:01.10 | jbevren | R106 is a 105? <- correctin |
| 16:01.11 | sorphin | i couldn't make out that small of text |
| 16:01.17 | sorphin | and didn't put it under the micro ;p |
| 16:01.20 | GPSFan | 103 = 10k |
| 16:01.22 | sorphin | but i can :P |
| 16:01.31 | GPSFan | oops... 1k |
| 16:01.43 | sorphin | no |
| 16:01.51 | sorphin | 10k |
| 16:01.59 | sorphin | 10 + 3 0's |
| 16:02.03 | GPSFan | maybe I should quit while I'm ahead. ;>( |
| 16:02.06 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:02.07 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:03.01 | GPSFan | so, its pop off r101, and add a 10k at r106, me thinks... |
| 16:03.30 | GPSFan | better look at the cpu core voltage req's just in case.. |
| 16:03.34 | sorphin | GPSFan: better you try it 1st :) |
| 16:03.41 | GPSFan | hehe... |
| 16:03.44 | sorphin | GPSFan: well, you can adjust between 2v and 1.6v |
| 16:03.53 | sorphin | GPSFan: well, you're better at smt than i am |
| 16:04.03 | sorphin | and have spares i'm sure :P |
| 16:08.07 | GPSFan | I have some 0402 10k's I think, left over from the z1pit autopsy. |
| 16:08.30 | sorphin | GPSFan: waht would you say the ones on the board are? size wise |
| 16:08.57 | GPSFan | I think they are 0402 or 0603 |
| 16:09.18 | GPSFan | small suckers to be sure. |
| 16:12.23 | GPSFan | correction, remove the 0 ohm at R106 and add a 10K at R101 |
| 16:14.33 | sorphin | uh |
| 16:14.43 | sorphin | GPSFan: long as you do it 1st |
| 16:14.48 | sorphin | :) |
| 16:14.51 | jbevren | 106 is unpopulated isnt it? |
| 16:14.57 | chouimat | http://www.askmen.com/jokes/current/index.html |
| 16:14.58 | jbevren | oh look at that |
| 16:15.00 | jbevren | lol |
| 16:23.10 | GPSFan | it must change the peripheral clock too, the baud rate is off on the serial port. |
| 16:23.43 | jbevren | uhoh |
| 16:23.45 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:24.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:24.35 | GPSFan | back to 300mhz.. |
| 16:24.37 | sorphin | GPSFan: need to try saving the environment when you'r eion the monitor |
| 16:24.42 | sorphin | there's an option for it |
| 16:24.46 | sorphin | dunno if it works or not tho |
| 16:27.12 | GPSFan | will try that too.. |
| 16:32.26 | GPSFan | saving config works. |
| 16:32.43 | GPSFan | and it's back working at 300mhz |
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| 16:40.19 | kergoth | file[laptop], file: ping |
| 16:40.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: well, waht i wanted you to try |
| 16:40.27 | sorphin | save the config |
| 16:40.29 | sorphin | so it'll boot |
| 16:40.31 | sorphin | do the mod |
| 16:40.32 | sorphin | telnet in |
| 16:40.36 | sorphin | see if you get in |
| 16:40.37 | sorphin | :) |
| 16:40.48 | CosmicPenguin | holy flood batman |
| 16:43.31 | file | kergoth: pong |
| 16:44.13 | file | kergoth: what does the kergoth require? |
| 16:46.02 | GPSFan | sorphin: I was going to try that, but I noticed that I didn't get the pattern of the diagnostic startup stuff, just one long burst of chars, then nothing for ever. I'll give it another shot later. gotta run off for a while. |
| 16:48.11 | GPSFan | sorphin: also I need to read abit mor on how the whole pll clocking thing works, probably missed some important clue. |
| 16:50.46 | kergoth | file: need to learn more about voip and sip. any specific resources you'd recommend other than the appropriate RFCs? |
| 16:50.58 | file | kergoth: actual implementations |
| 16:51.07 | file | kergoth: the RFC can be interpreted in different ways |
| 16:51.10 | jbevren | kergoth: http://voip-info.org |
| 16:51.22 | kergoth | mmmk, any specific recommendations of implementation code to review? |
| 16:51.25 | jbevren | very nice wiki |
| 16:51.45 | file | resiprocate is a good SIP stack, SER has a beautiful one, and if you want to see one that will work with most everything - chan_sip from Asterisk |
| 16:53.30 | kergoth | file: okay, thanks |
| 16:54.03 | file | and you can always ask me questions! |
| 16:54.10 | kergoth | k :) |
| 16:54.26 | kergoth | suppose i should sniff some actual sip traffic at some point |
| 16:56.27 | jbevren | kphone sends scads of debug to stdout |
| 16:56.30 | file | INVITE (->) 100 Trying (<-) 180 Ringing/183 Session Progress (<-) 200 OK (<-) ACK (->) BYE (->) 200 OK (<-) |
| 16:56.34 | file | standard SIP call |
| 16:56.35 | jbevren | (if you just want to see traffic) |
| 16:58.01 | kergoth | simple, clean. header format is all http-ey.. |
| 16:58.08 | file | yes, it is |
| 16:58.08 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 16:58.18 | file | you can read SIP traces easily, it's all text |
| 16:58.31 | file | now, SIP is just the signalling... audio is carried via RTP |
| 16:58.41 | file | for things like INVITEs, 183s, 200 OKs, you get SDP |
| 16:58.43 | kergoth | rtp is that realtime transport protocol, right? |
| 16:58.50 | file | SDP contains the IP address and port to send the stream of audio to |
| 16:58.50 | chouimat | hi file kergoth sorphin |
| 16:58.52 | file | yes |
| 16:58.54 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 16:58.56 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:59.01 | file | SDP also contains codec information for negotiation |
| 16:59.44 | chouimat | kergoth: we allready an unforseen effect of the same sex wedding law here in Canada. 2 straigth guys are getting married for taxes reasons |
| 16:59.46 | file | I'm going to cram the basics into your head right now dang nabbit |
| 17:00.00 | kergoth | chouimat: hah |
| 17:00.03 | jbevren | haha |
| 17:00.04 | jbevren | that rocks |
| 17:00.09 | file | 180 Ringing is just a simple reply to the endpoint to provide ringing all by itself |
| 17:00.19 | file | 183 Session Progress means that the progress (ringing/etc) is coming as audio from the other side |
| 17:00.23 | jbevren | noon whistle |
| 17:00.27 | file | and hi chouimat |
| 17:00.36 | chouimat | kergoth: the guy reading the news had problems not laughing |
| 17:00.45 | jbevren | file: so 183 indicates to connect to RTP and relay to the caller? |
| 17:00.47 | jbevren | (curious) |
| 17:00.51 | file | jbevren: yes |
| 17:00.55 | jbevren | I see |
| 17:00.59 | file | 183 contains SDP, the IP address+port but codec stuff |
| 17:01.08 | file | er but=plus |
| 17:01.09 | jbevren | I use a grandstream SIp adapter |
| 17:01.10 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:01.22 | file | codec neogitation is achieved with the INVITE |
| 17:01.37 | file | the INVITE contains all of the codecs that are enabled by the device |
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| 17:01.55 | file | the other side then says, "hrm... I want to use... this codec!" and sends back the codec to use in it's subsequent reply |
| 17:02.04 | file | either the 183 Session Progress, or 200 OK |
| 17:02.50 | file | you two should ask questions |
| 17:02.54 | file | I like explaining SIP |
| 17:04.01 | kergoth | what little i know, i grasp, and what i dont, i dont yet know enough to ask questions about :) |
| 17:04.05 | kergoth | but i will, rest assured |
| 17:04.09 | file | bah |
| 17:04.22 | file | wait until you get to the 5 ways you can send DTMF, or the 3 ways you can put someone on hold |
| 17:04.34 | kergoth | i should buy a microphone for home so i can play with such things |
| 17:04.52 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:05.02 | jbevren | I still dont have call waiting working :-P |
| 17:05.11 | file | that's up to the device |
| 17:05.24 | jbevren | nod |
| 17:05.27 | jbevren | My GS supports it |
| 17:05.29 | file | SIP doesn't care, it just throws another call at your silly device |
| 17:05.38 | jbevren | I get a british style double-ring mixed with audio when I get called while on the line |
| 17:05.48 | jbevren | however, when I flash hook, I lose both calls lol |
| 17:06.23 | sorphin | holy channel flood :P |
| 17:06.31 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:07.07 | file | I like VoIP. |
| 17:07.07 | sorphin | Ctrl-Esc in Screen doesn't work that well |
| 17:07.20 | jbevren | ctrl-a w |
| 17:07.21 | jbevren | :-P |
| 17:07.30 | jbevren | file: Me too. I got 3 uniden UIP200s on the awy |
| 17:07.32 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:07.44 | jbevren | I'll have my cordless on the GS, and a few UIP200s around the house |
| 17:08.03 | jbevren | I use a FXS card to deal with my landline :) |
| 17:09.22 | file[laptop] | bleh analog |
| 17:09.26 | kergoth | file: whats your opinion of teamspeak? |
| 17:09.39 | jbevren | however, I use VOIP for longdistance :) |
| 17:09.49 | file[laptop] | what's teamspeak? lol |
| 17:09.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:10.03 | jbevren | the landline is mostly there for E911 and my sister |
| 17:10.10 | jbevren | what's teamspeak? :) |
| 17:10.19 | jbevren | (thats an ugly hack waiting to be removed from the face of the earth) |
| 17:10.31 | file[laptop] | yay hack |
| 17:10.33 | jbevren | there's no reason to not use an already-established protocol |
| 17:10.48 | file[laptop] | kergoth: http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=802 |
| 17:10.51 | file[laptop] | that's what you should get! |
| 17:11.01 | file[laptop] | it contains everything a growing VoIP user needs |
| 17:11.09 | jbevren | I've -so- been pondering a wifi phone |
| 17:11.25 | jbevren | I want one that can be programmed |
| 17:11.35 | file[laptop] | don't we all? |
| 17:11.51 | jbevren | Nice.. the GS 496 has dual XFS |
| 17:12.18 | file[laptop] | hrm it sounds like the police are near |
| 17:12.26 | jbevren | file: run! |
| 17:12.39 | CosmicPenguin | He's in canada - what harm could they do? |
| 17:12.55 | jbevren | file: I'm really just after using it as a remote for my tv :) |
| 17:12.57 | file[laptop] | hit me with a stick! :( |
| 17:13.18 | jbevren | (aside from the obvious voip phone part) |
| 17:15.30 | file[laptop] | when I was at Cluecon |
| 17:15.36 | file[laptop] | it was 2AM in the morning, and we were all in the atrium |
| 17:15.48 | file[laptop] | we put three tables together, had our laptops out, was coding |
| 17:16.11 | file[laptop] | fine and dandy - power goes out because of a timer, so we rig something up using three extension cables to provide power |
| 17:16.40 | file[laptop] | then we go for internet access, so we string CAT5 cable through the halls to an access point at the top of a balcony |
| 17:16.59 | file[laptop] | who wants to guess what happened next? |
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| 17:29.55 | jbevren | what's with the n= in the uhosts? |
| 17:30.00 | jbevren | GPSFan__ [n=Ken@65.121.49.208] |
| 17:37.49 | kergoth | good question, been wondering that myself |
| 17:38.07 | file | identified |
| 17:41.36 | kergoth | pretty clean code |
| 17:41.55 | file | quite |
| 17:42.18 | file | the one thing about SER that I dislike though is that it forks a process for each IP plus type (UDP/TCP) |
| 17:42.59 | kergoth | yeah i saw that, pretty silly. too bad they didnt use threads |
| 17:43.19 | file | well, it's good - and bad |
| 17:43.39 | file | mostly bad when you're used to threads |
| 17:44.02 | file | it's like trying to do least cost routing, with in-memory storage |
| 17:44.24 | file | either have interprocess communication, shared memory, or have each forked process have it's own |
| 17:46.49 | chouimat | file: kergoth threads are hard to get right |
| 17:47.30 | jbevren | voipsupply.com spams me btw |
| 17:47.38 | jbevren | I have nfi how I got on their list |
| 17:48.19 | CosmicPenguin | It was me all the time! |
| 17:59.39 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart C++ |
| 18:01.33 | sorphin | the n means ident failed |
| 18:01.38 | sorphin | i means it succeeded |
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| 18:05.52 | jbevren | well, I wanted the info that GPSFan took pics of |
| 18:05.54 | jbevren | oop |
| 18:05.55 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:05.59 | jbevren | sorphin: ^ |
| 18:05.59 | jbevren | lol |
| 18:06.09 | sorphin | eh? |
| 18:06.17 | sorphin | what info? |
| 18:06.17 | jbevren | dropped the reply to the channel |
| 18:06.21 | sorphin | i know |
| 18:06.22 | jbevren | the resistor setup on the pll config? |
| 18:06.27 | sorphin | how it is now? |
| 18:06.31 | jbevren | how is ..? |
| 18:06.40 | jbevren | er |
| 18:06.40 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:06.45 | sorphin | if you'd speak english |
| 18:06.49 | sorphin | i'd understand you ;) |
| 18:06.57 | jbevren | I did |
| 18:07.02 | jbevren | :P |
| 18:07.04 | jbevren | anyway, no need |
| 18:07.06 | jbevren | get back to work etc :) |
| 18:07.26 | CosmicPenguin | Wait - sorphin is working? |
| 18:07.36 | sorphin | no |
| 18:07.39 | sorphin | i'm at home on lunch |
| 18:07.39 | CosmicPenguin | when did this revolting turn of events occur? |
| 18:08.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: now listen here you lower than squid guts AMD lackey |
| 18:08.23 | sorphin | i work atleast 1 day out of the week i'll have you know ;) |
| 18:08.39 | CosmicPenguin | Keepin' us safe from the scum of the internet |
| 18:08.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: tryin |
| 18:09.01 | sorphin | unfortunately |
| 18:09.05 | sorphin | there's too much scum |
| 18:13.26 | sorphin | uh |
| 18:13.34 | sorphin | there's no resistor on R101 on my board |
| 18:13.37 | sorphin | but there is on 106 :P |
| 18:17.34 | sorphin | granted it's a 000 on R101 |
| 18:20.42 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:23.24 | sorphin | err |
| 18:23.33 | sorphin | a 000 on 106 even |
| 18:23.41 | sorphin | 000 on 106, none on 101 |
| 18:23.47 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:23.48 | sorphin | so popping off 101 isn't really possible |
| 18:23.55 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:24.00 | jbevren | I'm going to have to get a tweezer tool yet |
| 18:24.47 | sorphin | Mac OS X Running on Non-Apple Hardware |
| 18:24.50 | sorphin | woo |
| 18:25.00 | sorphin | esp considering i have a copy of the dvd :P |
| 18:26.49 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:26.58 | jbevren | what is it running on :) |
| 18:28.02 | sorphin | ? |
| 18:28.15 | sorphin | taht was a /. headline |
| 18:28.31 | sorphin | bbl |
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| 18:48.12 | sorphin | well, mr Winamp's still getting attacked (well, atleast they claimed it was an attack)... the filter is, since saturday, when i put it in... 157711735184 bytes 5438335696 packets dropped |
| 18:48.34 | sorphin | 157G bytes |
| 18:48.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:48.55 | jbevren | winamp.com? |
| 18:49.04 | jbevren | prolly riaa :) |
| 18:49.23 | sorphin | no |
| 18:49.28 | sorphin | not winamp.com |
| 18:49.39 | sorphin | justin frankel's a dsl customer of XO |
| 18:49.43 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:51.08 | sorphin | didn't even recognize the name when the tkt came in till i googled |
| 18:51.37 | jbevren | so his dsl's under attack? |
| 18:51.45 | sorphin | i guess the llama decided to kick his ass |
| 18:51.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:51.59 | sorphin | yeah, possibly spoofed traffic |
| 18:52.09 | sorphin | because the source is a bank mailserver, from the traceroute |
| 18:52.14 | sorphin | and it's sourcing a weird port |
| 18:52.16 | jbevren | so how do you know this again? :) |
| 18:52.16 | sorphin | and sending udp |
| 18:52.33 | sorphin | jbevren: i'm network security for XO Communications |
| 18:52.37 | jbevren | ohhhh |
| 18:52.38 | jbevren | neat |
| 18:52.43 | sorphin | i help protect the core network |
| 18:52.58 | jbevren | ok |
| 18:52.59 | sorphin | jbevren: hence ComicPenguin's keeping the net safe comment |
| 18:53.04 | jbevren | turn my old employer off lol |
| 18:53.07 | jbevren | j/k |
| 18:53.20 | sorphin | jbevren: abuse@xo.com :P |
| 18:53.24 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:53.25 | sorphin | we don't do that here |
| 18:53.29 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:53.32 | jbevren | I know, twas a joke |
| 18:54.51 | jbevren | I'm abuse@hostgator.com |
| 18:54.52 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:54.59 | jbevren | sysadmin doing abuse |
| 18:55.06 | jbevren | not that I'm any good at the abuse part |
| 18:55.16 | sorphin | uh |
| 18:55.29 | jbevren | ahh |
| 18:55.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:55.37 | jbevren | I moved up from level1 support |
| 18:55.42 | jbevren | well, Ive been doing level3 junk for years |
| 18:55.49 | jbevren | but my previous employer wouldnt divide support into levels |
| 18:55.57 | jbevren | I kinda barely know networking |
| 18:55.58 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:56.04 | sorphin | brb |
| 19:13.33 | sorphin | back |
| 19:14.11 | file | I've been given the task |
| 19:14.17 | file | of talking to Level3... about nationwide DIDs |
| 19:16.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:16.38 | file[laptop] | it's suicide, it really is |
| 19:16.42 | sorphin | Level3 is who provides our fiber |
| 19:27.09 | CosmicPenguin | I know lots of dudes that work for l3 |
| 19:29.34 | file[laptop] | the problem is that for VoIP, you have to do A LOT of traffic before they even return your phone calls |
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| 20:48.23 | GPSFan__ | sorphin: found out why the baud rate was hosed, the bgr is clocked from the SDRAM clock, which went up to 133MHz. |
| 20:52.37 | jbevren | Matrox - Parhelia PCI 64-bit/66Mhz |
| 20:52.38 | jbevren | :-O |
| 21:01.02 | sorphin | GPSFan__: so... can we get around that? |
| 21:02.46 | GPSFan__ | sorphin:will depend on whether the box runs at the higher speed, if so a change in the divisor in ppcboot & the serial driver might do it. |
| 21:04.23 | jbevren | have you tried a custom baud rate to match the (scaled) increase in sdram clock speed on the terminal? |
| 21:04.42 | GPSFan__ | sorphin: there doesn't seem to be a pll cfg that has 100mhz memory clock & 333MHz cpu clock. |
| 21:05.48 | GPSFan__ | jbevren: no, I haven't gotten back to experimenting as yet.. |
| 21:06.49 | jbevren | ah ok |
| 21:09.28 | jbevren | jsut a thought :) |
| 21:10.14 | sorphin | GPSFan__: uhh |
| 21:10.20 | sorphin | the memory in the machine is PC133 |
| 21:11.03 | sorphin | the chip can certainly do 333 |
| 21:11.19 | sorphin | so there's gotta be a way to do it |
| 21:12.43 | GPSFan__ | sorphin: didn't say there wasn't, it's just that I don't know how yet.. |
| 21:13.52 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:14.06 | sorphin | ken ken he's our man if he can't do it, no one can ;) |
| 21:16.17 | jbevren | nod. The firmware is decidedly hardcoded to 300mhz periph clock |
| 21:16.22 | jbevren | er, not 300 |
| 21:16.23 | jbevren | 100. :) |
| 21:17.16 | sorphin | eh? |
| 21:17.24 | sorphin | well, we have the firmware |
| 21:17.27 | jbevren | yeah |
| 21:17.47 | jbevren | so if it can be recoded to compensate for the increased periph clock while initializing the serial ports, cha-ching :) |
| 21:17.53 | jbevren | I want mine :( |
| 21:33.59 | sorphin | jbevren: it even in IA yet? |
| 21:34.55 | jbevren | shhh |
| 21:34.55 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:35.00 | jbevren | arrived indiana |
| 21:35.16 | jbevren | indiana's their big sort facility |
| 21:35.19 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:35.23 | sorphin | so is Memphis |
| 21:35.34 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.45 | jbevren | nod |
| 21:35.48 | jbevren | well, these originated in NYC |
| 21:35.56 | jbevren | so it was probably flown to indianapolis |
| 21:36.04 | jbevren | and it'll probably be in flight to waterloo and trucked here |
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| 22:04.13 | sorphin | uhh |
| 22:04.14 | sorphin | no |
| 22:04.15 | sorphin | not NYC |
| 22:04.18 | sorphin | MD |
| 22:04.29 | jbevren | wotever hehe |
| 22:04.34 | jbevren | nyc's where my phones are :) |
| 22:04.36 | jbevren | my bad |
| 22:04.39 | jbevren | bye |
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| 22:32.54 | GPSFan__ | sorphin: figured out why the ppc system didn't like my usb2 card. the PCI 5v was connected to the PCI 3.3VI/O pins. I might try cutting them loose since there is a 3.3v regulator for the usb2 chip. |
| 22:33.16 | GPSFan__ | that's on the card, not the ppc system. |
| 22:34.21 | GPSFan__ | probably similar on my 1394 card. |
| 22:34.57 | sorphin | jbevren: he's shipping priority mail |
| 22:35.13 | sorphin | yeah |
| 22:35.22 | sorphin | GPSFan__: make sure if you boot |
| 22:35.25 | sorphin | lspci -v |
| 22:35.33 | sorphin | better looking :) |
| 22:35.42 | sorphin | to me anyways |
| 22:35.49 | sorphin | the diag crap is a bit... disorganized |
| 22:36.19 | file[laptop] | silly PPC obsessed people |
| 22:36.39 | GPSFan__ | yeah. silly indeed |
| 22:36.52 | sorphin | file[laptop]: you're just jealous, josh |
| 22:36.53 | sorphin | :P |
| 22:37.19 | sorphin | GPSFan__: oh, btw |
| 22:37.29 | sorphin | monmotha is gonna be digging back into the dct5k stuff |
| 22:37.48 | sorphin | so we could prolly use you on taht if you can spare more cycles too, heh |
| 22:37.52 | file[laptop] | pfft |
| 22:38.07 | sorphin | file[laptop]: i remember you obsessing over devices |
| 22:38.13 | GPSFan__ | sorphin: cool, maybe he will figure a way to get something in without a rom emulator. |
| 22:38.16 | sorphin | like a nino |
| 22:38.16 | file[laptop] | true |
| 22:38.19 | sorphin | etc |
| 22:38.36 | sorphin | GPSFan__: he talked about what you did, a flash device |
| 22:39.02 | sorphin | tho he thought someone mentioned shoving something into the onboard flash and the rom passing off |
| 22:39.36 | MonMotha | I thought I had read somewhere that the stock ROM would boot stuff out of onboard flash if you put certain magic numbers in certain places to tell it to do so |
| 22:39.52 | MonMotha | otherwise, I believe there was a flash equiv of the mask ROM, and I have access to a programmer |
| 22:39.55 | GPSFan__ | there is a lot of stuff in the rom, needs some more dissassembly work |
| 22:41.10 | GPSFan__ | getting stuff into the onboard flash would be a nice trick too. |
| 22:41.26 | sorphin | btw |
| 22:41.33 | MonMotha | there's a JTAG header; I presume the JTAG tests for that proc are documented in the docs |
| 22:41.36 | sorphin | i think i figured out why just boot worked (maybe) |
| 22:41.55 | sorphin | GPSFan__: bootcmd=run bootstr |
| 22:42.00 | sorphin | and at the end of bootstr |
| 22:42.02 | sorphin | was the bootm |
| 22:42.12 | sorphin | cuz the bootstr was still being passed to the kernel |
| 22:42.20 | sorphin | even if i just 'boot''d |
| 22:42.45 | GPSFan__ | sorphin: ah! |
| 22:42.50 | sorphin | MonMotha: you can sample the jtag cables |
| 22:42.53 | sorphin | GPSFan__: ;) |
| 22:43.34 | MonMotha | well, the header at least |
| 22:44.02 | sorphin | the header is there |
| 22:44.06 | sorphin | already |
| 22:44.13 | MonMotha | the header for the ribbon I meant |
| 22:44.20 | sorphin | you sample a lil cable w/ the connector on it |
| 22:44.20 | MonMotha | or do they sell full assemblies with ribbon? |
| 22:44.26 | MonMotha | ah, neat |
| 22:44.27 | sorphin | you sample a lil cable w/ the connector on it <----- |
| 22:44.32 | sorphin | that's how me and ken got them |
| 22:44.40 | GPSFan__ | MonMotha: I rang out the connections to the cpu for that connector. |
| 22:44.52 | MonMotha | yeah, it was in the wiki somewhere |
| 22:44.55 | sorphin | doh |
| 22:45.07 | sorphin | GPSFan__: Wrong Image Type for bootm command |
| 22:45.32 | GPSFan__ | samtec is where I got the sample cable, somewhere I have the p/n for it. |
| 22:45.35 | sorphin | yep |
| 22:45.40 | sorphin | i prolly still have it too |
| 22:46.19 | sorphin | well hell |
| 22:46.23 | sorphin | taking away bootcmd |
| 22:46.29 | sorphin | throws you into monitor |
| 22:48.46 | sorphin | boots |
| 22:48.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:48.56 | sorphin | and ther's the delayed delay loop |
| 22:52.22 | sorphin | heh, maybe i need quotes |
| 22:55.07 | sorphin | GPSFan__: in ppcboot, it's the sandpoint board again, heh |
| 23:08.58 | GPSFan__ | sorphin: isn't the sandpoint board the motorola reference design? |
| 23:11.44 | jbevren | hmm |
| 23:11.46 | jbevren | now for the fun |
| 23:11.52 | jbevren | remembering how to configure an HP envizex |
| 23:11.57 | jbevren | :) |
| 23:26.37 | sorphin | jbevren: he's shipping it tomorrow |
| 23:26.43 | sorphin | GPSFan__: yes |
| 23:27.06 | sorphin | the A3000 isn't really that special design wise |
| 23:27.12 | sorphin | it's just an implementation |
| 23:32.59 | sorphin | ok |
| 23:33.01 | sorphin | this is just sick |
| 23:33.02 | sorphin | The NetBSD Toaster |
| 23:34.03 | jbevren | woo |
| 23:34.12 | jbevren | Xt almost online |
| 23:34.14 | jbevren | hehe |
| 23:34.19 | sorphin | ? |
| 23:37.22 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
| 23:39.21 | sorphin | jbevren: waht're you on about now? |
| 23:41.47 | CosmicPenguin | I think that sorphin and jbevren have owned 95% of the log for the last week or so |
| 23:42.06 | CosmicPenguin | It would be fun to parse the ibot logs and elect the "big mouth of the week" award |
| 23:43.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yes, you would |
| 23:43.37 | sorphin | :) |
| 23:44.00 | sorphin | as would plague if you searched for zipit and ARM |
| 23:47.11 | jbevren | woohoo |
| 23:47.12 | jbevren | finished :) |
| 23:49.40 | sorphin | umm... ok |
| 23:49.59 | jbevren | I typoed in /etc/exports and couldnt figure out why the Xterm couldnt mount its bindir |
| 23:50.00 | jbevren | lol |
| 23:50.17 | sorphin | ah |
| 23:50.53 | jbevren | so now I have a (8bpp) xterm in the garage |
| 23:51.18 | sorphin | uh |
| 23:51.19 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/elinux.html.gz |
| 23:51.22 | sorphin | we're happy for you? |
| 23:51.37 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: those are daily and not archived. |
| 23:52.15 | sorphin | :P |
| 23:52.26 | *** join/#elinux Soopaman (n=soopaman@HSE-Montreal-ppp143051.sympatico.ca) |
| 23:52.30 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 23:52.39 | sorphin | Is file[laptop] stupid or just asking too many questions? 26.6% lines contained a question! |
| 23:52.45 | sorphin | The loudest one was file, who yelled 6.6% of the time! |
| 23:52.45 | jbevren | yeah and you should be |
| 23:52.47 | jbevren | hehe j/k |
| 23:52.55 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, isn't that cute |
| 23:53.02 | sorphin | It seems that jbevren's shift-key is hanging: 2.4% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE. |
| 23:53.08 | sorphin | For example, like this: |
| 23:53.09 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.25 | sorphin | haha |
| 23:53.31 | jbevren | :) |
| 23:53.31 | sorphin | sorphin spoke a total of 1198 words! |
| 23:53.32 | sorphin | sorphin's faithful follower, GPSFan, didn't speak so much: 700 words. |
| 23:53.37 | sorphin | my faithful follower? |
| 23:54.27 | CosmicPenguin | Thats so funny |
| 23:54.29 | sorphin | hehe |
| 23:54.30 | sorphin | Nobody is foul-mouthed in #eLinux! Get out much? |
| 23:55.02 | sorphin | i nbig numbers |
| 23:55.03 | sorphin | in even |
| 23:55.04 | CosmicPenguin | about right there linux board |
| 23:55.06 | sorphin | just above |
| 23:55.12 | CosmicPenguin | I'm number 4 |
| 23:55.45 | sorphin | you were #5 |
| 23:56.10 | sorphin | apparently mr file's just a loudmouth |
| 23:56.17 | CosmicPenguin | You are right |
| 23:57.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:57.40 | sorphin | 16 sjhill 33 today "prpplague: they have owls in Barbados?" |
| 23:57.43 | CosmicPenguin | There is no more useless yet totally awesome page on the internet then that one right there |
| 23:57.49 | sorphin | yep |
| 23:58.26 | sorphin | who surprisingly didn't trigger the foul-mouth |
| 23:58.29 | CosmicPenguin | hehe |
| 23:59.10 | GPSFan__ | sorphin: recognize where we got the ppc boxes? http://wifinetnews.com/ |
| 23:59.44 | jbevren | left indianapolis :) |
| 23:59.54 | sorphin | jbevren: maybe i'll sneak in tonight |
