| 00:04.05 | CosmicPenguin | I'm leaving, but if somebody sees the plague, tell them I'm looking for him |
| 00:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | and I have a bat |
| 00:36.02 | jbevren | hehe |
| 00:36.04 | jbevren | froze the thing |
| 00:36.08 | jbevren | Filename 'zimage.ppc'. |
| 00:36.08 | jbevren | Load address: 0x0 |
| 00:36.09 | jbevren | Loading: # |
| 00:36.10 | jbevren | (dead) |
| 00:44.26 | jbevren | yep. |
| 00:44.28 | jbevren | I suck. |
| 00:44.32 | jbevren | didnt include a serial driver |
| 00:44.33 | jbevren | :-D |
| 00:54.30 | GPSFan | jbevren: I got the example in the software manual on page 18 to work via tftp. the kernel then ran, I didn't load the ramdisk so it crashed looking for init, but it ran. |
| 00:54.41 | jbevren | ah |
| 00:54.43 | jbevren | well, |
| 00:54.47 | jbevren | I forgot to type a loadaddr |
| 00:54.53 | jbevren | so I imagine it jusst smashed the system vectors |
| 00:54.58 | GPSFan | ah.. might help. |
| 00:55.42 | GPSFan | yeah, loading at 0x0 is probably not a good idea. ;>) |
| 00:57.12 | jbevren | something else I didnt do was make sandpoint_defconfig |
| 00:57.12 | jbevren | lol |
| 00:57.32 | GPSFan | did you re-compile the kernel? |
| 00:58.30 | jbevren | playing with 2.6.11 |
| 00:58.44 | jbevren | I havent been arsed into walking the CD to a system with a cdrom drive yet |
| 00:58.51 | jbevren | :-D |
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| 02:22.15 | sorphin | funny how that patch on a torrent that you need for x86.. is MIA now |
| 02:22.23 | sorphin | prolly cdm's fault ;) since it's not his dept |
| 02:26.13 | sorphin | Soopaman: having probs? |
| 02:26.22 | sorphin | you're reconnected more today than anyone i've ever seen |
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| 03:47.09 | Roey | hi |
| 03:47.11 | Roey | anyone here? :) |
| 03:48.40 | chouimat | no |
| 03:49.07 | Roey | chouimat: *you* |
| 03:49.11 | chouimat | haha |
| 03:49.17 | Roey | :) |
| 03:49.22 | Roey | hello Mathieu |
| 03:49.41 | Roey | chouimat: I'm looking to make a small laptop/general machine replacement |
| 03:49.44 | Roey | More specifically: |
| 03:49.56 | Roey | a computer about the size of a deck of playing cards |
| 03:49.58 | Roey | that has: |
| 03:50.02 | Roey | - an ethernet port |
| 03:50.10 | Roey | - a plug for power |
| 03:50.16 | Roey | - usb ports for keyboard and mouse |
| 03:50.21 | Roey | - a video jack |
| 03:50.31 | Roey | (not jack; port rather) |
| 03:50.36 | Roey | 1 GB of RAM |
| 03:50.44 | Roey | 400 or 800 Mhz PowerPC cpu |
| 03:50.58 | Roey | and an SD/MMC or CompactFlash |
| 03:51.04 | Roey | eh? |
| 03:51.05 | Roey | what do you think |
| 03:51.17 | Roey | you attach an external 16 GB flash drive to it |
| 03:53.21 | chouimat | Roey: some in here will give a better answer than me :) |
| 03:53.27 | Roey | ah :) |
| 03:53.38 | Roey | chouimat: that'd be quite nice as a desktop replacement I think |
| 03:53.41 | Roey | I wouldn't need to compile |
| 03:53.47 | Roey | I'd just be using a plain old distro |
| 03:54.07 | Roey | but |
| 03:54.08 | Roey | no noise |
| 03:54.10 | Roey | no heat |
| 03:54.10 | Roey | :) |
| 03:54.19 | Roey | and you could drop it |
| 03:55.22 | chouimat | Roey: just get a mac mini :) |
| 03:55.29 | Roey | oh |
| 03:55.30 | Roey | hmm |
| 03:55.30 | Roey | :) |
| 03:55.32 | Roey | oh rigth |
| 03:55.40 | Roey | what kind of HD does a mac mini ave? |
| 03:55.41 | Roey | have |
| 03:55.42 | Roey | 2.5"? |
| 03:55.54 | chouimat | don't know |
| 03:56.21 | Roey | ok |
| 03:56.24 | Roey | it's too big though |
| 03:56.33 | Roey | I'm more interested in something the size of a pack of cards |
| 03:56.38 | Roey | oh |
| 03:56.43 | Roey | maybe cd would be important, right. |
| 03:58.12 | sorphin | 2.5 |
| 03:58.19 | Roey | hmm |
| 03:58.23 | Roey | see, I don't care for the CD |
| 03:58.29 | Roey | it makes the thing too big in my opinion |
| 03:58.44 | Roey | samsung is due to release a 1.8 inch 16 GB flash drive (that of course has wear leveling) |
| 03:58.53 | file[lap1op] | am I crazy for calling Dell and asking for drive rails? |
| 03:59.01 | sorphin[mini] | /me waves FROM his mini |
| 03:59.01 | sorphin[mini] | :P |
| 03:59.16 | Roey | can you put two 1.8 inch drives in the space of one 2.5 inch bay/ |
| 03:59.17 | Roey | ? |
| 03:59.18 | sorphin | oh goodie, spaces |
| 03:59.32 | sorphin | Roey: prolly a tight fit height wise |
| 03:59.37 | Roey | ok |
| 03:59.42 | Roey | hmm |
| 03:59.42 | chouimat | sorphin: please this nice guy |
| 03:59.52 | sorphin | chouimat: heh |
| 03:59.52 | Roey | hahahah |
| 04:00.04 | sorphin | chouimat: calm down frenchy :P |
| 04:00.11 | Roey | aww |
| 04:00.23 | chouimat | sorphin: he's another KDE guy who want to know more about bare metal stuff :) |
| 04:00.24 | Roey | chouimat: see, the mini is *big* |
| 04:00.32 | sorphin | Roey: oh c'mon :P |
| 04:00.35 | Roey | wooohoo! :) |
| 04:00.36 | sorphin | the mini is nice |
| 04:00.41 | file[lap1op] | it's not the size mate, it's how you use it |
| 04:00.45 | Roey | sorphin: I want something I can carry around in my pocketses |
| 04:00.47 | sorphin | file[lap1op]: ;) |
| 04:00.54 | Roey | sorphin: and that it makes no noise. |
| 04:00.57 | sorphin | Roey: then you'll never have a 400mhz ppc :P |
| 04:01.09 | sorphin | w/ 16G flash |
| 04:01.11 | sorphin | .... |
| 04:01.11 | Roey | sorphin: actually black dog linux has a 400 mhz ppc |
| 04:01.13 | Roey | I think |
| 04:01.20 | Roey | sorphin: I just want /no noise/ |
| 04:01.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:01.29 | Roey | also you can't upgrade the powerpc mac mini past 1 GB of RAM |
| 04:01.32 | sorphin | my mini makes no noise that i ever hear |
| 04:01.55 | file[lap1op] | if I call Dell and ask for hardrive rails for my system, will they send me them for free? |
| 04:02.02 | sorphin | file[lap1op]: no |
| 04:02.25 | sorphin[mini] | you'll have to sacrifice your soul to Michael Dell |
| 04:02.33 | file[lap1op] | well I already have a support contract and stuff |
| 04:02.45 | sorphin[mini] | that only covers warranty crap :P |
| 04:02.54 | file[lap1op] | I'll make it cover other stuff |
| 04:02.56 | file[lap1op] | I'm the master! |
| 04:03.03 | sorphin | bater maybe :P |
| 04:03.07 | sorphin | but that's not the issue |
| 04:03.22 | sorphin[mini] | you can try, but i doubt it |
| 04:03.40 | file[lap1op] | I have a broken CD-ROM drive too, cheap bastards |
| 04:04.10 | sorphin | Dude! You Bought Garbage! |
| 04:04.11 | sorphin | ;) |
| 04:04.21 | file[lap1op] | actually everything else is great about this system |
| 04:04.25 | file[lap1op] | it was cheap :P |
| 04:04.35 | sorphin | and you got what you paid for |
| 04:04.53 | file[lap1op] | pfft |
| 04:05.11 | sorphin | i.e. the sun gear, sgi gear, crystal pcs, the ppc boards |
| 04:08.02 | Roey | dance more, slave! |
| 04:08.05 | Roey | hee hee |
| 04:08.18 | Roey | aww |
| 04:09.59 | file[lap1op] | ooh, the Blackberry? |
| 04:10.42 | file[lap1op] | too bad it has a horrible SIP stack :P |
| 04:10.48 | sorphin | hehe |
| 04:10.58 | sorphin | file[lap1op]: work changed from Nextel to TMobile |
| 04:11.10 | sorphin | now i keep hearing that damn tone from the commercial (it uses that as a ring) |
| 04:11.14 | file[lap1op] | haha |
| 04:15.41 | file[lap1op] | and I feeeel like I just got home and I feeeeel |
| 04:16.20 | file[lap1op] | she's got herself a little piecec of heaven |
| 04:16.39 | sorphin | "it's more dance friendly" |
| 04:17.34 | Roey | file[lap1op]: you're a woman? |
| 04:17.44 | sorphin | ha |
| 04:17.46 | sorphin | no |
| 04:17.48 | sorphin | file's a dude |
| 04:17.48 | Roey | oh |
| 04:17.52 | Roey | ah |
| 04:18.00 | sorphin | he's just canadian ;) |
| 04:18.06 | Roey | sorphin: then who is the 'she' who's got a piece of heaven?? |
| 04:18.13 | sorphin | Roey: he's singing |
| 04:18.18 | sorphin | from the song he's listening to |
| 04:18.30 | file[lap1op] | cheeky bastard :P |
| 04:18.44 | Roey | ohhhhh |
| 04:18.49 | Roey | I was thinking |
| 04:18.57 | file[lap1op] | thinking is bad for your health |
| 04:19.00 | sorphin | file[lap1op]: i coulda say you're a strange transvestite that is obsessed w/ SIP |
| 04:19.07 | file[lap1op] | O.o |
| 04:19.20 | file[lap1op] | DDR2 533MHz PC4200 RAM anyone? |
| 04:19.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:19.42 | sorphin | my P4 board uses 3200 |
| 04:19.53 | Roey | maybe a lot of women have an ability that men don't when it comes to computing, and that is being able to take a step back and realize that they're just sitting in front of a box when they compute. So why not lower the heat, lower the noise, pretty it up with some color or flowers or something.. |
| 04:20.09 | sorphin | uhhhh |
| 04:20.21 | sorphin | chouimat: yeah, he's a KDE developer alright ;) |
| 04:20.25 | sorphin | warped his brain :P |
| 04:20.30 | file[lap1op] | haha my playlist is now on, Call Me by Blondie |
| 04:20.31 | file[lap1op] | how creepy |
| 04:20.34 | chouimat | sorphin: :) |
| 04:21.27 | sorphin | Roey: i'm that way to everyone ;) |
| 04:21.32 | Roey | +10 HEART |
| 04:21.34 | Roey | all the way |
| 04:21.48 | sorphin | Roey: chouimat knows i'm kidding |
| 04:22.03 | Roey | sorphin: you got 10 GP! |
| 04:22.09 | Roey | sorphin: you got 100 XP! |
| 04:22.13 | sorphin | uhh |
| 04:22.18 | Roey | sorphin: level up! |
| 04:22.26 | file[lap1op] | sorphin gains -100 experience points reading the SIP RFC! |
| 04:22.36 | chouimat | Roey: don't mind sorphin ... he sound rude but he's a fucking nice guy |
| 04:22.40 | chouimat | sorphin: Tim |
| 04:22.41 | Roey | sorphin: you learned BROW |
| 04:22.45 | chouimat | err sorry tim |
| 04:23.13 | sorphin | "How about a set of truly Pythonic bindings?" w/ a post by Roey Katz |
| 04:23.19 | Roey | oh |
| 04:23.20 | sorphin | Pythonic bindings |
| 04:23.22 | Roey | what about that? :) |
| 04:23.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:23.29 | Roey | sorphin: you googled me! how sweet! |
| 04:23.54 | Roey | that's the first time where I'm not the one talking about that post of mine |
| 04:24.02 | Roey | sorphin: I am Roey |
| 04:24.14 | file[lap1op] | very descripitive |
| 04:24.15 | sorphin | but that tells me very little |
| 04:24.22 | sorphin | that's like saying file is file |
| 04:24.27 | Roey | well yes but |
| 04:24.30 | Roey | - I am Roey - |
| 04:24.38 | file[lap1op] | - I am File - |
| 04:24.45 | Roey | File has nothing to do with this! |
| 04:24.51 | file[lap1op] | or do I? |
| 04:24.55 | Roey | :) |
| 04:24.59 | Roey | me is 25/m/usa |
| 04:25.05 | sorphin | chouimat: tim's not here btw |
| 04:25.06 | Roey | let's put it that way first |
| 04:25.08 | Roey | um |
| 04:25.09 | file[lap1op] | oh no, not asl |
| 04:25.27 | chouimat | sorphin: I know but he;s has log :) |
| 04:25.34 | Roey | vegan, conservative, pro-cannabis (though I don't do it personally b/c it's illegal in the US) |
| 04:25.36 | sorphin | file is 2/file/canada |
| 04:25.44 | sorphin | :) |
| 04:25.48 | file[lap1op] | yay daddy sorphin |
| 04:26.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:26.13 | file[lap1op] | booooooo I don't wanna go to the corner for punishment, there's no wifi or ethernet there! |
| 04:26.35 | Roey | pro-israel, jewish, esperantist (well... komencanto), and into drawing, piano, programming, gym, kde, python and debian |
| 04:26.41 | Roey | that's me in a nutshell |
| 04:26.41 | sorphin | Roey: ok, ok |
| 04:27.24 | Roey | into anime too |
| 04:27.33 | file[lap1op] | but bah |
| 04:27.35 | chouimat | ok I have to go to kapuskasing this weekend :( so I wonder if go to sleep or I sleep during the rid |
| 04:27.53 | Roey | anime, (good quality) anthropomorphic art, and non-anime artwork. |
| 04:27.55 | sorphin | chouimat: how long is the ride? |
| 04:28.05 | chouimat | sorphin: 800km |
| 04:28.09 | Roey | sorphin: well I do hang out in many channels |
| 04:28.21 | Roey | sorphin: I'm not known for development though |
| 04:28.29 | Roey | mighty sorphin power rangers? |
| 04:28.34 | sorphin | uh |
| 04:28.34 | sorphin | no |
| 04:28.45 | sorphin | chouimat: sleep during the ride |
| 04:28.58 | sorphin | it'll take a while ;) |
| 04:30.01 | chouimat | sorphin: and La Pocatiere is 600Km from Ottawa |
| 04:31.46 | sorphin | sleep on the ride ;p |
| 04:31.53 | sorphin | wtf else will you do? |
| 04:39.30 | sorphin | grr |
| 04:39.41 | sorphin | how the fsck to you /me with a /msg ? |
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| 04:46.00 | xscale2go | Is a read-only EXT2 system compatible with any other disk format, like EXT3 or JFFS? |
| 04:46.25 | sorphin | ext3 is just an extension to ext2 |
| 04:46.38 | sorphin | that adds journaling |
| 04:46.40 | sorphin | so... |
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| 05:30.35 | sorphin | and there's mr miata |
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| 13:33.53 | jbevren | re |
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| 15:41.10 | Roey | hi sorphin |
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| 19:18.24 | TimRiker | someone hacked the OMAP USB reflash protocol and wrote a linux replacement. ;-) http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/FlashRecoveryUtility |
| 19:29.42 | file[laptop] | Tim! |
| 19:41.28 | MonMotha | hello TimRiker |
| 19:42.09 | pb_ | hi monmotha |
| 19:42.42 | MonMotha | hello |
| 19:53.12 | sorphin | you could always 'make' one too |
| 19:53.28 | MonMotha | true, just use a couple of 8bit wide ones |
| 19:53.34 | MonMotha | program the upper and lower bytes |
| 19:54.46 | sorphin | yep |
| 19:56.55 | MonMotha | this is one of those rare cases where I've got the datasheet but can't find a place to buy the part in small quantity. Usually I've got the part and no docs :) |
| 19:57.08 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:57.22 | sorphin | what part #/man? |
| 19:57.38 | MonMotha | 29L1611 from Macronix should work |
| 19:57.56 | MonMotha | I haven't tried variations from different families yet |
| 19:58.16 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:58.25 | sorphin | any place you can sample from? |
| 19:58.46 | MonMotha | not that I found. seems to be EOL :( |
| 19:59.17 | sorphin | only place i've ever had reject my sample req was Atmel (for a crypto chip) and littelfuse for the triacs (they bought the company that made them) |
| 19:59.19 | sorphin | hmm |
| 19:59.27 | sorphin | and no 'replacement'? |
| 19:59.36 | MonMotha | heh, Atmel was very happy to give me freebies, but I called them as a student |
| 19:59.47 | MonMotha | and it was just a microcontroller not something they wanted to keep secret |
| 19:59.55 | MonMotha | I haven't checked w/ macronix yet |
| 20:00.00 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:00.01 | MonMotha | I'm goign to go tune up this radio really quick |
| 20:00.03 | sorphin | worth a shot |
| 20:00.09 | MonMotha | yeah, they may have a few laying around |
| 20:00.35 | MonMotha | I picked up 3 450MHz radios at Dayton for $1, then spent $40 on a pair of crystals to use it on an amateur frequency :) |
| 20:00.40 | MonMotha | it does work,just need to tune up the final amp |
| 20:00.51 | sorphin | or atleast have a current part that equiv's it |
| 20:01.01 | sorphin | 440? |
| 20:01.22 | MonMotha | yup, I have a pair for the calling frequency |
| 20:01.25 | MonMotha | 446MHz IIRC |
| 20:01.55 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:02.10 | MonMotha | I'm going to be at Rose tomorrow. I'll check to see if our programmers can do th 29L1611 |
| 20:02.42 | sorphin | k |
| 20:03.03 | sorphin | hopefully so |
| 20:03.23 | MonMotha | if not, I can whip up a board with a couple 8-bit wide ones pretty quick |
| 20:03.30 | MonMotha | Rose has the capacity to make simple boards like that |
| 20:03.53 | MonMotha | what's a good bootloader to use for this? |
| 20:03.57 | MonMotha | I've not done Linux on MIPS before |
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| 20:04.11 | sorphin | um |
| 20:04.36 | sorphin | i don't remember what the wrt uses (And it's mips)... sjhill would know |
| 20:04.45 | MonMotha | ok |
| 20:06.34 | GPSFan | sorphin: afternoon.. |
| 20:07.30 | MonMotha | hum, I wonder if the filter caps on this power supply are big enough...it only runs the receiver for 3-4 seconds after I turn it off :) |
| 20:07.32 | sorphin | GPSFan: ello ken |
| 20:07.41 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh |
| 20:08.06 | MonMotha | 35mF (yes, millifarad) |
| 20:08.31 | sorphin | MonMotha: seeing some refs to uboot for things that don't have a bootrom |
| 20:08.40 | GPSFan | sorphin: been trying to re-compile the ppc kernel, no joy sofar. ;>( using my toolchain it compiles but doesn't run, their toolchain errors out during make dep. ;>( |
| 20:09.24 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:09.38 | sorphin | GPSFan: i'll try later.. i'll also try my tivo ppc toolchain |
| 20:10.15 | MonMotha | is the proc in the DCT5k already supported by anything? |
| 20:10.18 | GPSFan | looks like their toolchain is looking for kernel headers where they are not. |
| 20:10.27 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:10.34 | sorphin | 1 sec.. |
| 20:10.37 | MonMotha | GPSFan: symlink? |
| 20:11.11 | GPSFan | sorphin: maybe, |
| 20:12.20 | sorphin | copying over the toolchain now |
| 20:13.16 | sorphin | ok that's done |
| 20:13.47 | sorphin | as: unrecognized option `-mppc' |
| 20:13.47 | sorphin | init/main.c: In function `quiet_kernel': |
| 20:13.48 | sorphin | init/main.c:215: output pipe has been closed |
| 20:14.08 | GPSFan | sorphin: I didn't install it where they wanted it /usr/local/ 'cause it world write all over stuff I already had there, that must be the problem, they have a hardcoded path somewhere. |
| 20:14.27 | sorphin | i don't have anything they would have overwritten |
| 20:14.34 | sorphin | my tivo stuff is in tivo-ppc and mips-tivo |
| 20:14.47 | MonMotha | GPSFan: I believe gcc ends up with hardcoded paths unless you take pains to not make it do so |
| 20:14.52 | sorphin | it looks like it's calling the wrong AS tho |
| 20:15.10 | sorphin | MonMotha: sometimes you can edit gcc's config |
| 20:16.06 | MonMotha | "take pains to not make it do so" :) |
| 20:16.37 | sorphin | wonder what's the the AS issue |
| 20:17.05 | sorphin | course i coudl force gcc to play nicely |
| 20:17.12 | GPSFan | MonMotha: my toolchain builds it all fine, (buildroot) but the kernel doesn't put any msgs on the console. I'll keep pokeing at it... |
| 20:17.18 | sorphin | GPSFan: don't forget, you can set env variables |
| 20:17.30 | sorphin | for the paths to all the tools |
| 20:17.35 | sorphin | AS, LD, CC, etc |
| 20:17.54 | MonMotha | well, for the kernel, you can just set CROSS_COMPILE |
| 20:18.01 | sorphin | well |
| 20:18.08 | sorphin | it's using the right gcc |
| 20:18.29 | sorphin | just the wrong as |
| 20:19.40 | MonMotha | that could cause problems |
| 20:20.35 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:20.40 | sorphin | it's set ok in the make file |
| 20:20.55 | sorphin | CROSS_COMPILE = /usr/local/bin/powerpc-linux- |
| 20:21.03 | sorphin | AS = $(CROSS_COMPILE)as |
| 20:25.40 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:25.48 | sorphin | maybe i'll point it at my tivo ppc chain |
| 20:33.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:33.15 | sorphin | fuckers |
| 20:33.19 | sorphin | init/main.c:79: #error Sorry, your GCC is too old. It builds incorrect kernels. |
| 20:35.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:35.04 | sorphin | fork.c:526: fixed or forbidden register was spilled. |
| 20:35.04 | sorphin | This may be due to a compiler bug or to impossible asm |
| 20:35.04 | sorphin | statements or clauses. |
| 20:35.09 | sorphin | ok, i'm done now :P |
| 20:36.23 | GPSFan | sorphin: gee, what version of gcc? |
| 20:37.26 | sorphin | 2.8.1 |
| 20:37.31 | sorphin | that's what tivo used |
| 20:38.29 | GPSFan | ah, I think 2.95.3 or .4 is the min recommended for kernels >2.4.?? (18) |
| 20:38.36 | sorphin | yeah yeah i know |
| 20:38.41 | sorphin | wanted to see if it would even build |
| 20:46.02 | GPSFan | found it!! there was a script (mkzipimage) in the kernel src root that you were supposed to use, it couldn't find powerpc-linux-objcopy and screwed up the zimage. this is with my 2.95.4 ppc toolchain. this kernel is almost exactly the same size as the supplied one. It boots & runs ok. |
| 20:46.28 | GPSFan | their toolchain sucks rocks. |
| 20:47.10 | GPSFan | the root password for the ramdisk from the cd is artis, heh |
| 20:48.38 | GPSFan | " Linux A3000 2.4.19-pre8 #3 Sat Aug 13 14:37:59 MDT 2005 ppc unknown " |
| 20:49.23 | sorphin | right |
| 20:49.29 | sorphin | as it says on the paper we got |
| 20:49.35 | sorphin | GPSFan: you'll note |
| 20:49.40 | sorphin | the supplied ramdisk doesn't ahve their scripts either |
| 20:49.48 | sorphin | that they have on the flash one |
| 20:50.07 | GPSFan | yep, and it doesn't hang at the bogomips calc either. |
| 20:50.31 | sorphin | mine didn't always hang there |
| 20:50.33 | sorphin | just sometimes |
| 20:50.45 | GPSFan | of course it reports 799 bogomips, but hey... |
| 20:51.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:51.13 | sorphin | somethings wrong there |
| 20:51.20 | GPSFan | they don't call them bogo fro nothing |
| 20:51.56 | sorphin | well yeah, but that's a long stretch from the other kernel |
| 20:52.13 | GPSFan | indeed, but at least it's a start.. |
| 20:52.46 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:59.43 | sorphin | GPSFan: prolly a stupid question, but since i have more of this around than mmc/cf.... think http://www.pcmcia.org/images/sm-pin2.gif (smartmedia) is wireable to the Port-X ? |
| 21:02.01 | GPSFan | sorphin: sorry, I forgot to answer your question about Port-X yesterday, Port-X is a lowlevel memory/flash interface. like at the chip level, mmc/sd/smartmedia/cf won't work, but you could wire up another flash chip to it. |
| 21:02.11 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:02.12 | sorphin | okie |
| 21:09.01 | GPSFan | sorphin: built the usb modules, and they insmod and find my usb2 card!! |
| 21:09.13 | sorphin | sweet |
| 21:09.42 | sorphin | got a usb drive/flash disk to hook up? |
| 21:09.44 | GPSFan | flood comming: |
| 21:09.46 | GPSFan | usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs |
| 21:09.46 | GPSFan | usb.c: registered new driver hub |
| 21:09.46 | GPSFan | hcd.c: ehci-hcd @ 00:16.2, PCI device 1106:3104 |
| 21:09.46 | GPSFan | hcd.c: irq 17, pci mem c9018f00 |
| 21:09.46 | GPSFan | usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 |
| 21:09.47 | GPSFan | ehci-hcd.c: USB 2.0 support enabled, EHCI rev 0.95 |
| 21:09.51 | GPSFan | hub.c: USB hub found |
| 21:09.53 | GPSFan | hub.c: 4 ports detected |
| 21:10.48 | MonMotha | gah, I guess I'm going to need real test equipment to tune this thing up |
| 21:10.59 | GPSFan | plugged in a usb flash drive: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0xd7d/0x1400) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 21:11.38 | MonMotha | heh |
| 21:11.43 | MonMotha | I need to get a UPS for my desktop |
| 21:12.01 | sorphin | GPSFan: did you compile the usb storage module and then the scsi stuff? |
| 21:12.12 | sorphin | that's the only way it'll be useful :) |
| 21:12.34 | GPSFan | sorphin: no not yet, just the basics. will soon. |
| 21:12.54 | sorphin | k |
| 21:13.00 | GPSFan | sorphin: glad I ordered the 2nd one... |
| 21:15.49 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:15.50 | sorphin | :) |
| 21:15.56 | sorphin | man having a bad power day today |
| 21:16.04 | sorphin | glitch, out, brownout |
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| 21:27.24 | sorphin | damn noisy storm goin on here |
| 21:27.34 | sorphin | GPSFan: they're already here :P |
| 21:30.31 | sorphin | +turns |
| 21:30.31 | GPSFan | ;>( we might get some later this afternoon. I'm having trouble figureing out all the stuff needed for usb stroage. |
| 21:30.53 | sorphin | GPSFan: just usbstorage, scsi , and scsi disks |
| 21:32.14 | GPSFan | scsi generic too? |
| 21:32.20 | sorphin | no |
| 21:32.23 | sorphin | don't need that |
| 21:32.39 | sorphin | that's for things like scanners, etc |
| 21:32.40 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:33.27 | GPSFan | ok, where is usbstorage? in the menuconfig? |
| 21:33.52 | GPSFan | found it.. |
| 21:33.52 | sorphin | same place as all the usb stuff |
| 21:34.23 | GPSFan | it was just hideing ;>) |
| 21:34.27 | sorphin | click clik |
| 21:34.32 | sorphin | click..............click |
| 21:40.05 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.05 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.05 | GPSFan | WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured |
| 21:40.05 | GPSFan | USB Mass Storage device found at 2 |
| 21:40.15 | GPSFan | !! |
| 21:41.03 | MonMotha | hey, it works |
| 21:41.56 | fishhead | usb is so cool |
| 21:41.59 | fishhead | long with flash |
| 21:42.03 | fishhead | it's shit that just works |
| 21:52.01 | sorphin | yep |
| 21:52.32 | sorphin | if it's that big of an issue, FIX it |
| 21:52.38 | sorphin | or get rid of the driver |
| 21:52.40 | sorphin | morons |
| 21:53.29 | sorphin | GPSFan: memorex usb flash drive? :) |
| 22:03.42 | GPSFan | yep, fat fs ;>( can't seem to find all the modules for fas support, there may be a versioniong issue too. |
| 22:03.52 | GPSFan | s/fas/fat |
| 22:03.58 | sorphin | nod |
| 22:04.19 | sorphin | how big? mine's a 1G i got for $20 after rebates last day after thanksgiving |
| 22:04.52 | GPSFan | 512M think I paif $44AR bout the same time. |
| 22:05.03 | sorphin | it's been handy |
| 22:05.15 | sorphin | blew the sandisk cruiser i tried outta the water |
| 22:06.40 | fishhead | sorphin really ? |
| 22:06.43 | fishhead | speed wise ? |
| 22:10.01 | GPSFan | oops, I guess I shouldn't pull the flashdrive out without doing something like eject? |
| 22:12.12 | fishhead | UHH YEAH |
| 22:12.30 | sorphin | prolly not |
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| 22:21.45 | sorphin | you know a machine has an issue, when you're in the bios, and it's RTC isn't counting once per second |
| 22:21.53 | sorphin | it's seconds are more like 1 every 3-4 seconds |
| 22:24.44 | MonMotha | that may just be the RTC gone nuts. They are usually fairly self contained |
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| 22:25.30 | Shadowpillar | what's a good bootloader outside of lilo that can boot in restricted ram? |
| 22:25.53 | sorphin | grub |
| 22:26.28 | sorphin | (GRand Unified Bootloader) |
| 22:26.35 | Shadowpillar | hrmm |
| 22:26.37 | Shadowpillar | odd |
| 22:26.48 | sorphin | ? |
| 22:26.51 | Shadowpillar | grub bitches if I try booting a kernel under 4 mb of ram |
| 22:27.05 | Shadowpillar | any way to remedy this? |
| 22:27.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:27.35 | sorphin | sounds like you need an XIP kernel possibly |
| 22:27.36 | MonMotha | get more RAM? |
| 22:27.40 | sorphin | or get more ram |
| 22:27.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:27.47 | MonMotha | it's pretty cheap these days |
| 22:28.03 | sorphin | MonMotha: i think this might be the 386 guy, don't remember now |
| 22:28.04 | Shadowpillar | XIP? |
| 22:28.11 | Shadowpillar | 386 guy |
| 22:28.11 | Shadowpillar | :P |
| 22:28.13 | sorphin | eXecute In Place |
| 22:28.16 | Shadowpillar | SIPP ram |
| 22:28.24 | sorphin | eXecute In Place <--- |
| 22:28.26 | Shadowpillar | where do I get that? |
| 22:28.35 | sorphin | ibot: XIP? |
| 22:28.36 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, xip is pretty sweet though - since the stuff is already in "rom". or eXecute In Placem which is no good for a compressed r/w FS in ROM |
| 22:28.55 | sorphin | ~google XIP execute in place |
| 22:29.12 | sorphin | ok, just google that then |
| 22:29.50 | Shadowpillar | will linux 2.6 run under 4 mb of ram? |
| 22:29.55 | sorphin | not likely |
| 22:30.01 | Shadowpillar | I was thinking about doing rtlinux for 2.6 |
| 22:30.02 | sorphin | didn't we have this discussion before? |
| 22:30.09 | sorphin | 2.0.x or 2.2.x |
| 22:30.30 | sorphin | 2.4 can pull it off w/ 8 |
| 22:30.34 | MonMotha | 2.4 is difficult enough to get running in 4MB of RAM, I can't imagine 2.6 |
| 22:30.38 | Shadowpillar | and possibly, couldnt I specify it to activate swap before the system boots so I'd have enough ram to run the kernel process? |
| 22:30.46 | sorphin | uhh |
| 22:30.54 | MonMotha | jeezus, what's the point? |
| 22:30.56 | sorphin | planning on swapping out the kernel are you? |
| 22:31.01 | sorphin | that's..... |
| 22:31.06 | Shadowpillar | bad? |
| 22:31.06 | MonMotha | would you like a 486 with some more RAM? I've got plenty |
| 22:31.12 | sorphin | MonMotha: hehe |
| 22:31.16 | Shadowpillar | MonMotha: 386SX with SIPP ram |
| 22:31.20 | sorphin | MonMotha: it's his proof of concept |
| 22:32.28 | fishhead | http://www.st.com/stonline/company/adv/solutions/esbt/esbt.htm |
| 22:32.29 | fishhead | wow |
| 22:32.35 | fishhead | looks like a competitor to igbt |
| 22:33.19 | sorphin | Shadowpillar: you'd really have to strip down/overhaul the kernel to run in < 4M unless, as i said, 2.0.x or 2.2.x |
| 22:33.28 | Shadowpillar | hrmm |
| 22:33.34 | sorphin | which is what most embedded low mem/low flash things use |
| 22:33.49 | sorphin | 2.4 is "comfortable" in 8 |
| 22:33.53 | sorphin | 2.6.. i dunno |
| 22:34.18 | sorphin | you better have a really big shoehorn |
| 22:45.39 | Shadowpillar | I'm gonna get going |
| 22:45.44 | Shadowpillar | take a shower, go outside, etc |
| 22:45.52 | Shadowpillar | I may give up on that board |
| 22:46.01 | Shadowpillar | and put my efforts into my 486's I have instead |
| 22:46.07 | fishhead | shadow |
| 22:46.09 | fishhead | if you want |
| 22:46.17 | fishhead | you can convert simms to sipps easily with a soldering iron |
| 22:46.23 | fishhead | if you want to try I will send you 16 meg |
| 22:46.26 | fishhead | the max that board can take |
| 22:46.34 | Shadowpillar | I have simms |
| 22:46.43 | Shadowpillar | any way to convert SIPP to SIMM? ;) |
| 22:46.47 | fishhead | yes |
| 22:46.55 | fishhead | if it has the contact pads |
| 22:46.59 | fishhead | just remove the pins |
| 22:47.02 | Shadowpillar | it does |
| 22:47.11 | Shadowpillar | well |
| 22:47.11 | fishhead | what metal is the contact pads |
| 22:47.14 | fishhead | gold or tin |
| 22:47.15 | Shadowpillar | has little holes |
| 22:47.23 | Shadowpillar | where the pins go in |
| 22:47.42 | sorphin | Shadowpillar: simple, solder pins :P |
| 22:49.24 | fishhead | 30 x 4 |
| 22:49.27 | fishhead | 120 solder joints |
| 22:49.38 | Shadowpillar | well whatever |
| 22:49.41 | Shadowpillar | neck hurts |
| 22:49.43 | Shadowpillar | need a shower |
| 22:49.46 | Shadowpillar | later |
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| 23:28.43 | Roey | fishhead: hi |
| 23:28.48 | Roey | fishhead: what are you doing here? wow |
| 23:29.05 | fishhead | I been here for ages |
| 23:36.48 | Roey | ahh |
| 23:36.49 | Roey | ok |
| 23:36.52 | Roey | so listen: |
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| 23:38.18 | Roey | I had this idea yesterday of a computer the size of a pack of cards that packs a 400 Mhz CPU, a battery, 1 GB of RAM and enough usb ports for mouse, keyboard, video (presumably for a digital LCD display that accepts USB input for video), Flash. |
| 23:38.21 | Roey | eh? |
| 23:38.29 | Roey | the end of the giant laptop |
| 23:43.47 | fishhead | its been done before |
| 23:46.25 | MonMotha | lots of people have had that idea |
| 23:46.28 | MonMotha | then they tried to build it |
| 23:46.47 | MonMotha | right off the top, USB is not suitable for video |
| 23:47.05 | MonMotha | basically, you just described a PDA, though |
| 23:50.23 | pb_ | right. if you want a computer the size of a pack of cards with a 400MHz cpu, go buy a Zaurus. |
| 23:53.10 | Roey | hmm |
| 23:53.28 | Roey | but what if I want to connect this to an external monitor, kb and mouse? |
| 23:53.32 | Roey | and run real apps on it? |
| 23:53.39 | pb_ | go right ahead |
| 23:53.43 | Roey | but like |
| 23:53.45 | Roey | it won't run kde |
| 23:53.51 | pb_ | sure it will |
| 23:53.52 | Roey | or kde apps |
| 23:53.54 | Roey | oh? |
| 23:53.56 | MonMotha | why wouldn't it? |
| 23:54.10 | Roey | I mean |
| 23:54.28 | MonMotha | only reason it couldn't run that stuff would be that KDE is a bloated piece of crap and can't be run on a 400MHz system :) |
| 23:54.39 | MonMotha | which I didn't think KDE was *that* bad |
| 23:54.41 | Roey | what's a 400 mhz CPU -- even an ARM or xscale I'll grant ya -- versus a 2.4 Ghz P4 |
| 23:54.46 | Roey | MonMotha: kde is great |
| 23:54.47 | Roey | long live kde |
| 23:54.52 | MonMotha | you spec'd a 400MHz processor |
| 23:54.53 | chouimat | MonMotha: I run it on 200Mhz system |
| 23:55.01 | MonMotha | yeah, I didn't think KDE was that bad |
| 23:55.07 | MonMotha | I know it doesn't exactly run well on a P133 |
| 23:55.08 | Roey | I just worry that it won't run on something that 'slow' (yeah the term is subjective) |
| 23:55.26 | Roey | 200 mhz for a pda doesn't translate into a 200 mhz pc |
| 23:55.29 | Roey | it's faster.. I think |
| 23:55.32 | Roey | than a 200 mhz pc |
| 23:55.40 | chouimat | MonMotha: on a p200 with 64MB is the minimum |
| 23:55.44 | MonMotha | no it doesn't, frequently it is faster for everything except I/O bottlenecked things |
| 23:55.44 | fishhead | bbl |
| 23:55.46 | Roey | simply because the CPUs are more efficient today than they were then |
| 23:56.03 | Roey | MonMotha: so I'm right? |
| 23:56.08 | MonMotha | I woudln't say that, there's some pretty crazy architectural differences between an ARM and a Pentium |
| 23:56.17 | Roey | MonMotha: I mean, my athlon3200+ goes down to 800 mhz when it is not in high use |
| 23:56.18 | MonMotha | no reason you couldn't run KDE on a Zarus |
| 23:56.31 | Roey | how much memory can you put into a zaurus/ |
| 23:56.32 | MonMotha | or ipaq, or whatever |
| 23:56.32 | Roey | ? |
| 23:56.44 | MonMotha | I know they come with at least 64, and that was years ago |
| 23:56.44 | Roey | and could you hook up an external display to a zaurus? |
| 23:57.12 | MonMotha | not that I know of. ipaq with a PCMCIA VGA card would work, but then you're getting kinda big for the PCMCIA sleeve |
| 23:57.27 | fishhead | they make usb to vga adaptor btw |
| 23:57.29 | fishhead | bbl |
| 23:57.37 | pb_ | MonMotha: the newer VGA cards come in CF form factor |
| 23:57.39 | chouimat | MonMotha: if you want something not "bloated" use twm :) |
| 23:57.41 | MonMotha | ah, cool |
| 23:57.44 | MonMotha | so you could use it on a Z |
| 23:57.48 | MonMotha | chouimat: I run FVWM :) |
| 23:57.55 | pb_ | or, of course, you can use a remote X server across the network. |
| 23:58.08 | Roey | I thought zaurus is discontinued |
| 23:58.09 | Roey | as well |
| 23:58.11 | MonMotha | pb_: I think that kinda defeats the purpose... |
| 23:58.15 | MonMotha | Roey: in the US maybe |
| 23:58.25 | Roey | ok |
| 23:58.40 | MonMotha | half the stuff in the room I'm sitting in is discontinued or "not for sale" in the US |
| 23:58.49 | Roey | ok |
| 23:59.13 | file[laptop] | MonMotha: you're just silly though |
| 23:59.17 | MonMotha | true |
| 23:59.31 | pb_ | MonMotha: heh. well, I suppose that depends what your purpose is. |
