| 00:00.04 | MonMotha | true, there are applications where having some sort of "support" (i.e. It physically broke, fix it) is rather important |
| 00:01.00 | MonMotha | that and being able to buy them in quantities larger than 1 :) |
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| 00:02.20 | MonMotha | anyway, you basically described a modern PDA |
| 00:02.29 | MonMotha | sans the obsession with USB |
| 00:49.59 | Roey | ok |
| 00:50.04 | Roey | MonMotha: well |
| 00:50.06 | Roey | still. |
| 00:50.13 | Roey | what about the connection to an external monitor |
| 00:50.35 | Roey | what I'm getting at is the PDA's ability to replace the laptop |
| 00:50.52 | Roey | maybe in the future we won't need laptop screens; we'll just have screens painted into our sunglasses. |
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| 01:56.57 | fishhead | http://engrish.com/ |
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| 02:55.58 | MonMotha | Roey: and when that costs less than $thousands per pair of sunglasses, I'm sure you'll see display connectors on every PDA |
| 03:05.10 | Roey | :) |
| 03:05.11 | Roey | ok then |
| 03:07.32 | sorphin | :P |
| 03:08.22 | fishhead | roey |
| 03:08.29 | fishhead | tell sorphin to be careful those can take off a head |
| 03:08.32 | fishhead | he has me on ignore |
| 03:12.16 | Roey | sorphin |
| 03:12.24 | Roey | sorphin: <fishhead> tell sorphin to be careful those can take off a head |
| 03:12.49 | Roey | fishhead: told him |
| 03:17.50 | fishhead | thx |
| 03:18.23 | Roey | fishhead: np |
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| 08:17.42 | sorphin | that wasn't too bad |
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| 17:25.00 | jbevren | ok I give up |
| 17:25.07 | jbevren | how the hell does one make a kernel boot |
| 17:25.13 | jbevren | (on these ppc boards) |
| 17:25.35 | jbevren | grr. |
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| 17:44.13 | GPSFan_ | jbevren: a new kernel that you compiled or the stock one. |
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| 17:45.41 | jbevren | GPSFan_: bah. :) |
| 17:46.04 | jbevren | if I dont use the crosskit on the cd, it wont boot |
| 17:46.06 | jbevren | irritating |
| 17:48.34 | jbevren | good, scsi works |
| 17:48.41 | GPSFan_ | I rebuilt my kernel with vfat & usb-ehci support and it boots fine. I couldn't get the CD's toolchain to get past make dep.. |
| 17:49.16 | GPSFan_ | got a usb drive working, can read & write to it, but df hangs. ;>( |
| 17:50.04 | jbevren | mine sometimes hangs on calibrating the delay loop (in-flash kernel) |
| 17:50.40 | GPSFan_ | mine too, and sometimes the bogomips =799 |
| 17:51.37 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:51.48 | jbevren | I thought maybe mine was losing interrupts |
| 17:52.58 | GPSFan_ | sometimes this is 100, sometimes 25... time_init: decrementer frequency = 100.000000 MHz |
| 17:53.32 | GPSFan_ | when its 100 I get 799 bogomips, when 25, 200bogomips. |
| 17:53.42 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:53.53 | GPSFan_ | a 4:1 ratio... |
| 17:55.57 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:56.18 | jbevren | copying the nfsroot to sda1 |
| 17:57.37 | GPSFan_ | you have a scsi interface working it seems.. what card? |
| 17:57.55 | jbevren | adaptec 7xxx |
| 17:58.04 | GPSFan_ | cool.. |
| 17:58.12 | jbevren | I tried a qla1080, but it couldnt init the card |
| 17:59.11 | GPSFan_ | bbl |
| 17:59.16 | jbevren | ok |
| 18:08.24 | jbevren | I have reason to believe the timers are off |
| 18:08.32 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.33 | jbevren | lol |
| 18:08.41 | jbevren | I -think- this drive is slower than that |
| 18:11.29 | jbevren | ah, just saw 799 bogos |
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| 19:07.38 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 19:21.02 | GPSFan_ | re |
| 19:21.08 | jbevren | re |
| 19:21.14 | jbevren | put the scsi kernel in flash ;) |
| 19:21.21 | GPSFan_ | how did mozilla go? |
| 19:21.27 | jbevren | its not bad |
| 19:21.32 | jbevren | feels like a 300mhz machine :) |
| 19:21.51 | GPSFan_ | gee that could be... |
| 19:21.56 | jbevren | I'm still confused over the scsi speed |
| 19:21.56 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:22.37 | jbevren | and the software rtc is pretty slow |
| 19:22.46 | GPSFan_ | have you rebuilt the ramdisk yet? |
| 19:22.49 | jbevren | its lost 15 mins already |
| 19:22.51 | jbevren | I havent |
| 19:23.00 | jbevren | ive been pondering what to do |
| 19:23.08 | jbevren | might attempt mtdblock and jffs after some research |
| 19:23.12 | jbevren | (Ive never done it before) :) |
| 19:23.43 | jbevren | however, building ramdisks is fairly simple.. Ive had to build small boot systems for other things |
| 19:24.18 | GPSFan_ | I thank that worul make this box quite nice, 8M flash isn't bad, with a usb drive or usb hdd for app storage. |
| 19:24.32 | jbevren | yeah |
| 19:24.37 | jbevren | 8M for initrd/recovery |
| 19:25.12 | jbevren | since scsi doesnt require an enumeration delay, I just boot direct to the hdd |
| 19:25.13 | GPSFan_ | I was able to chroot to the busybox based rootfilesystem I built for my MCP750, seemed ok. |
| 19:25.26 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:25.36 | jbevren | I have debian on the scsi drive |
| 19:25.45 | jbevren | had to disable hwclock, of course |
| 19:25.47 | GPSFan_ | yeah, if you have a scsi system no need for booting to the flsh. |
| 19:25.52 | jbevren | yep. |
| 19:26.18 | jbevren | 2-kernel monte would be neat too |
| 19:26.26 | jbevren | use the kernel in-flash to load a kernel from usb/etc |
| 19:26.51 | GPSFan_ | never figured out how to do that, would like to learn.. |
| 19:27.36 | jbevren | As I understand it (very little mind you), the concept is to use a kernel module to escape kernel space after loading a new kernel into memory |
| 19:28.03 | jbevren | after doing so, custom code resets the board to the state it would be in before a normal kenrel boots |
| 19:28.14 | GPSFan_ | nod |
| 19:30.34 | jbevren | http://media.ebaumsworld.com/swf/honda-ad.swf |
| 19:37.20 | GPSFan_ | indeed very cool, even for an add. |
| 21:23.24 | GPSFan_ | jbevren: did you have any luck with that 2.6 kernel you were playing around with on the ppc box? |
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| 21:51.22 | fishhead | http://seminar2.techonline.com/registration/distrib.cgi?s=649&d=30 |
| 21:56.40 | sorphin | GPSFan_: ping? |
| 22:03.30 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: ding |
| 22:03.57 | sorphin | GPSFan_: how would you hook flash chips up to this? |
| 22:04.27 | sorphin | i have say.. a pcmcia linear flash card, i could snag the chips out of it (unless i could hook straight up, since it's linear flash).. |
| 22:04.34 | GPSFan_ | to the Port-X interface? |
| 22:04.48 | sorphin | yes |
| 22:11.38 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: look at the schematics page 3 & 7. compare the signals of the Port-X connector to those on the flash chip(s). Wire up your external flash chips like that. (this may take a pcb) you may also have to figure out which are the right chip selects to use. |
| 22:12.35 | sorphin | GPSFan_: k |
| 22:12.48 | sorphin | GPSFan_: what other things can you think of that we could hook up to it? they mention other I/O |
| 22:13.21 | GPSFan_ | probably Motorola has some words on Port-X somewhere too. |
| 22:14.42 | sorphin | GPSFan_: well, this is a linear flash board.. think i could hook up that way or i'll have to parallel the chips? |
| 22:14.47 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: i got my usb drive to read & write, but it seems to "go to sleep" after a bit and trying to access it hangs the drivers in a "D" (non-interruptable wait) state. |
| 22:15.39 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: the Port-X interface is 8 bits wide so you could do it with almost any-old flash chips. |
| 22:16.50 | sorphin | GPSFan_: right |
| 22:17.14 | sorphin | but parallel them? and i'd ahve to find out how the linear board is arranged to use it |
| 22:18.05 | GPSFan_ | yep, if they are 16 bits wide you would have to parallel the upper & lower halves to get the full capacity. |
| 22:18.44 | GPSFan_ | and play around with the chip selects/addressing to account for the odd/even bytes |
| 22:18.55 | sorphin | doh |
| 22:18.58 | sorphin | hrm |
| 22:21.02 | sorphin | just went over my head :P |
| 22:22.30 | GPSFan_ | in a 16 bit wide rom there is no address bit 0, in a 32 bit system there is no A1 either. (assuiming that the addresses comming out the cpu represent bytes. |
| 22:24.04 | fishhead | GPD |
| 22:24.06 | fishhead | GPS |
| 22:24.10 | fishhead | can you do me a big favor |
| 22:27.25 | Genesis | ha |
| 22:27.27 | Genesis | i'm here |
| 22:27.36 | Genesis | :0 |
| 22:28.25 | Genesis | http://seminar2.techonline.com/registration/distrib.cgi?s=649&d=30 |
| 22:28.40 | Genesis | ( fishhead who's ignore by some of you :p ) |
| 22:29.11 | sorphin | huh? |
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| 23:36.07 | Shadowpillar | NEC MobilePro 780 |
| 23:36.11 | Shadowpillar | will that run linux? |
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| 23:41.12 | fishhead | hang on |
| 23:41.53 | fishhead | perhaps with a mips linux or mips uclinux port |
| 23:41.58 | fishhead | otherwise probably not |
| 23:43.22 | fishhead | I might have found something hang on |
| 23:44.38 | fishhead | yes |
| 23:44.42 | fishhead | it appears there is a linux port |
| 23:44.50 | fishhead | http://people.freebsd.org/~imp/pdamips.html |
| 23:45.58 | Shadowpillar | cool |
| 23:46.00 | Shadowpillar | http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/news/article.php?story=20050811220623407 |