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| 03:23.14 | jbevren | hmm |
| 03:23.18 | jbevren | my GS arrives tomorrow :) |
| 03:23.27 | jbevren | I'll have landline access via voip again yay |
| 03:28.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:28.31 | sorphin | to me a GS isn't worth the extra money for the small gain in ram/flash |
| 03:28.44 | jbevren | eh? |
| 03:28.51 | sorphin | which you can enable the same 'speedboost' crap in a normal G, assuming you ahve other equip that can do it |
| 03:28.55 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:28.57 | jbevren | not a wrt :P |
| 03:29.03 | sorphin | then don't just say GS |
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| 03:29.19 | jbevren | fine I wont :) |
| 03:29.22 | jbevren | re Tim |
| 03:29.31 | sorphin | TimRiker: evening timmy |
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| 04:09.05 | sorphin | yay |
| 04:09.14 | sorphin | traceroute to irc.ipv6.freenode.net (2001:1418:13:1::25) from 2002:46f9:c454::1 |
| 04:09.36 | sorphin | faster than a damn tunnelbroker too, heh |
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| 05:54.11 | Russ | who writes this stuff? |
| 05:54.45 | Russ | "The phosphorescent (glow-in-the-dark) handle will continue to glow for a time after the trunk lid is closed. Exposing the handle to a stronger light will cause it to glow longer. |
| 05:55.05 | Russ | k....I'll remember that next time I plan on accidentally locking someone in the trunk |
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| 15:01.42 | CP|Home | What up crazy cats? |
| 15:02.50 | file | hitting agents over the head with potatoes |
| 15:02.59 | jbevren | sounds fun |
| 15:04.59 | kergoth_ | bleh |
| 15:05.01 | kergoth_ | ~mornings |
| 15:05.02 | ibot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 15:05.22 | CP|Home | Man, we missed kergoth when he was away... :) |
| 15:05.43 | CP|Home | Who else dared to destroy mornings and berate people for being offtopic? |
| 15:08.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:09.00 | prpplague | yep |
| 15:15.26 | prpplague | CP|Home: i've come to the conclusion that my lack of hardware tools and parts is a major hurdle in my education |
| 15:15.37 | CP|Home | heh |
| 15:15.44 | CP|Home | Yeah, I tried that once too |
| 15:15.51 | CP|Home | didn't work with the wife |
| 15:16.04 | prpplague | CP|Home: think i'm gonna start putting my beer money back to stock up on hardware |
| 15:16.43 | kergoth_ | hmm, itd be cool to create a firewall script/setup tool that could use a user comprehensible lua script to control policies |
| 15:17.55 | prpplague | CP|Home: hows the geode community project going? |
| 15:18.16 | CP|Home | still gathering abuser requirements |
| 15:18.36 | prpplague | kergoth_: you're doing firewall/router dev right? |
| 15:18.51 | CP|Home | kergoth: I've got a nice little Alchemy board that could use that |
| 15:18.57 | kergoth_ | more router than firewalling, but yeah |
| 15:19.08 | CP|Home | Man, I really need a pda - I need a todo list |
| 15:19.14 | prpplague | kergoth_: you used any of snapgears stuff? |
| 15:19.47 | kergoth_ | CP|Home: it just seems that most users dont know enough to understand iptables commands and the use of 'ip' for controlling policy routing and stuff, so they rely on the predone scripts, but then theres no easy flexible way to have control over them |
| 15:20.10 | kergoth_ | prpplague: heh, the product here is using a snapgear rootfs. the buildsystem is make based, not unlike buildroot, really |
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| 15:20.58 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh, well i was gonna point out that the number one complaint about the snapgears that abcs used was there wasn't an easy way to backup the configuration of the device |
| 15:21.03 | T0mW | I've come to a critical point in my project. I know there is a mistake on the PCB layout, and I cannot find it... it is always that way. |
| 15:21.11 | kergoth_ | prpplague: ah |
| 15:21.16 | prpplague | kergoth_: atleast with cisco stuff you can download a text based config file |
| 15:21.23 | T0mW | the only way to find it is to build a board... |
| 15:21.48 | kergoth_ | prpplague: this company's products can do that, but thats the code they wrote, not what came with their distro |
| 15:21.51 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 15:22.03 | prpplague | kergoth_: for the cisco stuff we sold, we had a shell script that generated a generic config |
| 15:22.43 | prpplague | kergoth_: what company is it? |
| 15:23.36 | CP|Home | Cisco's shinning star is their config system, I think |
| 15:24.19 | prpplague | CP|Home: yea |
| 15:24.48 | kergoth_ | prpplague: http://www.astrocorp.com/ |
| 15:25.26 | kergoth_ | prpplague: basically they sell the pro100 to small & medium businesses as a tool for load balancing and failover across multiple wan links. |
| 15:26.51 | prpplague | kergoth_: mips based? |
| 15:27.43 | kergoth_ | prpplague: x86 |
| 15:27.54 | prpplague | really? |
| 15:27.59 | kergoth_ | yup |
| 15:28.00 | prpplague | thats interesting |
| 15:31.05 | prpplague | kergoth_: what kind of storage does it have? cf card? |
| 15:31.09 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 15:32.38 | prpplague | kergoth_: sounds similiar to these - http://www.acrosser.com/products/index-embedded-system.htm |
| 15:32.51 | CP|Home | prpplague: yeah, x86 - the processor you love to hate? |
| 15:33.13 | prpplague | CP|Home: hehe |
| 15:33.21 | prpplague | CP|Home: i have nothing against x86 |
| 15:33.49 | kergoth_ | like.. there's a .. *gasp* .. bios here. |
| 15:33.52 | prpplague | CP|Home: its just that, personally, i don't think spending time on x86 systems will benefit me financially |
| 15:34.50 | prpplague | kergoth_: atleast you don't have to cross compile, hehe |
| 15:35.15 | kergoth_ | i crosscompile, just to i386 or i486 or whatever rather than arm |
| 15:36.00 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh, so you build the compilier and all like in OE |
| 15:36.10 | CP|Home | kergoth: I'm the exact same way |
| 15:36.24 | CP|Home | To me, the're all just procesors |
| 15:36.28 | CP|Home | today MACHINE=i386 |
| 15:36.32 | CP|Home | tommorow its mipsel |
| 15:37.02 | CP|Home | Everyone in Longmont is bitching and moaning about x-compiling for x86 |
| 15:37.06 | prpplague | guess thats a good way of doing things |
| 15:37.26 | prpplague | atleast you don't have to worry about library problems |
| 15:37.32 | CP|Home | Everyone in Austin is cool with it - why? Because they understand what its like to not be able to run #$%&! Redhat on their box |
| 15:38.04 | jbevren | I'd love to say "I cant run redhat" :) |
| 15:39.01 | prpplague | redhat is still a big player in the biz world |
| 15:39.09 | kergoth_ | as soon as you realize that you essentially need to "crosscompile" to your target even if its just a glibc vs uclibc difference, much less architecture, that sort of bitching tends to go away |
| 15:39.18 | prpplague | i still think they made a mistake no doing end user distros |
| 15:39.39 | prpplague | kergoth_: yea, i can see that |
| 15:39.48 | CP|Home | but redhat doesn't belong on embedded systems, end of story |
| 15:40.10 | CP|Home | if you can't figure out how to compile your target apps for a production system, then you should grab on to CE/XP and hold on for dear life |
| 15:40.11 | prpplague | CP|Home: agreed |
| 15:40.42 | CP|Home | Hell, even the CE guys understand x-compiling and image building |
| 15:40.54 | CP|Home | They just do it with a pretty gui |
| 15:42.45 | CP|Home | Its good for me to express these feelings away from work |
| 15:42.56 | CP|Home | that way, I avoid confrontation |
| 15:43.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:43.10 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 15:43.56 | prpplague | i've got a ton of stuff on my plate to learn |
| 15:44.08 | kergoth_ | i'm having fun learning all this networking stuff |
| 15:44.14 | kergoth_ | learned about vlans the other day |
| 15:44.24 | prpplague | kergoth_: those are fun |
| 15:44.38 | kergoth_ | and the past few days i've been knee deep in the linux connection tracking code :) |
| 15:45.14 | kergoth_ | the folks in #netfilter are really helpful, btw |
| 15:46.06 | prpplague | kergoth_: cool, i'll make a note if i ever get back into networking |
| 15:47.18 | prpplague | CP|Home: reading all of this arm asm code in the juicebox bootrom is a real mind bender |
| 15:48.15 | CP|Home | heh - is it thumb? |
| 15:48.18 | prpplague | CP|Home: first time i've really tried to reverse engineer something this complex and i've just haven't gotten the technique down |
| 15:48.25 | prpplague | CP|Home: naw, its arm |
| 15:49.28 | prpplague | CP|Home: can;t seem to find any folks that do reverse engineering on irc |
| 15:49.46 | CP|Home | Not that will admit it |
| 15:50.04 | CP|Home | THere aren't any good arm disassembler? |
| 15:50.23 | CP|Home | s |
| 15:50.41 | kergoth_ | objdump? :P |
| 15:51.16 | CP|Home | But there are some decent X86 guis - I can't remembe the propriatary one we use at work, but its pretty slock |
| 15:51.19 | CP|Home | slick even |
| 15:51.41 | CP|Home | Then there's ldasm, but I don't know if thats any good |
| 15:51.59 | kergoth_ | heh, the other day i saw an article on safe disassembly of viruses using a windows disassembler running in wine on a linux box |
| 15:52.07 | CP|Home | heh |
| 15:52.13 | CP|Home | grr.... don' |
| 15:52.26 | CP|Home | doing my finances, the reconcile is off by 70 cents |
| 15:52.29 | prpplague | kergoth_: hehe yea i read that |
| 15:52.30 | CP|Home | I hate it when that happens |
| 15:52.44 | prpplague | kergoth_: yea i'm using objdump |
| 15:53.08 | prpplague | kergoth_: its dumps the code effectively, but making it easier to follow is something else |
| 15:53.42 | prpplague | kergoth_: i found a bunch of scripts for x86 stuff that decodes text portions and such, but nothing that really works with arm |
| 15:54.36 | kergoth_ | i used to have a perl module called disarm or something that was specifically done to dissassemble arm kernel modules, some of the stuff it did would probably be generally useful, but thatd involve putting your own scripts together, wouldnt really make things easier to follow out of the box or anything |
| 15:55.02 | prpplague | interesting, i'll google |
| 15:55.38 | prpplague | CP|Home: 70 cents? thats kinda odd |
| 15:56.50 | prpplague | CP|Home: usually with typos you get something that is based on 1's offset, i.e. .10 , 1.00, 10.00 |
| 15:57.59 | prpplague | CP|Home: sounds like more than one mis entered amount |
| 15:58.50 | prpplague | CP|Home: like one entry with a dollar more, and one with .30 less |
| 15:59.49 | prpplague | CP|Home: i.e. 45.55 instead of 44.55, and 20.00 instead of 20.30 |
| 15:59.58 | CP|Home | prpplague: yeah, I got it - .25 cents instead of .95 cents |
| 16:00.42 | CP|Home | Whats nice about the disassembler guis is that you can assign names to memory locations, it helps keep things straight |
| 16:01.32 | CP|Home | gah - the inspector turned on the furnace - its like a sauna in here |
| 16:03.15 | prpplague | CP|Home: ahh cool |
| 16:06.40 | prpplague | CP|Home: yea the memory locations and text seems to be whats slowing me down |
| 16:26.12 | CP|Home | whew - cooling down |
| 16:27.52 | kergoth_ | hmm, uml is slow |
| 16:27.53 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 16:27.56 | kergoth_ | worse than i remember |
| 16:40.04 | kergoth_ | woo, our rootfs running in a UML :) |
| 16:40.07 | kergoth_ | slowwww though |
| 16:40.15 | kergoth_ | i think its this box, not enough ram |
| 16:40.17 | kergoth_ | i'm almost entirely in swap |
| 16:43.06 | prpplague | kergoth_: i know i ask this often, but is there a url where i can browse the oe metadata? |
| 16:43.28 | kergoth_ | prpplague: heh, well, its changed sine last time :P |
| 16:43.31 | kergoth_ | we used to use bk |
| 16:43.38 | kergoth_ | obviously cant anymore |
| 16:43.40 | kergoth_ | so we use monotone now |
| 16:43.43 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:44.12 | kergoth_ | prpplague: http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/ |
| 16:44.15 | prpplague | kergoth_: hows that working out? |
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| 16:45.00 | kergoth_ | prpplague: eh, its alirght, some performance issues |
| 16:45.08 | kergoth_ | i dont like it much myself. |
| 16:46.17 | prpplague | hmm, oe doesn;t have data on fbi? or is it part of another package? |
| 16:50.38 | prpplague | ahh found it under nonworking |
| 16:59.26 | CP|Home | yeah mt is very meh |
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| 17:00.14 | CP|Home | I've been pleasently surprised by hg so far - its pretty cool |
| 17:00.21 | CP|Home | but I guess its a bear to set up |
| 17:04.08 | T` | hg? |
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| 17:07.08 | CP|Home | http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/ |
| 17:07.16 | CP|Home | ~hg |
| 17:07.53 | CP|Home | ibot: hg is Mercurial, a distributed source control system: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/ |
| 17:07.55 | ibot | CP|Home: okay |
| 17:08.10 | prpplague | ~phb |
| 17:08.12 | ibot | [phb] pointy-haired boss (from dilbert) |
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| 17:15.33 | CP|Home | http://www.boingboing.net/popscipuzzles1960-tm.jpg |
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| 17:40.37 | T0mW | CP|Home: wtf is the house number? |
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| 17:50.47 | CP|Home | T0mW: yeah, there's something missing |
| 17:52.06 | T0mW | It's two sets of equations, but one equation is composed entirely of unknowns |
| 17:52.48 | T0mW | y1 * y2 * y3 = 225, y1 + y2 + y3 = x1 |
| 17:53.00 | T0mW | y == age, x == house number |
| 18:05.59 | jbevren | T0mW: hardwarebook.net has directions |
| 18:07.02 | T0mW | finally found one. several sites I looked at had DTE & DCE directions mixed up. They had RI (Ring Indicator) going the wrong way |
| 18:07.35 | T0mW | makes them entirely suspect for DTR & DSR directions |
| 18:07.38 | jbevren | reminds me of the sites that dont konw async vs sync |
| 18:07.46 | T0mW | ha! yeah |
| 18:07.49 | jbevren | and go on to define rs232 as async |
| 18:07.54 | jbevren | then define another async type as sync |
| 18:07.55 | jbevren | lol! |
| 18:08.08 | jbevren | unclocked serial line is sync, but rs232 isnt! |
| 18:08.09 | T0mW | i love it when they tell you RS232 is 7 or 8 bits |
| 18:08.16 | jbevren | but it is :) |
| 18:08.18 | jbevren | 7E1 |
| 18:08.31 | jbevren | (I use 7E1 with my apple2, cause the firmware sets the high bit on all the dang chars) |
| 18:08.47 | jbevren | at least, until I patch PSW and KSW to strip the 8th bit |
| 18:08.48 | jbevren | :-D |
| 18:09.06 | T0mW | RS232 is an electrical interface specification, voltage levels, it describes control line function meaning, but not the data pattern that is transmitted. You can send 22bit words on RS232 |
| 18:09.17 | jbevren | Oh I sup-pose. |
| 18:09.18 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:09.28 | jbevren | 6bit is (fairly) common too |
| 18:09.35 | jbevren | where did I see a 6bit line |
| 18:09.36 | T0mW | EBDIC ? |
| 18:09.36 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:09.41 | jbevren | probably |
| 18:09.47 | T0mW | ;-) |
| 18:11.15 | T0mW | typically the uarts only handle up to 8 bit words, that is a limitation imposed due to the processors of the era |
| 18:11.27 | jbevren | nod. |
| 18:11.41 | jbevren | I'd be afraid of framing/timing errors on long words |
| 18:11.44 | file | jbevren: can you give me a call? |
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| 18:14.19 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:14.33 | jbevren | my grandstream 488 should be here today |
| 18:14.40 | jbevren | so I can handle PSTN too |
| 18:16.33 | jbevren | woo free calls to canada |
| 18:16.35 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:16.47 | jbevren | btw |
| 18:16.49 | jbevren | how was the speakerphone |
| 18:23.02 | jbevren | that bad eh? |
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| 19:16.05 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: ping |
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| 19:55.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't know of a small app to resize jpegs do ya? |
| 19:55.31 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 19:55.31 | CosmicPenguin | gimp |
| 19:55.35 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, wait |
| 19:55.37 | CosmicPenguin | ImageMagick |
| 19:57.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: uh, i said small |
| 19:57.19 | CosmicPenguin | ImageMagick isn't that bad |
| 19:57.25 | CosmicPenguin | YOu can compile stuff out |
| 19:58.22 | kergoth | whee, checking in a gig of source into svn over the lan takes a bit |
| 19:59.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh fbi doesn't support 4bpp |
| 20:02.18 | file[laptop] | so woot my wireless network is expanded |
| 20:04.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: 4bpp is easy to hack |
| 20:04.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 20:04.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i found a patch |
| 20:04.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doesn't apply cleanly, but i should be able to hack it |
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| 20:06.23 | prpplague | doh, i cou;dn't figure out why my box was running slow, i had 4 copies of gimp running in the background |
| 21:01.00 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: well, if you get this, the internal name for the 5535 was Capistrano |
| 21:01.12 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: as in, "the women flock like the salmon of Capistrano" |
| 21:01.29 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: Redcloud is the GX processor, for which the 5535 was created to be a companion to |
| 22:42.12 | CosmicPenguin | Every minute that goes by is less likely that I'll have my flight approved |
| 22:54.01 | jbevren | gx was a pretty cool concept |
| 22:54.07 | jbevren | shame it was so underpowered |
| 22:54.13 | jbevren | anyway, out for the evening :) |
| 22:54.36 | jbevren | (btw, gx still is; I have a nice 486 SoC on a 3.5x3.5" pc/104 card with vga, eth, 2s1p, 2xide |
| 22:54.38 | jbevren | :) |
| 22:54.42 | jbevren | out. |
| 23:06.44 | CosmicPenguin | What the hell is he talking about |
| 23:08.46 | CosmicPenguin | I don't like that guy |
| 23:10.13 | T` | hehe |
| 23:10.25 | T` | hows it going cosmic? |
| 23:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | crappy |
| 23:11.31 | T` | uhh.. cheer up.. its friday tomorrow :) |
| 23:12.07 | CosmicPenguin | it sure is |
