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01:36.33ibotACTION slaps sjhill around like the lackey they are.
01:38.41sjhillevening sorphin
01:38.51sorphinsjhill: sup?
01:39.01sjhillbeen a rough couple of weeks
01:39.13sjhillwent on vacation and then while on vacation Jen's grandmother died
01:39.21sorphindoh
01:39.23sorphinthat sucks
01:39.28sjhillthe following week was not fun
01:39.35sjhilldrove like 4000 miles i think
01:39.42sjhilli'd have to check the odometer
01:39.49sjhillexhausting
01:39.53sjhillmy wife just got home last night
01:39.58sorphinless fun than i've had obviously
01:40.39sjhillwhat have you been up to?
01:41.12sjhillis anyone around that works with buildroot?
01:41.28sorphindunno, and i've been oncall all week, and this weekend
01:41.32sorphinbeen getting slammed
01:45.17sjhillbummer
01:45.21sorphinyeah
01:46.39sjhilli'm just kicking back with a cup of earl gray green tea...it has quite the kick
01:47.08MonMothasjhill: is it hot?
01:47.14sjhillyeah
01:47.21sjhilli picked it up when i was in Ottawa
01:47.28sjhilli may actually order some more
01:47.34sjhillit's quite strong
01:47.35MonMothaI think you totally missed that reference ;)
01:47.46sjhillheh
01:47.48MonMothaplease surrender your geek card
01:49.31sorphinCaptain Jean Luc Piccard
01:49.41sorphin"Tea, Earl Gray, Hot"
01:50.41sjhillahhh
01:50.46sorphinMonMotha: yo, good at finding datasheets?
01:50.56MonMothasorphin: sometimes I get lucky
01:51.02sorphinnod
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02:34.33sorphinandersee: evening
02:44.52anderseesorphin: evening
02:45.34filesorphin & andersee: evening
02:46.08anderseefile: howdy
02:46.15filewhat be up
02:47.36sorphinfile: hola mr file
02:57.00MonMothasorphin: were you looking for a particular datasheet?
03:00.49sorphinMonMotha: found the info there is out there now, heh
03:00.55sorphinjust a stupid eeprom
03:02.01MonMothaoh
03:02.22MonMothaI'm trying to find some info on a 9064 DRAM
03:02.32MonMothaI know it's a 1-bit part, but I no other info really
03:02.36sorphinnod
03:02.43sorphinthis is an XLS2816AP
03:02.50sorphinmy controller uses it
03:02.52MonMothathat's a strange part number
03:03.04sorphinthe critical part is the 2816
03:03.26MonMothayeah, AP is probably a package desginator, XLS is the manufacturer
03:03.32sorphinanyways, seems, while yes, the damn thing has *2* 256k EPROMs, it HAS to have this eeprom in or it won't even fire up
03:04.01sorphinand while that's nice and all, it has an access code, which seems to be saved in the eeprom now
03:04.07sorphincuz it's sure not in the static ram
03:09.34jbevrenMonMotha: 9064; 64kbit dram by AMD
03:09.43jbevren(chipdir.com) :)
03:09.47jbevrenno pdf :(
03:10.48MonMothajbevren: yeah, I knew what it was, just nothing else
03:10.51MonMothaI don't even have a pinout
03:11.11jbevrenwonder if its compatible with the common 6164-style rams
03:11.20MonMothaI was wondering the same
03:11.34MonMothait's in a DIP-16 package
03:11.55jbevrenentirely possible, but that said, there were lots of dip16 rams taht had a split power supply too
03:11.57MonMothaI picked up a tube of them for 50c thinking it was static RAM, but I figured I'd use them in the "old-school" style Z-80 machine I'm building
03:12.18jbevrenah nice
03:12.28MonMothajbevren: yup.  I remember reading about a mod to an Apple II that involved changing the power supply, but I don't remember if they were modding in 9064s or modding them out
03:12.28jbevrenz80s do dram refresh on chip, making it easy :0
03:12.32MonMothayup
03:12.51jbevrenIt'd be nice if you had one in-circuit to probe at :-)
03:12.52MonMothaanother instruction set for me to learn, but that would just put me at like 7 :)
03:13.02MonMothayes, it would, but I just have a tube of them
03:13.14jbevrenhmm
03:13.17jbevrenI only know 3
03:13.21jbevrenand only know one well
03:13.21MonMothaI also have a tube of milspec PROMs
03:13.59MonMothaI know 8051 very well, MIPS decently (though I'm not all up on the side effects of various instructions), I can get by on Itanic (don't ask), ARM, and some weird TI DSP I had to learn for a class
03:14.00jbevrenso where does one find tubes of chips for $.50? :)
03:14.05MonMothajbevren: hamfests
03:14.10jbevrenah
03:14.14MonMothaI've got 18 of these
03:14.24MonMothaI figured I'd even do parity (which is a good idea with older DRAMs)
03:14.25jbevrenI live in BFE so ive never been to a hamfest :-X
03:14.31jbevrenah
03:14.34jbevrendo two 64k banks :)
03:14.38sorphinjbevren: yo
03:14.57jbevrenwindow the second 64k bank at/near the top in 512-byte chunks :)
03:15.01MonMothawell, the other option would be to just say "screw it" and build a 24 bit virtual memory space and just start throwing some of my piles of old 4MB 30 pin SIMMs onto it :)
03:15.07jbevrenmm ramdisk
03:15.15jbevrensorphin
03:15.34MonMothaif I wanted to get really fancy, I could probably run linux on it :)
03:15.41MonMothawould be one hell of a port
03:15.48jbevrenheh
03:15.53jbevrenmmu-less uClinu?
03:15.54jbevrenx
03:15.58sorphinjbevren: booted gpsfan's 2.4.31 stuff
03:16.08jbevrennice :D
03:16.23MonMothawho says I can't jsut build an MMU?  The CPU has no concept of supervisor mode, but you can at least get things to run (just not securely or with guaranteed data protection)
03:16.46jbevrenI'd thought of MMU/managing a 65816
03:17.05jbevrenthat cpu has an ABORT interrupt, that can stop an instruction before it even gets decoded
03:17.14MonMothai960 is similar
03:17.20jbevrenahh
03:17.33jbevrenit also has state outputs that indicate instruction/data fetches
03:17.46MonMothaother option is just wire it to an interrupt, though then you have to watch when the interrupt is accepted
03:17.50jbevrenso you could implement supervisor/user mode in external HW
03:18.00jbevrenvirtual mem, paging if you like
03:18.01MonMotha960 has user/supervisor
03:18.09MonMothainterrupt always flips it into supervisor
03:18.47jbevrennod
03:19.18MonMothaa much more complicated beast than I'm used to programming (which is small microcontrollers)
03:19.26jbevrenI"d designed a 32-bit mmu for the '816 (it has a 24bit bus, 64KiB banks, otherwise fairly flat mem space)
03:19.47jbevrenand decided a 256-bit sram could also do illegal-opcode detection :)
03:19.59MonMothathe 960 has the advantage of being 32bit flat memory
03:20.01MonMothaspave
03:20.03MonMothableh
03:20.05jbevrenyeah
03:20.22jbevrenhmm
03:20.26MonMothaif they'd thrown a damn MMU on them, the 960 may have actually become the 486 killer it was meant to
03:20.32MonMothaPCs weren't THAT entrenched at that point
03:20.46jbevrenI bought an x86 industrial pc with lcd/touchscreen
03:20.47jbevrenwee
03:20.55jbevrenMonMotha: yeah
03:23.33sorphinheh
03:24.26sorphinthis controller has the eeprom, 2 pals, 2 eproms, a moto 68hc08 (908 actually), and a static ram
03:25.07jbevren80186-12, sram, 4x 8530 SCC, isa 16bit card :)
03:25.33jbevrenooooolllld digiboard 8port serial board
03:25.34jbevrenheh
03:25.42jbevrenit came with the 8x 25pin octopus cable (shudder)
03:27.28sorphinheh
03:27.40sorphinjbevren: want ken's patch?
03:27.46jbevrensure, please :)
03:27.55sorphinall he's missing is some of the serial splitting stuff
03:28.02jbevrendoes the patch have the flash partitions?
03:28.05sorphinyes
03:28.09jbevrennice
03:28.11sorphintho i had to tweak it
03:28.16sorphinhe was missing a };
03:28.17jbevrenre serial, I only use one port
03:28.26jbevrenso that's fine :)
03:28.28sorphinand it was inside some CMDLINE PARTITIONS crap
03:28.37jbevrenah
03:28.45jbevrendont enable cmdline partitions? heh
03:28.49sorphinhere, i'll just send you the patch
03:28.54jbevrenthx
03:29.02sorphinyou can edit physmap.c yourself ;)
03:29.15jbevrenI think Ive done that before :)
03:30.45sorphinhis default config doesn't enable jffs2 nor mtd, so..
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03:31.37jbevrenok
03:31.52jbevrenthis patch applies over generic 2.4.31?
03:32.09sorphinyes
03:32.16jbevrenawesome
03:34.08sorphinMonMotha: any easy to build eeprom readers? ;)
03:35.54MonMothasorphin: serial or parallel?
03:36.15jbevrenparallel should be easy
03:36.19jbevrenlatches for addr
03:36.29jbevrenstrobe the data right in after setting the latches
03:36.52MonMothaserial is also easy, just bit bang it off the pport
03:37.01MonMothathe hard part is 16 bit data parallel ROMs
03:37.07MonMothathat requires a little more glue
03:38.52jbevrenOh
03:38.55jbevrenserial rom
03:39.03jbevrenI thought you meant a rs232 reader
03:39.04jbevren:)
03:39.11MonMothaoh, no
03:39.20MonMothaeasiest way to do that is probably a microcontroller
03:39.28jbevrenyeah, my thought too
03:39.40MonMothaunless you can find one of those UARTs that doesn't expect something else to talk to its parallel bus
03:39.48MonMothawhich I've been looking for and never found
03:39.52jbevrenthat sounds fun :)
03:40.10jbevrenalthough a 6551 could probably be glued up to do it
03:40.51sorphinMonMotha: either
03:41.04sorphinoh
03:41.11sorphinits a parallel eeprom
03:41.32MonMothasorphin: 8 bit data>
03:41.32MonMotha?
03:41.35sorphinyes
03:41.49MonMothahow big is the address? just 8 bits?
03:42.02sorphinuhh
03:42.11jbevrensorphin: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5233724780
03:42.11MonMothaI didn't catch how big the part was
03:42.24sorphin16k
03:42.29sorphin2kx8
03:42.46jbevrensounds like a chargen to me heh
03:43.03sorphineh?
03:43.11MonMothagot a bidirectional parallel port?
03:43.25sorphinyeah, a few of em
03:43.29MonMothaexcellent
03:44.08MonMothajust use a couple 74573s to latch the address, and read the data directly, buffer with a 74245 so you can tristate it when the address is being used
03:44.16MonMothathat'll also let you write to it if you work out the programming stuff
03:44.23sorphinheh
03:44.25MonMothaif you just want to read, a 74251 or 74244 will work
03:44.42MonMothayou may also need some stuff to decode the extra outputs to determine what latch/buffer to address
03:44.49jbevrenMonMotha: Isnt that what output-enable is for? :)
03:45.00MonMothaoh, I was presuming the chip had no output enable
03:45.01sorphinMonMotha: http://www.jimisdarkstar.com/e2/newstore/2816a.jpg
03:45.05MonMothaif it does, then yeah, just use that
03:45.08sorphinthats the pinout
03:45.26sorphinhas WE OE and CE
03:45.26MonMothaoh yeah, easy as pie
03:46.14sorphinheh
03:46.15MonMothatie WE high, CE low, use two of the spare outputs hooked up to a decoder to address your latches (you'll need two 573s or 373s), use one of the remaining addresses (you'll have 4) to drive the OE line
03:46.26MonMothaif you have 3 spare outputs (I forget how many there are), you dont' even need the decoder
03:46.45MonMothaI know a 74138 woudl work, though that's a 3-to-8, I forget the 2-to-4 part number
03:46.49jbevrenhm
03:47.02jbevrenparallel has 4 input bits besides the data bus
03:47.10sorphinyep
03:47.13jbevrenso there's 4 lines you can output with on a bidir port
03:47.13MonMotharemember that OE is active low, and the latch inputs are active high
03:47.21jbevren(not including the ever-handy strobe)
03:47.25MonMothathe extra bits are not bidirectional
03:47.37jbevrenoh?
03:47.53jbevrennot 8255 compatible? (I dont do paraport programming)
03:48.01MonMothayou've got 4 outputs bits, 5 input bits, and the data bus
03:48.04MonMothaso you don't need the decoder
03:48.20jbevrenahh
03:48.21MonMothajust realize that all outputs other than strobe are inverted in hardware
03:48.33jbevrennice to know :P
03:49.00MonMothaif your pport isn't bidirectional, you can read using a quad 2-to-1 mux to 4 inputs, gate with a spare output
03:49.01sorphinheh
03:49.12MonMothathere actually is a 74 series quad 2-to-1
03:49.15sorphinnow, if i understood some of that :P
03:49.22MonMothabtw, you can buy this stuff at shadio rack if you don't have it
03:50.01sorphinMonMotha: i'm down the road from Gateway Electronics (other store is in San Diego), they carry more components than RS
03:50.02MonMothadoes that chip have TTL compatible inputs?
03:50.03jbevrensorphin: browse epanorama.net
03:50.03sorphinheh
03:50.19jbevrenthey should have a circuit somewhere for a flash programmer
03:50.22jbevrenit'll be able to read your chip
03:50.28sorphinjbevren: k
03:50.41sorphinMonMotha: data is scarce
03:50.45jbevrendebian has a flash programmer package that includes a diagram
03:50.47jbevrenheh
03:51.15MonMothasorphin: then figure probably not.  Go with HCT series.  That'll give you CMOS compatible outputs and TTL compatible inputs, but be sure to use a 5V pport
03:51.25sorphinheh
03:51.28MonMothabuffer the OE line with a 244
03:51.49sorphin3.3v ain't good enough huh? :P
03:51.57MonMothanot for HCT seies
03:51.59MonMothaseries
03:52.04MonMothaalso, the part probably expects 5V?
03:52.44sorphinprolly
03:52.52MonMothawell, make sure you give it what it wants
03:52.58MonMothamany 3.3V parts will blow up if you give them 5
03:53.12sorphinjbevren: heh, the page i found, doesn't show mine as 'supported' tho it's an NMOS chip
03:53.15MonMothaif it's 3.3, it's almost certainly CMOS, in which case you can use C or HC series, run everything at 3.3V and be done
03:53.28MonMothaNMOS, interesting
03:53.40jbevrenflash in nmos tech?
03:53.43jbevrencurious
03:53.44sorphinall i know is what the pinout sheet said
03:53.45MonMothait's not flash
03:53.50MonMothait's old school EEPROM
03:53.53sorphinParallel EEPROM
03:53.57sorphinit's -250
03:54.04sorphinthe image above was the pinout
03:54.41jbevren28xxx is traditionally flash
03:54.55jbevrenalso, there's no VPP on the pinout you linked, so I thought it was flash
03:55.06sorphinVPP = WE in this case
03:55.20MonMothayeah, that's not uncommon on the older parts, you raise one of the control lines to 12V to program
03:55.46jbevrennod
03:55.50jbevrenprobably the WE line actually :)
03:55.53MonMothathe early flash that needed Vpp was put on a separate pin so that ic could be programmed in system
03:55.57jbevrenor OE possibly
03:56.01MonMothaI usually saw WE or CE
03:56.07MonMothanot very often OE
03:56.12jbevrenoh? ok
03:56.18jbevrenanyway
03:56.21sorphinheh
03:56.25jbevrenI didnt sleep for crap last night
03:56.28jbevrenso I'm out :)
03:56.30sorphinjbevren: and i did?
03:56.35sorphini've been called every night this week
03:56.36sorphin:P
03:56.42jbevrenI turn my phone off at night
03:56.49sorphinusually twice
03:56.49sorphinheh
03:56.49sorphini can't
03:56.49sorphini'm oncall this week
03:56.51jbevrenif its that important, my sister will wake me up :)
03:57.04sorphinheh
03:57.10jbevrenhm
03:57.16sorphinwhen she walks 20 feet? :P
03:57.23jbevrenI need to set up an ssh extension for pam.d that blocks the ip address requesting to log in as admin
03:57.31jbevrensorphin: 6 blocks
03:57.43sorphingotta love small ass towns :P
03:57.53jbevrenwho said the town was small
03:57.56jbevrenoh. I did.
03:57.57jbevrenhehe
03:58.05sorphinyep
03:58.11sorphinbumfsck IA :P
03:58.49sorphinMonMotha: here's the interesting thing
03:59.25sorphinif they're shoving this access code into the eeprom incircuit, they'd have to be careful, if this has startup code (which still eludes me why have that when you have the 2 PROMs)
04:03.05MonMothayou mean they're programming that ROM in device?
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04:05.34sorphinyes
04:05.40MonMothaodd
04:05.44MonMothanormally that's only done with flash
04:07.07sorphini took some pics of the logic board (the other boards are just input/output stuff for the controller
04:07.14sorphinfor the signals, etc
04:07.16sorphinhold
04:10.00GPSFansorphin: hey, can you test the mtd stuff? I'll see if I can get ther other serial going over thenext few days.
04:12.15sorphinMonMotha: http://wibble.captainrock.com:8090/P1010005.jpg and P1010006.jpg
04:12.26sorphinGPSFan: uh.. i'm using the mtd atm
04:12.32sorphini use an mtd jffs2 root
04:13.33GPSFansorphin: so it's working with your tweaks? ;>)
04:13.35sorphinMonMotha: U3 is the staticram, 5 and 6 are the PROMS in the 2nd picture the module is plugged in (the eeprom) and U7 is the microand you can see U13 and 14 aare the PALs
04:14.19sorphinGPSFan: seems to be, yeah
04:14.29sorphinGPSFan: feel free to look at the above pics too :)
04:16.14GPSFanthe 2816 is a 5v only part btw, so if you put together a reader, it should be easy to program it too.
04:17.03sorphinheh, my def of easy and you guy's def of easy varies greatly ;)
04:18.04GPSFanthat's what programmers are for. saves a lot of agrivation over the years.. night...
04:18.10sorphinnight ken
04:23.00MonMothasorphin: ah, they needed more space than one ROM provided, so they stuck two in
04:24.04sorphinthey have 2 roms
04:24.19sorphinthose 2 labeled chips
04:24.22sorphinboth 256k each
04:24.42MonMothayeah, they evidently needed 512k to fit everything in
04:25.09sorphinok, that's fine
04:25.14sorphinbut the eeprom
04:25.21sorphinif i pull the databoard, it won't come u pat all
04:25.52MonMothathe databoard is probably like a cart on a TRS-80 or Nintento type system
04:25.59MonMothait has the program that the system is supposed to run
04:26.31MonMothaeither that or it's used for storage, and the system has no reason to start without that present, so it doesn't do so
04:27.33MonMothayou can trace it out, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one PAL was for address decoding
04:33.30sorphinwell
04:33.34sorphinif i replace the eeprom
04:33.38sorphinw/ a cocompatible chip
04:33.41sorphinit won't start either
04:52.58MonMothaok, it probably expects there to be data on there
04:53.47sorphinnod
04:53.53sorphinoh well, i'll find out
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05:50.22sorphinassuming the local guy's programmer can read it
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12:59.44prpplagueho ho ho
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13:03.37pb_hi plague
13:06.48prpplaguepb_: howdy
13:06.54prpplaguepb_: how was the weekend??
13:07.08pb_ongoing
13:07.13pb_today is a public holiday here in the UK
13:07.20prpplagueahh cool
13:07.37prpplaguepb_: next weekend is labot day weekend in the states iirc
13:07.41pb_but, pretty good.  unusually for a bank holiday, the weather has been good.
13:09.45prpplaguepb_: ahh
13:10.25prpplaguepb_: hehe, there was something i was gonna ask you, not sure if this has a slang context, but what does "snog" mean?
13:10.49prpplaguepb_: i've heard it used on several bbc shows but didn't understand the context
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13:21.46prpplaguewahoo, we're back
13:21.47prpplaguepb_: hehe ou see this - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7763736378.html
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13:24.16pb_grr, crazy freenode
13:24.43prpplagueyes that was fun
13:24.48prpplaguepb_: hehe ou see this - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7763736378.html
13:25.10pb_prpplague: yah, "snog" is british slang for french kissing
13:25.19prpplaguepb_: ahhh
13:25.43prpplaguepb_: that fits
13:26.00pb_heh, yeah, I saw that linuxdevices article
13:26.14prpplaguevery vague on details
13:27.49pb_it is rather
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14:10.53prpplaguepb_: is your portable radio reference design available for purchase?
14:20.50CosmicPenguinmorning
14:21.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: lo ho
14:21.57pb_prpplague: no, not at the moment.  The Acoustic Energy unit will be our first product that is available in retail.
14:22.38prpplaguepb_: ahh
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14:26.19prpplaguepb_: i think i asked before, but you're not using the sd card interface on the s3c2410 right?
14:26.24pb_right
14:26.32prpplaguepb_: or the lcd
14:26.42pb_right
14:26.45prpplaguehmm
14:27.08prpplaguepb_: which bootloader are you using? custom?
14:27.18pb_yeah
14:27.52prpplaguewe are using uboot right now in the proof-of-concept stuff, but i suspect we will do something for the production model
14:30.08prpplaguepb_: you using some nand flash?
14:32.23pb_yep
14:35.36prpplaguepb_: serial flash?
14:36.10pb_no, just regular parallel nand
14:36.48prpplagueahh
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14:46.05prpplagueweeeeeee
14:47.16sorphinprpplague: sup plague
14:47.41prpplaguesorphin: ssdd
14:47.49prpplaguesorphin: totally unmotivated today
14:48.02sorphingot beat up this weekend
14:48.03sorphinheh
14:48.14prpplaguei'm looking forward to having next monday off
14:48.18sorphinditto
14:48.42sorphinnow if a certain person could call me back today so i can fscking not have to figure out how i'm gonna handle my damn vacation next month
14:49.00sorphinoh brother
14:49.07sorphinωνω Unregistered users cannot currently send private messages due to spambot
14:49.17sorphinthis network is a giant spambot
14:49.19sorphin:P
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14:53.04prpplaguewonder whats in these - http://www.halted.com/commerce/ccp17543-internet-tv-appliance-n-a-20027.htm
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15:10.19sorphinprpplague: prolly nothign special
15:11.39prpplaguesorphin: guess i missed something in the split
15:12.55sorphinprpplague: it was an answer to your question about that internet appliance
15:13.06prpplagueoh
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15:27.02CosmicPenguinToday is going to suck
15:27.05CosmicPenguinbadly
15:29.29sorphinCosmicPenguin: going to?
15:29.35sorphini thought it already did :P
15:29.42CosmicPenguinIt has all the signs
15:29.59sorphinwell, my day has been sucking since last wednesday and hasn't stopped
15:30.07sorphini don't anticipate today changing
15:30.17CosmicPenguinYeah, yeah we know - you're on call
15:30.27sorphinno
15:30.31sorphinwent offcall today
15:30.43sorphinbut there's plenty of other crap to mess up the day anyway
15:30.56sorphin1st, mortgage crap
15:31.18sorphinthen there's not being able to reach to appropriate party to have 'approval' for my vacation in 2 weeks
15:31.19jbevrenmortgage sux
15:31.34sorphinjbevren: oh shush you house renter :P
15:33.54prpplaguei prefer to rent, but donna is driving me nuts about buying a house
15:45.57jbevrenI dont think I'd mind owning
15:46.09jbevrenalthough Ic ould probably talk mu current landlord into about anything
15:46.21jbevrenmight talk 'em into a heated garage this fall
15:46.22jbevrenhehe
15:50.59sorphinheh
15:51.03sorphini wouldn't wanna rent again
15:51.18sorphinline someone else's pocket, and then if they wanna boot you out, you're homeless :P
15:52.48prpplaguesorphin: yea, i just don't like the maintence, i.e. yardwork and stuff like if the a/c goes out
15:53.36sorphini have to cut my grass maybe once a month, cuz it doesn't grow fast enough, and the back yard hasn't grown at all cuz of all the heat this summer
15:53.44sorphinand if the AC goes out
15:53.49sorphinatleast till Feb
15:53.54sorphinhome warranty fixes it
15:54.34sorphinit's already fixed the pressure relief valve on the water heater when it went out
15:54.58sorphinseller paid for the warranty
15:56.16sorphinand the nice thing.. the selling value for what this house could sell for now vs what we paid back in feb, is well more than has even been spent on it so far, and the siding/window replacement will bump it up even more (getting rid of old wood windows and masonite siding, for vinyl windows and siding)
15:59.32prpplaguesorphin: yea, well, like i said, i just prefer not having to worry about it all
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16:19.18prpplaguesorphin: hehe, i find those things very stressfull
16:39.35sorphin2 more a3000's up for sale
16:42.38sorphinheh, the listings now mention including the cd and docs
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17:10.44sorphinlinux woouldn't boot on my cisco 2501s
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17:11.23sorphinfile: unclean! unclean!
17:11.47CosmicPenguin2.6.13 hits the web, and there is much rejocing
17:11.56CosmicPenguinrejoicing
17:12.04CosmicPenguinwhatever - i don't do it often enough to know how to spell it
17:12.40sorphin~lart CosmicPenguin for defying the AMD PHBs
17:12.49CosmicPenguinerr?
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17:14.54CosmicPenguinchouimat|malaga: still in Espana, eh?
17:17.36chouimat|malagaCosmicPenguin: leaving friday ... and I blew my presentation, I booked it in 15 minutes and I was trying to get 20 minutes + open discussion ... but some one liked my idea and I had a nice discussion with him ... will see tomorrow if he's really interested
17:18.08CosmicPenguingood
17:18.17chouimat|malagaCosmicPenguin: prpplague will like it here ... coke vending machine have beer at 0.80euro in them
17:18.39CosmicPenguinheh
17:18.42chouimat|malagaCosmicPenguin: and he missed half my presentation
17:23.42sorphinCosmicPenguin: you were rejoicing
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17:45.38prpplaguechouimat: hehe cool
17:46.10chouimatprpplague: Cruzcampo ... it's ordinary
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18:07.52jbevrenmine didnt. :( Where'd you get your img?
18:07.55jbevrenoop
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18:17.15sorphinMonMotha: re
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18:22.24sorphinMonMotha: yeah, a freelode
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20:11.09sorphinyes there is
20:11.12sorphinstupic uClinux
20:11.17sorphinstupid even
20:12.01jbevrenhehe
20:13.45sorphinand just make linux fails in 5 lines
20:13.46sorphinheh
20:14.28sorphinah, vmlinux for non uClinux and linux for uClinux
20:14.31sorphineither way, it still dies
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20:15.41sorphinandersee: yo, mr andersen
20:15.50anderseesorphin: gday eh?
20:16.11sorphinandersee: should i ask you about uclinux too? ;)
20:16.40sorphin4 lines..
20:16.43sorphinm68k-elf-gcc -fno-builtin -DNO_CACHE -D__KERNEL__ -I/root/uClinux-mc68360/linux-2.4.31/include  -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O1 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe -DNO_MM -DNO_FPU -DNO_CACHE -m68332 -D__ELF__ -DMAGIC_ROM_PTR -DNO_FORGET -DUTS_SYSNAME=\"uClinux\" -D__linux__   -DKBUILD_BASENAME=main -c -o init/main.o init/main.c
20:16.43sorphin. scripts/mkversion > .tmpversion
20:16.43sorphinmake: *** [include/linux/compile.h] Error 1
20:16.52sorphin<PROTECTED>
20:17.10sorphinstupid bx caught the / at the beginning of that line
20:18.49sorphinmkversion runs fine manually, so i dunno wtf could be borking it w/ make
20:19.04anderseesorphin: dunno man
20:19.52sorphinheh
20:20.19anderseeapparently it has something to do with a past love
20:20.39sorphinuh
20:20.48andersee<stock psychic answer for all problems>
20:21.20sorphinhmm.. ok, it's not the mkversion line
20:21.43sorphinbut i guess i have to
20:22.18sorphinand there goes 500 pages of stuff i didn't wanna know
20:26.31CosmicPenguinWhat may surprise you, is that there are these files that tell you what make does
20:26.37CosmicPenguinits new, so you might have missed them
20:27.41sorphinCosmicPenguin: well, smartass, that's nice, and that's what i'm looking at now.. what i couldn't tell is WHERE THE MAKE WAS FAILING :P
20:27.51sorphinand a Makefile didnt' tell me that
20:28.04CosmicPenguinOf course, make also prints out these things... they're called... paths
20:28.16CosmicPenguinOk, I'm going somwhere else before I really piss off sorphin
20:28.25sorphinyou apparently can't read
20:28.56sorphinCosmicPenguin: /bin/sh: syntax error: unexpected EOF
20:29.03sorphinmake: *** [include/linux/compile.h] Error 1
20:29.05sorphinyeah
20:29.18sorphinthat's really descriptive to WHERE it failed in the making of compile.h
20:31.36sorphinthere
20:31.38sorphinfound it
20:31.53sorphinalways works to put echo statements before each line to you can see where it stops
20:32.31sorphin<PROTECTED>
20:33.25sorphinnot that way in stock 2.4.31
20:34.01sorphinyay
20:34.01sorphinfixed
20:36.27sorphindoh
20:36.35sorphin<PROTECTED>
20:38.43sorphinand google reveals...
20:38.45sorphinnothing
20:38.54sorphindamn
20:41.40sorphin~8ball will i get this stupid kernel to compile?
20:41.41ibotYes.
20:41.45sorphinliar
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20:45.13sorphinprpplague: dont' suppose you've ever seen that error huh?
20:46.32prpplaguesorphin: which error?
20:46.53sorphinprpplague: /usr/local/bin/m68k-elf-ld.real: region flash is full (linux section .text)
20:47.13prpplagueuh no
20:48.02sorphindamn
20:49.32sorphinwtf is region flash
20:51.34sorphinnope.. must be the kernel
20:53.58sorphinhmm.. nothing in the kernel either.. ok, that's odd
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21:13.37sorphini'm not using flash, i dont' even have flash compile in the kernel
21:13.47sorphinso there's no damn region flash to care about
21:13.55sorphinstupid ld/kernel
21:14.15jbevrenembedded initrd?
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21:31.30sorphinjbevren: negative
21:31.40jbevrenby that I meant in-kernel
21:31.45sorphinwas just a simple run from ram kernel
21:31.50CosmicPenguinsorphin: make sure the .lds doesn't have a flash region defined
21:31.54file[laptop]would you happen to know what Shasta is?
21:31.59sorphinfile[laptop]: yes
21:32.07CosmicPenguinIts a volcano, a lake and a soft drink
21:32.16sorphinand a piece of network gear
21:32.16file[laptop]CosmicPenguin: also a protocol I'm guessing
21:32.33jbevrenfile: I got group dialing to work :)
21:32.38file[laptop]my telco uses it on their highest DSL-like service
21:32.59sorphinshasta is a Nortel device
21:33.23file[laptop]any further details?
21:33.41file[laptop]cause they charge a hefty install fee for it...
21:33.45sorphinhehe
21:33.53sorphinthey're very large boxes
21:33.58sorphinBSN
21:34.02sorphinBroadband Service Node
21:34.06sorphinwe used 2 at MCI
21:34.12file[laptop]that do what?
21:34.24sorphintalk DSL
21:34.42file[laptop]so why would my ISP use that... on their medium business service
21:34.51sorphinuhh
21:34.54file[laptop]they seem content with PPPoE for the lessers
21:35.04sorphinit's not a protocol
21:35.13sorphinit's the device that's providing the dsl
21:35.50file[laptop]I wonder if they just mean it's bridged...
21:36.10sorphinthe Shasta talks DSL/ATM
21:36.24file[laptop]interesting none the less
21:36.30sorphinno relevance to if you're using PPPoE or not
21:36.39sorphinyou will always talk ATM on dsl
21:36.44sorphinAAL5SNAP
21:36.53file[laptop]well it's just under Access for that service they put Shasta instead of PPPoE
21:37.07sorphinhmm
21:37.25sorphinmaybe they only use the Shasta for higher end customers?
21:37.31sorphinfor dedicated
21:37.47sorphinpppoe generally isn't considered a dedicated service
21:38.07CosmicPenguinheh - a new study shows that a cup of coffee is good for you
21:38.07sorphinjust like ppp on dialup isn't
21:38.08sorphinCosmicPenguin: drink lots ;)
21:38.08CosmicPenguinIt just goes to show - these people have no idea whats good for us or not
21:46.33CosmicPenguingrrr... I thought this was going to work
21:46.35CosmicPenguinbut it didn't
21:47.05sorphinCosmicPenguin: sounds like me and the kernel
21:47.12CosmicPenguinNow I have to trace it
21:47.17CosmicPenguinbah
21:47.19sorphinCosmicPenguin: what .lds ?
21:47.44CosmicPenguinIts a loader script file
21:47.54CosmicPenguinbasically, what defines the sections and other information to the kernel
21:48.00sorphinah
21:48.03CosmicPenguinscratch that
21:48.11CosmicPenguindefines the sections and other information for the final binary
21:48.35sorphinoh, purty ASM
22:26.33sorphinheh
22:27.03sorphinCosmicPenguin: nothing visible in the vmlinux.lds in m68k
22:27.10sorphinbut what the hell do i know
22:28.01sorphinthat ld warning mentioned .text
22:28.03sorphinbut
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22:28.21sorphinthat's all that is in there in the .lds file
22:28.22sorphinheh
22:28.33sorphini dunno where to look next
22:28.38sorphinthis crap is over my head
22:29.39CosmicPenguinWell, a make -n will at least show you what command is executing
22:29.42CosmicPenguinthat will be a start
22:30.18sorphinright, saw the command
22:30.31CosmicPenguinwhich was?
22:32.42sorphin1 sec, gotta let the Athlon do it's job ;)
22:32.53CosmicPenguinseesh - get a real processor
22:33.07sorphinhehe
22:33.17sorphinmy P4 is doing other things :P
22:33.26sorphinand ican't afford that high end AMD :P
22:41.07sorphinCosmicPenguin: ok
22:41.18sorphinthe command is: (mini flood coming)
22:41.21sorphinm68k-elf-ld -T arch/m68knommu/platform/68360/uCquicc/ram.ld arch/m68knommu/platform/68360/uCquicc/crt0_ram.o init/main.o init/version.o init/do_mounts.o \
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22:42.08sorphinhmm
22:42.13sorphinjust looked at arch/m68knommu/platform/68360/uCquicc/ram.ld
22:42.22sorphinMEMORY
22:42.22sorphin{
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22:42.40sorphinmaybe that's the problem
22:42.40sorphinheh
22:43.05CosmicPenguinThat might be
22:44.56CosmicPenguinbye
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22:44.56sorphinstupid freelode
22:44.56sorphinCosmicPenguin: now, as i was gonna say
22:44.56sorphini dunno what to do w/ that tho, since i'm not even gonna be touching the flash
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22:58.19sorphinwell, there came and went another 1/4 of the world
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23:00.14sorphinheh
23:00.21sorphinOpenSource cars in Spain
23:01.29sorphinTimRiker: mr tim
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23:07.54sorphinor do i get desynced here too?
23:08.04sorphin"is this thing on?"
23:09.03sorphinheh
23:09.12sorphinguess that means i can atleast talk in here
23:09.15sorphinstupid freelode
23:09.29CosmicPenguinApparently their new software isn't working very well at all
23:09.41sorphinyeah, you can't even /msg nickserv to identify
23:09.45sorphinbecause you're not identified
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23:10.00sorphinbut you still don't get +v'd in #freenode
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23:18.43sorphinsjhill: yo lackey
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23:20.17sorphinTimRiker: re
23:23.20sjhillhey sorphin
23:23.25sjhillTimRiker: Hi Timeee
23:30.30CosmicPenguinDrive by greeting
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