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00:24.03sorphin~cluebat kergoth for pretending to be a network monkey, but really being a network n00b ;)
00:24.04ibotACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps kergoth for pretending to be a network monkey, but really being a network n00b ;).
00:34.10kergothhehe. oh i know i'm a n00b, getting there though ;)
00:34.16kergothlearning more everyday
00:35.52sorphindual ethernet
00:35.56sorphincheap
00:36.07sorphinthat i can mod to replace my stupid cisco
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00:43.22sorphinsjhill: oh crap, not you again
00:43.58sjhillyeah
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00:54.45sorphinsjhill: sup lackey?
00:55.27sjhillsorphin: debuggin NPTL thread applications for glibc and uclibc
00:55.31sjhillwelcome to hell
00:55.53kergothfun fun
00:56.12kergothhmm, i should really reflash my wrt54gs with something i can actually make meet my needs
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00:59.45sorphinand my friend mike (the guy who does openwrt) is moving to California on the 10th
01:00.17kergothheh, i should finish getting oe to build something like openwrt
01:00.20kergothone of these years
01:01.38kergothmonotone is pissing me off though
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06:00.13TimRikeranyone hacked on a Sony Librie? Internally it has a 100 pin "test" connector. I'm hoping serial and perhaps JTAG can be found there. ;-)
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14:05.53prpplaguepb_: morning
14:06.32pb_hi plague
14:08.55prpplaguepb_: whats cookin?
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14:17.08CosmicPenguinMorning
14:18.00pb_prpplague: not a lot; spent the morning stuck in financial meetings.
14:21.23prpplaguelovely
14:30.50CosmicPenguinmmm... money
14:30.53kergothmorning, unfortunately
14:31.03kergothpayday though, yay
14:33.12CosmicPenguinhttp://www.drinkatwork.com/mediumlarge.html
14:33.12CosmicPenguinheh
14:34.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: which one? or all of them?
14:37.06CosmicPenguinheh - I meant the first one, but I like Medium Large
14:37.07CosmicPenguinits funny
14:39.09prpplaguei like the big bird one
14:39.48CosmicPenguinDid you know that Medium Large is written by a cartoonist that also has a syndicated strip?
14:40.18prpplaguenever heard of it before today
14:41.09CosmicPenguinHe also writes Sally Forth
14:41.51CosmicPenguinI first heard of it on the Comics Curmudgeon web site
14:41.53CosmicPenguinhttp://joshreads.com/
14:44.03sorphinprpplague: lo
14:45.23CosmicPenguinanother day, another fire
14:47.15prpplaguesorphin: lo
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15:24.13CosmicPenguinkergoth: you ever get the quilt guys to take your wiggle patch?
15:25.18kergothnope.  there was a bit of discussion, but i dont see it being accepted
15:26.26sorphinsjhill: lackeys-R-Us
15:33.26CosmicPenguinSome times wiggle does ok, and other times it gets horribly confused
15:34.16kergothyeah
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15:36.34Genesisbonjour
15:39.47CosmicPenguinkergoth: So have you been playing with networking stuff at home too?
15:41.09kergothCosmicPenguin: not much yet.  i really need to get some decent firmware on my wrt54gs.  its acting as the gateway/NAT box.  once i do that, i'll be setting up qos and some traffic monitoring stuff
15:47.52prpplagueanyone coded for a bidirectional pc parallel port?
15:50.41pb_yeah, once upon a time
15:51.00prpplaguepb_: difficult to do from userland?
15:52.38CosmicPenguinHeh - say want you want to about AMD, but they're community aware - we already have a Katrina matching program in place
15:56.32CosmicPenguinkergoth: I might have a few of these, if you're interested in having hardware at home:  http://tinyurl.com/7tmlb
15:58.47CosmicPenguinThat goes for anyone else who does networking too
15:58.55CosmicPenguinMonMotha: you might be interested too - that would fit your script nicely
16:01.08jbevrennice
16:01.36jbevrenshame I couldnt afford one :)
16:02.31CosmicPenguinYou have no code to offer? :)
16:02.46jbevrenI'm not a coder :P
16:02.49jbevrenI'm just a gadget freak
16:02.50jbevrenhehe
16:04.12jbevrenI still want a fast mips64 laptop :)
16:04.15jbevrensigh :P
16:04.43CosmicPenguinYou'll have to go find somebody else - we're not in the fast MIPS business
16:04.52jbevrennod
16:05.02jbevrenyou guys are networking guys (?)
16:05.07CosmicPenguinAMD?
16:05.15jbevrenyoure at amd?
16:05.21kergothCosmicPenguin: slick, would definately be interested
16:05.22CosmicPenguincheck the whois.. :)
16:05.26kergothhehe
16:05.28CosmicPenguinkergoth: ok, e-mail me your info and you're in
16:05.29jbevrenhah
16:05.31jbevrenNOW you tell me :)
16:05.41CosmicPenguins/info/shipping info/
16:06.20CosmicPenguinkergoth: yeah, I've got two of them here - I have a OE image on it, I'm just looking for some time to finish up the firewall part
16:07.11CosmicPenguinI sort of wish it had 5 individual nics so I could switch it, but what are you gonna do? :)
16:07.16kergothhehe
16:07.34jbevrenCosmicPenguin: is the switch chip VLAN capable?
16:07.41jbevrenif even port-vlan'ed
16:07.58kergothhmm, wonder if any existing iptables/firewall scripts are worth using, or if i should just bite the bullet and start a new project to let the user manipulate routing and firewalling policies through lua scripts
16:08.03kergothjbevren: excellent question
16:08.15CosmicPenguinkergoth: MonMotha runs a script that I thought was pretty cool
16:08.17jbevrenif its port-vlan'ed, you can provide multiple lan-side ports that way :)
16:08.21CosmicPenguinthough I like the lua idea
16:08.24jbevren(a-la linksys)
16:08.29kergothurl?
16:09.02CosmicPenguinjbevren: as far as I know, I think the 4 port contraption is a repeater
16:09.09jbevrendoh
16:09.15CosmicPenguinat least, when I booted up, I only saw two ports
16:09.26jbevrennod.
16:09.29CosmicPenguinWhich, like I said, is sort of sad, because the whole vlan / switching thing would have been nice
16:09.35jbevrenwhat's the switch IC?
16:11.59CosmicPenguinThe NIC is internal to the 1500
16:12.36CosmicPenguinI'n not entirely sure what handles the repeating - it might be one of the unabled ICs close to the RJ45s
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16:17.21CosmicPenguinkergoth: http://monmotha.mplug.org/firewall/index.php
16:18.19jbevrenthe 1500 has two NICs?
16:18.41kergothCosmicPenguin: cool, thanks
16:18.44CosmicPenguinYeah, two macs - yeah, I think
16:18.47jbevrenah
16:18.48jbevrenok
16:18.52CosmicPenguinI don't have a datasheet in front of me
16:18.57jbevrennp
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16:44.16T`moin guys
16:44.44kergothhey
16:45.06filehi
16:46.23CosmicPenguinmorning
16:47.09kergothhmmm
16:47.33kergothtrying to find a clean way for a user to express their routing and packet filtering/mangling policies in lua without being locked into a specific implementation
16:47.53kergothitd be cool to use the same script on ipchains vs iptables vs bsd pf
16:52.07CosmicPenguin~lart this fsckin' proxy
16:52.17kergothheh, dont miss that about big companies
16:52.44CosmicPenguinStupid thing can't figure out FTP properlly
16:55.00MonMothapeople still use my script?
16:55.11kergothhehe
16:55.24MonMothakergoth: I've been meaning to redo it in some form of like a wizard or somethingl ike that
16:55.34MonMothaallow people to take advantage of all the strange modules iptables has
16:55.50MonMothahashlimit and connmark are incredibly powerful
16:55.58kergothwhats hashlimit?
16:56.01kergothuse connmark all the time
16:56.14MonMothahashlimit is an extension of the old connlimit
16:56.17kergothahh right
16:56.18kergothcool
16:56.31jbevrenconnlimit was very handy
16:56.47MonMothathere was soemthing I worked out that used the quota match with connmark to implement bulk/interactive classification for HTTP for use with traffic control
16:56.58MonMothasince HTTP is used for both interactive web browsing as well as bulk downloading
16:57.10MonMothaI think it was the quota match
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16:57.37jbevrenah
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16:57.48jbevrento allow fast download of small objects?
16:57.56jbevren(and limit large objects)
16:58.12jbevrenI just want my ICMP and RTP packets to be at the head of the queue
16:58.13jbevrenhehe
16:58.14MonMothajbevren: basically, the idea was to let people feel like a small pipe was more interactiev for casual surfing
16:58.24jbevrenah
16:58.27MonMothabasically, penalize bulk downloads a bit so that interactive HTTP seems more responsive
16:58.34jbevrenright
16:58.51MonMothathe biggest thing you can do though is to put ACKs at the head of teh queue
16:59.09kergothman, when i was in texas, if i started up some bittorrents, itd hose the latency of everyone in my entire apartment complex.  somebody needs to teach those people about qos
16:59.24jbevrenhehe
16:59.27MonMothakergoth: most apartment complexes are set up badly
16:59.38MonMothaI had one where they had two T1s for like 500 people.  It was slow, to say the least
16:59.39kergoth:(
16:59.42kergothjeeze
16:59.43MonMothanot to mention the dual T1 was set up wrong
16:59.55MonMothait was rare that it would even touch the second T1
17:00.03MonMothahowever, that was a router issue, and the ISP owned the router
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17:32.46CosmicPenguinGrr
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18:00.12jbevren<PROTECTED>
18:00.22jbevrenhow about using (cached) dns for firewall lookups
18:00.31jbevrenit'd be great for large server farms (like ours)
18:00.32jbevrenhehe
18:00.42jbevrenalthough bind wouuld completely eat it
18:00.46jbevren:-D
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18:10.20kergothCosmicPenguin: what email address should i send that shipping info to?
18:13.24prpplaguekergoth: lnxho@amd.com
18:13.41jbevren. o O ( linux ho? )
18:13.44jbevrenhehe
18:25.37prpplaguehehe this smartmedia rocks
18:25.46prpplagueperfect way to prototype nand flash
18:26.23jbevrenhehe
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18:39.42sorphinprpplague: i looked at that link you pasted about smartmedia
18:39.59sorphinit's working in place of normal nand no issues?
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18:45.32prpplaguesorphin: yep, as thats all it is
18:45.50prpplaguesorphin: smartmedia is nothing more than a nand flash chip in a removable package
18:46.29prpplaguesorphin: i'm testing one now with my own uclinux distro on it in the juicebox in place of a juiceware cartridge
18:55.47kergothhttp://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20050510/index.html
18:56.29prpplagueinteresting
18:57.19kergothvery cool.  bluetooth wireless headphones, with mic, and a normal audio jack -> bt dongle.  i'm sooo tempted
18:59.29kergothhehe. i want them for my portable mp3 player, and for voip stuff at home via my bt dongle there, and for gaming at home during lan parties .. headphones are nice for that so people dont hear what you're doing, and its wireless and spiffy
18:59.48prpplaguekergoth: ahh
19:00.06kergothoh, and the obvious, using it as a bt headset for phone calls on my bt cell phone
19:00.23kergothand itll ring through the music i'm listneing to on the mp3 player and let me choose to take the call
19:00.25kergoth:)
19:00.40prpplaguenow thats cool
19:15.47sorphinprpplague: interesting.. i'll have to try that
19:16.55prpplaguesorphin: problem is programming it
19:17.09prpplaguesorphin: the usb->smartmedia adapters are designed to be used with fat
19:17.11CosmicPenguin~CosmicPenguin
19:17.12ibotyou are probably Jordan Crouse or jordan.crouse@amd.com (work) or jordan@cosmicpenguin.net (home)
19:17.18CosmicPenguinkergoth: the amd.com one
19:17.18prpplaguesorphin: so no raw writes
19:21.10kergothCosmicPenguin: k, sent
19:23.22CosmicPenguingot it, thanks
19:31.46sorphinprpplague: uh..
19:31.57sorphinnot hooking up directly?
19:32.03sorphinaka hardwired
19:32.10prpplaguesorphin: what?
19:32.20sorphinyou're using an adapter?
19:32.27sorphinthought you were hardwiring like normal flash
19:33.07prpplaguesorphin: i am hardwiring it like flash
19:33.26prpplaguesorphin: but if i want to program the flash from my desktop, i can't use a usb adapter to do it
19:33.32sorphinah
19:33.35sorphinwell
19:33.53sorphinyou can't program normal nand flash from your desktop either can you? :P
19:34.04prpplaguesorphin: with the right hardware
19:34.20sorphinthen why can't you use that same hardware for the smartmedia?
19:34.21prpplaguesorphin: just bit banging from the parallel port
19:34.28prpplaguesorphin: i can
19:34.34sorphinthen there's no issue :)
19:34.43prpplaguesorphin: just it would have been nice to use an adapter
19:34.54prpplaguesorphin: i can probably can use some adapters
19:35.07prpplaguesorphin: just gotta remove the bits and pieces for fs support
19:35.16sorphinmy 6-in-1 don't care about the filesystem to my knowledge
19:35.27sorphinthe OS does
19:35.41sorphinalso have a pcmcia smartmedia adapter
19:35.55prpplaguesorphin: that is partially true, but the asic inside does do some h/c/s conversions based on old fat support
19:36.20CosmicPenguinNot always
19:36.34CosmicPenguinI have a digital concepts 8 in 1 that doesn't do anything stupid
19:36.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: correct, not always, but the vast majority from what i am reading from the mtd list do
19:37.11CosmicPenguinI've been writing ext2 to my SD cards and CF, so I'm assuming the same would hold true for the SM slot
19:37.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: not from what i am reading
19:38.02MonMothasmartmedia is apparently not so smart
19:38.02CosmicPenguinI can only report what's on my desk
19:38.40CosmicPenguinI admit I haven't tried smartmedia with this reader, but I would be surprised if they went out and made a special asic for just the SM
19:44.54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: trying to re-find the post from dwmw2
19:48.37MonMothaprpplague: I do remember reading something about a bunch of assumptions made wrt smartmedia's on-chip format and the filesystem
19:48.43MonMothaespecially because of bad block handling
19:50.22prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2003-July/008266.html
19:51.10CosmicPenguinWell, with all due respect, that e-mail is 25 months old
19:51.10CosmicPenguin:)
19:51.20CosmicPenguinIf I had a SM card, I would try it
19:51.40CosmicPenguinAnd I don't doubt that evil FPGAs existed, I've seen them before - assume FAT and other issues
19:51.44kergotheh, that email just seems to imply that you dont have raw access tot eh flash, hence, no jffs2, not that you cant run filesystems other than fat
19:51.49kergothunless i'm missing something
19:52.06prpplaguekergoth: that is correct
19:52.08kergoths/no jffs2/no mtd/
19:52.19prpplaguekergoth: you can still use the card under linux as storage
19:52.23CosmicPenguin<prpplague> sorphin: just gotta remove the bits and pieces for fs support
19:52.35CosmicPenguinI guess I didn't understand what you were trying to say
19:53.07kergoth<prpplague> sorphin: the usb->smartmedia adapters are designed to be used with fat
19:53.22CosmicPenguinYeah, and thats incorrect
19:53.25prpplaguekergoth: correct, the vast majority are
19:53.26kergothi dont see how that email implies that at all
19:53.34CosmicPenguinor at least its not correct for anything
19:53.38CosmicPenguins/anything/all of them/
19:53.49prpplaguenext post - http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2003-July/008268.html
19:54.00kergothyes
19:54.09kergothwhich says you wont get mtd level access to it
19:54.14prpplagueright
19:54.17prpplaguewhich is the problem
19:54.20kergothwhich we've already established
19:54.24kergothand has nothing at all to do with fat
19:55.01prpplaguekergoth: ok, maybe a word issue, as the translation was designed for fat operations
19:55.15prpplaguekergoth: its the translation that is the issue
19:56.05prpplaguewhen i dd an image to the card, i need my image block one to go to the actual block one on the card
19:56.13prpplaguei need true mtd operations
19:56.49kergotheh? you dont need mtd level access to flash for a dd to function
19:56.53kergothyou dont get mtd level access to cf cards either
19:56.56kergothand dd works flawlessly
19:57.51prpplaguehmm, guess i'm not making myself clear
19:59.25prpplaguei need to store a byte at address of 0x00 on the flash, i can't do that using the usb->smartmedia adapter
19:59.37kergothokay, which has absolutely nothing to do with fat
19:59.43kergothand everything to do with having low level access to the card
19:59.52prpplaguethats what i've been saying
19:59.55kergothno
20:00.00kergothyou've been saying that you cant use filesystems other than fat
20:00.03kergothwhich sounds like a crock of shit
20:00.35prpplaguekergoth: ok i definetly wasn't making myself clear
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20:01.33prpplaguekergoth: i wasn't saying you can't use other fs's, what i was saying is that most of the usb->smartmedia adapters were design to be used with fat, so they have a psuedo translation layer in between which prevents raw access
20:02.21CosmicPenguinsjhill: sorry I didn't get your PM earlier, I didn't register and freenode cut me off
20:02.27kergothprpplague: okay, that makes sense
20:02.28kergoth<CosmicPenguin> I've been writing ext2 to my SD cards and CF, so I'm assuming the same would hold true for the SM slot
20:02.28kergoth<prpplague> CosmicPenguin: not from what i am reading
20:02.29CosmicPenguins/get/respond to/
20:02.31kergoth^-that does not :P
20:03.03sjhillCosmicPenguin: np
20:03.44prpplaguekergoth: hmm, that was a miss understanding on my part
20:04.10sjhillhttp://www.realitydiluted.com/kbd.gif
20:05.10prpplaguekergoth: yea i was responding to the statement <CosmicPenguin> I have a digital concepts 8 in 1 that doesn't do anything stupid
20:05.48prpplaguekergoth: all i was saying is that most usb->smartmedia adapters don't support raw access
20:06.05kergothi dont see how not giving you raw access makes it stupid. it behaves like cf readers, and sd readers, and..
20:06.14kergothheh
20:07.26CosmicPenguinI can see the not having raw access being bad for MTD, but it doesn't make it unusable for other block operations
20:07.58prpplaguekergoth: yea, problem is i need to put code on the card for which i can't have scrambled
20:08.05kergothCosmicPenguin: right
20:09.37prpplaguenone the less, from my experience and reading, if you want to program nand flash, you have to have special hardware for raw access
20:10.39T`prpplague, by scrambling you mean back-to-back sector r/w's ?
20:11.42prpplagueT`: and not reserving blocks for fat
20:12.06T`prpplague, well, most of these cards have internal i/o interface controllers
20:12.30prpplagueT`: right, however smartmedia doesn't
20:12.44T`ah.. ok not too sure abou tthat.. i only played with CF
20:12.47prpplagueT`: smartmedia is nothing more than a nand flash chip in a package
20:12.58T`hmm.. over spi?
20:13.04CosmicPenguinThe reserving blocks for fat thing gets me - I haven't experienced that myself - and I do a lot of partition writing
20:13.13prpplagueT`: nope standard nand flash interface
20:13.50T`aah.. ok.. just googled for this.. i was confusing with SD
20:13.54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i don't think its inherant in cf or sd, from what i gather its the specs for smartmedia
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20:15.10CosmicPenguinDoes the SM spec specifically allocate FAT blocks?
20:15.16CosmicPenguinBecause thats messed up
20:15.39T`CosmicPenguin, actually i wont be too surprised abotu that.. most flashes use FAT as their filesystems
20:16.01CosmicPenguinYeah, but its one thing for common pratice, its a whole other thing for the spec to indicate it
20:16.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: the spec i downloaded does
20:16.14T`it seems to be a carry on from the OEMs practices
20:16.21CosmicPenguinThe SD spec doesn't do anything like that
20:16.26CosmicPenguinUgly
20:16.35T`SD isn't a pure nand flash
20:16.55CosmicPenguinWell, its less about the flash technology and more about how interface to the technology, isn't it?
20:17.04T`prpplague, is the spec free to download?
20:17.04CosmicPenguins/how/the/
20:17.16sorphinno
20:17.24CosmicPenguinprpplague: so end result, SM is unusable for boot purposes
20:17.27sorphinwell, not for SD/mmc
20:17.32CosmicPenguinHe's wrong
20:17.39CosmicPenguinMMC is fully free, SD is mostly free
20:17.44sorphinhe pasted a link for the details about smartmedia (well, some of them)
20:18.12T`i remember trying to build some hardware for SD and not able to find a decent spec... may be they loosened up lately
20:18.17prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no, smartmedia is after all just nand flash, but the problem is that usb->smartmedia adapters implement the specs for smartmedia
20:18.29CosmicPenguinoh, sure....
20:18.31CosmicPenguinnow I see the problem
20:18.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i have a parallel port adapter i built, programs it fine
20:18.45T`prpplague, well, you should not get one of those bridge chip solutions
20:18.55T`prpplague, but then again thats all they probably have in the market now..
20:19.04T`:/
20:19.42prpplagueboth samsung and toshiba provide usb adapters that are designed for full smartmedia and nand flash access
20:21.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm currently running a custom uclinux dist on my just box booted from a smartmedia card
20:22.07prpplagueT`: the prolific pl2518 could be used to program smartmedia
20:22.24prpplagueT`: just haven't gotten my hands on one yet to test with
20:23.18T`prpplague, is that a chipset?
20:23.51prpplagueT`: yea
20:23.59prpplagueT`: usb to nand flash
20:24.14T`is there any reason you want to do this through USB?
20:24.31T`a serial solution with a PIC will be very easy
20:25.02prpplagueT`: just want to be able to dump a new .bin to the flash from my desktop
20:25.28prpplagueT`: like i said already doing it through the parallel port, just was hoping for something a little less cumbersom
20:25.49T`ahh.. didn't read the // port thing
20:27.25prpplagueT`: i need to double check the datasheet for the pl-2518 but i'm pretty sure it doesn't do any translation
20:27.46T`i'm looking on their website .. only see a brochure.. no datasheet
20:29.48prpplagueT`: its burried
20:31.10T`how will you take care of burn-in problems? (unless you dont care) ?
20:31.29prpplagueT`: running as read-only
20:32.07T`aah ok cool
20:32.09prpplagueT`: shouldn't be to big of a problem
20:32.25prpplagueT`: just need to put some bootloader code and thats it
20:32.51T`yea... on prob :)
20:33.35T`btw, is this for your modifying the seed of chucky doll ? ;)
20:33.56T`s/modifying/modified
20:33.57prpplaguehehe, juicebox hacking and general learning
20:35.14T`cool.. is this the video player from mattel?
20:36.05sjhillyep
20:36.46prpplaguesjhill: howdy
20:36.50prpplaguesjhill: whats cookin?
20:37.11sjhillnothing yet
20:37.11prpplagueT`: yea, almost got a homebrew cartridge ready to post
20:42.56T`hehe i c.. do you know what the LCD specs are for that box? If you recommend it I might get one to use as my car mp3 player
20:43.49prpplagueT`: yes i have the specs at http://www.elinux.org/JuiceBox
20:44.04prpplagueT`: however i don't recommend it for any serious music playing
20:44.33prpplaguehttp://unix.freshmeat.net/projects/nand-flash-util/
20:44.51T`404 on that juicebox link
20:45.06prpplagueok sorry
20:45.11prpplagueT`: yes i have the specs at http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBox
20:45.20jbevrenhttp://www.elinux.org/wiki/
20:45.21T`500 on that ;0
20:45.22jbevrenerror 500
20:45.24jbevren:)
20:45.29jbevrenanyway
20:45.33jbevrenthe JuiceBox page is under the Wiki
20:46.24prpplaguelovely looks like the wiki is down
20:46.36jbevrenappears so
20:48.42T`prpplague, do you host the servers from the island?
20:48.55prpplagueT`: no its on sf.net
20:48.58prpplagueT`: iirc
20:49.03T`aah ok
20:49.04prpplagueT`: TimRiker is the maintainer
20:49.38prpplagueT`: he's suppose to be moving to another server as soon as he gets settled at his new location
20:49.39jbevren'the island'?
20:49.39jbevrendoctor moreau(sp?)?
20:49.42jbevrenhehe
20:49.58jbevrenoh yeah
20:50.02jbevrenI remember you saying something about that
20:50.05T`hehe
20:50.24T`plague got it all figured out on "Tax Evasion for Geeks"
20:50.36CosmicPenguinJust plain evasion
20:50.40T`lol
20:50.57prpplaguehehe
20:53.49coleprpplague: Hi!
20:53.59prpplaguecole: hey hey bud
20:54.04coleI haven't done much with the JB lately :
20:54.05cole:(
20:54.16coleHave you gotten your own code to run on it yet?
20:54.36prpplaguecole: hehe, don't feel bad, seems like i'm still the only one hacking
20:54.51prpplaguecole: yea, but there are few kinks to work out
20:54.59coleI have mine talking to JTAG using my Xilinx cable, but having problems reading anything other than the ID out!
20:55.09prpplaguecole: the bootloader is still doing some checks, but i'm not sure what they are
20:55.18coleok
20:55.55coleI'm using the openwince jtag tools
20:56.03prpplaguecole: found out yesterday i could use smartmedia cards
20:56.35prpplaguecole: did you get the one with the b0x patches?
20:57.11colenot sure - what's that?  I don;t have any 8M vers
20:58.21coleI bought 4 of the 1M (or 2M?) versions
20:58.21prpplaguecole: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~borisov/
20:58.21prpplaguecole: thats ok, the 2mb ram versions will work fine
21:00.58coleprpplague: thx for the link - Ill see what they did with the JTAG config that differed from what I did.
21:04.18prpplaguecole: np
21:04.37prpplaguecole: i'm hoping to have complete howto on a homebrew cart up soon
21:06.12coleprpplague: THat would be great!!!
21:06.30coleprpplague: I'm heading home.  Catch you later
21:06.41prpplaguecole: later
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21:16.46TimRikerwiki's back, more or less.
21:18.13prpplagueTimRiker: what happened?
21:18.37TimRikersomeone nuked files. it happens now and then. that's why I do backups.
21:18.52T`nuked! ?
21:19.20kergotheep
21:20.22prpplagueTimRiker: argh
21:20.39prpplagueTimRiker: how much did we loose? i haven't backed up my stuff for atleast 2 weeks
21:21.18prpplaguecrap, lost a ton of stuff
21:21.50prpplague!$#%!$#%!@$%@$
21:27.13TimRikerprpplague: lost tons?
21:27.50prpplagueTimRiker: about 10 pages
21:28.00prpplagueTimRiker: and a bunch of links changes
21:28.03prpplagueTimRiker: i can redo
21:28.04kergoth:(
21:28.16TimRikergimme a missing page and let me see if I can find it.
21:29.13prpplagueTimRiker: JuiceBoxCartridge
21:29.25prpplagueTimRiker: and JuiceBoxLCD are the two that i'm concerned about
21:29.32prpplagueTimRiker: i didn't have those backed up
21:31.20TimRiker=( don't have that in a backup. last backup was the 17th, though some pages didn't get nuked.
21:33.02prpplagueTimRiker: enduser did this?
21:33.11TimRikerbummer. I guess I really need to get off SF.
21:33.39prpplagueTimRiker: yea sf sucks for this
21:33.43TimRikerdon't know. someone with shell access to SF, but could be anyone, not just eLinux folk.
21:34.10prpplaguejeeze
21:34.30prpplagueTimRiker: if you need some funds for hosting let me know
21:36.03TimRikerI'll just move it to the house at some point. I should pickup a newer server though. the current box is a k6 300 =/
21:36.22prpplaguehmm, walmart?
21:36.33TimRiker=)
21:37.02prpplaguegotta head out to pick up the critters
21:37.04prpplagueTimRiker: hehe
21:37.12prpplagueTimRiker: later
21:37.16TimRikerl8tr
21:37.39TimRikerthe RecentChanges is back, but most edits since the 17th are gone.
21:40.37kergothdamnit, what the hell is up with this code. i hardly changed anything and now i'm getting error 500's from the cgi
21:52.03kergoth<purple_cow> ``Katrina actually prevents a disaster as production is halted on the new Kevin Costner/Ashton Kucher film in Louisiana''
21:52.45CosmicPenguinheh
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22:02.57sorphinclear
22:02.59sorphingrr
22:16.34CosmicPenguinhttp://www.phoneyworld.com/newspage.aspx?n=1326
22:16.35CosmicPenguinwow
22:16.36CosmicPenguinerr...
22:16.37CosmicPenguinyeah
22:16.38CosmicPenguinwow
22:19.35kergothwoah
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22:28.12T`pretty cool
22:28.40T`kinda delicate though
22:30.20CosmicPenguinThats technology gone amuck
22:32.28kergothhehe
22:32.43T`interesing though.. this means the space between the outer enclosure and the pin contacts of USB connections is same as the thickness of the SD card
22:33.09T`may be they designed the connectors (atleast type-A) with this kinda thing in mind?
22:33.30CosmicPenguinPossibly
22:34.03CosmicPenguinFar more likely that it was just dumb luck though
22:37.13T`heh
22:38.51CosmicPenguinThere are those in the world who excel in taking disjoint and broken things somehow making them work
22:39.05CosmicPenguinthere should be an 'and' somewhere in there
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23:03.37CosmicPenguinheh
23:05.00T`uCs ?
23:05.27T`PIC, APIC, IOAPICs, and all the .so PIC compiled code
23:05.31T`hehe
23:12.56sorphinah, ic
23:13.17CosmicPenguinToo bad for you - I made a global offer of hardware earlier, but you probably didn't see it
23:13.44sorphinCosmicPenguin: uh huh
23:14.06CosmicPenguinAsk anyone - kergoth has a package on the way
23:14.15CosmicPenguinjbevren didn't have anything to offer in return
23:14.35sorphinneither do i, as you've said before
23:14.43sorphinso hence why i'm sol
23:14.44CosmicPenguinActually, this hardware fits you very well
23:15.02sorphinoh?
23:15.34T`cp, what hw ?
23:16.09sorphin~lart gasprices
23:16.27sorphinup to $2.99 here btw (tho i just got it for less cuz one station was still cheaper)
23:16.39CosmicPenguinI had a tinyurl earlier - ibot logs will tell ya, I guess
23:17.59sorphinheh
23:18.17CosmicPenguinI've got about 2 dozen tabs open, I can't find diddily
23:18.17sorphinCosmicPenguin: well, unless the offer is still open (even to me), i'm not gonna dig
23:20.35sorphinwell, ibot's log isn't recorded yet for today
23:20.38sorphinoh well
23:38.02sorphinheh
23:43.47sorphinCosmicPenguin: wasn't the PIC was it?
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23:50.20T`sorphin, been around $3.05 here
23:50.25T`in palo alto region, CA
23:51.08sorphinnod
23:51.20sorphinfor what my car requires, it's $3.19
23:51.26sorphinheh
23:51.30T`i read in the morning marketwatch that it might hit $4
23:51.36T`diesel?
23:51.36sorphini'll be walking then
23:51.47sorphinwhat's funny is, bush just released 7mil barrels of reserve
23:52.01sorphinthey're not doing this cuz they have to now (the prices), they're doing it cuz they can
23:52.11sorphinthe crap in the south doesn't affect us
23:52.15sorphinno
23:52.19sorphinhigh octane
23:52.33T`oh.. i was talking about high octane at 3.05!
23:52.41sorphinheh
23:52.44sorphini hate you
23:52.44sorphin:P
23:53.08T`my car also needs that 91 crap.. but i will prolly switch to 89 octane
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