| 00:31.28 | MonMotha | ok, I need to somehow get something that's expecting glibc 2.0 to run on my modern system |
| 00:32.01 | kergoth | good luck |
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| 00:37.54 | MonMotha | kergoth: yeah |
| 00:41.12 | MonMotha | the question I guess really is: do I want to adulterate my linux desktop with Xilinx's software |
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| 01:57.08 | sorphin | on /. |
| 01:57.11 | sorphin | This report quotes about $56,000 for the average application developer. I am a web developer (sure, laugh all you want) and I wanted to know specifically: How much are other web developers were making? And- How many hours a week does it take you to make it?" |
| 01:57.18 | sorphin | i wish i made $56k |
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| 02:23.09 | MonMotha | linux really needs to do something about the non-killable state of processes blocking on I/O |
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| 02:43.35 | T`2 | sorphin, move to cali.. u will make twice that |
| 02:48.39 | sorphin | T`2: and pay twice the rent/housepayment |
| 02:49.16 | sorphin | MonMotha: <subliminal hint> work on the dct5k </subliminal hint> |
| 02:49.53 | T`2 | sorphin, probably like 3-4x the house payment |
| 02:50.11 | T`2 | sorphin, rent 2x sounds about right.. so better to rent and retire somewhere else in US |
| 02:50.41 | sorphin | T`2: or just not move to cali ;) |
| 02:50.59 | sorphin | friend of mine is moving to Cali to work for Aruba Networks shortly |
| 02:51.04 | T`2 | hehe hey.. we got some good things..weather ;) |
| 02:51.07 | sorphin | under $100k |
| 02:51.10 | T`2 | aah.. where? |
| 02:51.18 | sorphin | sunnyvale |
| 02:51.32 | T`2 | haha cool.. i'm in palo alto.. a few miles from there |
| 02:51.38 | sorphin | i know |
| 02:51.49 | sorphin | if we have a problem i can send you to our pop :P |
| 02:52.02 | T`2 | lol |
| 02:52.23 | sorphin | can't do any worse than the data center monkeys do |
| 02:52.23 | T`2 | ok time to go home.. later guys |
| 02:52.26 | sorphin | cya |
| 02:52.37 | jbevren | concur |
| 02:52.48 | T`2 | i personally thing the low-level developers make lot more around here |
| 02:52.48 | jbevren | I got our DC to boot a knoppix cd for me |
| 02:52.54 | jbevren | and personally resurrected a corrupt ext3fs |
| 02:53.02 | jbevren | yay for backup superblocks |
| 02:53.34 | MonMotha | sorphin: heh, I'll see if I can find time |
| 02:53.41 | sorphin | jbevren: our main netflow collector at work hosed today, thanks to a dying UPS |
| 02:53.46 | sorphin | MonMotha: please :) |
| 02:53.48 | MonMotha | it's slowly working its way up the to-do list |
| 02:54.16 | sorphin | ;) |
| 02:57.29 | jbevren | sorphin: ouw. |
| 02:57.57 | jbevren | haha |
| 02:58.03 | sorphin | jbevren: heh |
| 02:58.09 | jbevren | reading the 8 reasons why human computer interaction is in the dark ages article |
| 02:58.11 | jbevren | I love #2 |
| 02:58.27 | jbevren | sweaty hard-working carpenter with a tiny red plastic hammer in his hand |
| 02:58.43 | jbevren | that whole paragraph details explicitly why I hate windows' UI |
| 02:58.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:59.21 | sorphin | jbevren: i need a socket u478 cpu, gimme one |
| 02:59.38 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:59.45 | jbevren | the only one I have is my p4 laptop cpu |
| 02:59.52 | sorphin | bah |
| 02:59.57 | jbevren | I dont care for p4's |
| 02:59.59 | sorphin | need to test this board that i replaced the caps on |
| 03:00.07 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:00.12 | sorphin | the PIII was a bit more solid |
| 03:00.15 | jbevren | however a free board is a bonus :) |
| 03:00.19 | sorphin | yep |
| 03:00.26 | sorphin | and the caps were recycled off 2 other dead boards |
| 03:00.31 | sorphin | and these caps are on the good list |
| 03:00.51 | sorphin | jbevren: fyi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_Plague has the list of the good makers |
| 03:00.55 | sorphin | and the bad |
| 03:00.57 | sorphin | and the ugly |
| 03:00.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:01.26 | sorphin | basically only 5 good |
| 03:01.34 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:01.34 | sorphin | the one i see the most is Rubycon |
| 03:01.40 | jbevren | I have a friend I fetch advice from |
| 03:01.47 | jbevren | fortunately, my asus p3b-f still has good caps |
| 03:01.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:01.51 | sorphin | you have a friend? |
| 03:01.52 | sorphin | scary |
| 03:01.55 | jbevren | its happily powering my p3/1400 as I speak :) |
| 03:02.09 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:02.17 | sorphin | my fastest P3 is the 600s |
| 03:02.18 | jbevren | funny bios, |
| 03:02.23 | jbevren | says 1400mhz pII cpu |
| 03:02.32 | jbevren | used to say unknown 1400mhz processor, but I updated it |
| 03:02.37 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:02.47 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:03.10 | sorphin | the LX boards could see PIIIs, but coudln't use them very fast nor did they report as PIIIs |
| 03:03.15 | sorphin | but the machine would come up |
| 03:03.18 | sorphin | the bx chipset boards |
| 03:03.23 | sorphin | ignore PIIIs all together |
| 03:03.39 | sorphin | and i'm locked at 100mhz |
| 03:03.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:03.56 | jbevren | doh. |
| 03:03.58 | jbevren | this is a 440bx |
| 03:04.05 | jbevren | bus speed goes to 150mhz |
| 03:04.07 | sorphin | unless i change the pll |
| 03:04.10 | sorphin | these are SBCs |
| 03:04.13 | jbevren | aha |
| 03:04.25 | jbevren | the p3b-f is a slot-1 board |
| 03:04.30 | sorphin | i can change the multiplier oddly enough, which is pointless |
| 03:04.33 | sorphin | since they're locked |
| 03:04.41 | sorphin | so are these |
| 03:05.54 | jbevren | nod. I was indicating that its not a sbc. :P |
| 03:06.45 | sorphin | jbevren: actually the only reason i even have the P4 is my ex gf ditched me, i was building a box for her |
| 03:06.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:07.19 | sorphin | i'd much rather have a dual Opteron |
| 03:10.00 | sorphin | jbevren: do anything new w/ your ppc(s) ? |
| 03:11.34 | fishhead | <sorphin> the bx chipset boards |
| 03:11.35 | fishhead | <sorphin> ignore PIIIs all together |
| 03:11.38 | fishhead | that's not correct |
| 03:12.02 | fishhead | unless you mean your own bx board |
| 03:12.05 | fishhead | and not bx in general |
| 03:16.25 | jbevren | whats not correct again? |
| 03:16.32 | jbevren | I was reading the symphony OS page |
| 03:16.37 | sorphin | eh? |
| 03:16.45 | sorphin | didn't say anything was incorrect |
| 03:16.50 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:16.52 | jbevren | ingore me |
| 03:17.09 | jbevren | some fish guy's telling you youre wrong in a way that wont concern you |
| 03:17.12 | jbevren | :) |
| 03:17.44 | sorphin | jbevren: ah |
| 03:17.51 | sorphin | in otherwords, nothing i care about |
| 03:18.02 | jbevren | precisely |
| 03:18.16 | jbevren | the mezzo concept desktop uses fvwm? |
| 03:18.18 | jbevren | I like. |
| 03:18.25 | sorphin | jbevren: they came and did the final premeasure for the siding / windows today |
| 03:18.43 | sorphin | so they can order the schtuff while we're in orlando |
| 03:18.58 | jbevren | nice |
| 03:19.06 | sorphin | i still need to take a color copy of the $14,087 check that is upstairs tomorrow ;) |
| 03:19.19 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:19.27 | jbevren | gonna try to cash it twice? |
| 03:19.31 | sorphin | no |
| 03:19.32 | jbevren | heh j/k |
| 03:19.37 | sorphin | not like i'll ever have one again |
| 03:19.46 | sorphin | so it's a rememebrance |
| 03:19.53 | sorphin | -e |
| 03:19.59 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:20.07 | sorphin | jbevren: the fun tho |
| 03:20.15 | sorphin | taking it to the bank it draws from |
| 03:20.17 | sorphin | cashing it |
| 03:20.23 | sorphin | i'm gonna get $1000 cash |
| 03:20.33 | sorphin | so i can put that in the bank to pay down the CC |
| 03:20.36 | sorphin | for the trip bills |
| 03:20.41 | sorphin | and get a cashiers for the rest |
| 03:20.52 | sorphin | i'm not carrying $14,000 in cash :P |
| 03:21.09 | sorphin | and i don't wanna just dump it directly in my bank.. who the hell knows how long the hold'll be on that |
| 03:21.13 | sorphin | even w/ my high balances |
| 03:21.14 | sorphin | heh |
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| 03:23.24 | sorphin | fishhead: just for the record, monkeyass, i said MY BOARDS ignore P3's, not the chipset, now mind your grandma's business in that basement you live in and go away, k? |
| 03:23.31 | sorphin | cdm: evening chris |
| 03:24.03 | jbevren | yet again I see 'cbm' |
| 03:24.04 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:24.08 | sorphin | eh? |
| 03:24.11 | fishhead | I can see why people join alquida |
| 03:24.14 | jbevren | I run a bot 'cbm' on efnet |
| 03:24.16 | sorphin | how you get cbm from cdm? |
| 03:24.16 | fishhead | sick of assholes like you sorphin |
| 03:24.19 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:24.19 | jbevren | 'cbm' means commodore business machines |
| 03:24.24 | sorphin | eww |
| 03:24.28 | sorphin | you're an Fnetter? |
| 03:24.35 | sorphin | i can't talk to you anymore ;) |
| 03:24.41 | jbevren | fishhead: spelling error. alqeada doesnt have a u or i in it |
| 03:24.51 | fishhead | do I care? |
| 03:24.51 | jbevren | sorphin: the c-64 channel's there :) |
| 03:25.25 | sorphin | jbevren: we should ship him to iraq, they'd give up on sight of him |
| 03:25.27 | jbevren | fishhead: you should, cause people like you, with their spelling 'ability' and knowledge of things in general are the primary reason most people outside this country think we're all stupid. |
| 03:25.56 | fishhead | knowledge of things in general? |
| 03:26.18 | sorphin | jbevren: wait |
| 03:26.29 | jbevren | its a generalization that may or may not suit those involved in this conversation. If you find it insulting to read, the shoe might fit. |
| 03:26.30 | jbevren | wait? |
| 03:26.30 | sorphin | he has knowledge of anything other than his right hand and that basement he lives in? |
| 03:26.42 | jbevren | ah |
| 03:26.49 | fishhead | wow |
| 03:26.52 | sorphin | i thought he was just a channel troll |
| 03:26.57 | fishhead | and to think I kept coming here cause I thought people were smart |
| 03:27.02 | jbevren | careful, I battle a kiwi with this stuff now and then :) |
| 03:27.07 | fishhead | and could understand the stuff I was also insterested in |
| 03:27.09 | fishhead | what a waste of time |
| 03:27.10 | sorphin | jbevren: even ibot is smarter |
| 03:27.14 | jbevren | naw, a person is smart |
| 03:27.19 | jbevren | people are dumb panicky animals |
| 03:27.19 | jbevren | (TM) |
| 03:27.26 | sorphin | jbevren: hehe |
| 03:27.39 | sorphin | fear en mass |
| 03:27.39 | Soopaman | any of you guys know where to pick up cheap servers? |
| 03:27.49 | sorphin | Soopaman: how cheap and what kinda specs? |
| 03:27.53 | jbevren | Soopaman: dumpsters? |
| 03:28.44 | jbevren | fishhead: fwiw, I dont dislike you yet. I'd like to keep it that way. |
| 03:29.33 | cdm | evening peoples. |
| 03:29.35 | fishhead | btw sorphin I worked in IT for many yrs |
| 03:29.36 | jbevren | cdm :) |
| 03:29.47 | fishhead | and welcome to ignore |
| 03:29.51 | jbevren | where/doing what |
| 03:29.51 | sorphin | cdm: how's things in the land of the red fruit? |
| 03:30.03 | cdm | sorphin: our fruit is actually purple. |
| 03:30.05 | fishhead | you don't have anything worth learning from that I need that badly that I will put up with your crap |
| 03:30.11 | sorphin | fishhead: good, you ignoring me is the best thing you can do |
| 03:30.11 | Soopaman | sorphin, either a good place to colo, or purchase a good server for reduced prices |
| 03:30.24 | Soopaman | fishhead, why don't you stop now |
| 03:30.27 | sorphin | Soopaman: well, again, specs on machines? |
| 03:30.32 | fishhead | what good would that do |
| 03:30.33 | cdm | each building has a different colour apple logo - ipod's happens to be purple. |
| 03:30.46 | sorphin | cdm: ah |
| 03:30.47 | jbevren | Soopaman: I do enjoy The Planet's client interface fwiw |
| 03:30.51 | Soopaman | sorphin, doesn't really matter, price/performance really |
| 03:30.52 | jbevren | we're hosted there |
| 03:30.56 | jbevren | (the company I work for) |
| 03:31.03 | sorphin | we colo/host too ;) |
| 03:31.05 | Soopaman | jbevren, bw|rates? |
| 03:31.11 | jbevren | servermatrix is their 'retail' spot iirc |
| 03:31.16 | jbevren | I dunno, I'm not in our sales dept :) |
| 03:31.18 | sorphin | but who needs an oc-192 backbone to ride on? ;) |
| 03:31.34 | jbevren | I do know our boss is a tightwad and we have a truckload of xeons from em |
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| 03:31.43 | jbevren | re tim |
| 03:31.45 | sorphin | TimRiker: evenin timmy |
| 03:31.50 | Soopaman | jbevren, what's the catch? |
| 03:31.59 | jbevren | Soopaman: unknown. I just work for my boss :) |
| 03:32.03 | Soopaman | lol |
| 03:32.14 | sorphin | jbevren: your boss is a RL image of dilbert's PHB? |
| 03:32.19 | jbevren | oh, the biggest catch, |
| 03:32.21 | jbevren | no support |
| 03:32.31 | jbevren | sorphin: almost. |
| 03:32.35 | jbevren | just as smart, |
| 03:32.38 | sorphin | no support? |
| 03:32.39 | jbevren | but he doesnt stay in his office |
| 03:32.40 | sorphin | must be dell ;) |
| 03:32.53 | jbevren | he's alwyas trolling the sysadmins |
| 03:32.56 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:32.57 | sorphin | fun |
| 03:33.02 | jbevren | like monday :) |
| 03:33.02 | sorphin | good thing you work from the house? |
| 03:33.03 | sorphin | ;) |
| 03:33.05 | TimRiker | evenin |
| 03:33.09 | jbevren | demanded to know why httpd was down 5min |
| 03:33.16 | jbevren | and then told me I should run windows |
| 03:33.18 | jbevren | biiiig mistake |
| 03:33.20 | sorphin | ha |
| 03:33.32 | jbevren | I went on a 40-page tirade on microsoft's recent security issues |
| 03:33.39 | TimRiker | got one of my old HPs booted up. just wrote a binary counter that shows on the S register display lights. |
| 03:33.51 | jbevren | he does that about once a month, telling me I should use windows |
| 03:33.52 | sorphin | TimRiker: freaky |
| 03:34.04 | jbevren | TimRiker: what model HP? |
| 03:34.48 | jbevren | sorphin: I always end it with something to the effect of 'I will not use a security hole for mission critical tasks. not only can you not control the OS effectively, but it also simply doesnt do what I want my computer to do' |
| 03:34.49 | jbevren | or so |
| 03:34.50 | fishhead | cool :P |
| 03:35.01 | sorphin | jbevren: heh |
| 03:35.23 | jbevren | sorphin: then he lets it rest for a month :) |
| 03:35.34 | sorphin | my boss uses linux |
| 03:35.37 | sorphin | and isn't stupid |
| 03:35.39 | jbevren | today, he trolled all the servers and had me disabling random databases and scripts |
| 03:35.48 | jbevren | the whole (expletive) day. |
| 03:35.50 | sorphin | my bosses' boss, doesn't use it, but doesn't care either way |
| 03:35.54 | jbevren | then whined that I didnt get any support requests done |
| 03:35.59 | sorphin | he's canadian |
| 03:36.04 | fishhead | hmm |
| 03:36.04 | jbevren | ah, he's from canadia? |
| 03:36.10 | sorphin | so he's more itnerested in that graphic trick |
| 03:36.17 | sorphin | that makes the leaf look like it has more points |
| 03:36.18 | sorphin | ;) |
| 03:36.41 | sorphin | nah, andrew's alright, he is why we're still around |
| 03:36.46 | jbevren | fishhead: http://jbevren.net/pissed.jpg |
| 03:37.19 | jbevren | grr |
| 03:37.25 | jbevren | my toe got done in by a girl today |
| 03:37.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:37.35 | jbevren | that'll teach me to wear shoes while playing soccer |
| 03:37.36 | sorphin | dare i ask? |
| 03:37.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:37.44 | jbevren | we both kicked the ball |
| 03:37.47 | jbevren | opposing directions |
| 03:37.51 | jbevren | she had shoes on, I didnt :) |
| 03:37.52 | sorphin | jbevren got beat up by a girl ;) |
| 03:37.53 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:37.59 | jbevren | yeah, a 10 year old one at that :( |
| 03:38.03 | sorphin | D'oh |
| 03:38.06 | jbevren | she's pretty good at soccer, I never played it |
| 03:38.20 | sorphin | jbevren: sounds like more than your toe is sore :/ |
| 03:38.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:38.31 | jbevren | naw, just my toe |
| 03:38.37 | jbevren | jammed it or sth |
| 03:39.09 | jbevren | fishhead: that laptop ran for 325 days |
| 03:39.12 | jbevren | with no issues |
| 03:39.27 | jbevren | then suddenly decided it's going to go to sleep (S3) every 15 seconds |
| 03:39.27 | sorphin | jbevren: then you booted windows? |
| 03:39.38 | jbevren | I dont tolerate unreliable hardware |
| 03:39.42 | jbevren | (as shown) |
| 03:39.47 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:39.55 | sorphin | well hell |
| 03:40.01 | sorphin | all week this week and saturday/sunday |
| 03:40.02 | jbevren | people tell me I need anger management :) |
| 03:40.07 | sorphin | Tstorms in orlando |
| 03:40.09 | sorphin | do |
| 03:40.10 | sorphin | h |
| 03:40.21 | sorphin | stupid tropical depressions |
| 03:40.24 | jbevren | personally, I believe that my anger was well managed. The source of my problem was eliminated |
| 03:40.28 | jbevren | sorphin: nyaa |
| 03:40.43 | jbevren | (and I got a laptop ide cable to boot) |
| 03:40.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:40.55 | sorphin | HDD survive? |
| 03:40.59 | jbevren | nope |
| 03:41.01 | jbevren | it was a 2gig |
| 03:41.09 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:41.11 | sorphin | small |
| 03:41.13 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:41.16 | jbevren | everything I do is on nfs |
| 03:41.25 | jbevren | that laptop was just a 'quiet' workstation for the bedroom |
| 03:41.30 | jbevren | freebie given to me by a friend |
| 03:41.55 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:42.01 | jbevren | btw did you see that marion systems 'sbc'? |
| 03:42.09 | sorphin | ? |
| 03:42.12 | jbevren | 5237621679 |
| 03:42.16 | jbevren | some old mc68000 unit |
| 03:42.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:42.21 | jbevren | dunno if you have any interest in older systems |
| 03:42.34 | jbevren | its pretty impressive for its age |
| 03:42.39 | jbevren | 512k ram, scsi |
| 03:42.50 | jbevren | linear psu (shudder) |
| 03:42.54 | sorphin | not quite that old, no |
| 03:43.16 | sorphin | wouldn't even make a good router |
| 03:43.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:43.25 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:43.30 | jbevren | actually |
| 03:43.37 | jbevren | with a good switch matrix, you could do it |
| 03:43.44 | sorphin | jbevren: what i want |
| 03:43.49 | sorphin | is an x0xb0x |
| 03:43.58 | jbevren | x0xb0x? |
| 03:44.11 | sorphin | ~google x0xb0x |
| 03:44.24 | sorphin | ibot_: test |
| 03:44.31 | sorphin | uhh |
| 03:44.35 | jbevren | <- googling |
| 03:44.45 | jbevren | ibot_ returns pings? |
| 03:44.47 | sorphin | some smart MIT chick |
| 03:44.55 | sorphin | took a TB-303 |
| 03:45.04 | sorphin | and cloned it, transistor for transistor |
| 03:45.05 | jbevren | make mag has a note |
| 03:45.10 | sorphin | yep |
| 03:45.13 | sorphin | $300 |
| 03:45.19 | sorphin | helluva price |
| 03:45.28 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:45.30 | jbevren | this girl |
| 03:45.37 | jbevren | she also made a simple mp3 player I was going to build (but didnt) |
| 03:45.40 | sorphin | tho unlike the 303, it has a usb interface |
| 03:45.42 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:45.45 | sorphin | the mintymp3 |
| 03:46.01 | jbevren | her domain's errorno 111 atm |
| 03:46.04 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:46.05 | sorphin | i know |
| 03:46.09 | sorphin | i think /. killed it the other day |
| 03:46.21 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:46.21 | *** part/#elinux fishhead (i=none@unaffiliated/fishhead) |
| 03:46.24 | sorphin | yay |
| 03:46.27 | jbevren | lol |
| 03:46.30 | sorphin | good riddance to bad rubbish |
| 03:46.33 | jbevren | he didnt say much back to me |
| 03:46.39 | jbevren | I'm mildly disappointed |
| 03:46.46 | jbevren | I'm a top troll if I want to be |
| 03:46.57 | sorphin | indeed |
| 03:47.06 | jbevren | have you seen the mbsid? |
| 03:47.13 | sorphin | the wha? |
| 03:47.32 | sorphin | jbevren: btw, the most amusing thing about fishhead |
| 03:47.36 | sorphin | look at the channels he's in |
| 03:47.36 | jbevren | some guy took the c64's audio chip (which can make some rather fun sounds) and integrated it with a midi reciever |
| 03:47.39 | sorphin | #physics? |
| 03:47.42 | sorphin | puhleez ;) |
| 03:47.50 | sorphin | jbevren: cool |
| 03:47.50 | jbevren | the smartest have the poorest communication skills |
| 03:47.57 | jbevren | although #physics is undoubtedly a stretch |
| 03:48.02 | sorphin | hehe |
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| 03:48.12 | sorphin | i should send him a copy of a certain pdf i have |
| 03:48.17 | sorphin | jbevren: email it to my gmail |
| 03:48.21 | jbevren | bah. :) |
| 03:48.26 | sorphin | diff machine |
| 03:48.54 | sorphin | file[laptop]: evening mr file |
| 03:48.57 | file[laptop] | hi hi |
| 03:49.10 | sorphin | jbevren: the pdf i mentioned |
| 03:49.27 | jbevren | http://www.ucapps.de/index.html |
| 03:50.01 | sorphin | very interesting reading ;) |
| 03:50.34 | sorphin | Relativity: The Special and General Theory |
| 03:50.35 | sorphin | Albert Einstein |
| 03:50.37 | sorphin | :) |
| 03:50.52 | sorphin | file[laptop]: you well? |
| 03:51.20 | sorphin | jbevren: 404 |
| 03:51.24 | sorphin | for the mp3 |
| 03:51.35 | file[laptop] | yeah, I'm not too bad |
| 03:51.46 | jbevren | the mp3 link? |
| 03:51.50 | sorphin | yes |
| 03:51.55 | sorphin | 404'd for me |
| 03:52.03 | file[laptop] | scrounging together a 1U server here that I can ship down to a coworker to put into our colo space |
| 03:52.07 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:52.40 | sorphin | so i can put this k6-2/450 to work as an olive (my main router) |
| 03:52.45 | jbevren | http://www.midibox.org/midibox_sid/mbsid_demo8.mp3 |
| 03:52.50 | jbevren | yep. |
| 03:52.56 | jbevren | that's a group of sids |
| 03:53.06 | file[laptop] | the machine I have here is a uh PIII 800MHz 1GB RAM Dell |
| 03:53.18 | jbevren | at any rate, you can link multiple SID chips into one synth |
| 03:53.19 | sorphin | dell |
| 03:53.20 | sorphin | eww |
| 03:53.32 | sorphin | jbevren: heh |
| 03:53.33 | jbevren | with one full chip as a single voice element, the waveforms you can generate are impressive |
| 03:53.33 | sorphin | cute |
| 03:53.49 | file[laptop] | it's what I have sitting in my corner |
| 03:54.17 | sorphin | file[laptop]: Dude! You've Got a Dell! (and he got fired) |
| 03:54.30 | file[laptop] | I need to decide what to put on it for an OS |
| 03:54.40 | sorphin | osx86 ;) |
| 03:54.44 | sorphin | oh wait |
| 03:54.46 | sorphin | nevermind |
| 03:54.46 | file[laptop] | ha |
| 03:54.47 | sorphin | no SSE |
| 03:54.54 | sorphin | um |
| 03:55.02 | sorphin | how about.... |
| 03:55.34 | file[laptop] | you don't wanna know what I'm going to try. |
| 03:55.58 | sorphin | file: i have the OS for you right here |
| 03:57.58 | sorphin | file: ever head of Microsoft Bob? |
| 03:57.59 | sorphin | ;) |
| 03:58.07 | file[laptop] | oh god |
| 03:58.10 | file[laptop] | you're mean |
| 03:58.13 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:58.16 | sorphin | i actually have a copy |
| 03:58.23 | sorphin | installed it in vmware once |
| 03:58.23 | file[laptop] | I do too |
| 03:58.31 | file[laptop] | I have it on one of my archive DVDs |
| 03:58.34 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:58.37 | sorphin | scary innit? |
| 03:58.40 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 03:58.53 | sorphin | i have some old ass windows too |
| 03:58.58 | sorphin | like 1.0 and 2.0 |
| 03:59.31 | sorphin | jbevren: i bet i know who fishhead's hero is ;) |
| 04:00.18 | sorphin | ah |
| 04:00.20 | sorphin | here we go file |
| 04:00.28 | jbevren | sorphin? |
| 04:00.33 | sorphin | Microsoft.-.Windows.1.04 |
| 04:00.45 | sorphin | Microsoft.-.Windows.286.2.1 |
| 04:00.49 | sorphin | old old school |
| 04:00.52 | sorphin | jbevren: ballmer |
| 04:01.19 | file[laptop] | I was seriously considering Server 2003 |
| 04:01.28 | sorphin | eeek |
| 04:01.31 | file[laptop] | because I want the features that Exchange can give me |
| 04:01.35 | sorphin | double eeek |
| 04:01.46 | sorphin | file[laptop]: Unclean! Unclean! |
| 04:01.52 | jbevren | sorphin: omfg |
| 04:01.54 | jbevren | ;p; |
| 04:01.55 | jbevren | lol |
| 04:01.55 | file[laptop] | lol |
| 04:02.09 | file[laptop] | we run our database at work on Windows... and we have three terminal servers running Windows... |
| 04:02.12 | jbevren | x0xb0x is 'shipping' |
| 04:02.13 | file[laptop] | mostly because we have to |
| 04:02.17 | jbevren | someone's making/selling them |
| 04:02.22 | sorphin | jbevren: yes, i know |
| 04:02.23 | sorphin | she is |
| 04:02.29 | sorphin | and 2 engineers |
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| 04:02.37 | Speedy2 | Hey all. |
| 04:02.40 | file[laptop] | hi |
| 04:02.41 | sorphin | there's a huge waiting list |
| 04:02.50 | sorphin | but it's all OSS |
| 04:03.31 | file[laptop] | oh noooooooo |
| 04:03.48 | file[laptop] | I have to find a drive to put in it |
| 04:04.14 | jbevren | ok |
| 04:04.17 | jbevren | I concede for the evening |
| 04:04.24 | sorphin | jbevren: cya sucka |
| 04:04.29 | file[laptop] | bastards |
| 04:04.43 | file[laptop] | leaving IRC... that's outrageous |
| 04:04.47 | sorphin | hehe |
| 04:04.50 | sorphin | you do it |
| 04:05.04 | file[laptop] | actually no, I have an IRC client on my cellphone |
| 04:05.13 | sorphin | damn asterisk monkeys ;) |
| 04:05.59 | sorphin | it'll be nice |
| 04:06.00 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:06.04 | file[laptop] | nooooooooo! |
| 04:06.07 | file[laptop] | that's blasphemy |
| 04:12.46 | TimRiker | jbevren: sorry to lag... HP-2108A is the one that's working. http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware/20050415_132446 |
| 04:14.27 | TimRiker | ibot_: wantnick ibot |
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| 04:17.05 | Speedy2 | TimRiker: Yo! |
| 04:22.37 | TimRiker | yo? |
| 04:23.29 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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| 05:02.34 | sorphin | ibot: wb |
| 05:02.37 | ibot | thx |
| 05:07.25 | sorphin | file[laptop]: eek |
| 05:26.23 | file[laptop] | meep |
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| 13:16.39 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher mate |
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| 13:17.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: moin ken |
| 13:17.41 | GPSFan | howdy dan, |
| 13:22.09 | sorphin | GPSFan: things good? |
| 13:22.14 | pb_ | hi sorphin |
| 13:23.24 | sorphin | pb_: alright? |
| 13:25.21 | pb_ | yah, not too bad |
| 13:26.19 | jbevren | yawn. |
| 13:26.44 | sorphin | jbevren: oh, it's you again |
| 13:28.25 | jbevren | gah |
| 13:28.27 | jbevren | its a set -o vi day |
| 13:29.27 | sorphin | eh? |
| 13:30.48 | GPSFan | sorphin: yeah, lotsa farm work, getting ready for winter.. |
| 13:31.34 | sorphin | yeah |
| 13:31.39 | sorphin | already done all the harvest then? |
| 13:32.02 | sorphin | or can you still do the prep before the harvest |
| 13:34.14 | GPSFan | sorphin: cleaning out the barn, re-gradeing the driveways, apples won't be ready for another month or so.. |
| 13:34.46 | sorphin | ah |
| 13:35.05 | sorphin | that's your big crop then, apples? |
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| 13:39.14 | GPSFan | sorphin: not really, the apples are mostly to feed the sheep, as is the field of oats & turnips, and the grass in the orchard. |
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| 13:53.10 | sorphin | GPSFan: ah, so you just make lambchops then? ;) |
| 13:53.17 | sorphin | prpplague: mornin hillbilly |
| 13:55.05 | prpplague | lo |
| 14:02.19 | pb_ | hi prpplague |
| 14:07.13 | prpplague | ~lart sorphin |
| 14:07.23 | prpplague | pb_: morning crack baby |
| 14:07.53 | prpplague | pb_: hehe, whats on the agenda for today? anything fun? i.e. crashing the boss's pc remotely? |
| 14:08.20 | prpplague | sorphin: still haven't figured out all the ssl crap |
| 14:08.35 | prpplague | sorphin: i can get it all working with freeradius but not winblows |
| 14:11.49 | prpplague | pb_: i wish the #mtd channel was more active |
| 14:12.08 | prpplague | pb_: but i suspect that most of the ppl there can't be bothered with noob questions |
| 14:15.37 | prpplague | ahh, nothing like a fresh start |
| 14:16.31 | sorphin | damn daily dilbert isn't even delivered yet |
| 14:16.46 | sorphin | slackers |
| 14:20.29 | prpplague | anyone done research on some of these linux based phones that are suppose to hit the market? |
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| 14:27.30 | prpplague | lovely |
| 14:27.30 | prpplague | seems freenode has had alot of splits lately |
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| 14:28.10 | jbevren | re |
| 14:28.11 | prpplague | rere |
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| 14:28.12 | prpplague | alright whos the wise guy that invitied CosmicPenguin |
| 14:28.12 | prpplague | ???? |
| 14:28.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe morning |
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| 14:36.35 | *** topic/#elinux is #elinux Embedded Linux || http://eLinux.org/ || cross compile, uClibc, busybox, tinylogin, handhelds, post-sale linux installs ;-), etc. || free embedded linux training at http://free-electrons.com/news/news.2004-09-28/en |
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| 14:36.45 | sorphin | ibot: wb |
| 14:36.46 | ibot | thx |
| 14:39.22 | prpplague | sorphin: this ssl documentation sucks |
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| 14:42.42 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:42.46 | jbevren | re |
| 14:42.51 | sorphin | prpplague: yep |
| 14:43.04 | sorphin | ha |
| 14:43.12 | sorphin | a staffer messed up and crashed a server |
| 14:43.19 | sorphin | stupid freelode |
| 14:43.49 | kergoth | stupid 1 gig source tree. operating against this in svn takes ages |
| 14:43.52 | kergoth | wasting tons of time |
| 14:44.41 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 14:44.43 | ibot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 14:45.05 | kergoth | ~emulate peter |
| 14:45.06 | ibot | Chris, everything I say is a lie. Except that. And that. And that. And that. And that. An |
| 14:50.07 | sorphin | uhh |
| 14:50.17 | sorphin | ~emulate kergoth |
| 14:50.18 | ibot | ACTION hacks on bitbake, openembedded, openzaurus, and other projects and wields a mean wootz damascus steel cluebat |
| 14:50.28 | sorphin | aww |
| 14:50.32 | sorphin | you changed it |
| 14:50.51 | sorphin | and it's ClueBat(tm) |
| 14:50.52 | sorphin | :P |
| 14:51.07 | sorphin | for $1 |
| 14:51.32 | kergoth | ~factinfo emulate kergoth |
| 14:51.32 | ibot | emulate kergoth -- last modified at Fri Feb 18 00:38:27 2005 by TimRiker!~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 3 times, last by sorphin, 1m 14s ago. |
| 14:52.01 | pb_ | prpplague: it's only a small festival in my village, so not a huge selection. I think they had about 30 beers. |
| 14:52.31 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 14:52.40 | prpplague | pb_: thats huge for a texas fesival |
| 14:52.53 | sorphin | prpplague can go through 30 beers in 30 mins ;) |
| 14:59.14 | prpplague | sorphin: hey, got a sec for another ssl question? |
| 15:00.29 | prpplague | ahh freenode, as stable as a m$ service release |
| 15:02.18 | prpplague | pb_: hey, when i do a pem cert, i get the private key and the public cert in the same file, but yet, wpa_supplicant is expecting the private key and public cert to be in two seperate files |
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| 15:02.54 | prpplague | oops that was for you sorphin, but pb_ feel free to answer , hehe |
| 15:03.01 | prpplague | i need all the help i can get |
| 15:04.53 | pb_ | prpplague: openssl can extract the private key into a separate file, if you need it that way. |
| 15:07.04 | prpplague | hmmm, wonder what the args for that is |
| 15:11.13 | prpplague | pb_: ahh got it thans |
| 15:11.59 | sorphin | prpplague: bout time :P |
| 15:12.18 | sorphin | anyone wanna see a $14,000 check before i cash it? hehe |
| 15:12.27 | prpplague | sorphin: doesn't mean i understand |
| 15:15.30 | prpplague | monkey see monkey do |
| 15:15.47 | prpplague | sorphin: and in your case, monkey dodo |
| 15:16.45 | file[laptop] | ahhhh it's beautiful outside |
| 15:19.13 | sorphin | prpplague: watch it davey |
| 15:19.25 | sorphin | don't make me send fishhead to live with you |
| 15:24.11 | file[laptop] | I'm outside... it's very nice out |
| 15:24.14 | file[laptop] | slight bit windy |
| 15:26.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:34.17 | file[laptop] | pfft |
| 15:34.29 | file[laptop] | I'm being sidetracked by cellular plans, dammit |
| 15:34.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:34.40 | sorphin | no cellphone 4 j00 |
| 15:34.46 | file[laptop] | http://www.telusmobility.com/nb/plans/pcs/talk_to_me.shtml |
| 15:34.52 | file[laptop] | I like that one. |
| 15:34.53 | kergoth | hmm, i should switch plans on my tmobile. get rid of the data and stuff since i never use it |
| 15:35.02 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:35.11 | sorphin | i got rid of messaging, etc a ways back |
| 15:35.12 | jbevren | I was going to get t.mobile data-only service at one point |
| 15:35.23 | sorphin | then a friend decided to message me, assuming it was free |
| 15:35.25 | sorphin | oops :P |
| 15:35.27 | jbevren | and a pcmcia cellmodem |
| 15:35.55 | kergoth | heh, if i had a laptop i'd probably keep it |
| 15:36.19 | jbevren | louisville |
| 15:36.20 | jbevren | er |
| 15:36.32 | sorphin | uh |
| 15:36.35 | jbevren | mischan |
| 15:36.44 | sorphin | been to louisville |
| 15:36.53 | jbevren | kergoth: My plan was to use it on my fujitsu b142 |
| 15:37.00 | jbevren | a subnotebook celeron-300 |
| 15:38.32 | file[laptop] | US roaming sucks with all Canadian providers though |
| 15:39.14 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:39.23 | jbevren | and, t-mobile isnt in my area |
| 15:39.31 | jbevren | in fact, neither is cingular's "all over" network |
| 15:39.35 | file[laptop] | the fun thing is my phone's ESN is already setup on Verizon in the US |
| 15:39.35 | jbevren | or verizon's "can you hear me now" bs |
| 15:39.44 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 15:39.45 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 15:39.49 | sorphin | jbevren: you live in the middle of bumbfsck |
| 15:39.54 | jbevren | sorphin: I know :) |
| 15:39.57 | file[laptop] | jbevren: who is there?!? |
| 15:40.03 | jbevren | Butler County is the most underdeveloped county in the state |
| 15:40.13 | jbevren | the city actually does their bookwork on paper |
| 15:40.16 | jbevren | no really, they do |
| 15:40.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:40.20 | jbevren | the bills are handwritten :) |
| 15:40.22 | file[laptop] | book...work? |
| 15:40.30 | jbevren | file[laptop]: they track funds on ledger |
| 15:40.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:40.35 | sorphin | i couldn't live in a place like taht |
| 15:40.47 | file[laptop] | barbaric |
| 15:40.53 | jbevren | this city is the most likely to survive a digital apocalypse |
| 15:41.00 | sorphin | surprised you even have dsl then :P |
| 15:41.06 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:41.11 | jbevren | I'm surprised they didnt go with cable |
| 15:41.17 | jbevren | the phone company also does the cable |
| 15:41.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:41.30 | sorphin | was like that in WI |
| 15:41.35 | jbevren | not that I understand things well, between DSLAMs and cable data routing |
| 15:41.39 | sorphin | the telco |
| 15:41.40 | jbevren | but they already have digital cable |
| 15:41.47 | file[laptop] | you should setup a local cellular network and make a bundle!!! |
| 15:41.53 | sorphin | was owned by the county |
| 15:41.56 | jbevren | but, I'd think, hardware-wise, cable data routing would be simpler |
| 15:42.03 | sorphin | jbevren: not reallly |
| 15:42.06 | sorphin | -l |
| 15:42.06 | jbevren | file[laptop]: a data net? |
| 15:42.10 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:42.17 | file[laptop] | jbevren: deploy wireless and use VoIP phones |
| 15:42.23 | file[laptop] | mmmkthx |
| 15:42.35 | jbevren | a friend of mine talked about using a network of zipits with software repeaters for area-wide internet |
| 15:42.58 | jbevren | I told him to just get real repeaters : |
| 15:42.59 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:43.03 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:44.11 | file[laptop] | :P |
| 15:44.45 | jbevren | my bandwidth isnt your firewall |
| 15:44.47 | jbevren | hehe :D |
| 15:45.20 | file[laptop] | crazy talk |
| 15:45.29 | jbevren | hm |
| 15:45.30 | sorphin | jbevren: actually |
| 15:45.36 | jbevren | figured out my provider's voip issue |
| 15:45.41 | jbevren | ulaw/alaw mismatch |
| 15:45.42 | sorphin | jev: it's "our backbone isn't your firewall" |
| 15:45.48 | jbevren | sorphin: close nuf :) |
| 15:45.53 | file[laptop] | haha |
| 15:45.59 | file[laptop] | ulaw and alaw are so similar, just 2 bytes off |
| 15:46.03 | jbevren | yeah |
| 15:46.11 | jbevren | and if you send ulaw to an alaw codec, it sounds like crap |
| 15:46.18 | file[laptop] | yup |
| 15:46.28 | jbevren | which is what their E1 zaptel was doing |
| 15:46.41 | jbevren | but one channel is the -right- codec |
| 15:46.44 | jbevren | the rest are the wrong one |
| 15:46.46 | jbevren | crazy eh? |
| 15:46.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:46.49 | sorphin | stupid |
| 15:47.04 | file[laptop] | lol |
| 15:47.09 | file[laptop] | that's rather odd |
| 15:47.42 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:47.47 | jbevren | my voip provider concurs :) |
| 15:47.54 | jbevren | the T1 doesnt do it |
| 15:47.56 | jbevren | just the E1 |
| 15:48.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:48.39 | sorphin | well, E1s are odd anyways :P |
| 15:49.57 | jbevren | apparently, especially while used for voice |
| 15:51.12 | prpplague | argh, this EAP-TLS with winblows is driving me nuts |
| 15:52.21 | sorphin | prpplague: stop being a windows monkey |
| 15:52.27 | sorphin | come back from the dark side |
| 15:52.41 | prpplague | sorphin:d on't have a choice |
| 15:52.52 | sorphin | prpplague: there's always a choice |
| 15:52.55 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:53.00 | prpplague | sorphin: not in this case |
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| 15:53.21 | prpplague | sorphin i keep getting this error from wpa_supplicant "requested type 25 not allowed" |
| 15:53.29 | sorphin | TimRiker: dave is lurking on the dark side using windows, we need to save him ;) |
| 15:53.46 | sorphin | prpplague: ah, never used the wpa_supplicant stuff |
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| 16:00.12 | sorphin | file[laptop]: wtf is muon? |
| 16:00.35 | chouimat | sorphin: subatomic particle |
| 16:00.58 | sorphin | chouimat: i meant in the context that he's logged in from one i'm guessing |
| 16:01.06 | file[muon] | all my computers are named after subatomic particles |
| 16:01.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:01.13 | chouimat | sorphin: he's probably feeling low today ;) |
| 16:01.19 | file[muon] | but muon is my 32-bit workstation |
| 16:01.22 | sorphin | chouimat: speaking of feeling low |
| 16:01.32 | sorphin | chouimat: you feeling alright for a change? |
| 16:02.10 | chouimat | sorphin: tired ... got back in ottawa last night ... and I have a nice line on mylaptop screen ... warranty nearly over ... iirc |
| 16:02.25 | sorphin | chouimat: better send it off soon then |
| 16:03.04 | chouimat | need to check ... but I can live with it |
| 16:04.10 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:04.20 | sorphin | could get worse tho |
| 16:04.35 | file[muon] | it could spontaneously combust |
| 16:04.41 | chouimat | sorphin: I know |
| 16:04.45 | sorphin | like file does |
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| 16:17.10 | prpplague | w00t |
| 16:17.18 | prpplague | well its about freakin time |
| 16:17.24 | prpplague | got an AUTHENITCATED message |
| 16:19.02 | pb_ | rock |
| 16:23.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:23.15 | sorphin | too bad ACE won't play nicely with me |
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| 16:25.32 | TimRiker | prpplague: eek. say it isn't so. |
| 16:25.51 | sorphin | ~guinness prpplague |
| 16:25.53 | ibot | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to prpplague |
| 16:27.41 | prpplague | TimRiker: say what isn't so? |
| 16:28.06 | prpplague | oh the windows side, no a customer is using winblows |
| 16:28.09 | sorphin | prpplague: that you got it working ;) |
| 16:28.26 | prpplague | just trying to make our linux handheld work with a blows server |
| 16:28.27 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:35.37 | sorphin | anyone got the SecurID ACE SDK ? seems all we have is the damn Admin API that comes with ACE |
| 16:35.45 | sorphin | but it's overkill for what i need |
| 16:35.58 | sorphin | and the 4.x sdk doesn't seem to wanna play nicely w/ a 5.02 server |
| 16:37.56 | chouimat | prpplague: hi ... and after 2 weeks of local spanish beer a coors light taste good |
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| 16:39.39 | file[muon] | yay found more stuff for this Dell server |
| 16:39.44 | prpplague | chouimat: ek, coors like taste good, you must be drinking piss then |
| 16:42.26 | chouimat | prpplague: was not good beer ... it was too salty |
| 16:42.59 | chouimat | prpplague: imagine a cheap clone of the heineken with salt in it ... |
| 16:43.22 | prpplague | sorphin: whats a good way of working with webpages from commnad line? i need to "paste" something on a page from command line |
| 16:43.29 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:43.36 | prpplague | chouimat: salty skunk |
| 16:44.22 | chouimat | prpplague: yup ... everything there had too much salt in it ... last night I was in a restaurant, too tired to cook (8 hours flight) and I asked no salt |
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| 16:45.09 | chouimat | prpplague: I had some lovely swiss beer last weekend ... so it;s ok |
| 16:47.33 | prpplague | hmm, or i wonder if there is a part of openssl that can do the key exchange |
| 16:47.36 | chouimat | prpplague: and I spend last saturday there: www.vinea.ch ... 30 CHF for a day of swiss wine sampling |
| 16:48.58 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe cool |
| 16:49.32 | prpplague | there has got to be an easy way to do this key generation and retrieval |
| 16:50.05 | chouimat | prpplague: yup and it was fun ... discovered some really good red wine but the problem is the production is so small that you can't get it outside switzerland |
| 17:05.35 | prpplague | i just don't understand i can't be the only linux person wanting to get a cert from blows box |
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| 17:24.56 | prpplague | hmm wget's --http-user doesn't seem to work with alot of servers |
| 17:43.01 | CosmicPenguin | Morning folks |
| 17:43.11 | jbevren | CP |
| 17:43.51 | kergoth | hey |
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| 17:49.58 | T`2 | moin cp and the gang |
| 17:50.02 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - we sent a ton of staff with PICs into the shelters in Houston to help people get online |
| 17:50.45 | file[muon] | helllllo |
| 17:55.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you just wake up? |
| 17:55.08 | sorphin | in houston? |
| 17:55.30 | sorphin | who the hell would flee to houston? |
| 17:56.19 | sorphin | prpplague: re your commandline web.. dunno |
| 17:56.28 | sorphin | and re your being the only linux monkey wanting to use doze |
| 17:56.32 | sorphin | you are the only one ;) |
| 17:56.38 | sorphin | most people run unix based CAs ;) |
| 17:58.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I was at home watching my stupid builders finish their work |
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| 17:59.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: more fun on the crouse house? |
| 17:59.28 | CosmicPenguin | ssdd |
| 18:01.07 | prpplague | sorphin: i seriously doubt that i'm the only person that needs to use certificates issued from a blows server |
| 18:01.33 | sorphin | prpplague: no one else would admit to it anyways ;) |
| 18:01.46 | prpplague | sorphin: i have alist of 33 customers |
| 18:01.52 | prpplague | major customers |
| 18:02.22 | prpplague | sorphin: think i'm gonna use curl to do the trick |
| 18:02.30 | sorphin | hey, whatever works |
| 18:03.47 | prpplague | sorphin: even with a linux box and freeradius, if your handing out certs via the web interface, you'd need a script to that as well |
| 18:03.49 | sorphin | oh lovely city name |
| 18:03.53 | sorphin | Wyomissing, PA |
| 18:04.24 | sorphin | prpplague: uh.. there are things out there already, designed to hand out certs, etc |
| 18:04.34 | prpplague | sorphin: such as? |
| 18:04.44 | prpplague | sorphin: i haven't been able to find any |
| 18:04.50 | sorphin | do i need to go look on freshmeat? |
| 18:04.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:05.01 | sorphin | i've seen CA stuff on there before |
| 18:05.03 | prpplague | sorphin: i did |
| 18:05.12 | prpplague | sorphin: al for management on the server |
| 18:05.18 | prpplague | sorphin: nothing for client side |
| 18:05.26 | prpplague | or atleast nothing i could find |
| 18:06.09 | sorphin | are you wanting to shove them the CA cert or their own cert? |
| 18:06.12 | sorphin | it's not that hard |
| 18:06.20 | sorphin | just a couple lines of perl |
| 18:07.40 | CosmicPenguin | But perl is tough and scary! |
| 18:08.03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
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| 18:09.11 | CosmicPenguin | ahh!! |
| 18:09.17 | prpplague | sorphin: on the client i need to generate a private key and public cert and send it to the ca to be signed |
| 18:09.18 | CosmicPenguin | aren't there laws against that sort of thing? |
| 18:09.21 | sorphin | i prototype in perl, i write my real interfaces in php |
| 18:09.57 | sorphin | prpplague: and how can your blows CA accept certs? |
| 18:10.08 | sorphin | i assume you've bungled something together? |
| 18:10.09 | prpplague | sorphin: via a web interface |
| 18:10.13 | prpplague | sorphin: no |
| 18:10.21 | prpplague | sorphin: its the base install of ias |
| 18:10.37 | prpplague | sorphin: what everyone is using for wpa/wpa2 |
| 18:10.41 | sorphin | ias? |
| 18:10.48 | sorphin | ~ias? |
| 18:10.49 | ibot | A transfer tool for N64 development units with many other features.. URL: http://www.dextrose.com/info/0713iasl136.htm |
| 18:10.50 | prpplague | sorphin: internet applicate server |
| 18:10.59 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:11.05 | sorphin | ibots result sounds more interesting ;) |
| 18:11.29 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe yea well, i have to make it work with blows as thats what people ask for |
| 18:11.47 | sorphin | prpplague: only because they're ignorant and don't know any better |
| 18:11.57 | sorphin | on the doze side, i can't help ya |
| 18:12.04 | sorphin | if it were a unix based CA |
| 18:12.07 | sorphin | it'd be cake |
| 18:12.15 | prpplague | sorphin: agreed, as if it were up to me we'd be using a vtun anyway |
| 18:12.31 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, on the nix side its pretty easy |
| 18:12.46 | prpplague | sorphin: still no tools for doing it though |
| 18:12.55 | sorphin | uh |
| 18:12.57 | CosmicPenguin | wtf is that all about? |
| 18:12.59 | sorphin | wtf was that ? |
| 18:13.11 | sorphin | and wtf is christel? |
| 18:13.25 | sorphin | prpplague: uh |
| 18:13.42 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah there are, but if you're confined to a windows prison, no point in pointing them out :P |
| 18:13.52 | prpplague | sorphin: anything helps |
| 18:14.03 | prpplague | sorphin: if you know some client side tools, please let me know |
| 18:14.22 | prpplague | sorphin: again, i'm working on the client, not the server |
| 18:14.30 | prpplague | sorphin: client is linux |
| 18:14.37 | sorphin | prpplague: well, pushing it to the CA is trivial dude |
| 18:14.43 | sorphin | you POST |
| 18:14.54 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 18:15.03 | sorphin | form |
| 18:15.21 | prpplague | sorphin: right, thats why i'm using curl all of thats automated |
| 18:15.35 | prpplague | sorphin: writing a script around it to do the web interface |
| 18:15.45 | sorphin | right |
| 18:16.25 | prpplague | all this is really bloated |
| 18:16.27 | sorphin | the only time i use perl for the web now, is cgis that have to talk to other entities (i.e. this #*$(#*%(* ACE server) |
| 18:16.40 | sorphin | ~lart RSA |
| 18:16.45 | sorphin | i wish |
| 18:17.29 | prpplague | sorphin: i rarely use perl as i rarely need it on an embedded device |
| 18:18.34 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:25.38 | sorphin | i think you can |
| 18:26.21 | prpplague | sorphin: i just need to req function |
| 18:27.02 | sorphin | and what about if you need to revoke? |
| 18:27.05 | prpplague | sorphin: on the client |
| 18:27.13 | sorphin | right |
| 18:27.35 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, PICs ? |
| 18:27.35 | sorphin | but i thought you can also request a revocation |
| 18:27.47 | sorphin | T`2: a cute lil AMD net toy |
| 18:27.47 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, PCs you mean? |
| 18:27.50 | sorphin | that they won't share |
| 18:28.04 | sorphin | prpplague: say if your cert is compromised |
| 18:28.09 | T`2 | hmm i c.. damn too many PIC acronyms... why can't AMD just make another acronym |
| 18:28.11 | sorphin | you want the CA to revoke it |
| 18:29.31 | prpplague | sorphin: wouldn't that be done at the server that issued it? |
| 18:29.55 | prpplague | sorphin: sorry, i mean the one that signed it |
| 18:30.12 | sorphin | T`2: http://www.amdboard.com/pic.html |
| 18:30.21 | sorphin | prpplague: right, they actually revoke it |
| 18:30.21 | T`2 | yea.. i found the link :) |
| 18:30.23 | T`2 | thanks |
| 18:30.37 | sorphin | prpplague: but i thought this was automated? |
| 18:32.36 | prpplague | sorphin: the initial setup, i would assume that if a key was compromised that the sysadmin would want to do the revokation |
| 18:34.10 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:34.15 | sorphin | k |
| 18:34.25 | prpplague | sorphin: ok just tested, shell script that uses openssl and curl |
| 18:34.52 | prpplague | sorphin: openssl generates the request, curl posts it to the ca, and retrieves the signed cert |
| 18:35.20 | sorphin | cool |
| 18:35.59 | prpplague | problem is that openssl command is _big_ |
| 18:36.04 | sorphin | yeah |
| 18:36.15 | sorphin | well, i thought you could strip out what you don't want |
| 18:36.17 | sorphin | like busybox |
| 18:38.31 | prpplague | sorphin: looking now |
| 18:41.07 | prpplague | sorphin: i don;t see anything for configuring options in the actual openssl app |
| 18:41.29 | sorphin | prpplague: hold |
| 18:42.41 | prpplague | hmm, i think openssl is being built statically |
| 18:42.46 | prpplague | thats why its so big |
| 18:42.54 | sorphin | prolly |
| 18:43.05 | sorphin | does file say its static? |
| 18:43.15 | sorphin | or ldd |
| 18:43.20 | file[muon] | ermph? |
| 18:43.51 | sorphin | not you |
| 18:43.53 | sorphin | the command |
| 18:44.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:44.20 | sorphin | [dans@giga ~]$ file file |
| 18:44.20 | sorphin | file[laptop]: can't stat `file' (No such file or directory). |
| 18:44.27 | sorphin | damn name matching |
| 18:44.41 | sorphin | close enough |
| 18:46.12 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm checking it out now |
| 18:46.14 | prpplague | sorphin: one sec |
| 18:46.49 | kergoth | hmm, anyone know what (if any) linux software exists to connect to a sonicwall device w/ VPN? |
| 18:46.58 | sorphin | kergoth: interestingly enough |
| 18:47.12 | sorphin | kergoth: vpnc will i think maybe |
| 18:47.29 | sorphin | i know it works great connecting to our cisco crap :P better than cisco's client |
| 18:47.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:47.39 | kergoth | yeah, vpnc works great, i used to use that to get into ti |
| 18:47.42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:47.58 | sorphin | i've seen mentions of it and sonicwall in the same context |
| 18:48.07 | sorphin | so i dunno |
| 18:48.34 | kergoth | work's lan is the same network as my home one. both 192.168.1.0/24. guess i could mangle the packets to/from work to make it look like a different network |
| 18:48.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:48.44 | CosmicPenguin | I need to get my VPN stuff working too - stupid IT |
| 18:48.47 | CosmicPenguin | give me a token! |
| 18:48.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:49.16 | sorphin | kergoth: they use 172.x.x.x for the vpn crap here |
| 18:49.23 | sorphin | the EDN is 10.x.x.x tho |
| 18:49.40 | CosmicPenguin | woo! |
| 18:49.51 | CosmicPenguin | only 200 more, and I get a air rifle |
| 18:50.20 | kergoth | ehh, i dunno if i can traverse my nat at home w/ vpn, over my wrt.. |
| 18:50.22 | sorphin | our vpn stuff doesn't use the securid |
| 18:50.30 | sorphin | only telemetry and data netowkr access |
| 18:50.39 | sorphin | kergoth: uh |
| 18:51.01 | sorphin | statically map to the concentrator |
| 18:52.03 | kergoth | which means what? :P |
| 18:52.17 | sorphin | it uses certain ports |
| 18:52.37 | sorphin | more than likely you'll be UDPing |
| 18:52.56 | prpplague | sorphin: yea its building it static, but i don't see how to change that |
| 18:53.16 | sorphin | prpplague: makefile |
| 18:53.32 | sorphin | it'd have to mention -static in the link part |
| 18:53.36 | sorphin | if not |
| 18:53.40 | sorphin | just catch it at link |
| 18:53.43 | kergoth | perl ./Configure shared --prefix=${prefix} --openssldir=${libdir}/ssl $target |
| 18:53.44 | sorphin | and relink manually |
| 18:53.48 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, i think they are using -DMONOLITH |
| 18:53.54 | sorphin | prpplague: right |
| 18:53.56 | sorphin | so |
| 18:54.00 | sorphin | unmonolith |
| 18:54.01 | sorphin | :) |
| 18:54.02 | kergoth | just say shared on the call of the openssl configure and call it done :P |
| 18:54.04 | sorphin | and you'll be good |
| 18:54.15 | sorphin | kergoth: fyi |
| 18:54.20 | sorphin | most vpn shchtuff |
| 18:54.21 | kergoth | GOD i hate monotone |
| 18:54.24 | sorphin | uses NAT-T now |
| 18:54.28 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, i looked for that but the Configure script didn't list any opts |
| 18:54.33 | sorphin | Automatic Nat Traversal |
| 18:55.09 | kergoth | sorphin: how does that work? something like that sip protocol where it asks the remote box what its external ip is, and adjusts its packets accordingly? |
| 18:55.26 | kergoth | jesus, 256 megs isnt nearly enough on this box |
| 18:55.48 | CosmicPenguin | Not if you're doing monotone |
| 18:56.10 | kergoth | i'm doing a glibc compile, monotone pull, _and_ a tailor of the oe monotone repo, which is a shitload of both monotone and svn commands, and.. |
| 18:56.20 | sorphin | mini flood for kergoth |
| 18:56.22 | kergoth | i can watch the redraw of my windows when i change workspaces :) |
| 18:56.28 | sorphin | kergoth: NAT Traversal refers to a series of IETF Internet Drafts that fix (a) by wrapping encrypted IPsec packets inside a cleartext UDP wrapper. Any NAT-ing device can translate both the source IP address and source UDP port of the cleartext wrapper without changing any part of the encrypted IPsec packet carried inside. The challenge is that both ends of the IPsec tunnel must support the same version of NAT Traversal, be able to detect when to use NAT Tra |
| 18:56.42 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 18:57.38 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x299.html |
| 18:57.47 | CosmicPenguin | That page has a Nat Traversal section toward the end |
| 19:00.27 | prpplague | ahh much better |
| 19:00.34 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks |
| 19:00.39 | kergoth | np |
| 19:02.21 | sorphin | prpplague: ditching the MONOLITH would break it down too |
| 19:02.40 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, just adding the shared worked |
| 19:02.52 | prpplague | sorphin: looks like it changed about 7 or 8 other items as well |
| 19:03.25 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:03.38 | sorphin | prpplague: and don't forget to strip it, if it didn't already do that |
| 19:04.32 | prpplague | sorphin: yea i always do that |
| 19:04.38 | prpplague | sorphin: its about 248k |
| 19:04.42 | prpplague | sorphin: sorry 348k |
| 19:04.47 | sorphin | better i'm sure |
| 19:05.01 | sorphin | what was it before? 1-2M? |
| 19:05.11 | prpplague | yea, now i need to build curl and do some cleanups |
| 19:05.20 | prpplague | sorphin: yea about 1.3M |
| 19:06.02 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:06.24 | sorphin | prpplague: i had to recover a damn smartmedia last night |
| 19:06.54 | sorphin | doze mucks up the formatting, but dd'ing a copy of a good one over it, fixes it (well, did on the other olympus card, wouldn't work on the sandisk card) |
| 19:07.00 | prpplague | sorphin: so now they have menu option where they put the username, passwd, and ip of the ca serve in, then click go button |
| 19:07.05 | sorphin | so that one will have to be generic flash |
| 19:07.12 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:07.34 | prpplague | sorphin: really? |
| 19:07.43 | sorphin | yep |
| 19:07.47 | prpplague | sorphin: what kind of reader did you use? |
| 19:07.59 | sorphin | 6-in-1 LinXcel or something |
| 19:08.11 | sorphin | uses generic USB storage interface |
| 19:08.17 | prpplague | sorphin: yea for the sandisk you'll need to use a blows program called smprep.exe |
| 19:08.25 | sorphin | right |
| 19:08.29 | sorphin | except it can't see my reader |
| 19:08.36 | sorphin | since there's no "driver" |
| 19:08.48 | T`2 | prpplague, looks like his reader solves ur problem of raw access |
| 19:08.51 | sorphin | smprep needs a driver to hook onto |
| 19:09.04 | prpplague | T`2: yea, thats what i was curious about |
| 19:09.21 | prpplague | T`2: really surprised that dd'n it worked |
| 19:09.21 | sorphin | my reader presents all it's slots as generic usb storage |
| 19:09.35 | T`2 | btw..i bought this el cheapo 23-in-1 (note the 23) USB thing for home.. it also is able to do raw accesses |
| 19:09.36 | prpplague | sorphin: yea all but the sddr09 do |
| 19:09.51 | prpplague | T`2: really? |
| 19:09.54 | sorphin | prpplague: well, smprep needs a real driver |
| 19:10.10 | T`2 | and it uses generic MSD USB drivers for linux |
| 19:10.12 | prpplague | so you can dd off the card and then see the first two blocks of info on the card? |
| 19:10.19 | T`2 | prpplague, yup |
| 19:10.22 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:10.32 | prpplague | T`2: your sure of that? |
| 19:10.36 | sorphin | i can access as a logical or physical too, heh |
| 19:10.44 | sorphin | see the whole damn card |
| 19:10.54 | sorphin | aka the CIS |
| 19:10.55 | prpplague | because dwmw2 swears that there isn't anything available under linux that gives you raw access |
| 19:11.03 | prpplague | sorphin: interesting |
| 19:11.14 | sorphin | prpplague: not bad for a cheap reader eh? :) |
| 19:11.25 | T`2 | prpplague, well, i am sure for my CF |
| 19:11.37 | prpplague | T`2: yea CF is different |
| 19:11.38 | T`2 | checked it yesterday |
| 19:11.44 | prpplague | T`2: as well as SD/MMC |
| 19:11.47 | T`2 | aah are you still trying for SD ? |
| 19:11.55 | T`2 | ooh ok.. dont have that media sorry.. |
| 19:11.56 | sorphin | he's doign smartmedia |
| 19:11.57 | prpplague | T`2: its only the smartmedia/xd that you can't |
| 19:12.11 | T`2 | yea.. now i recall what this about.. i forgot the context! |
| 19:12.14 | sorphin | prpplague: anything you want me to try? |
| 19:12.19 | T`2 | we spoke a few days ago about this. . heh |
| 19:12.26 | prpplague | have you still got the dd image? |
| 19:12.28 | sorphin | assuming i can get linux to fscking see the damn stuff again |
| 19:12.41 | sorphin | well, it's a winhex dump, but yes |
| 19:12.54 | prpplague | sorphin: oh this was done from blows? |
| 19:13.01 | sorphin | i've done it from both |
| 19:13.06 | sorphin | only saved the doze dump |
| 19:13.12 | sorphin | but i have DD for doze too :P |
| 19:13.13 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:13.15 | sorphin | if you really want dd |
| 19:13.16 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:13.27 | prpplague | sorphin: well i wanted to know about the linux interface |
| 19:13.33 | sorphin | well |
| 19:13.35 | sorphin | if someone |
| 19:13.36 | sorphin | anyone |
| 19:13.39 | kergoth | hehe, dd for windows. reminds me of writing linux floppies with rawrite |
| 19:13.54 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, btdt |
| 19:13.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:13.58 | sorphin | kergoth: you have to use windows dd |
| 19:14.05 | sorphin | to write the osx86 image |
| 19:14.07 | sorphin | to a disk |
| 19:14.13 | kergoth | nod |
| 19:14.16 | sorphin | unless you're under linux |
| 19:14.28 | prpplague | sorphin: can you head the first 2mb of the hexdump and email it to me? |
| 19:14.28 | sorphin | i didn't have time to wait for 2G to xfer to the linux box |
| 19:14.46 | sorphin | prpplague: hold on lackey |
| 19:20.36 | sorphin | prpplague: can you dcc or just do a wget? browser save? |
| 19:21.13 | prpplague | sorphin: yea thats find |
| 19:21.15 | prpplague | fien |
| 19:21.17 | prpplague | argh |
| 19:21.17 | prpplague | fine |
| 19:21.19 | sorphin | pick one :P |
| 19:21.25 | prpplague | sorphin: wget is good |
| 19:21.27 | sorphin | k |
| 19:21.32 | prpplague | just give me a url |
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| 19:21.54 | sorphin | stupid ass freelose |
| 19:21.56 | sorphin | lode |
| 19:22.11 | sorphin | that's the whole file |
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| 19:22.21 | sorphin | 7M |
| 19:22.36 | sorphin | ish |
| 19:23.53 | sorphin | eek, i'm being plague'd |
| 19:23.57 | prpplague | that says sd card |
| 19:24.09 | sorphin | yeah yeah |
| 19:24.11 | sorphin | it was 2am |
| 19:24.16 | sorphin | i named it bad |
| 19:24.18 | sorphin | sue me :P |
| 19:24.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:24.23 | prpplague | ok just checkin |
| 19:24.35 | sorphin | i don't even have any sd cards |
| 19:24.39 | sorphin | just a 256M mmc |
| 19:24.42 | sorphin | and it's in the Z |
| 19:25.09 | kergoth | woot, my new scsi drives arrive tomorrow |
| 19:25.15 | prpplague | i love mc -v for looking at hex dumps |
| 19:25.39 | sorphin | (a perl hex dumper i wrote) |
| 19:25.57 | sorphin | kergoth: eww |
| 19:26.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:26.47 | prpplague | what do you guys for quick dec/binary/hex calculations/conversions ? |
| 19:26.58 | kergoth | bc |
| 19:27.03 | sorphin | yep |
| 19:27.10 | sorphin | or if you have doze access :P |
| 19:27.16 | sorphin | it's calc works |
| 19:27.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:27.29 | sorphin | bc can be tricky |
| 19:27.31 | prpplague | i use bc as well, just wish i could do some of the bitwise functions |
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| 19:29.26 | sorphin | prpplague: hope that helps btw |
| 19:29.54 | sorphin | my camera accepts a card w/ that |
| 19:29.56 | sorphin | well |
| 19:30.01 | sorphin | except the damn sandisk |
| 19:30.04 | sorphin | mumble |
| 19:30.17 | prpplague | sorphin: thanks, looking at it now |
| 19:30.38 | prpplague | sorphin: not sure what to make it of it, i'll have to do some check and compare it with my notes on the smartmedia specs |
| 19:30.51 | prpplague | sorphin: it does have two blocks at the begging |
| 19:30.56 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:31.08 | prpplague | sorphin: which leads me to believe that it is reading it as raw |
| 19:31.14 | prpplague | sorphin: but i need to verify that |
| 19:31.34 | sorphin | k |
| 19:31.54 | sorphin | for some reason now |
| 19:32.01 | sorphin | linux won't see the damn reader |
| 19:32.02 | sorphin | dunno |
| 19:32.03 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.15 | sorphin | i enable scsi, scsi disk, scsi generic, usb storage |
| 19:32.27 | sorphin | what am i missing? |
| 19:33.18 | prpplague | sorphin: i assume you unplugged it |
| 19:33.23 | prpplague | and replugged it |
| 19:57.39 | sorphin | prpplague: yes |
| 19:57.52 | sorphin | and even compiled into the kernel and had it plugged in on boot so it shoulda seen it |
| 20:07.47 | prpplague | sorphin: interesting |
| 20:08.16 | prpplague | sorphin: the only time i've had problems with my card readers is when i was using ide-scsi emulation |
| 20:12.07 | sorphin | uh.. you need to turn that on? |
| 20:14.29 | prpplague | sorphin: right, i had a drive i was using it with |
| 20:15.48 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:15.55 | sorphin | it used to work |
| 20:16.01 | sorphin | i don't remember what i did differently, if anything |
| 20:16.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:22.41 | jbevren | anyone heard much about the compaq remote insight boards? |
| 20:33.16 | sorphin | no |
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| 21:05.01 | jbevren | well that was useful :) |
| 21:05.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:05.25 | jbevren | Ive been curoius about adapting one to work in a standard PC |
| 21:05.37 | jbevren | it seems to replace the vga card, and has power cables for specific compaq models |
| 21:05.48 | jbevren | that is, cables that go to the motherboard to power off/on |
| 21:06.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:06.24 | jbevren | theyre your (somewhat) typical headlessness card |
| 21:06.28 | jbevren | vga display via java applet |
| 21:06.39 | CosmicPenguin | ew |
| 21:06.53 | jbevren | you can even upload a floppy image to it |
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| 21:22.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:22.43 | sorphin | oregon growing a bulge, people mining Mars, M$ suing the EU and apple releasing an iPod Nano |
| 21:22.50 | sorphin | gee /. has such informative news today |
| 21:23.40 | jbevren | heh |
| 21:23.46 | jbevren | or useful news |
| 21:23.48 | jbevren | or both |
| 21:24.47 | CosmicPenguin | there's a waste of electrons |
| 21:24.52 | kergoth | heh, no doubt |
| 21:25.03 | sorphin | never said it wasn't |
| 21:25.21 | sorphin | my Athlon wastes tons of electrons :P |
| 21:25.41 | CosmicPenguin | Look at it this way - it wastes way more electrons then Intel does |
| 21:25.45 | CosmicPenguin | oops |
| 21:25.46 | CosmicPenguin | les |
| 21:25.46 | CosmicPenguin | ss |
| 21:25.50 | CosmicPenguin | less electrons dammit |
| 21:25.54 | CosmicPenguin | this press confrence is over! |
| 21:27.02 | kergoth | uml is great |
| 21:27.10 | kergoth | can save so much time |
| 21:28.01 | CosmicPenguin | This is just for general style hacking - obviously can't do too much Geodish stuff |
| 21:28.35 | kergoth | nod |
| 21:28.51 | sorphin | oh |
| 21:28.53 | sorphin | and i forgot |
| 21:29.00 | sorphin | "trolltech to ipo?" |
| 21:29.07 | sorphin | gee.. i'll go buy their stock |
| 21:29.09 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:30.08 | CosmicPenguin | that way they can give back their Canopy stock |
| 21:36.15 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you are using the UML image from OE for your UML stuff? |
| 21:36.48 | kergoth | havent played with that much, currently i'm just using something like 'x86' |
| 21:36.59 | CosmicPenguin | but its an OE image... :) |
| 21:37.03 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:37.24 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... I guess I could use my stock athlon image I build for simnow |
| 21:37.47 | kergoth | hehe. i've run the rootfs we use on our product in it. not exactly speedy though |
| 21:37.57 | kergoth | not on my box at any rate. damn 256 megs of ram |
| 21:38.00 | CosmicPenguin | heh - you've never seen simnow... :) |
| 21:38.06 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 21:38.08 | kergoth | pretty bad? |
| 21:38.38 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, running on the dual opteron it can process about a seconds worth of code in 20 wall seconds |
| 21:38.50 | kergoth | ow |
| 21:39.02 | ljp | *sigh* TT has nothing to do with canopy now |
| 21:39.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:39.18 | CosmicPenguin | ljp: but its *so* fun to see your reaction |
| 21:39.20 | CosmicPenguin | priceless! |
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| 21:46.45 | ljp | at any rate, that article is nothing more than speculation based on some people we hired |
| 21:47.57 | chouimat|away | ljp: hehe |
| 21:51.40 | CosmicPenguin | TT is in a strange position of being both a hero and a villan to the OSS community |
| 21:51.49 | CosmicPenguin | most other companies fall into either one or another |
| 21:52.03 | CosmicPenguin | or I guess, villan is a bad word - distrust, maybe? |
| 21:52.20 | cdm-work | TT? |
| 21:52.33 | CosmicPenguin | Trolltech |
| 21:52.40 | chouimat|away | CosmicPenguin: bah |
| 21:52.52 | ljp | maybe for zealots who've never had a real job |
| 21:52.55 | cdm-work | ahhh... |
| 21:53.10 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, well - the zealots get the most press |
| 21:53.29 | CosmicPenguin | And as long as they keep hating Intel, thats good enough for me |
| 21:53.54 | ljp | lgpl is more an enemy of OSS |
| 21:54.23 | chouimat|away | ljp: I tried thar archos thing in malaga ... nice toy |
| 21:54.33 | ljp | ya, its ok |
| 21:54.50 | ljp | i dont like how they did the system though |
| 21:54.51 | chouimat|away | ljp: but the device itself is ugly |
| 21:55.06 | cdm-work | mmm... |
| 21:55.31 | file[laptop] | crazyness |
| 21:55.54 | CosmicPenguin | cdm-work: yeah, only losers still use the old ipods |
| 21:56.00 | jbevren | bleh nano |
| 21:56.06 | CosmicPenguin | That is soo 9:00 this morning |
| 21:56.14 | cdm-work | :) |
| 21:56.29 | cdm-work | they already have 'em on the employee store - normally we have to wait for new ipods. |
| 21:57.40 | jbevren | I want a wifi sip-phone that can run java applets |
| 21:57.43 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:57.54 | file[laptop] | jbevren: don't we all. |
| 21:57.59 | jbevren | file :) |
| 21:58.20 | ljp | heh java |
| 21:58.28 | CosmicPenguin | I want to forget that Java ever existed |
| 21:59.22 | CosmicPenguin | cdm-work: so the early web reports says thumbs up on the nano and thumbs down on the ROKR |
| 21:59.32 | cdm-work | yeah - so it seems. |
| 21:59.44 | cdm-work | I have not touched a ROKR - I have been using the Nanos for months. |
| 22:02.08 | jbevren | its not that I like java |
| 22:02.13 | jbevren | its that most smartphones run it |
| 22:02.35 | jbevren | I'd -really- like a linux-based wifi IP phone that can run downloadable binary files :P |
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| 22:05.42 | CosmicPenguin | UML apparently doesn't like NPTL |
| 22:05.50 | CosmicPenguin | sad |
| 22:16.12 | kergoth | aw |
| 22:19.21 | CosmicPenguin | strange though - I don't recall doing NPTL |
| 22:19.49 | CosmicPenguin | But "Cannot set up thread-local storage" seems to be a giveaway |
| 22:33.25 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... bad |
| 22:44.03 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I assume you were running a 2.4 kernel for UML? |
| 22:44.59 | kergoth | yeah, its a 2.4.24 uml kernel running on a 2.6 desktop |
| 22:45.03 | kergoth | havent played with a 2.6 one yet |
| 22:47.31 | CosmicPenguin | FYI, you'll need probably need --without-tls, otherwise linuxthreads will try to use local storage too |
| 22:47.36 | CosmicPenguin | For glibc that is |
| 23:11.06 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yeah, i had to do that for TARGET_ARCH=i386 or the shit hit the fan |
| 23:11.46 | CosmicPenguin | stupid glibc |
| 23:13.14 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - some of the guys who got into the Astrodome to put up a low power FM transmitter are hearing stories that the 17th street levees in NOLA were bombed |
| 23:13.25 | CosmicPenguin | Leave it to boingboing to stir up trouble |
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