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00:22.04fishhead<fishhead> 32 meg of ram
00:22.04fishhead<fishhead> not including 160 meg onboard flash drive and sd card
00:22.04fishhead<fishhead> could linux pda enviorment run confortly in this ?
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01:35.06Kevin`Anyone here?
01:44.21fishheadCANUCK
01:44.28fishheadyes it's me flyback :)
01:44.51fishheadkevin this channel changes from busy to idle depending on the time of day
01:44.53fishheadfeel free to idle here
01:53.08Kevin`oh
01:57.27fishheadchouimat
01:57.32fishheadone of my best friends ever on irc
01:57.36fishheadis canadian
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01:57.42fishheadhe started this like 7 yrs ago
01:57.46fishheadit's just a running joke
01:57.51fishheadI don't hate canadians
02:01.12fishheadI wish people would figure this out
02:01.22fishhead99% of canucks know this without me even telling them
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02:41.33fishheadhttp://te.to/~ts1/filo/
02:41.34fishheadwow
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12:55.19fishheadanyone here done any m68k dragonball hacking?
12:59.18jbevrenIve watched dragonball z..
13:03.37prpplagueCP|Laptop: storm is getting really organized
13:09.54CP|LaptopSATELLITE IMAGES INDICATE THAT THE TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED ABOUT 1000
13:09.54CP|LaptopMILES EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THE SOUTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS REMAINS
13:09.55CP|LaptopWELL-ORGANIZED.
13:09.59CP|LaptopThat one, right?
13:10.12CP|LaptopSTupid, noaa - posting weather advisories in all caps
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13:15.20prpplagueCP|Laptop: thats a legacy issue as the alot of the old weather stations only have teletypes with upper case
13:15.33prpplagueCP|Laptop: they choke on lower case values
13:16.17CP|LaptopAnyway, it looks like it might become a depression in the next few days
13:17.02prpplagueyea
13:17.19prpplaguehopefully it will be past us before it turns into something more destructive
13:18.02CP|LaptopHopefully it doesn't get the chance to become destructive
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13:19.40prpplagueCP|Laptop: well i've got a good feel (or bad on your perspective) about this one turning out to be something bigger
13:20.13CP|Laptop~lart hurricanes
13:28.06fishheadanyone here working on the palm linux port
13:28.12chouimatmorning
13:28.18fishheadthat bootloader is pretty slick, I am waiting for t5 support
13:28.25fishheadt support and e2 support already
13:28.31fishheadmorning frenchie :)
13:28.43fishheadhow are the ladies treating you
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13:31.22prpplaguechouimat: hey hey
13:32.24prpplaguechouimat: you back from the UK?
13:32.32prpplaguechouimat: EU i mean
13:32.35chouimatprpplague: I'm home
13:32.46chouimatprpplague: since the 6th
13:33.11prpplaguechouimat: whats cookin in ottawa today?
13:33.14Soopamanchouimat, are you back in montreal?
13:33.21prpplaguechouimat: where ya working now?
13:33.25chouimatSoopaman: still in ottawa
13:33.41chouimatprpplague: working for me ... searching a job
13:33.51Soopamanchouimat, what kind of stuff do you do again/
13:34.28prpplaguechouimat: hehe, you could app for the FEMA job, hehe, as it appears just about anyone is better qualified that who was in there
13:34.41chouimatprpplague: lol
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13:34.57chouimatSoopaman: a lot of stuff ... need coffee I just woke up
13:37.03chouimathmmmm gillette will release a 5 blades razor ...
13:53.16Soopamanyeah, i saw that
13:53.17Soopamanheheh
14:27.53jbevren300 blades!
14:28.40Soopamancan you really go past 5 blades?
14:28.53jbevrendunno
14:28.54jbevrenheh
14:28.55Soopamani don't see 6 doing it
14:29.08jbevrenindependent suspension?
14:29.15Soopamani think gillette did it to end the facial razor arms race
14:30.35CP|LaptopBut they can't make the ultimate razor, otherwise nobody would buy any more razors
14:30.45CP|Laptopso they always have to be just crappy enough
14:47.59Soopamanheh
14:48.00Soopamantrue
14:48.30prpplaguewell all i know is if you shave you heard with one of those 4blade razors you have to be reallllllllly careful
14:48.57prpplagues/heard/head
14:49.12Soopamanreally?
14:49.45prpplagueyep
15:10.31chouimatprpplague: I shave my head with a mach3 and I have to be careful
15:11.01CP|LaptopSo, is anyone going to expound on why its dangerous, or do we all have to google it?
15:16.09prpplagueCP|Laptop: mainly just the angle at which you use it, like with the very back of your head
15:16.37prpplagueCP|Laptop: if you're not carefull you'll get 3(or 4 depending on the razor) cuts
15:20.08CP|LaptopI see - because your head is sloping at an angle that the razor wasn't designed for
15:21.29prpplagueyea
15:59.51CP|Laptopgood night all
15:59.55CP|Laptophave a happy day
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16:03.20[TEHb]Rexy-Craxy: first time on this channel too
16:03.51Rexy-CraxyHi all. I need help with JFFS2 corruption (uClinux / UNC20). Can anyone help, please?
16:04.00Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: :)
16:07.30Rexy-CraxyDid anyone work with uClinux / UNC20 ? Hello-o-o!
16:12.51jbevrenapparently not.
16:14.44Rexy-CraxyMay be someone knows another IRC channel related to  uClinux / UNC20 ?
16:15.10[TEHb]Guys, is there anyone working with IXP42x CPU?
16:15.19[TEHb]Rexy-Craxy: what's problem with jffs2?
16:15.21jbevrenwhats a unc20?
16:17.25Rexy-Craxyjbevren: ARM + AMD flash.
16:17.52jbevrenah, interesting
16:18.00jbevrenbut yeah, no idea here :P
16:18.01Rexy-Craxyjbevren: Universal Network Controller (http://www.unc20.net)
16:18.17jbevrenhave you looked up jffs2 issues in general?
16:18.56Rexy-Craxyjbevren: I'll be grateful to you if you give me the sources of information
16:19.14jbevrenheh.. I dunno
16:19.39Rexy-Craxyjbevren: > dunno
16:19.40jbevrenmy only real experience with jffs2 are on mips (openWRT) and powerPC (some oddball mcp8xxx motherboard)
16:20.27Rexy-Craxyjbevren: sorry, English isn't my native lang., and I don't learn a slang in the university :) what does it mean?
16:20.45jbevrenoh
16:20.54jbevren'dunno' is a slurring of 'dont know'
16:21.15Rexy-Craxyjbevren: were there Linux? which kernel?
16:21.26Rexy-Craxyjbevren: thank you for explanation
16:21.33jbevrenLinux ppc 2.4.19-pre8 #3 Mon Aug 29 13:34:31 CDT 2005 ppc GNU/Linux            
16:21.39jbevrenthe wrt was openwrt's stock kernel
16:21.58jbevrenI did some simple backporting to 2.4.19 (from .20) to paritition the ppc's flash
16:22.18Rexy-Craxyjbevren: did you get problems with directory structure corruption?
16:23.17jbevrenI haven't yet
16:23.27Rexy-Craxyjbevren: lucky!
16:23.30jbevrenI dont use the jffs2 much on the ppc, since I use scsi for storage
16:23.37jbevrenI never had jffs2 issues on the mips system
16:23.52jbevrenthat system ran for 6 months
16:24.06Rexy-Craxyjbevren: and never try :)
16:25.26Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: corruption of directory structure after several writes into files in the dir
16:25.54[TEHb]Rexy-Craxy: talk with jffs2 maintaner - dedeking
16:26.03[TEHb]Rexy-Craxy: always sit on mtd channel
16:26.10[TEHb]Rexy-Craxy: he is from Russia too :)
16:26.15Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: thank you!
16:26.18jbevren:)
16:26.23[TEHb]Rexy-Craxy: s/dedeking/dedekind
16:26.58Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: > s/dedeking/dedekind
16:27.04Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: ???
16:27.28jbevrenRexy-Craxy: sed :)
16:27.41jbevrensed s/dedeking/dedekind/
16:27.43jbevren:)
16:27.46[TEHb]or perl :)
16:27.55jbevrenregex in general I guess
16:28.05Rexy-CraxyOk, I see :)
16:28.43Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: >  or perl :)
16:29.09Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: na her perl, nenaviju! (sorry for non-English)
16:30.17Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: oh, it's a hard diagnosis :) I understand :)
16:32.08Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: I couldn't to make a friendship with Perl, it is too.... mmm.... how to say "raspizdyaiskii" in English? :)
16:33.28[TEHb]i can write on C and perl without a problem.
16:34.23jbevrenunc20's small:)
16:34.30Rexy-Craxyjust a moment, need to reconnect...
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16:35.30jbevrenI do have an arm system, but it uses cramfs instead. heh
16:35.34Rexy-Craxy[TEHb]: I prefer BASH/(G)AWK/TCL and classic *NX utilities
16:36.20Rexy-Craxyjbevren: My project uses cramfs too :(
16:37.47[TEHb]jbevren: cramfs on what flash type?
16:38.15jbevrenum
16:38.23jbevrenzipit handheld messenger
16:39.17jbevrendoesnt /proc/mtd say?
16:39.22jbevrenmine doesnt :P
16:41.42[TEHb]jbevren: what flash type? NOR, NAND ?
16:46.06jbevren<PROTECTED>
16:46.09jbevrenhttp://www.elinux.org/wiki/ZipIt
16:46.17jbevrenI dont konw the different types :-X
16:46.28jbevrensorry for delays, I'm at wor K:)
16:47.10Rexy-CraxyWell, guys, I have to go home now. I'll try to to connect to irc.freenode.net from home with my pirate TCP tunnell. Bye... for a short, I hope
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18:50.05prpplagueTimRiker: <nag> planning to move the elinux wiki soon?</nag>
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18:56.20prpplaguecdm-work: get out of here you rotten apple, hehe
18:56.26cdm-workack! :)
18:57.15prpplaguecdm-work: saw a autopsy on a ipod micro (is that the right name?)
18:57.20cdm-worknano
18:57.24prpplaguecdm-work: ahh
18:57.29jbevrennano
18:57.35jbevrendoh. cdm beat me to it
18:57.48jbevrendont trust cdm, he has no base for his info
18:57.50jbevrenhehe j/k
18:58.04cdm-workwow - this is beat up on the apple dude day huh? :)
18:58.33prpplaguecdm-work: shhh, don't tell anyone, but one of my hack buddies has already made (with some assitance) a xD card replacement module for the nand flash
18:58.56jbevrencdm-work: Heh
18:59.22jbevrenI wonder if I could expense a 17" powerbook
18:59.24jbevrenmwahahah
18:59.36cdm-workprp: sweet.
18:59.50prpplaguejbevren: probably easier than 5'6" hooker
19:00.07T`2prpplague, why though? can you get more than 2G or 4G on xD ?
19:00.33prpplagueT`2: swapability i guess,
19:00.34jbevrent2: so you can quickly swap albums
19:01.07T`2hrmm..
19:01.22T`2looks like that xD hack isn't for me ;-)
19:03.08cdm-work:)  You can only get 1G xD cards huh?
19:03.20cdm-workIt would be a much cooler hack if you could actually put  more storage in then the nano already had.
19:04.05prpplaguecdm-work: well the xD card sizes are on the way up
19:04.13prpplaguecdm-work: as they are nothing more than standard flash
19:04.29cdm-workyeah.
19:04.42cdm-workalthough the $$/bit is much higher then the nano itself.
19:05.02cdm-worksince xD is about $100/G right now.
19:05.10jbevrencdm/prpp: even better if the sd could augment the nano
19:05.13cdm-workstill a pretty neat hack.
19:05.16jbevrenand it were possible to copy back and forth
19:05.37jbevrenI want 802.11 on my ipod
19:05.37jbevrenhehe
19:05.39prpplaguesd would be alot more difficult to do
19:05.57jbevrenif I could hit it via SMB to move files over 802.11 I'd get one
19:06.29prpplagueuh via smb??????? are you running blows per chance?
19:06.41jbevrennaw
19:06.49jbevrensamba's supported by about every OS out there
19:07.04jbevreneven the not-so-compatible irix
19:07.09jbevrenafk for a bit; lunch
19:12.04prpplaguecrap crap crap, this project is going into the 3 week behind completetion
19:15.27fishheadprpp
19:15.31fishheadwhat's the deal with SD and linux
19:16.15prpplaguei don't know you tell me?(i.e. can you be more specific?)
19:16.28fishheadis SD somehow not supported because of DRM or something ?
19:16.34fishheadyou were talking about SD cards the other day
19:16.38cdm-workthere is SD, MMC and SDIO
19:16.45fishheadah
19:16.48fishheadwhat is SDIO
19:16.57fishheadIO devices via SD interface ?
19:17.16prpplaguecorrect
19:17.28fishheadand the problem is ?
19:18.07prpplaguethe sdio is not public
19:18.12fishheadGAY
19:18.12prpplaguesdio spec
19:18.28fishheadbut SD flash works correct ?
19:18.44prpplaguefishhead: most i/o card interfaces are kept secret from everyone except association members for a long time
19:18.50prpplaguefishhead: thats how they make money
19:19.00fishheadyeah I know but it's fucking suck for us
19:19.06prpplaguefishhead: yes the sd has been reverse engineered
19:19.15fishheadwish linux could reach more of a compromise with binary drivers
19:19.41prpplaguefishhead: that is correct, that is why companies like m$ continue to invest in these associations to keep OSS out
19:20.12fishheadi'm growing tired of fighting
19:21.29fishhead:/
19:22.06prpplaguefishhead: don't fight, learn something from the white trailor trash of the united states, work the system, hehe
19:22.24fishheadna i'm growing tired of even that
19:23.23fishheadI wonder how long before the net is closed off from authorized devices or even ideas
19:23.28fishheadunauthorized
19:24.17fishheadspeaking of trash, tomarrow is trash day, time to go alley surfing again
19:24.21fishheadI need some atx cases and psu's :)
19:24.57fishheadlast time I was out I found a complete PCjr system but it's about worthless except for classic value
19:24.58fishheadtoo braindead
19:25.43prpplaguefishhead: i found a good timex sinclair printer before i left the states
19:26.54fishheadi'm stuck with $650 fucking braindead pda
19:27.18prpplaguefishhead: hehe, i paid $4k for my first arm dev kit
19:27.18fishheadthe idiots that made the worthless shit fucking hole known as netfront/blazer 4.0 web browser for palm t5 just bought palmsource
19:27.24prpplaguefishhead: what a freakin waste
19:27.26fishheadand on top of that nightmare
19:27.34fishheadpalm just discontinued the t5 less than 1 yr
19:27.38fishheadthank you very fucking much palm
19:27.56fishheadI could eat $100 (case+warrenty) and get $350 back
19:28.01fishheadand save the sd cards for something else
19:28.16fishheador I might wait a bit and see how this palm linux project goes
19:28.47fishheadtechnically my pda has 32 meg real ram and 22X flash but only 160 availble to user rest is for palm os rom and virtual ram/data storage
19:28.58fishheadbut I guess 32 + 160 + sd would be quite usuable in linux
19:29.35fishheadstarting to see why people go postal
19:29.39fishheadsick of getting ripped off
19:29.50fishheadhell I won't even use a rebate if I don't feel I 100% qualify
19:29.56fishheadI am too honest and I get fucked over anyways
19:30.29fishheadmake sure you guys continue your PPC/wince linux replacement projects
19:30.33fishheadBURY PALM
19:30.40fishheadplease
19:31.34fishheaddisk on chip has full linux support correct ?
19:36.01prpplaguerealitively speaking
19:36.14fishheadhang on
19:36.14prpplaguem-systems still holds back on some stuff
19:36.16fishheadthis wife beater
19:36.19fishheadis about to meet the mafia
19:36.21fishheadthis is going to be good
19:36.47fishheadprpp hmm
19:36.50fishhead:/
19:38.10fishheadhehehe
19:38.13fishheadhere it comes
19:39.17fishheadmafia > wife beaters
19:40.10prpplaguedoes anyone know if busybox init supports re-reading of the inittab?
19:40.59prpplaguehmm
19:42.31fishheadprpp I dunno how you guys do it all :)
19:42.37prpplague?
19:42.47fishheadall the low level debugging etc
19:42.51fishheadrev engineering
19:42.59fishheadyou guys must have less of a life than I do
19:44.19prpplague8-5
19:46.10prpplagueshoot i need to have a custom inittab on boot depending on a config file
19:48.17fishheadi'd bootload linux right now
19:48.24fishheadbut I am afraid it might overwrite the flash
19:49.54TimRikerprpplague: re, wiki. well "soon" as in Real Soon Now? ;-)
19:50.25prpplaguehehe
19:51.05TimRikerit's on the list. having more grief lately? Or just asking?
19:52.39prpplagueTimRiker: just worried about my content
19:52.49prpplagueTimRiker: i need to back up again this weekend
19:59.23fishheadman these mafia movies are great
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20:21.31prpplaguepb_: hey hey
20:26.38pb_hey plague
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22:47.12Kevin`?
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