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| 00:00.39 | black_13 | i am getting the error "attempt to accesss beyond end of device" |
| 00:05.49 | MonMotha | when doing what? |
| 00:05.53 | MonMotha | what device? |
| 00:06.11 | black_13 | boot and this device is am ramdisk |
| 00:06.25 | black_13 | is an initial ramdisk |
| 00:07.52 | MonMotha | no, what doohickey are you running linux on? |
| 00:08.27 | black_13 | emulator qemu |
| 00:08.37 | black_13 | i dont understand you question |
| 00:09.20 | MonMotha | notice topic |
| 00:09.29 | MonMotha | if you're running Linux on a PC, we don't really deal with that |
| 00:09.35 | MonMotha | PC emulators count as PCs |
| 00:10.01 | black_13 | firest of its uclibc with busybox and i use tinylogin |
| 00:15.43 | black_13 | MonMotha i use uclibc busybox and tinylongin i use qemu to test with |
| 00:24.57 | MonMotha | ok, that doesn't really have much to do with the problem, though |
| 00:25.16 | MonMotha | just that error message w/o any context is rather useless |
| 00:25.20 | MonMotha | what was it trying to do when it died? |
| 00:25.24 | MonMotha | this is basic troubleshootuing... |
| 01:01.59 | black_13 | MonMotha i do know how to attack this |
| 01:02.28 | black_13 | i think i am going to starbucks and relax a bit. |
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| 02:06.45 | sorphin | heh |
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| 02:14.28 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 02:58.35 | black_13 | MonMotha i fixed it |
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| 12:59.46 | prpplague | ~seen newell |
| 12:59.52 | ibot | i haven't seen 'newell', prpplague |
| 13:07.55 | fishhead | got a minor problem, some of the circuit boards I have washed with 91% isopropyl alchol are ending up with white deposits around solder pads espically larges ones, kinda looks like white paste. Does not appear to be causing problems but just concrned, what is it and should I be concerned ? be back in a while to read any answers :) |
| 13:12.01 | jbevren | that's probably flux. |
| 13:12.18 | jbevren | that'll teach you to just use an antistatic brush and air spray |
| 13:12.30 | jbevren | :) |
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| 13:13.44 | T0mW | morning |
| 13:13.57 | fishhead | http://www.npl.co.uk/ei/documents/whiteresidues.pdf <--- looks like I am safe :) |
| 13:15.54 | jbevren | did I mention flux? :) |
| 13:16.04 | T0mW | paste |
| 13:16.21 | jbevren | hmm that too (good point) |
| 13:16.48 | fishhead | ? |
| 13:17.10 | jbevren | paste used to glue the chips to the board during processing/assemly |
| 13:17.13 | jbevren | assemBly |
| 13:17.17 | T0mW | I tried reflowing a PCB on the electric stove, bad idea... Thoroughly cooked the board! |
| 13:17.36 | jbevren | tomw: heh |
| 13:17.47 | T0mW | Toaster oven worked a whole lot better! |
| 13:18.28 | fishhead | also deadly dummy |
| 13:18.40 | T0mW | I bought a $59, 1500W, 4 element Oster from Target and tried that, works good. |
| 13:18.45 | fishhead | NEVER TRY TO DO REFLOW IN ANY OVEN YOU WILL EAT FORM |
| 13:19.30 | T0mW | jbevren: you do reflow / surface mount? |
| 13:19.53 | jbevren | no, but I'd like to get into smt that doesnt involve soldering iron trickery |
| 13:20.19 | T0mW | yeah, I'm doing my first paste stencil, ala sparkfun |
| 13:20.30 | jbevren | oster = space heater? |
| 13:20.54 | jbevren | Ive read up on bga mounting |
| 13:20.57 | T0mW | well, probably could be, it has "stay on" postion of the timer |
| 13:21.02 | jbevren | seems like a super-concentrated IR gun will help |
| 13:22.05 | T0mW | I've got 133 smd parts to populate this board |
| 13:22.07 | jbevren | hmm |
| 13:22.17 | jbevren | I guess reflow is expensive |
| 13:22.22 | jbevren | even abenchtop one is $700 |
| 13:22.41 | T0mW | jbevren: about $3000 for my setup, Zephyrtronics |
| 13:23.13 | T0mW | hot air pencil, paste dispenser, 2gal air compressor, etc. |
| 13:23.58 | jbevren | http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ7548289278 |
| 13:24.05 | jbevren | and its in HK |
| 13:24.06 | jbevren | gak :) |
| 13:24.52 | T0mW | jbevren: how many boards do you plan on doing? |
| 13:25.20 | jbevren | T0mW: well, considering whats involved in getting the signals between the pads.. ;-) |
| 13:25.27 | jbevren | I'd have to outsource all my pcb work |
| 13:25.40 | jbevren | that aside, it'd be less than 100 |
| 13:26.31 | T0mW | yeah, I would do that for BGA, the problem as I understand it, is placing BGA parts on the board. QFP is not too difficult as all you need is a 3X magnifier lamp |
| 13:26.43 | jbevren | agreed |
| 13:26.51 | jbevren | you have to have an accurate placement method |
| 13:27.06 | jbevren | bga will pretty much center itself, but you have to get the balls aligned on the pads |
| 13:27.26 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:27.55 | T0mW | my problem has been two fold: pasting the board and flowing the paste (soldering). with the setup I have now, it has been a labor intensive. Especially the pasting operation. |
| 13:28.10 | jbevren | woo |
| 13:28.17 | jbevren | http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ7548289278 |
| 13:28.26 | jbevren | http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ${ITEMID} |
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| 13:28.33 | jbevren | GPSFan |
| 13:28.39 | sorphin | T0mW: uhh... gramps |
| 13:28.47 | T0mW | sorphin: morning |
| 13:28.48 | GPSFan | jbevren: howdy.. |
| 13:28.50 | sorphin | no one uses stovetop... always toaster oven.. just ask russ |
| 13:28.54 | sorphin | GPSFan: morning boss |
| 13:28.59 | GPSFan | hi. |
| 13:29.07 | T0mW | sorphin: it was experiment, it failed though |
| 13:29.18 | sorphin | T0mW: that'll teach ya ;) |
| 13:30.08 | T0mW | problem now is to identify where all the parts will go after I apply the paste. this is the largest smd board I've attempted. |
| 13:30.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:30.50 | sorphin | never tried pasting |
| 13:31.01 | sorphin | just hand solder... well, never done BGA tho.. |
| 13:31.03 | sorphin | bga = nasty |
| 13:31.04 | T0mW | I'm working up a graphic + php script + gd to select "0.1uf cap" and have apache show me the graphic of the pcb with all the 0.1uf caps highlighted, etc. |
| 13:31.15 | sorphin | cool |
| 13:31.28 | jbevren | very neat :) |
| 13:31.44 | T0mW | I did that with the MP100 Ham Radio Repeater kit, so people could quickly build it. |
| 13:31.50 | jbevren | makes me want to buld a pick and place robot |
| 13:31.55 | T0mW | ha! |
| 13:31.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:31.57 | jbevren | wonder how many times it'd drop the part! |
| 13:31.59 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:32.06 | T0mW | jbevren: if you build it, they will come |
| 13:32.07 | sorphin | jbevren: depends on it it was controlled by windows or not ;) |
| 13:32.09 | jbevren | I suppose if you pick via vaccuum |
| 13:32.20 | sorphin | jbevren: that's how most machines do |
| 13:32.22 | jbevren | sorphin: I'd use a microcontroller for actual motion control |
| 13:32.24 | sorphin | by vacuum |
| 13:32.26 | jbevren | and run via rs232 |
| 13:32.38 | T0mW | firewire |
| 13:32.45 | jbevren | hm |
| 13:32.52 | jbevren | raw1394 or some other? |
| 13:32.59 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:33.02 | sorphin | jbevren: parallel port bitbang ;) |
| 13:33.07 | jbevren | sorphin: gak |
| 13:33.10 | jbevren | :) |
| 13:33.18 | jbevren | actually the machine doesnt really need to talk back much |
| 13:33.21 | T0mW | jbevren: immigrant labor? |
| 13:33.30 | sorphin | T0mW: too expensive |
| 13:33.32 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:33.35 | jbevren | T0mW: then we end up with sauder quality stuff. |
| 13:33.36 | sorphin | and yo have to feed them |
| 13:33.41 | sorphin | you |
| 13:33.43 | jbevren | dont get me started on sauder furniture :) |
| 13:34.10 | sorphin | jbevren: just pay fishhead $.05 a board, hehe |
| 13:34.22 | jbevren | sorphin: Hmm. $5/100 |
| 13:34.25 | jbevren | nice :) |
| 13:34.45 | T0mW | young and dumb with good eyes, eh? |
| 13:35.00 | jbevren | and houngry enough that you can pay them with corn meal |
| 13:35.12 | jbevren | oh god I'm bad. |
| 13:35.17 | sorphin | jbevren: hmm |
| 13:35.28 | sorphin | i got 3 things i'm watching atm |
| 13:35.32 | sorphin | pro-43 scanner |
| 13:35.47 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.52 | sorphin | and |
| 13:36.12 | T0mW | oh, I started working with the Abatron BDI-2000 + Insight. Remember the feeling you got with your first dremel? "how did I ever get along without one before?", that is how I feel about that JTAG debugger. |
| 13:36.36 | T0mW | it is amazing how much I got done the first day |
| 13:36.53 | sorphin | jbevren: dual port intel nics |
| 13:37.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:37.30 | sorphin | T0mW: why don't you just advertise for them? :P |
| 13:37.32 | T0mW | cost a lot of money, but it was worth it |
| 13:38.10 | T0mW | sorphin: now that I have the thing, I'd like to see why a wiggler solution is such a PITA to implement |
| 13:38.31 | jbevren | sorphin? hm? |
| 13:38.38 | jbevren | oh |
| 13:38.46 | jbevren | have you seen those intel nics with i960 cpus on em? |
| 13:39.00 | T0mW | no |
| 13:39.14 | jbevren | 1sec |
| 13:39.20 | jbevren | see if I can find em again |
| 13:39.59 | jbevren | 5811478283 |
| 13:40.06 | jbevren | I used to own one |
| 13:40.08 | jbevren | lost it somehow |
| 13:40.24 | jbevren | there arent linux drivers for them; the 82559 (or whatever nic it is) is behind the i960 |
| 13:40.32 | jbevren | its 25mhz, has 2M ram |
| 13:41.04 | T0mW | what is 5811478283 ? |
| 13:41.17 | jbevren | the intel NIC with i960; ebay ID |
| 13:41.22 | T0mW | your phone number? |
| 13:41.23 | T0mW | oh |
| 13:41.23 | jbevren | http://www.rdrelectronics.com/skip/jun/6872311.jpg is teh zoomed view |
| 13:41.29 | jbevren | hm |
| 13:41.33 | jbevren | 581's florida isnt it? |
| 13:41.35 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 13:41.43 | T0mW | ghasty |
| 13:42.01 | T0mW | is that like a 700 pin QFP ? |
| 13:42.13 | jbevren | the intel nic? :) |
| 13:42.15 | T0mW | oh BGA |
| 13:42.27 | jbevren | yeah, thje 960's a bga |
| 13:42.44 | T0mW | talk about an embedded system! |
| 13:42.45 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:42.48 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:42.53 | jbevren | afaik they did ssl acceleration |
| 13:43.05 | jbevren | so your 200mhz NT4 box can do 100Mbit 3des |
| 13:43.10 | jbevren | (with little to no cpu) |
| 13:43.37 | jbevren | I'd love to have run a transparent (or nat) firewall on the card when I had it |
| 13:43.46 | jbevren | sadly, nobody figured the altera chip out |
| 13:43.58 | jbevren | even the netbsd crew ;-) |
| 13:44.08 | T0mW | yeah, I was just going to mention that FPGA thingy |
| 13:44.45 | prpplague | T0mW: hey crack baby |
| 13:44.53 | T0mW | prpplague: morning Dave |
| 13:45.09 | prpplague | T0mW: whats cookin? |
| 13:45.33 | T0mW | prpplague: toaster oven all set to go, stencil looks good, just need a placement guide and then it will be time to build the board. |
| 13:45.54 | prpplague | T0mW: fun, looking forward to hearing how it turns out |
| 13:46.24 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I think the stencil is going to be the rough part of this process. We'll see. |
| 13:47.16 | T0mW | prpplague: I tried the toaster oven out with a junk blank pcb from an old project. slapped some paste on the pads and ran it through the oven. It worked good. |
| 13:47.25 | prpplague | cool |
| 13:47.41 | prpplague | looks like the dev for jb is heating up again |
| 13:47.46 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:47.48 | jbevren | ohh toaster oven! |
| 13:48.05 | T0mW | jbevren: cheaper than reflow oven |
| 13:48.08 | jbevren | T0mW: have you considered a belt-fed baker? |
| 13:48.12 | T0mW | LOL |
| 13:48.16 | jbevren | no really |
| 13:48.29 | T0mW | jbevren: I don't do *that* much smd work! |
| 13:48.36 | jbevren | like the pizzahut oven, you can roll the baord through it and bake the compeonents on before the whole pcb gets hot.. |
| 13:48.57 | T0mW | jbevren: this is an engineering prototype. the real board is the customers' headache |
| 13:49.02 | jbevren | aha |
| 13:49.52 | T0mW | drat, I don't have a webserver to put the board graphic on. My server got the T1 plug pulled last week, I still have to move it to new location. |
| 13:50.32 | prpplague | is that why your email is bouncing? |
| 13:52.10 | jbevren | hm |
| 13:52.14 | jbevren | 30-75vdc input |
| 13:52.59 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:53.38 | sorphin | prpplague: oh crap, it's the king of barbados |
| 13:54.44 | sorphin | T0mW: keep your wiggling to yourself old man |
| 13:55.39 | prpplague | sorphin: barbados is a democracy, hehe |
| 13:56.06 | jbevren | sorphin: whereas the USA is a corporate dictatorship. |
| 13:57.15 | sorphin | prpplague: it is till you're done w/ it |
| 13:57.20 | sorphin | the Isle of Plague |
| 13:57.41 | sorphin | bow down before your supreme embedded linux leader |
| 13:57.43 | sorphin | hehe |
| 13:58.15 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 13:58.22 | sorphin | and there he is |
| 13:58.26 | sorphin | Mr AMD himself |
| 13:58.50 | CosmicPenguin | where? |
| 13:59.10 | sorphin | it's Jordan "Where'd you put my dev board?" Crouse |
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| 14:04.16 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: you look pretty mangy in a T-shirt and tie, old man |
| 14:04.48 | CosmicPenguin | What can I say? I'm a gargoyle |
| 14:05.20 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:05.31 | T0mW | "don't feed the programmers" |
| 14:05.37 | CosmicPenguin | and a lousy speller |
| 14:06.19 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: it is the "new english" spelling |
| 14:08.23 | sorphin | "don't feed the penguins" |
| 14:08.32 | sorphin | quick, hide the herring! |
| 14:10.38 | CosmicPenguin | heh - my wife and I switched phone services over the weekend - and she was looking through the backgrounds, and found one with penguins and made me install it on my phone |
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| 14:38.57 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:38.57 | sorphin | cute |
| 14:39.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:39.53 | sorphin | my background is just the golden gate |
| 14:43.38 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... I wonder how much of this is usable under Linux |
| 14:49.47 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 14:50.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: step away from the sheep |
| 14:50.06 | jbevren | baaaah |
| 14:50.18 | CosmicPenguin | What are you people, like 14? |
| 14:50.27 | jbevren | 15. |
| 14:50.36 | jbevren | * 2. |
| 14:51.11 | sorphin | ditto |
| 14:51.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and the sheep joke isn't totally childish.. it's used quite often when talking about people from Wales :P |
| 14:51.50 | CosmicPenguin | That doesn't make it any more childish |
| 14:52.03 | CosmicPenguin | And I think you're only allowed to make that joke if you are... you know... british? |
| 14:52.23 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=492 |
| 14:52.46 | jbevren | are you sure that site's appropriate for #elinux? :) |
| 14:53.02 | kergoth | heh :) that link, yes. the site in general, well... |
| 14:53.24 | sorphin | the site in general |
| 14:53.31 | sorphin | it depends on where you work ;) |
| 14:53.44 | sorphin | jbevren: what's really amusing about XO |
| 14:53.49 | sorphin | is a lot of our datacenter custs |
| 14:53.52 | sorphin | are porn sites |
| 14:53.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:54.05 | sorphin | so to diagnose their problems |
| 14:54.11 | sorphin | you obviously have to be able to get to the site |
| 14:54.16 | prpplague | kergoth: cute |
| 14:54.46 | sorphin | jbevren: so... that makes life interesting when EDN says no, but they get told to shut up, because if we're supposed to fix customers |
| 14:54.54 | sorphin | we need to be able to get to where we need to |
| 14:54.55 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:55.35 | sorphin | huh? |
| 14:55.54 | prpplague | sorphin: you been living under a rock? |
| 14:56.07 | sorphin | prpplague: i guess so |
| 14:56.14 | sorphin | i don't follow ballmer's antics |
| 14:56.23 | sorphin | he's a fudge packer |
| 14:56.37 | sorphin | so i tend to ignore monkeyboy and his dancing |
| 14:56.41 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/05/chair_chucking/ |
| 14:57.25 | steve_ballmer | i'm gonna kill google! |
| 14:57.39 | steve_ballmer | heh, someone on freenode actually uses steveballmer |
| 14:57.43 | steve_ballmer | taht's scary |
| 14:58.37 | CosmicPenguin | I can tell, this is going to be one of those days |
| 14:58.49 | sorphin | uh |
| 14:59.01 | sorphin | so when the hell did ballmer ever crush eric schmidt before? |
| 14:59.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea well, my last two weeks have the pits |
| 15:01.24 | sorphin | prpplague: so hillbilly, why don't you have all these self checkouts up here running linux instead of win98? ;) |
| 15:02.20 | prpplague | sorphin: my job is dev, not sales |
| 15:02.45 | prpplague | sorphin: i can't help it if no one takes advantage of my work and does something with it |
| 15:03.41 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - the vendor that Kroger uses is the pits |
| 15:05.21 | prpplague | looks like samsung is hitting the market hard with their s3c24xx series |
| 15:05.28 | prpplague | lots of pr and new devices |
| 15:07.50 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.biosmagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=2174 |
| 15:07.52 | CosmicPenguin | purty |
| 15:08.11 | chouimat | hi prpplague kergoth CosmicPenguin sorphin file* |
| 15:10.09 | sorphin | chouimat: lo mr kde |
| 15:11.52 | file | hey-o |
| 15:12.04 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 15:12.29 | chouimat | file: good idea I should reinstall mine |
| 15:15.10 | sorphin | muhahaha |
| 15:15.11 | file | I win! |
| 15:15.18 | file | I just had to go to the Powerbook to send the e-mail |
| 15:15.55 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:20.41 | CosmicPenguin | I'm excited - German lessons start on Wednesday |
| 15:21.04 | file | Once again you really shouldn't mumble cause its kinda startin' to bum me out. |
| 15:23.33 | prpplague | anyone used ocd commander? |
| 15:24.45 | chouimat | kergoth: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hammerfall-Promotional-Condom-and-beer-mat_W0QQitemZ7548418538QQcategoryZ42438QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 15:27.10 | sorphin | uh |
| 15:28.42 | sorphin | while that's worksafe, it's not exactly worksafe :P |
| 15:28.58 | chouimat | sorphin: :) |
| 15:30.24 | jbevren | 7548418538 |
| 15:31.17 | sorphin | prpplague: even better than the link you pasted: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/23/ballmers_flying_furniture/ |
| 15:31.47 | prpplague | sorphin: yea thats what i was laughing about , but i figured i'd give you some background |
| 15:31.54 | jbevren | haha sorphin! |
| 15:32.02 | sorphin | jbevren: uh.. it's not that hard to grok 7548418538 out of his link |
| 15:33.37 | jbevren | sorphin: Sorry, did that to copypaste cause gtk is stupid |
| 15:33.44 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:33.44 | jbevren | if its not actively selected in an xterm, you cant paste it |
| 15:33.50 | jbevren | even though you can paste it into an xterm |
| 15:33.53 | jbevren | or another xterm |
| 15:33.55 | jbevren | gtk wont paste |
| 15:35.20 | jbevren | sorphin: I normally dont press enter |
| 15:35.23 | jbevren | I oopsied this time :) |
| 15:35.27 | sorphin | oops :P |
| 15:35.50 | jbevren | I typed the ctrl-c enter ~ . ssh exit sequence I use all the time |
| 15:35.59 | jbevren | disconnected my screen session too :) |
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| 15:56.14 | sorphin | uh |
| 15:56.18 | sorphin | never done that before |
| 15:56.30 | sorphin | not for ssh that i recall |
| 15:56.40 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.46 | sorphin | last i checked |
| 15:56.48 | fishhead | prpp |
| 15:56.52 | fishhead | take a freaking break already then |
| 15:56.52 | jbevren | ~ being the escape sequence anyway |
| 15:56.55 | sorphin | that's the alternate break sequence for a sun too :P |
| 15:57.03 | jbevren | heh fun |
| 15:57.10 | fishhead | and I swear I will hack and shutdown every web page, etc you visit |
| 15:57.12 | fishhead | if you don't :) |
| 15:57.13 | sorphin | or similar to that |
| 15:57.16 | fishhead | till you do |
| 15:57.21 | fishhead | :P |
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| 15:57.26 | *** mode/#elinux [+v mallum] by ChanServ |
| 15:57.30 | file | yay mallum |
| 15:57.32 | fishhead | you deserve a break bud |
| 15:57.54 | sorphin | mallum: wotcher mr allum |
| 15:57.59 | mallum | hey file + all |
| 15:58.03 | mallum | hey Soopaman |
| 15:58.06 | mallum | hey sorphin too |
| 15:58.06 | sorphin | uhh |
| 15:58.13 | sorphin | there's an easy fix mate |
| 15:58.18 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: sorry about the board thing - hopefully that will be fixed soon... :) |
| 15:58.18 | sorphin | hey sor |
| 15:58.20 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:58.38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: np |
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| 15:58.59 | kergoth | bleh |
| 15:59.01 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 15:59.02 | ibot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 15:59.41 | sorphin | mallum: alright mate? |
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| 16:02.24 | mallum | sorphin: hmm, our host just dissapeared |
| 16:03.37 | *** part/#elinux toi_ (n=peter@d54C27A14.access.telenet.be) |
| 16:09.39 | CosmicPenguin | They announced the chips in my super duper box... :) |
| 16:10.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: the dual dual core? |
| 16:10.27 | sorphin | i feel like i'm just talking in double :P |
| 16:10.47 | jbevren | quadcore? |
| 16:10.51 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:10.52 | sorphin | no |
| 16:10.58 | sorphin | 2 dualcore |
| 16:11.03 | jbevren | fun |
| 16:11.08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the 880s |
| 16:11.13 | sorphin | that too |
| 16:11.39 | CosmicPenguin | I just like compiling things, because I can |
| 16:13.02 | CosmicPenguin | The Dual-Core AMD Opteron processor Model 880 is priced at $2,649 in |
| 16:13.02 | CosmicPenguin | 1,000-unit quantities |
| 16:13.04 | CosmicPenguin | Ouch |
| 16:17.12 | fishhead | man listening to Gates ham it up over windows PPC being on the palm treo is just disgusting to listen to |
| 16:18.51 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good win for the folks in Redmond |
| 16:20.16 | fishhead | it's the end of palm |
| 16:20.17 | fishhead | and good |
| 16:20.24 | fishhead | cause my t5 is so riddled with bugs |
| 16:20.34 | fishhead | I rather have another colonscopy than ever give palm business again |
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| 16:25.42 | Genesis | bonsoir |
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| 16:44.38 | CosmicPenguin | ok, vi dudes - how do I insert a text file? |
| 16:44.50 | Lethal | :r file |
| 16:45.00 | CosmicPenguin | excellent |
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| 16:53.15 | jbevren | http://lalabitmarket.channel.or.jp/haro.html |
| 16:53.16 | jbevren | lol |
| 16:53.18 | jbevren | (safe for work) |
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| 16:58.17 | sorphin | TimRiker: moin timmy |
| 16:58.38 | file[tau] | someone is eating up all the CPU on my e-mail box... bleh |
| 16:58.49 | jbevren | skill -9 -u luser |
| 16:59.08 | sorphin | file[tau]: that's just me |
| 16:59.16 | sorphin | i was loading a buncha pr0n |
| 16:59.21 | TimRiker | moin |
| 16:59.44 | file[tau] | lol |
| 17:00.15 | file[tau] | I'm waiting for my shell to come up so I can see the load average |
| 17:00.50 | file[tau] | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.52 | file[tau] | gah |
| 17:01.28 | sorphin | that's not a high load ;) |
| 17:01.52 | CosmicPenguin | Its not a low load though |
| 17:02.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: compared to say... 15.78 its fairly low :) |
| 17:02.24 | file[tau] | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.40 | CosmicPenguin | sure - but you don't just say, "oh, well, things could be worse, so I'm not going to try to fix it" |
| 17:03.48 | CosmicPenguin | Despite that being the American way to handle things |
| 17:04.24 | sorphin | file[tau]: it's prolly just 0wned :P |
| 17:04.41 | file[tau] | nah I know why, gah |
| 17:05.02 | file[tau] | I'm strongly leaning towards putting this Dell into colo at our space in Virginia... |
| 17:05.07 | file[tau] | and using it for mail |
| 17:05.53 | sorphin | file[tau]: why then? |
| 17:06.03 | file[tau] | UML |
| 17:06.06 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:06.12 | file[tau] | root 17692 11.4 59.1 497176 300000 pts/1 D Aug08 8204:23 ./linux (fmr) [sh] |
| 17:06.12 | file[tau] | root 17694 34.9 0.2 1820 1276 pts/1 T Aug08 24991:55 [linux] |
| 17:06.24 | sorphin | file[tau]: UML = Use More Load ;) |
| 17:06.41 | sorphin | ooh |
| 17:06.42 | file[tau] | usually it's not this bad |
| 17:06.43 | sorphin | D and T |
| 17:06.54 | sorphin | just kill 17694 |
| 17:07.02 | sorphin | and 17692 should clear |
| 17:07.13 | file[tau] | I don't want to kill the UML :P |
| 17:07.16 | sorphin | uh |
| 17:07.18 | sorphin | well |
| 17:07.25 | sorphin | it's not gonna recover being in state T |
| 17:07.31 | sorphin | that's suspended |
| 17:07.41 | file[tau] | root 17692 11.4 56.6 497176 287596 pts/1 S Aug08 8205:34 ./linux (fmr) [sh] |
| 17:07.41 | file[tau] | root 17694 34.9 38.2 335592 194060 pts/1 R Aug08 24994:58 [linux] |
| 17:07.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:08.02 | Lethal | sorphin, ? what's wrong with sending a SIGCONT to the thread? |
| 17:08.14 | sorphin | what speed box is this? an AMD k6-2? :P |
| 17:08.19 | file[tau] | Celeron 2.8GHz |
| 17:08.24 | file[tau] | well, Celeron-D |
| 17:08.25 | jbevren | I want a k6-3 lol |
| 17:08.31 | jbevren | lol celery |
| 17:08.31 | sorphin | Lethal: i've had instances where that ended up just killing thre process |
| 17:08.43 | sorphin | it wouldn't accept a CONT |
| 17:08.54 | Lethal | sorphin, sure, if it's suspended for a good reason ;) |
| 17:09.25 | Lethal | bah.. people who can't write signal handlers shouldn't be touching any kind of computer |
| 17:09.37 | sorphin | Lethal: the fun i've had |
| 17:09.41 | sorphin | is newer perl |
| 17:09.49 | sorphin | dorked up the signal handles to make them 'safe' |
| 17:10.01 | sorphin | so now you have to make it unsafe to handle a fscking proper signal |
| 17:10.38 | sorphin | </sarcasm> |
| 17:11.39 | kergoth | <wli> perl bloweth, yea, and it sucketh, and lo, behold that when the perl goat bloweth, it bloweth goats, and sheep, and all the fauna and even some of the flora of the vineyard. |
| 17:11.50 | jbevren | lol |
| 17:11.53 | jbevren | shame php's worse. |
| 17:14.03 | file[tau] | yay mail is back into a semi-working state |
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| 17:15.23 | jbevren | Lethal: I prefer not to use languages designed by people who were obviously on crack during the design phase |
| 17:15.30 | jbevren | I'm sure youve seen perl syntax |
| 17:15.35 | jbevren | wall was NOT sane when he came up with that |
| 17:15.39 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 17:17.03 | CosmicPenguin | ok - lets see if this crazy ass initrd .bb works or not |
| 17:17.04 | Lethal | jbevren, you should give intercal a whirl. |
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| 17:22.51 | sorphin | man once again daily dilbert is slow getting to my gmail, but it'll still say it got there at 9am :P |
| 17:23.05 | jbevren | I just bookmarked their website |
| 17:23.05 | jbevren | :P |
| 17:23.22 | sorphin | jbevren: i was 1/2 tempted to pay so i got access to the whole archive |
| 17:23.27 | sorphin | but couldn't justitfy it |
| 17:23.28 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:23.32 | jbevren | me too |
| 17:23.37 | jbevren | cept I was only 1/4 tempted :) |
| 17:23.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:23.44 | sorphin | slacker |
| 17:24.12 | Lethal | jbevren, actually seems like someone has multi-threaded intercal support for perl. nice. |
| 17:26.12 | kergoth | i use perl for oneliners, python or lua for web, python for prototyping |
| 17:36.00 | Lethal | multi-threaded intercal is the greatest accomplishment since the cobol ALTER statement. |
| 17:37.24 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:37.40 | jbevren | I use bash for survival |
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| 17:39.26 | prpplague | andersee: all hail the return of the bb.king |
| 17:39.44 | CosmicPenguin | I read bitbake king |
| 17:40.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: go back to sleep you OE occultist, hehe |
| 17:40.20 | CosmicPenguin | are you implying I was sleeping? |
| 17:40.26 | CosmicPenguin | what kind of engineer do you think I am? |
| 17:40.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:40.40 | file[tau] | the non-engineering type |
| 17:41.31 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
| 17:41.35 | andersee | file[tau]: morning |
| 17:43.08 | Lethal | andersee, anyone been doing much vsyscall playing with uclibc yet? |
| 17:44.15 | andersee | Lethal: nope |
| 17:44.34 | andersee | Lethal: I've not heard of anyone messing with vsyscall stuff for uclibc |
| 17:47.28 | Lethal | andersee, ah, well it seems like only ia64 and x86_64 are doing interesting things with their vsyscall page at the moment. it would be interesting to try and optimize for that though. |
| 17:49.30 | Lethal | andersee, would have to abuse kernel headers though to get the proper __fix_to_virt() semantics worked out, particularly to figure out where the hell things are mapped within the page. |
| 17:53.17 | file[tau] | it's the end of the world as we know it |
| 18:19.26 | kergoth | gah, now that song is stuck in my head |
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| 18:37.19 | kergoth | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-09-26&res=h |
| 18:39.30 | jbevren | yep |
| 18:39.31 | jbevren | read that |
| 18:39.34 | jbevren | linked it earlier :) |
| 18:39.41 | jbevren | I love the gateway |
| 18:40.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:40.44 | kergoth | i like the map. "Do you have hos in different area codes?" |
| 18:41.25 | kergoth | have you seen http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-07-29&res=l ? |
| 18:41.30 | kergoth | thats one of my favorites |
| 18:42.03 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:42.10 | jbevren | I like the one with the nintendo (?) |
| 18:42.15 | jbevren | parents are leaving the kid alone at home |
| 18:42.21 | jbevren | they said the video game will babysit him |
| 18:42.27 | kergoth | dont think i've seen that one |
| 18:42.31 | jbevren | and that they wont have to worry until the police call them |
| 18:42.44 | jbevren | it's a mockery of parents using video games instead of parenting to raise kids |
| 18:55.32 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:55.48 | kergoth | sigh. damn monday. |
| 18:55.55 | file[laptop] | I agree |
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| 19:00.49 | CosmicPenguin | bitbake kdump-initrd |
| 19:00.53 | CosmicPenguin | here we go, boys and girls |
| 19:04.19 | jbevren | easybake kdump-initrd? |
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| 19:17.02 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: simple words from a simple man |
| 19:19.26 | T0mW | andersee: morning Erik |
| 19:20.25 | T0mW | well, php graphic is working |
| 19:23.17 | andersee | T0mW: morning |
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| 19:23.45 | T0mW | andersee: pts for udev not working yet? |
| 19:24.12 | T0mW | andersee: I hacked something into buildroot to get it going |
| 19:24.12 | andersee | T0mW: dunno, havnt used udev personally |
| 19:25.15 | T0mW | andersee: anyway, thanks for buildroot, it is a nice system |
| 19:25.43 | andersee | T0mW: :-) |
| 19:25.48 | T0mW | heh |
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| 20:01.00 | kergoth | http://home.regit.org/?page_id=20 .. thats a pretty cool way of doing it |
| 20:01.46 | prpplague | whats the ramifications of not using -msoft-float on a cross compile? |
| 20:03.28 | kergoth | well, you have to remember that your librarys need to be built with or without soft float as well. so if you're using a toolchain with hard float libc and libgcc, then try to link a soft float app against them, you're hosed |
| 20:03.36 | kergoth | since soft float is a different ABI |
| 20:04.51 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh ok, so if i have a hardfloat toolchain, then i shouldn't use -msoft-float |
| 20:05.15 | kergoth | if you want to use software floating point, you really want to build your toolchain and your entire distro that way |
| 20:05.45 | prpplague | kergoth: ok so the question is, does the arm proc i'm using need hard or soft |
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| 20:41.06 | prpplague | sjhill: ho ho ho |
| 20:41.11 | kergoth | hey sjhill |
| 20:41.46 | sjhill | hey guys |
| 20:42.49 | sjhill | me too |
| 20:42.53 | sjhill | 18 minutes to go |
| 20:42.57 | sjhill | not that i'm counting or anything |
| 20:43.46 | prpplague | sjhill: what you're on irc from work? |
| 20:44.42 | sjhill | yeah, say that a little louder for the IT security folks to hear |
| 20:45.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:47.37 | prpplague | later folks |
| 20:49.33 | sorphin | ~lackeyslap sjhill |
| 20:49.34 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjhill around like the lackey they are. |
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| 20:50.43 | kergoth | heh. i didnt get into work till like 10:30 this morning. stuck here for a few hours yet |
| 20:51.16 | sjhill | ~ibot fishslap sorphin |
| 20:51.17 | ibot | ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 20:51.41 | kergoth | "This little piggy went to market.. this little piggy stayed home.." |
| 20:51.56 | sjhill | what, is that thrash version of the nursery ryhme? |
| 20:52.24 | kergoth | hehe, something like that. not as hardcore as Korn's versions of some of the old rhymes, like ring around the rosie |
| 20:52.38 | kergoth | rasputina is these 4 chicks with cellos playing rock music. its kinda cool |
| 20:53.14 | sjhill | oh |
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| 21:08.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:20.37 | jbevren | heh. |
| 21:20.50 | jbevren | chicks with cellos |
| 21:21.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:26.12 | jbevren | like it'd help |
| 21:26.14 | jbevren | er |
| 21:26.18 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:42.36 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
| 21:42.48 | jbevren | gooten nacht. |
| 21:57.18 | fishhead | <fishhead> anyone know of the samsung i300 can run linux? |
| 22:06.33 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 22:06.43 | CosmicPenguin | I should be doing something |
| 22:06.54 | kergoth | me too |
| 22:06.58 | kergoth | i'm just sitting here, cant concentrate |
| 22:07.06 | CosmicPenguin | I blame management |
| 22:07.43 | kergoth | you see bob, its not that i'm lazy, its just that i dont care. |
| 22:13.36 | file | silly caring |
| 22:15.29 | CosmicPenguin | I hate windows shares |
| 22:15.32 | CosmicPenguin | what a pain in the hey-hey! |
| 22:17.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, the moved servers this weekend so all our shares were hosed |
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| 22:45.54 | CosmicPenguin | home? |
| 22:45.55 | CosmicPenguin | whats that |
| 22:52.27 | jbevren | AUGH |
| 22:52.39 | jbevren | I hate non-zif sockets |
| 22:52.41 | jbevren | hate em |
| 22:52.42 | jbevren | hate. |
| 22:52.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:53.00 | jbevren | yay. |
| 23:17.55 | jbevren | anyone got a spare p166? :) |
| 23:21.43 | jbevren | what position |
