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| 03:56.21 | Soopaman | anyone know how to check if my firewire accepts Firewire2(800) speeds? |
| 04:06.33 | sorphin | Soopaman: afaik, only really new apples do firewire2 |
| 04:06.38 | sorphin | well, cept the mini |
| 04:06.47 | sorphin | tho apple just changed shit again, so who knows |
| 04:09.26 | Soopaman | k |
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| 12:51.19 | T0mW | :P |
| 12:51.36 | T0mW | good morning all |
| 12:51.46 | T0mW | all that are awake that is |
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| 13:21.46 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:21.50 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 13:22.44 | T0mW | ~whaleslap prpplague |
| 13:22.47 | ibot | ACTION slaps prpplague upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 13:23.02 | T0mW | prpplague: and the horse you rode in on... |
| 13:23.29 | T0mW | prpplague: so, what is the "plan for the day"? |
| 13:23.51 | T0mW | :) |
| 13:24.24 | T0mW | prpplague: I've been up all night finalizing the testing of the electronics |
| 13:25.05 | T0mW | prpplague: ran across some code on the MicroChip website to: init, read block and write block to an MMC via SPI. it is written in C |
| 13:27.15 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 13:27.30 | prpplague | T0mW: gotta get crackin on a new s3c2410 board |
| 13:29.50 | prpplague | hehe sco's boat is starting to fill up with water |
| 13:31.15 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm just patching the code in now. Spent yesterday getting NewLib working... I can't read the ld script, it is immense! |
| 13:31.43 | T0mW | prpplague: would you like to see my schematic? |
| 13:31.58 | prpplague | T0mW: yea that would be nice |
| 13:32.06 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 13:32.09 | ibot | i guess prpplague is mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 13:33.27 | T0mW | prpplague: I used the address that you sent me the Circuit Cellar stuff from |
| 13:33.43 | T0mW | prpplague: the Yahoo |
| 13:34.21 | T0mW | hmm, better use the other, it is a 2.5meg PDF, Yahoo might choke on it? |
| 13:35.55 | prpplague | T0mW: its ok yahoo has a larger receive size these days |
| 13:35.59 | prpplague | iirc its 10mb |
| 13:36.30 | T0mW | freakin' path to the mailserver is slow today |
| 13:38.26 | prpplague | heard this morning that the fbi and british police arrested someone in trinidad port of spain |
| 13:38.36 | prpplague | supposedly al-queda terrorist |
| 13:39.18 | T0mW | what a waste of a perfectly good life, eh? |
| 13:39.27 | prpplague | T0mW: got it thanks |
| 13:39.49 | T0mW | "hmm, think I'll kill and terrorize people, nobody will get me!" |
| 13:41.35 | T0mW | prpplague: there are a lot of small parts on this board! |
| 13:41.53 | prpplague | T0mW: whats the assembly time look like? |
| 13:43.20 | T0mW | prpplague: figure it was an hour to setup to paste the board, then 1.5 hours to place the smd components, 20 minutes fussing with toaster oven, then about an hour to solder the through-hole parts |
| 13:44.22 | T0mW | around 6 hours to build a board, there is prep time that I didn't add in (above msg) |
| 13:44.27 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:44.38 | T0mW | prpplague: there are 133 smd components |
| 13:45.02 | T0mW | chouimat: morning |
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| 13:57.51 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 14:00.53 | sorphin | heh |
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| 14:01.04 | sorphin | T0mW: 133? that's all? |
| 14:01.10 | sorphin | that's nothin :P |
| 14:01.22 | sorphin | T0mW: unless most of them are bga ;) |
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| 14:01.41 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: here's a laugh for you |
| 14:01.43 | T0mW | sorphin: try saying that if you're the one holding the tweezers |
| 14:01.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: started running rc5-72 |
| 14:01.56 | sorphin | guess which pc is the fastest |
| 14:02.02 | CosmicPenguin | Intel? |
| 14:02.08 | CosmicPenguin | What the heck is rc5-72? |
| 14:02.09 | sorphin | the p4? the p2? the dual ppro or the athlon? |
| 14:02.16 | CosmicPenguin | dual ppro |
| 14:02.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: distributed.net |
| 14:02.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: the athlon |
| 14:02.31 | sorphin | at 3million keys/sec |
| 14:02.35 | sorphin | vs |
| 14:02.43 | sorphin | the hyperthreaded p4 2.66ghz |
| 14:02.45 | sorphin | at.... |
| 14:02.47 | sorphin | 2.3million |
| 14:02.55 | sorphin | it's smoked by a 1ghz athlon |
| 14:03.05 | sorphin | that's just sick :) |
| 14:03.26 | sorphin | nah, the dual ppro and the pii are neck and neck at 800,000 |
| 14:03.29 | CosmicPenguin | Not to mention, your room is probably about 10 degrees cooler too |
| 14:03.49 | sorphin | eh? |
| 14:03.52 | sorphin | oh |
| 14:03.53 | CosmicPenguin | never mind |
| 14:03.59 | sorphin | the fastest tho |
| 14:04.01 | sorphin | is the mac mini |
| 14:04.05 | sorphin | at... |
| 14:04.14 | sorphin | 15,000,000 |
| 14:04.16 | sorphin | woo |
| 14:04.28 | sorphin | and the 1.5ghz G4 wins |
| 14:04.29 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:04.49 | sorphin | wonder how that dual-dual would do |
| 14:12.47 | T0mW | sorphin: yeah, I'd not been happy with the one P4 that I owned, I finally gave the system to a needy friend (he only had one computer) |
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| 14:31.30 | sorphin | T0mW: yeah |
| 14:43.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fbi and scottland yard are in trinidad, seems they did a raid last night |
| 14:43.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.nationnews.com/326448330444170.php |
| 14:43.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:45.08 | prpplague | trinidad has a large muslim community |
| 14:47.53 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, great, the FBI and Scotland yard are on the case |
| 14:47.57 | CosmicPenguin | we're safe now </sarcasm> |
| 14:48.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:53.58 | ade|desk | scotland yard aren't too bad |
| 14:54.00 | CosmicPenguin | wooo - its raining now, boys |
| 14:55.32 | CosmicPenguin | Whats sad is that I shut down my sprinkler system on Saturday, yet I'll probably end up mowing again this fall |
| 14:58.51 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:59.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i got an email from the brewmaster at the brewery answering all my questions i sent him |
| 14:59.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: suppose to go out in a few weeks to taste some of the brews in the works |
| 15:00.34 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 15:00.36 | CosmicPenguin | you're in |
| 15:01.14 | CosmicPenguin | My buddies and I are thinking about starting up a small batch brewery for giggles |
| 15:02.09 | prpplague | hehe cool |
| 15:03.14 | CosmicPenguin | I figure we could probably make a few barrels a year |
| 15:08.11 | ade|desk | CosmicPenguin: if you dont tell anyone, no license required ;) |
| 15:08.15 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:08.26 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin prpplague sorphin T0mW happy thanksgiving for you (I know it is in canada, not sure of the one in the usa) |
| 15:08.27 | CosmicPenguin | well, you can make up to I think 20 gallons for personal use |
| 15:08.41 | CosmicPenguin | but if we want to sell it, then we need to get some legal authority |
| 15:08.51 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: columbus day |
| 15:08.59 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 15:09.47 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: well, he was close, Columbus indirectly started Thanksgiving -- facilitator |
| 15:10.30 | Genesis | je re |
| 15:10.43 | chouimat | T0mW: in canada it's thanksgiving today |
| 15:11.13 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: heh - well, with that logic, I guess you could also call Thanksgiving Church of England day, because it was the church that drove the pilgrims away |
| 15:11.25 | CosmicPenguin | But hey, who's keeping track anway? |
| 15:11.39 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: the mayflower thing? |
| 15:14.11 | CosmicPenguin | Every time file says that, I get a picture of Ralph Wiggum running around |
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| 15:16.50 | file | eeeeeeeeep |
| 15:18.40 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe me too ... "tchoo-tchoo" |
| 15:41.49 | sorphin | ~monday |
| 15:41.50 | ibot | well, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
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| 16:59.47 | T0mW | prpplague: ok! I can read off sector zero of the MMC, this is a good thing. |
| 17:00.14 | T0mW | prpplague: something about newlib is AFU |
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| 17:48.29 | TimRiker | hmm. how can I add sessions to screen from a script? ie: I have a list of machines, and I'd like to create a screen session for each of them automatically. (and not put them in .screenrc or overwrite what's there) |
| 17:49.07 | kergoth | from screen --help: -dmS name Start as daemon: Screen session in detached mode. |
| 17:49.12 | kergoth | looks like what you want |
| 17:55.55 | TimRiker | thx. meeting... I'll try that when I get back. |
| 17:56.16 | kergoth | np |
| 17:56.37 | CosmicPenguin | even documenting it hurts my brai |
| 17:56.38 | CosmicPenguin | n |
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| 18:12.49 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 18:30.31 | prpplague | T0mW: are cpld's fast enough to emulate a nand flash interface? |
| 18:31.22 | T0mW | prpplague: what are you going to put behind the PLD (storage) |
| 18:31.25 | T0mW | ? |
| 18:31.59 | T0mW | prpplague: CPLDs can go down to 5ns / layer |
| 18:32.03 | prpplague | T0mW: just fishing at the momment, possibly some nor flash |
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| 19:05.06 | prpplague | ahh nothing like a big glass of coconut water in the afternoon, hehe |
| 19:29.10 | TimRiker | kergoth: hmm. that starts a new instance of screen. I'm looking for a way to add a session the current screen. |
| 19:29.18 | kergoth | ah right |
| 19:29.19 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:35.31 | TimRiker | hmm. "screen <command>" starts a new one. I guess I can start screen with a script that creates each window and then exits. |
| 19:36.00 | TimRiker | I mean... "screen <command>" in a screen window, just adds a window. it does not start a new copy of screen. |
| 19:36.17 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 19:42.24 | TimRiker | hmm. but running screen -S <foo> <command> does not start in a new window =( |
| 20:02.54 | TimRiker | hmm. "screen -X screen <command>" seems useful. |
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| 20:44.01 | TimRiker | screen -dmS foo -d -m -t localhost, then a bunch of: screen -S foo -X screen -t $host ssh $host, and a exec screen -drS foo at the end. |
| 20:51.29 | CosmicPenguin | Alright - bring on g++ baby |
| 20:51.31 | CosmicPenguin | lets comple |
| 21:30.32 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
| 21:51.52 | TimRiker | interesting question... if a process has a deleted file open, lsof will show the node. can the node be restored to a file? also /proc/<pid>/fh/* will allow you to cat the deleted file. I don't know if you can edit it there or not. |
| 21:55.44 | kergoth | sounds dangerous, since you have no idea when that process will close it, and then the node goes away |
| 21:55.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:55.57 | kergoth | course as long as your other process as it open too, its all good |
| 21:56.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:56.30 | jbevren | TimRiker: I've used cat /proc/pid/fd >/tmp/file with limited success |
| 21:56.38 | jbevren | I've similarly used cat /proc/pid/exe |
| 21:58.08 | jbevren | ah |
| 21:58.33 | TimRiker | ls --inode 3423423 restored file. ;-) |
| 21:58.40 | jbevren | heh |
| 21:58.42 | TimRiker | er ln |
| 21:58.44 | jbevren | where'd you get the inode number |
| 21:58.51 | TimRiker | lsof output |
| 21:59.17 | TimRiker | or /proc/<pid>/fd |
| 21:59.17 | kergoth | thatd be cool. manually create the hard link based on the inode rather than another hard link |
| 21:59.44 | kergoth | but itd still go away when it no longer has any references to it, right? unless you could undo that |
| 22:00.02 | kergoth | or unless the ln --inode automatically did that, if it was marked for removal |
| 22:00.05 | jbevren | hmm |
| 22:00.11 | jbevren | my ln doesnt like --inode |
| 22:00.48 | kergoth | there is no --inode :) |
| 22:00.49 | TimRiker | the ln should increase the link count from 0 to 1 so it should persist. |
| 22:00.49 | kergoth | ah, right |
| 22:01.11 | TimRiker | jbevren: patches welcome. ;-) |
| 22:01.20 | jbevren | hehe |
| 22:01.29 | jbevren | or an inodefs? |
| 22:01.32 | jbevren | :) |
| 22:01.32 | kergoth | thats almost tempting. it shouldnt be too difficult. ext2 isnt very hard to work with |
| 22:01.35 | jbevren | well.. |
| 22:01.43 | jbevren | ls can list inodes without root perms |
| 22:01.47 | jbevren | wonder how it does it |
| 22:03.32 | kergoth | heh, thats sick, tim. you could upgrade glibc, notice its broken, and use a statically linked ln to recover the old version and replace the new to get going again |
| 22:03.51 | TimRiker | hehe. what would be awesome. |
| 22:06.14 | TimRiker | ext3 overwrites the link info when the file is actually deleted, so killing the app and then running undelete tools won't work very well. |
| 22:06.46 | kergoth | well, as long as your init isnt restarted after upgrading glibc, you'd be able to recover it |
| 22:06.49 | kergoth | once it is, its gone |
| 22:06.50 | TimRiker | course in the case of libs, cat'ting the /proc/<pid>/fd/* back to the old name should work ok. |
| 22:08.26 | kergoth | could write a version of rm that communicates with a monitor process when it removes a file. that daemon would watch for the actual removal, and while it hasnt been reomved, you could have an unrm ask it for the info and bring it back to life |
| 22:08.26 | TimRiker | hmm. init opens as mem, not a regular handle: |
| 22:08.31 | kergoth | ah, hmm |
| 22:08.35 | TimRiker | init 1 root mem REG 3,3 1254468 1261574 /lib/tls/libc-2.3.2.so |
| 22:08.41 | TimRiker | so this tool is needed. ;-) |
| 22:09.20 | TimRiker | no need for a monitor... the system already has the info. |
| 22:09.58 | TimRiker | ls -i /lib/tls/libc-2.3.2.so |
| 22:09.59 | TimRiker | 1261574 /lib/tls/libc-2.3.2.so |
| 22:10.13 | TimRiker | node matches up with lsof output above. |
| 22:10.14 | kergoth | right, i was thinking of just holding the path to the old link that you removed. |
| 22:10.22 | kergoth | rm /lib/tls/libc-2.3.2.so |
| 22:10.24 | kergoth | unrm /lib/tls/libc-2.3.2.so |
| 22:10.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:10.47 | TimRiker | lsof shows the path too. so it should be trackable in the kernel. |
| 22:10.52 | kergoth | ah, slick |
| 22:11.00 | kergoth | even better, then |
| 22:12.58 | TimRiker | lsof shows the size, node and path. not the date though. Likely the inode with that info is gone. the undeleted file would get the current date. also don't know about file permissions. |
| 22:48.00 | kergoth | TimRiker: think you could remove 'purl' from #devlounge, since the channel is mostly dead, and add ##ace ? |
| 22:48.11 | kergoth | TimRiker: (yes, thats 2 #s intentionally, not a typo :P) |
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| 22:55.21 | sorphin | jbevren: heh, i need to add the 3 A3000's to my RC5-72 pool, since ppc seems to do really well |
| 23:08.19 | TimRiker | kergoth: ##ace is not registered. |
| 23:08.29 | kergoth | oh yeah, forgot about that |
| 23:08.39 | kergoth | the new freenode policies are .. interesting |
| 23:08.42 | sorphin | what's w/ the ## named channels? |
| 23:08.53 | kergoth | you cant register a # channel if you arent a member of the project its for |
| 23:08.55 | kergoth | anymore |
| 23:09.41 | kergoth | ## is more flexible. ##ace is a channel that is "about ace" |
| 23:09.42 | TimRiker | ~seen td |
| 23:09.50 | ibot | td is currently on #tacobeam. Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 1d 23h 12m 18s |
| 23:09.52 | sorphin | kergoth: if you say so |
| 23:10.07 | TimRiker | td is listed as the contact for #devlounge |
| 23:10.07 | kergoth | sorphin: the idea is to prevent some random user from taking control of a channel for a project. |
| 23:10.17 | sorphin | k |
| 23:10.23 | kergoth | the actual devs on the project should control its channel |
| 23:10.26 | kergoth | which makes sense |
| 23:10.35 | sorphin | nod |
| 23:10.37 | kergoth | okay, i'll pester td |
| 23:11.00 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:11.00 | sorphin | buncha pests ;) |
| 23:11.19 | kergoth | #devlounge was a failed attempt to get a general place for devs to idle, bs, adn talk about stuff unrelated to their projects. |
| 23:11.33 | TimRiker | hmm. thought I saw a td, but nope. |
| 23:11.46 | kergoth | td's the autopackage guy |
| 23:12.19 | sorphin | seems like endian issues but can't bang it down |
| 23:12.35 | sorphin | can't take an encrypted string from one and decode in the other |
| 23:13.37 | TimRiker | hmm. this can't msg thing is a bit much. |
| 23:13.50 | sorphin | TimRiker: yup |
| 23:13.53 | sorphin | sucks |
| 23:14.10 | kergoth | theres a mode you can set to allow/not allow messages from unregistered users, iirc |
| 23:14.17 | sorphin | by default |
| 23:14.20 | sorphin | it doesn't allow |
| 23:14.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:14.27 | kergoth | thats silly. |
| 23:14.30 | sorphin | yep |
| 23:14.32 | sorphin | that's lilo |
| 23:15.25 | sorphin | but he's the one that runs a network that bots like |
| 23:16.50 | TimRiker | ahh /ns set unfiltered on |
| 23:17.42 | sorphin | yep |
| 23:18.15 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.16 | sorphin | :P |
| 23:34.24 | fishhead | sorphin wow we agree on something |
| 23:35.00 | T` | hrmm .. anyone here setup a wireless interface as AP on linux? |
| 23:35.00 | T` | damn it.. can't get beacons broadcasted here |
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