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| 00:03.27 | sorphin | ~lackeyslap sjhill |
| 00:03.28 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjhill around like the lackey they are. |
| 00:04.09 | sjhill | ~insult sorphin |
| 00:04.18 | sjhill | ooo, good one |
| 00:04.23 | sorphin | typical sjhill insults |
| 00:04.28 | sorphin | no originality |
| 00:04.51 | sjhill | heh |
| 00:04.52 | sjh1ll | mips mips mips mips mips |
| 00:04.54 | sjh1ll | :P |
| 00:07.41 | sjhill | sorphin: working on anything fun lately? |
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| 00:08.17 | sorphin | sjhill: messing w/ my new toy machines trying to get freebsd->junos on one |
| 00:08.36 | sorphin | sjhill: and discovering fbsd's sysinstall doesn't like serial consoles |
| 00:08.48 | sjhill | i see file is still chasing his arse in circles |
| 00:09.13 | sorphin | something like that |
| 00:09.13 | CosmicPenguin | I've been working on a bottle of tequila |
| 00:09.15 | CosmicPenguin | if that helps |
| 00:09.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: sweet |
| 00:09.24 | file | good plan |
| 00:09.37 | sjhill | i gave up drinking a lot after a bad weekend in college, way back when |
| 00:09.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: "tequila, is there anything it can't do?" (modeled after homer simpson + donuts) |
| 00:10.12 | sorphin | or |
| 00:10.17 | sorphin | if you're arabian now |
| 00:10.18 | sorphin | Omar |
| 00:10.21 | sorphin | :P |
| 00:10.29 | sjhill | huh, wha'? |
| 00:10.47 | sorphin | sjhill: they've arabianized the simpsons for over seas |
| 00:10.52 | sorphin | according to /. |
| 00:10.55 | sjhill | ah |
| 00:11.17 | sorphin | Omar and Bardt or some crap |
| 00:11.43 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, the Arab Homer won't be eating bacon |
| 00:11.49 | CosmicPenguin | which is very interesting to me |
| 00:11.59 | CosmicPenguin | I want to see one, just to see what its like |
| 00:12.03 | CosmicPenguin | not that I would understand a word, mind you |
| 00:12.20 | sorphin | or hanging out w/ seedy characters at a bar |
| 00:12.21 | CosmicPenguin | time to go home |
| 00:12.24 | sorphin | and moe won't own a bar |
| 00:12.31 | sorphin | and he'll be eating bbq'd something |
| 00:13.12 | sorphin | sjhill: signed another NDA today |
| 00:13.23 | sjhill | that was stupid |
| 00:13.32 | sjhill | haven't i taught you anything? |
| 00:13.38 | sorphin | no choice |
| 00:13.46 | sorphin | only way to get this thing outta RSA |
| 00:13.55 | sjhill | oh |
| 00:14.03 | sjhill | when's the patent expire? |
| 00:14.04 | sorphin | ACE/Server SDK |
| 00:14.42 | sorphin | just so i can use a fscking perl module |
| 00:14.48 | sorphin | to talk directly to the auth server |
| 00:14.53 | sorphin | on both networks |
| 00:15.07 | sorphin | instead of not being able to on 1 side, and having to use radius on the other side |
| 00:15.22 | sorphin | (SecurID stuff) |
| 00:16.43 | sorphin | just based on that serial # |
| 00:16.47 | sorphin | ACE knows when it expires |
| 00:16.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:17.04 | sjhill | hmm |
| 00:17.25 | sjhill | so that means there exists a common function to all of them |
| 00:18.07 | sorphin | all they do is generate a random # |
| 00:18.16 | sorphin | the server uses the same algorithm |
| 00:18.22 | sorphin | and basd on the serial # |
| 00:18.24 | sorphin | time of day |
| 00:18.37 | sorphin | it knows what should be being displayed on the fob at that second |
| 00:18.50 | sorphin | (nothing NDA about that, that's common knowledge) |
| 00:19.05 | sjhill | sure |
| 00:19.33 | sorphin | for simplicity |
| 00:19.48 | sjhill | i'm sure your users are pretty stupid, maybe even dumber than file |
| 00:19.55 | sjhill | w00t! |
| 00:19.59 | sjhill | another TLS test passes |
| 00:19.59 | sorphin | my fob is in a nice lil leather holder ;) |
| 00:20.06 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:20.10 | sjhill | aren't you special |
| 00:20.11 | sorphin | and is a 30 second |
| 00:20.17 | sorphin | i hate the 1 min ones |
| 00:20.19 | sorphin | takes too long |
| 00:20.28 | sorphin | company stopped buying 30 second ones tho |
| 00:20.33 | sorphin | so they'er a hot commodity |
| 00:20.46 | sorphin | if you have to login to a bunch of devices |
| 00:20.48 | sorphin | 1 min is a long time |
| 00:20.52 | sjhill | oh my |
| 00:20.59 | sjhill | i just crashed the assembler |
| 00:21.03 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 00:21.12 | sorphin | YOUR MIPS ASM SUCKS! |
| 00:21.14 | sorphin | haah |
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| 01:44.32 | MonMotha | sjhill: wtf were you doing to crash an assembler? |
| 01:44.51 | sjhill | uClibc + mips + nptl |
| 01:45.27 | sorphin | plus that magic sjhill touch |
| 01:45.33 | sorphin | that makes all code shreak in terror |
| 01:45.49 | MonMotha | sjhill: and you were doing this in assembly why? |
| 01:46.44 | sjhill | no, the assembly generated for __thread and TLS data was invalid |
| 01:46.54 | sjhill | and then it died |
| 01:47.23 | sorphin | either way |
| 01:47.28 | sorphin | it was bad MIPS code |
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| 02:07.28 | MonMotha | ok, I just realllllllly pissed off ReiserFS |
| 02:08.16 | MonMotha | and gnu coreutils for that matter |
| 02:08.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:08.42 | sjhill | dd if=MonMotha of=/dev/null |
| 02:09.11 | sorphin | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sjhill |
| 02:09.23 | sjhill | R!#4rjpfi3jf89p1jp23fjf2ne;f2f |
| 02:09.26 | MonMotha | no, not qutie that bad |
| 02:09.32 | MonMotha | I just had logrotate apparently rotating the rotated files |
| 02:09.49 | MonMotha | which means that I have a directory with a few million (billion? trillion? I don't know, ls can't dislpay it) files |
| 02:10.20 | MonMotha | bash can expand the list out, but rm can't take that many arguments |
| 02:10.32 | MonMotha | so I'm having to do it with a loop. Either that or break out a debugfs type tiool |
| 02:10.56 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh, had that before |
| 02:10.56 | MonMotha | I wondered why my backups were taking hours to complete |
| 02:11.13 | MonMotha | root@pcsmain:/var/log/apache# rm ssl_mutex*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* |
| 02:11.13 | MonMotha | su: /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
| 02:11.17 | MonMotha | that kinda sucks |
| 02:11.26 | sorphin | use find |
| 02:11.40 | sorphin | find . -name "ssl_mutex*" -exec rm -f {} ';' |
| 02:11.40 | MonMotha | yeah, I could do find and xargs I guess |
| 02:11.44 | MonMotha | I exec |
| 02:11.45 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 02:11.53 | MonMotha | I did a for f in *.*.*.* ; do rm $f ; done |
| 02:11.58 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:12.02 | sorphin | that takes longer tho i've found |
| 02:12.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:12.10 | MonMotha | true |
| 02:13.12 | MonMotha | I'd love to see the hard drive light right now |
| 02:15.04 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:15.45 | MonMotha | it's deleting about 20 thousand files every 3 seconds |
| 02:15.52 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:16.30 | MonMotha | it's an exponential growth thing, of course, and it's been going for about 2 months |
| 02:16.43 | MonMotha | I just recently noticed it because my backups started taking like 18 hours to run |
| 02:16.57 | MonMotha | amazingly enough, rsync had no problem with it, but mkisofs god mad |
| 02:18.05 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:18.14 | sorphin | you need to reduce log archiving :P |
| 02:21.06 | MonMotha | yeah, I didn't intend for it to do that |
| 02:21.26 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:21.27 | sorphin | oops |
| 02:23.48 | sorphin | foo@bar.com |
| 02:23.51 | sorphin | :P |
| 02:24.17 | chouimat | sorphin: 2 13 years old girls singing nazi song is a no no for mew |
| 02:24.24 | chouimat | s/w// |
| 02:31.07 | MonMotha | 25067 root 20 0 400 400 332 D 20.9 0.0 0:14 rm |
| 02:31.07 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.12 | MonMotha | I feel sorry for that poor computer |
| 02:39.13 | sorphin | chouimat: heh |
| 02:39.26 | chouimat | sorphin: ? |
| 02:39.28 | sorphin | chouimat: you must really think you're gonna impact a tv network |
| 02:39.33 | sorphin | MonMotha: hehe |
| 02:39.58 | chouimat | sorphin: no but it make a good impact on me ;) |
| 02:41.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:41.57 | sorphin | whatever floats your boat frenchy |
| 02:42.02 | chouimat | sorphin: bah |
| 02:48.47 | chouimat | sorphin: http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1 |
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| 04:55.47 | Russ | wow, what screwed up parents |
| 05:00.00 | sorphin | eh? |
| 05:00.18 | sorphin | we know you didn't turn out that great russ, but be fair, it wasn't all your parents fault |
| 05:00.19 | sorphin | ;) |
| 05:03.05 | Russ | k, I was talking about choimats friends |
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| 05:05.56 | sorphin | ah |
| 05:06.00 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:06.02 | sorphin | that too |
| 05:09.17 | sorphin | Russ: heh, any tips for tracking the traces of a bga chip, taht the vias don't line up w/ the balls at the bottom of the chip? heh |
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| 07:56.44 | sorphin | ibot: wb |
| 07:56.45 | ibot | It's great to be back! |
| 08:05.00 | sorphin | l3v3l3 suxors |
| 08:05.25 | MonMotha | wtf |
| 08:05.29 | MonMotha | sprintlink is now hitting ATDN via L3 |
| 08:05.34 | MonMotha | that makes no sense, they always talk direct |
| 08:05.39 | sorphin | hehe |
| 08:05.55 | sorphin | MonMotha: night |
| 08:05.59 | MonMotha | gn |
| 08:11.42 | T0mW | the digital adventure continues |
| 08:11.57 | MonMotha | T0mW: you mean the "Level3 did something bad" adventure continues? |
| 08:12.03 | MonMotha | though interestingly, Verio died at the same time basically |
| 08:12.11 | MonMotha | dunno if L3 managed to cause that or not |
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| 12:02.07 | prpplague | interesting gaim doesn't want to log onto yahoo im this morning |
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| 13:38.15 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
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| 13:41.43 | prpplague | ~seen pb_ |
| 13:41.48 | ibot | pb_ <n=pb@2002:5168:d214:1:a00:1fff:fe06:93c> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 2d 15h 54m 1s ago, saying: 'joshua_: not offhand, sorry. try the X-Men in #freedesktop.'. |
| 13:48.12 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
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| 13:50.58 | ade|desk | hope pb_ is alright, its unlike him to be away for so long |
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| 14:17.53 | prpplague | ade|desk: yea |
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| 14:23.26 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: just got USB Host working (somewhat) on a Au1550 under U-boot :-) |
| 14:30.50 | sjhill | well cone |
| 14:30.52 | sjhill | done |
| 14:31.12 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 14:31.29 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 14:33.24 | prpplague | sjhill: [brag] you see www.hackaday.com [/brag] today? |
| 14:33.34 | sjhill | nope |
| 14:33.51 | sjhill | i'm in a, um lab with no browser |
| 14:34.06 | sjhill | but i'll make a note of it |
| 14:35.07 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe ok |
| 14:39.17 | cbrake | sjhill: I'm running the Au in BE mode -- kind of a pain to deal w/ LE peripherals like USB ... |
| 14:43.19 | prpplague | heheh mtv is doing a show here this weekend |
| 14:49.47 | sorphin | man |
| 14:49.53 | sorphin | what a busy night thanks to level3 |
| 14:50.50 | sorphin | MonMotha: we think verio does some mpls vpn'ing across level3 |
| 14:51.16 | sorphin | missy's direct deposit and everyone else that uses Commerce bank, they didn't get paid today, think the xfer got hosed |
| 14:53.49 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:54.55 | sorphin | i shouldn't have stayed up last night |
| 14:54.57 | sorphin | erm |
| 14:54.59 | sorphin | 1.5 hours late |
| 14:55.01 | sorphin | damn |
| 14:59.01 | ade|desk | whta happend to level3? |
| 15:02.02 | sorphin | ade|desk: they 'claim' tech issues |
| 15:02.11 | sorphin | what realy happened is they made a power play |
| 15:02.26 | sorphin | most of the net routed aroudn them (those of us that are multi-homed) |
| 15:02.44 | sorphin | they want $30,000 from each peer |
| 15:02.53 | sjhill | jerks |
| 15:02.57 | sorphin | level3 is doing very poorly financially, and their latest earnings prove it |
| 15:02.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:03.32 | sjhill | level3 |
| 15:03.37 | sjhill | hmm |
| 15:03.44 | sjhill | don't they make equipment too? |
| 15:03.48 | sorphin | no |
| 15:04.03 | sjhill | ah, i'm thinking L3 |
| 15:04.08 | sorphin | just own fiber and transit and backbone |
| 15:04.23 | sorphin | level3's in broomsfield |
| 15:05.00 | sorphin | er.. securid |
| 15:05.01 | sjhill | whatever |
| 15:05.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:05.10 | sorphin | sjhill: that means i got the sdk |
| 15:05.10 | sorphin | heh |
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| 15:52.38 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 15:56.56 | sjhill | word up |
| 15:57.46 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: hows life? |
| 15:57.57 | sjhill | busy of course |
| 15:58.05 | CosmicPenguin | thats always best |
| 15:58.10 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: you know, i'm kind of torn on something |
| 15:58.22 | sjhill | i'm doing the contract for Broadcom, right? |
| 15:58.39 | sjhill | whoops |
| 15:58.45 | sjhill | i killed him |
| 15:59.15 | sjhill | *snif* |
| 16:00.23 | sjhill | another split i guess |
| 16:00.34 | sjhill | sorphin: fix the network, will ya'? |
| 16:01.22 | sorphin | sjhill: it's not us |
| 16:01.29 | sorphin | level3 |
| 16:01.33 | sjhill | i know |
| 16:01.39 | sorphin | they're broke |
| 16:01.42 | sorphin | they want $ :P |
| 16:02.31 | sjhill | think they'll get it? |
| 16:02.48 | sjhill | maybe they're testing the waters to see if people care that much |
| 16:03.26 | sorphin | sjhill: the only way they can hurt you is if you're multihomed with them |
| 16:03.37 | sorphin | everyone else will route around them |
| 16:03.42 | sorphin | like we did last night |
| 16:04.04 | sjhill | i wonder how many big corporate customers level3 has |
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| 16:04.27 | sjhill | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 16:08.54 | prpplague | sjhill: be careful smells like its dead |
| 16:10.15 | CosmicPenguin | stupid idiotic proxy |
| 16:10.23 | CosmicPenguin | you were saying, about being torn? |
| 16:10.31 | sorphin | yay, just talked to ACE directly |
| 16:11.33 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: all of my development and the first working uClibc/NPTL....was done on the Au1500 :) |
| 16:12.22 | sjhill | so when i make the big announcement when everything is working, i can give AMD free press and piss off Broadcom who's paying me...all at the same time |
| 16:13.52 | CosmicPenguin | Well, much as we would dig the free press, you gotta dance with the girl that brung ya |
| 16:14.16 | file | oh god |
| 16:14.22 | file | I just got the name of our sales rep with UUnet |
| 16:14.24 | file | "Recardo Ponce de Leon" |
| 16:14.51 | file | now THAT'S an interesting name |
| 16:15.41 | sjhill | that's about as Spanish as you can get |
| 16:15.59 | sorphin | tho |
| 16:16.00 | sjhill | yeah, but everyone here today knows the real story |
| 16:16.17 | sorphin | looks like i might not have needed the newest SDK |
| 16:16.19 | sorphin | we'll see |
| 16:16.22 | sorphin | doing more testing |
| 16:16.37 | ade|desk | grr uunet suck, they take ages to do what you ask them to do , bind ip to name please.... 3 weeks later .. still nothing |
| 16:16.50 | file | we're trying to get a /23 |
| 16:17.25 | file | the UUnet circuit actually predates all of the current techs employment with the company... |
| 16:18.22 | ade|desk | anyway my holiday started 15 mins ago , so i'm off |
| 16:18.32 | ade|desk | see you folks |
| 16:19.10 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: it just makes me happy to know that the au1500 is useable... :) |
| 16:19.33 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:20.23 | chouimat | ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 16:21.30 | ade|desk | sounds good |
| 16:21.36 | sjhill | lol |
| 16:23.23 | ade|desk | at last |
| 16:23.29 | ade|desk | cya folks |
| 16:25.11 | sorphin | dont' forget guys |
| 16:25.14 | sorphin | uunet = mci |
| 16:25.21 | sorphin | that's why they still suck |
| 16:25.25 | sorphin | even when i worked at mci |
| 16:25.30 | sorphin | the nickname for uunet |
| 16:25.38 | sorphin | was (d)uu(h)net |
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| 16:48.30 | prpplague | hmm, i have 64MB sdram, but can only seem to access 32 |
| 16:54.42 | prpplague | well thats not exactly correct |
| 16:55.05 | jbevren | chipset issue? |
| 16:55.34 | prpplague | looks like it reads/writes all addresses from 0x00000000 up to 0x03DEFA00 |
| 16:56.19 | prpplague | which it should read/write up to 0x03FFFFFF |
| 16:57.00 | jbevren | oh, not a lintel |
| 17:04.46 | sorphin | must be ARM |
| 17:04.48 | sorphin | knowing plague |
| 17:04.56 | jbevren | nod |
| 17:05.06 | jbevren | wonder if he got one of those sbc's he pointed out on ebay |
| 17:15.31 | prpplague | jbevren: which one is that? |
| 17:15.55 | jbevren | the 'graphics client' ? |
| 17:16.03 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, no |
| 17:16.10 | prpplague | jbevren: got rid of mine years ago |
| 17:16.22 | prpplague | jbevren: plus i have all the arm dev boards i can stand |
| 17:30.02 | jbevren | prpplague: btw, did you get my note about the cf wireless card? |
| 17:33.17 | prpplague | jbevren: yea thanks |
| 17:33.27 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm always forget to ident |
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| 18:19.03 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:20.17 | chouimat | prpplague: exactly ... and I got the last piece of info I needed yesterday |
| 18:20.50 | jbevren | Chotaire: Well, you have all the info you need, just do it over the weekend. |
| 18:20.55 | jbevren | grr |
| 18:20.58 | jbevren | stupid nick complete |
| 18:21.03 | jbevren | chouimat : ^^ |
| 18:21.11 | jbevren | :D |
| 18:21.16 | chouimat | jbevren: I'm not alone on the project and some are panicking ... |
| 18:21.37 | jbevren | turn it in late, blame management for not properly setting a timely deadline |
| 18:22.21 | chouimat | jbevren: I might just say "f* it" since it's for a context and I'm not the one with the info |
| 18:22.53 | chouimat | errr contest |
| 18:22.55 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:23.55 | prpplague | argh why would someone need to link against libgcc for a bootloader |
| 18:23.56 | prpplague | ?? |
| 18:23.56 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it when things work the first time |
| 18:24.32 | jbevren | prpplague: thats a wtf moment |
| 18:24.40 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: in my case today I will enjoy this a lot |
| 18:26.44 | prpplague | jbevren: looks like its looking for __udivs13 |
| 18:27.02 | prpplague | jbevren: whatever that is |
| 18:30.38 | prpplague | usigned division i would guess |
| 18:34.07 | CosmicPenguin | I would expect so |
| 18:35.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: never run across that problem before, not sure i understand why its showing up |
| 19:01.46 | prpplague | hmm wonder if there is a good macro implementation for udiv |
| 19:02.22 | T0mW | ?? |
| 19:02.47 | T0mW | prpplague: ran into that myself |
| 19:04.05 | T0mW | prpplague: apparently, if you have ever coded an integer divsion you would find that it takes a lot of shift instructions. Without an integer unit in the processor, they apparently took the approach of using a lib, instead of inlining the code. |
| 19:04.42 | T0mW | prpplague: you could write your own integer divide |
| 19:05.00 | T0mW | compare, shift, subtract ... |
| 19:05.18 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i was just curious as this bootloader would be alot smaller without it |
| 19:05.44 | T0mW | prpplague: naw, I don't find that the code grows really big with libgcc |
| 19:06.00 | T0mW | prpplague: just that it won't work without it, heh |
| 19:06.26 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm |
| 19:06.48 | prpplague | T0mW: just not used to a bootloader being 100k |
| 19:07.10 | T0mW | prpplague: neither am it, you've got something fscked up |
| 19:07.16 | T0mW | s/it/i/ |
| 19:07.21 | prpplague | T0mW: thats the normal build size |
| 19:07.31 | prpplague | T0mW: for this particular one |
| 19:07.42 | T0mW | prpplague: really? does it wash windows too? |
| 19:07.59 | prpplague | T0mW: uboot is even bigger |
| 19:08.09 | prpplague | T0mW: it averages about 120k |
| 19:08.11 | T0mW | prpplague: do you have an mmc / cf on the board? |
| 19:08.29 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 19:09.31 | prpplague | T0mW: can't see to figure out whats going on |
| 19:09.48 | prpplague | T0mW: my asm works fine, but when it jumps to the c code all hell breaks loose |
| 19:09.57 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, the area between the partition table (physical sector 0) and where the boot sector is (msdos boot sector), that area is supposed to be reserved for device boot. e.g. the code needed to boot the interface to the drive electronics itself. It is reserved but you can use it. |
| 19:10.42 | T0mW | prpplague: this is an old spec, but is still in force today: the reserved area between partition table and boot sector |
| 19:11.30 | T0mW | prpplague: you could install your "read bootcode" into that area, then have a tiny blind-loader that simply pulls in 256K / ??K from that area. |
| 19:11.54 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe yea, i'm just trying to bring the board up at the momment |
| 19:12.33 | T0mW | prpplague: something you might want to keep in mind for the future. I have seen manufacturers use that area for their device boot. |
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| 19:13.49 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i already have that working for my 79520 board |
| 19:14.05 | prpplague | T0mW: microbootloader is just 2k |
| 19:14.47 | T0mW | nod |
| 19:15.11 | T0mW | prpplague: wasn't sure if you knew about that trick or not |
| 19:15.26 | prpplague | T0mW: something odd thought, if i'm running this from flash at 0x00000000, shouldn't the lds script have the text area as 0x00000000 |
| 19:19.00 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, you should |
| 19:19.36 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, and make sure crt0.s is the first module in the image, heh |
| 19:20.09 | T0mW | ~lart prpplague for attempting thinking on Fridays |
| 19:20.46 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, not my code, i assumed it was that lds was right :( |
| 19:21.22 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe that is why it is > 100K? not your code. :P |
| 19:21.52 | T0mW | prpplague: prolly code from trainee-embedded systems coder |
| 19:22.06 | prpplague | nope same size, but testing now |
| 19:29.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i just need to promise myself not to get stuck doing projects that don't advance my understanding of embedded systems |
| 19:30.00 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, that is what happens when you work 9-5, you also get to do the scut-work |
| 19:30.02 | prpplague | T0mW: btw, hows the lpc boards? |
| 19:30.36 | T0mW | prpplague: good, I'm going for a second version of the PCB to make sure I have all the cuts & jumpers on the schematic |
| 19:31.13 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 19:31.35 | prpplague | T0mW: sure hope i finally get this booting completely |
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| 19:32.28 | prpplague | T0mW: i've been under the gun so much lately that i've not been able to get alot of done in advance of a project |
| 19:32.57 | CosmicPenguin | you're supposed to get things done before a project? |
| 19:32.59 | CosmicPenguin | no - no |
| 19:33.02 | CosmicPenguin | thats not how its done |
| 19:33.15 | CosmicPenguin | you wait until the deadline is in three days, and then your manager freaks out |
| 19:33.16 | prpplague | hehe i know, but its how i try to make it happen |
| 19:33.18 | CosmicPenguin | thats how a project gets done |
| 19:33.26 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, problem is that even if you find that you can work from home, that you end up trying to get more done to justify having them let you do it... |
| 19:33.43 | CosmicPenguin | silly goose |
| 19:34.02 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, 34 hours at a time, get some sleep, then another 30 or so hours |
| 19:34.09 | T0mW | btdt |
| 19:34.14 | T0mW | fsck that stuff |
| 19:34.21 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 19:35.11 | T0mW | somehow, either they have to realize that there is such a thing as being "unrealistic", or, it is time to get another job! |
| 19:35.30 | CosmicPenguin | Here we need to break the cycle |
| 19:36.01 | CosmicPenguin | we screw up the planning phase of the previous project, and then spend our time firefighting |
| 19:36.01 | CosmicPenguin | instead of planning the next project |
| 19:36.01 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, rusty is really good about that, its more me than him thats making the pressure |
| 19:36.01 | T0mW | but, they wouldn't learn, they would get some other poor sap to struggle with their deadlines, ..... until that one leaves in disgust |
| 19:36.21 | T0mW | prpplague: balance |
| 19:36.21 | prpplague | T0mW: don't want anyone to catch on that i'm a total git and just putting on a good show |
| 19:36.28 | T0mW | ho! |
| 19:37.09 | CosmicPenguin | join the club |
| 19:38.55 | prpplague | T0mW: gotta port that microloader over to the s3c2410 next week |
| 19:39.07 | prpplague | T0mW: i really should have done it first |
| 19:40.01 | T0mW | prpplague: did they get you a decend jtag unit? |
| 19:40.09 | T0mW | s/decend/decent/ |
| 19:40.29 | T0mW | my fingers cannot sepll today |
| 19:40.35 | T0mW | dyslexic too |
| 19:40.37 | prpplague | T0mW: i have a lauterbach |
| 19:40.45 | T0mW | ah, good |
| 19:40.46 | prpplague | T0mW: but i'm not real happy with it |
| 19:40.54 | T0mW | no? |
| 19:40.55 | prpplague | T0mW: i've actually be using armtool and jtager |
| 19:41.00 | prpplague | been |
| 19:41.09 | T0mW | I like the Abatron unit |
| 19:41.26 | prpplague | yea, i'd like to get a bdi2k unit |
| 19:41.43 | prpplague | but those damm strippers end up with all my funds |
| 19:41.50 | T0mW | I open a seperate console, telnet into the bdi2000, then command it to "erase" then "prog" and it burns my latest into Flash |
| 19:42.24 | prpplague | T0mW: yea the only thing is, all of our stuff has to work with our custom dongle |
| 19:43.13 | prpplague | T0mW: i was planning to spend some time using a ez-usb based device to do jtag |
| 19:43.24 | prpplague | T0mW: would be alot faster than lpt port |
| 19:43.35 | T0mW | I'm still getting used to the unit. The distributor didn't have an image for the bdi2000 that knew how to program the LPC2138. So, I encouraged them to check with Abatron. I ended up with some pre-release code that works fine. |
| 19:44.22 | T0mW | prpplague: you know, every time I see / read the word "dongle", I mentally remove the "LE" ending from it... |
| 19:44.39 | T0mW | dunno why that is |
| 19:44.41 | prpplague | T0mW: only took me a day to get jflash working this time |
| 19:44.43 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 19:44.48 | T0mW | don't you? |
| 19:46.10 | prpplague | T0mW: sometimes |
| 19:46.19 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, still no luck on the bootloader |
| 19:46.53 | prpplague | can't understand why this isn't working |
| 19:48.46 | T0mW | anybody recall how to get an IBM thinkpad into the CMOS setup screen? |
| 19:49.36 | T0mW | ah: <esc>, then <ctrl-s> |
| 19:51.25 | CosmicPenguin | glad to be of service |
| 19:55.54 | CosmicPenguin | April 7, 2009 |
| 19:58.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that when my brain is past the experation date? |
| 20:03.28 | CosmicPenguin | whenever I need ol' sjhill, he's never around |
| 20:06.04 | prpplague | thats sjhill for ya |
| 20:06.27 | T0mW | tea time |
| 20:09.17 | T0mW | prpplague: I think that Philips should come out with an LPC2000 series processor with only 32K / 64K of flash and 2meg of SRAM. Then we can stick linux inside one of these tiny chips |
| 20:10.02 | prpplague | 32k of flash ? |
| 20:10.11 | prpplague | how ya gonna get linux inside there? |
| 20:10.16 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, just enough to boot from media |
| 20:10.45 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:10.57 | T0mW | 32K is enough room for a Stage 1 loader, isn't it? |
| 20:11.06 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i've been wanting to port UZI to one of those |
| 20:11.33 | T0mW | UZI? Is that like an Israeli distro? |
| 20:11.43 | T0mW | :P |
| 20:13.27 | prpplague | T0mW: http://uzix.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=intro&lang=us |
| 20:14.45 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, interesting bit of trival code |
| 20:16.06 | prpplague | T0mW: finally got the c code starting |
| 20:16.14 | prpplague | T0mW: just need to finish the board init |
| 20:25.57 | prpplague | i've got to find time to do a usb jtag |
| 20:26.04 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:26.10 | jbevren | that'd rock |
| 20:26.35 | prpplague | jbevren: pretty easy to do from my experience with the ez-usb stuff |
| 20:26.49 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/EzUsb |
| 20:27.03 | prpplague | jbevren: you can get some of those usb devices pretty cheap |
| 20:27.09 | jbevren | nod. |
| 20:27.13 | jbevren | I have a midiman 2x2 |
| 20:27.16 | jbevren | its an ez-usb device |
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| 20:35.36 | T0mW | finally found something I needed that Digikey didn't have |
| 20:35.51 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:35.54 | jbevren | I do that now and then |
| 20:35.58 | jbevren | tried mouser? |
| 20:36.13 | T0mW | yeah, that's were I bought them, the backup supplier |
| 20:37.07 | T0mW | mouser's website is geared too much towards the purchasing agent. I find digikey is so much easier, they have the pdfs so easy to get at and their search engine seems better |
| 20:39.12 | T0mW | prpplague: doesn't Rowley have a usb jtag? |
| 20:39.25 | prpplague | T0mW: yea not linux supported |
| 20:39.28 | prpplague | iirc |
| 20:39.59 | prpplague | T0mW: getting it here isn't the problem |
| 20:40.07 | prpplague | T0mW: its the duty and vat |
| 20:42.27 | prpplague | T0mW: what slows things down on the s3c2410 jtag is it has a 470+ chain |
| 20:43.08 | T0mW | ooh hooo! big chain! |
| 20:43.15 | CosmicPenguin | Have you ever been debugging, and discovered the bug through some sort of random process |
| 20:43.19 | CosmicPenguin | That scares me |
| 20:43.38 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: sonny, that is called "skill" |
| 20:43.40 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:43.55 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: you dare not call it any other name |
| 20:44.04 | CosmicPenguin | I worry that one day I'll never find the random series of events I need |
| 20:44.06 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: you are just "that good" |
| 20:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | Or that someone will ask me how I found the bug |
| 20:44.13 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno |
| 20:44.27 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: deductive guessing |
| 20:44.48 | CosmicPenguin | I call it blind fsckin' luck |
| 20:44.54 | T0mW | yeah |
| 20:45.24 | T0mW | alright, I've got to figure how to get this rpm package inserted into the right moment during the MunchiesLinux install |
| 20:46.05 | T0mW | either I can hack the installer, again, or maybe dependancies requirements would be easier |
| 20:46.12 | prpplague | T0mW: ok see if you can find the difference in these two photos http://members.home.nl/saen/Special/Zoeken.swf |
| 20:46.48 | T0mW | prpplague: whats' and swf file? |
| 20:46.53 | T0mW | shockwave? |
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| 20:47.15 | T0mW | I don't use shockwave here |
| 20:47.32 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe bummer, should be just a plugin for your browser |
| 20:53.07 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2005/10/cardboard_pc_ca.html |
| 20:53.07 | CosmicPenguin | jej |
| 20:53.09 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:53.09 | CosmicPenguin | even |
| 20:56.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: actually that would be good for abcsinc, they could send that in a suitcase with a tech for emergency repair jobs |
| 20:57.37 | CosmicPenguin | I was thinking they would be great here too |
| 21:00.11 | prpplague | these headphones are starting to hurt my ears |
| 21:00.22 | prpplague | guess they weren't designed to wear for 8 hours straight |
| 21:14.02 | sorphin | prpplague: maybe it's that odd music you're listening to ;) |
| 21:15.59 | prpplague | sorphin: you don't like groove salad? |
| 21:21.08 | T0mW | prpplague: it is just a plugin, I elect not to use it. too much stupid stuff out there running shockwave and I find it very annoying to be "entertained" by some mindless advertisement |
| 21:23.22 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 21:24.31 | prpplague | later folks |
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| 22:12.46 | sorphin | ok, who here actually understands perl hashes? :P |
| 22:12.52 | sorphin | and will admit it |
| 22:12.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:13.03 | CosmicPenguin | well, depends on what you mean by understands |
| 22:13.56 | sorphin | i have this hash |
| 22:13.59 | sorphin | and in this hash |
| 22:14.04 | sorphin | there thigns like |
| 22:14.13 | sorphin | 1 => 'OK', |
| 22:14.21 | sorphin | 2 => 'access denied', |
| 22:14.34 | sorphin | i'm trying to print a value directly |
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| 22:14.48 | sorphin | i.e. if the hash name is somehash |
| 22:15.10 | sorphin | $somehash{"$result"} |
| 22:15.25 | sorphin | where result is a number that would match one of the above keys |
| 22:15.41 | sorphin | everything i 've found people are going through foreach loops, etc |
| 22:15.50 | sorphin | i just need to pluck 1 value, not print them all |
| 22:16.28 | sorphin | make sense? |
| 22:17.56 | CosmicPenguin | and just plain $somehash{$result} doesn't work? |
| 22:18.06 | file | it should, I've done it |
| 22:20.29 | sorphin | nope |
| 22:20.34 | sorphin | prints nothingness |
| 22:21.23 | sorphin | mini flood |
| 22:21.25 | sorphin | my %aceres = (); |
| 22:21.26 | sorphin | %aceres = { |
| 22:21.26 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.26 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.26 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.26 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.28 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.30 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.32 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.34 | sorphin | }; |
| 22:21.57 | sorphin | so theoretically |
| 22:22.32 | sorphin | $aceres{$result} when $result = 1, should return with "ACM_ACCESS_DENIED" |
| 22:22.41 | sorphin | but it doesn't |
| 22:26.15 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
| 22:35.50 | T0mW | sorphin: I think that you have to do $aceres{"1"} not $aceres{1} |
| 22:36.00 | CosmicPenguin | shouldn't matter |
| 22:36.05 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: does |
| 22:36.46 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: side effect is that either could work, but perl manual cautions to use the quotation |
| 22:37.10 | CosmicPenguin | ok - I'll accept that |
| 22:37.47 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know what he's doing wrong - its working here |
| 22:37.48 | CosmicPenguin | both ways |
| 22:38.01 | kergoth | welp, considering i havent gone into work at all this week, and havent called in, methinks i'm likely now unemployed. i told the boss last week about my depression, but nobody is that tolerant |
| 22:38.22 | kergoth | at least i'm back on the antidepressents i was on in texas, so in a couple weeks i should be back to normal |
| 22:38.53 | CosmicPenguin | <sorphin flood> |
| 22:38.55 | CosmicPenguin | $foo{0} = "hello"; |
| 22:38.56 | CosmicPenguin | $foo{1} = "sorphin"; |
| 22:38.56 | CosmicPenguin | $result="1"; |
| 22:38.56 | CosmicPenguin | print $foo{"$result"}."\n"; |
| 22:39.09 | CosmicPenguin | das works |
| 22:43.12 | sorphin | yeah |
| 22:43.16 | sorphin | just figured that one out |
| 22:43.17 | sorphin | oh well |
| 22:43.29 | sorphin | actually |
| 22:43.33 | sorphin | this is what worked |
| 22:43.41 | file | I swear people are stupid |
| 22:43.46 | sorphin | $aceres{'0'} = 'ACM_OK'; |
| 22:43.47 | sorphin | and |
| 22:43.48 | file | "I added fax blasting but it doesn't show up" |
| 22:43.54 | T0mW | file: don't swear, most are |
| 22:43.55 | file | "Have you added regular fax service too?" |
| 22:43.57 | sorphin | printf "Result: %s\n", $aceres{$status}; |
| 22:44.04 | file | "oh... no" |
| 22:44.37 | sorphin | kergoth: heh |
| 22:44.53 | sorphin | you probably should start calling in :-P |
| 22:44.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:44.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:45.11 | kergoth | i should email, mention i'm on medication now, and ask if i'm still employed :P |
| 22:45.13 | sorphin | or check into a psycho ward :P |
| 22:45.44 | T0mW | foreach my $key in (keys %aceres) do { print "${key} is ${aceres{$key}}\n" } |
| 22:46.40 | file | I had something to say but now I forgot it |
| 22:53.10 | sorphin | didn't need a for loop |
| 22:53.31 | sorphin | just have to peg 1 value based on the key |
| 22:53.35 | sorphin | and what i pasted worked |
| 23:27.08 | sorphin | ya know |
| 23:27.18 | sorphin | i hate networks that kick you for a damn bold colon |
| 23:27.25 | sorphin | that's so useless |
| 23:27.27 | jbevren | networks? |
| 23:27.30 | file[laptop] | randomly! |
| 23:27.34 | sorphin | efnet was unhelpful |
| 23:27.40 | sorphin | undernet kicks for a bold colon |
| 23:27.46 | jbevren | oh |
| 23:27.53 | jbevren | dont ask freebsd communities for help |
| 23:27.56 | CosmicPenguin | Thats because efnet and undernet full of such damn idiots |
| 23:28.03 | jbevren | theyre a bunch of elitist faggots (sorry channel, it must be said cause its true) |
| 23:28.42 | CosmicPenguin | Here's a hint, jbevren... so are we |
| 23:28.43 | jbevren | I'd be running fbsd now, most likely, if I'd have not run into one elitist after another when I first tried it |
| 23:28.47 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: hardly. |
| 23:28.49 | jbevren | hehe |
| 23:29.02 | jbevren | it was a user support contest to get me to choose OSen |
| 23:29.06 | jbevren | freebsd lost |
| 23:29.13 | sorphin | the ONLY reason |
| 23:29.17 | sorphin | i'm trying to install freebsd |
| 23:29.19 | sorphin | is JunOS |
| 23:29.26 | sorphin | otherwise i'd never touch it |
| 23:29.32 | jbevren | yep. |
| 23:30.05 | sorphin | get this |
| 23:30.11 | sorphin | i tell the guy the bug ID |
| 23:30.23 | sorphin | RevDigger> can't be too widespread. first I have seen it. though I haven't installed |
| 23:30.23 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.23 | sorphin | <sorphin> revdigger i didn't even report the bug |
| 23:30.23 | sorphin | <RevDigger> yes, I got that |
| 23:30.24 | sorphin | <sorphin> me and another person had it happen on 4.11 |
| 23:30.24 | sorphin | <RevDigger> I didn't say it was imaginary |
| 23:30.26 | sorphin | <sorphin> (can't use 5.2) for this application |
| 23:30.28 | sorphin | <sorphin> oh well |
| 23:30.30 | sorphin | <RevDigger> you might submit a followup |
| 23:30.32 | sorphin | gee |
| 23:30.34 | sorphin | how helpful |
| 23:30.44 | sorphin | efnet wouldn't talk about anything because 'it's friday' |
| 23:30.56 | jbevren | elitists :) |
| 23:30.57 | sorphin | so i'm too good to help you, even tho i'm an op in a help channel |
| 23:31.01 | sorphin | so fscking LOG OUT |
| 23:31.03 | sorphin | duh |
| 23:32.43 | sorphin | i've never found a useful help channel |
| 23:32.50 | sorphin | on 'huge ass networks' |
| 23:32.54 | sorphin | ever |
| 23:33.01 | sorphin | freebsd or otherwise |
| 23:33.28 | jbevren | ircnet #linux used to be real cool |
| 23:33.31 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.27 | sorphin | hell, openbsd is better than freebsd |
| 23:34.34 | sorphin | but enough about the bad words |
| 23:35.34 | sorphin | jbevren: heh i got told to 'get a real irc client' |
| 23:36.06 | sorphin | like what? bloody xchat? lol or mirc? ha |
| 23:36.17 | sorphin | so no xchat |
| 23:36.29 | jbevren | heh |
| 23:36.32 | jbevren | log back in with ircII |
| 23:36.37 | jbevren | tell them you have a real irc client |
| 23:36.57 | sorphin | i dn't even have ircII |
| 23:36.57 | sorphin | and don't want it |
| 23:36.57 | jbevren | I use BitchX |
| 23:36.57 | sorphin | ditto |
| 23:37.11 | jbevren | everyone wants me to use irssi |
| 23:37.14 | jbevren | but Icant stand it :) |
| 23:37.25 | sorphin | people want me to use mutt for mail :P |
| 23:37.33 | jbevren | hehe |
| 23:37.40 | jbevren | mutt's worse than vi |
| 23:37.41 | sorphin | even the 'make it look like pine' wasn't enough |
| 23:37.54 | jbevren | vi is, at least, intuitive |
| 23:38.00 | jbevren | mutt is like ctrl-x to reply |
| 23:38.06 | jbevren | ctrl-i to delete |
| 23:38.11 | jbevren | stupid crap (I'm exaggerating) |
| 23:38.11 | jbevren | :) |
| 23:38.11 | MonMotha | you know, I don't know that I've ever heard VI described as intuitive |
| 23:38.22 | jbevren | MonMotha: what's not intuitive about it |
| 23:38.24 | jbevren | you move to a word |
| 23:38.27 | jbevren | type cw to change word |
| 23:38.29 | jbevren | type a new word :) |
| 23:38.33 | jbevren | does it get less intuitive? |
| 23:38.35 | sorphin | jbevren: do i have to pay you to pin that out so i can see if this will even work? :) |
| 23:38.50 | sorphin | ah, it's cw |
| 23:38.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:39.00 | sorphin | learn something new |
| 23:39.03 | jbevren | cw |
| 23:39.03 | jbevren | dw |
| 23:39.04 | jbevren | yw |
| 23:39.08 | jbevren | change, delete, yank |
| 23:39.12 | sorphin | right |
| 23:39.18 | jbevren | c d y all have extensions like $ w etc |
| 23:39.27 | sorphin | right |
| 23:39.31 | jbevren | I like my favorite |
| 23:39.36 | jbevren | c/searchstring |
| 23:39.41 | sorphin | hehe |
| 23:39.43 | jbevren | changes to the next occurance of searchstring :) |
| 23:40.05 | jbevren | I use d/VirtualHost> a lot in httpd.conf |
| 23:40.16 | sorphin | jbevren: hmmmmm |
| 23:40.21 | sorphin | when installing 5.2 via serial console, the install process gets as far |
| 23:40.21 | sorphin | as asking what terminal type you would like to use, but then does not |
| 23:40.21 | sorphin | respond to input. The machine runs 4.9-REL ok via serial console |
| 23:40.32 | sorphin | which version did you pull? |
| 23:40.36 | jbevren | fbsd? |
| 23:40.39 | sorphin | ya |
| 23:40.39 | jbevren | 4.8 as you recommended. |
| 23:40.49 | jbevren | note: Debian with 2.4 kernel works fine |
| 23:40.55 | sorphin | right |
| 23:40.57 | sorphin | i know |
| 23:40.58 | jbevren | same install, 2.6 kernel has garbled output |
| 23:41.03 | sorphin | well |
| 23:41.07 | sorphin | that's because 2.6.... |
| 23:41.09 | sorphin | nevermind |
| 23:41.23 | jbevren | 2.6's serial support is nasty |
| 23:41.40 | sorphin | jbevren: i'll grab 4.9-REL |
| 23:41.45 | sorphin | see if that works, heh |
| 23:42.01 | sorphin | pin that header please ;) |
| 23:42.14 | sorphin | i'll... trip file for you |
| 23:42.16 | sorphin | hehe |
| 23:42.47 | jbevren | the pie'll be there for whenever you feel like doing so |
| 23:42.57 | sorphin | what the hell |
| 23:43.39 | jbevren | I needs me some fresh air |
| 23:44.30 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.33 | jbevren | afk :P |
| 23:44.52 | sorphin | ok |
| 23:45.10 | sorphin | then pin out the header please ;) |
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