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| 00:09.27 | CosmicPenguin | cogent transit - that sounds like a mental disorder |
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| 00:45.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:45.38 | sorphin | T0mW: i knew that anyways |
| 00:45.45 | sorphin | the previous owners apparently didn't know |
| 00:46.09 | sorphin | T0mW: usually not this extensive tho, usually not cobwebs in the gas jets |
| 00:46.27 | T0mW | sorphin: while I was in Phoenix a few years ago, my grandmother's neighbor asked me to clean hers |
| 00:47.10 | T0mW | sorphin: so, I cleaned her jets. :P |
| 00:48.08 | T0mW | cold in here |
| 00:48.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:49.08 | sorphin | T0mW: the orifices were basically siezed to the thing, so he was having fun cleaning this.. thankfully it eventually cleared up |
| 00:49.56 | T0mW | ah, lots of corrosion then |
| 00:50.26 | sorphin | yeah |
| 00:50.36 | sorphin | the former owners seemed to have a fear of cleaning things, heh |
| 00:51.05 | sorphin | plus the house sat for a year the gal stayed at some house down in south MO after her husband kicked teh bucket, so the house just sat here |
| 00:57.47 | chouimat | hey sorphin |
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| 01:01.16 | sorphin | chouimat: allo mat |
| 01:01.28 | sorphin | evening mr timmy |
| 01:02.40 | chouimat | sorphin: email addy I have something funny for you |
| 01:03.36 | sorphin | uh oh |
| 01:03.53 | chouimat | sorphin: no it's not sex related |
| 01:04.07 | chouimat | and it work place safe |
| 01:04.14 | sorphin | k |
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| 01:07.41 | sorphin | chouimat: oh brother :P |
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| 01:08.53 | chouimat | sorphin: the video? |
| 01:09.11 | sorphin | chouimat: ya |
| 01:09.32 | chouimat | sorphin: It's good but also .... |
| 01:10.57 | chouimat | sorphin: I just found Black Sabbath Live in 2004 but with Rob Halford (Judas Priest) instead of Ozzy ... that will sound good |
| 01:22.15 | sorphin | cool |
| 01:22.18 | sorphin | enjoy it |
| 01:22.54 | chouimat | sorphin: I will |
| 01:23.12 | chouimat | in 23 hours :( |
| 01:25.13 | sorphin | d'oh |
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| 01:34.58 | sorphin | andersee: evening mr andersen |
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| 01:48.28 | sorphin | TimRiker: prolly not |
| 01:48.49 | sorphin | he's too busy busyboxing :P |
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| 03:29.51 | file | eep |
| 03:30.19 | sorphin | jbevren: soldered TX RX and GND for "com3" about to try it out |
| 03:30.21 | sorphin | if it works |
| 03:30.34 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:30.36 | sorphin | i'm gonna remove com1 and com2's connectors and put com3 and vga |
| 03:30.38 | jbevren | setting com3 to 3f8/4? |
| 03:30.41 | sorphin | ya |
| 03:30.50 | sorphin | it shows up as ttyS0 in linux |
| 03:30.54 | jbevren | ok |
| 03:31.20 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:31.30 | jbevren | anyone know how many gates are in an 82s100 (ancient pla)? |
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| 03:40.03 | sorphin | jbevren: hmm.. garbage |
| 03:41.03 | sorphin | at 19200 and 9600 and 38400 |
| 03:42.07 | jbevren | is the data inverted? |
| 03:42.15 | sorphin | ? |
| 03:42.34 | jbevren | a port without rs232 transcievers transmits an active signal as 5v and an inactive as 0 |
| 03:42.44 | jbevren | by contrast, rs232 uses -5 for active, and 5 for inactive |
| 03:42.48 | sorphin | it's doing TTL |
| 03:43.02 | jbevren | invert the data stream :P |
| 03:43.16 | sorphin | uh |
| 03:43.24 | sorphin | sorry, fresh outta maxims :P |
| 03:43.31 | jbevren | got a 7400? |
| 03:43.33 | jbevren | 7404? |
| 03:43.34 | jbevren | :) |
| 03:43.37 | sorphin | no |
| 03:43.42 | jbevren | for testing, caputre the stream, and xor 0xff |
| 03:43.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:44.23 | joe_bleau | one way or bidirectional comm? |
| 03:44.37 | jbevren | joe_bleau: Testing.. one way for now since he has no level shifters :) |
| 03:44.50 | joe_bleau | I'm thinking swap ground and output to invert |
| 03:45.02 | jbevren | that wont cause a chassis ground differential? |
| 03:45.09 | joe_bleau | depends... |
| 03:45.20 | joe_bleau | Easy to test, though |
| 03:45.23 | jbevren | nod. |
| 03:45.29 | sorphin | only 3 wires here :P |
| 03:45.32 | joe_bleau | Got any transistors? |
| 03:45.40 | joe_bleau | Only need two |
| 03:45.43 | jbevren | ooo RTL logi :) |
| 03:45.43 | joe_bleau | (wires) |
| 03:45.44 | jbevren | logiC |
| 03:45.47 | sorphin | heh, oh goodie |
| 03:45.59 | sorphin | so much for an easy com port rig :P |
| 03:46.05 | jbevren | sorphin: its simple. How well do you remember analogue :) |
| 03:46.07 | sorphin | the RIO must have stuff on it then |
| 03:46.14 | jbevren | yeah probably |
| 03:46.40 | sorphin | joe_bleau: now wtf were you talking about? |
| 03:46.57 | jbevren | sorphin: build an inverting amplifier on the ttl output ;-) |
| 03:46.59 | joe_bleau | If you're only listening to the output of something, swap the output and ground wires |
| 03:47.11 | jbevren | or try that :P |
| 03:47.12 | joe_bleau | Run output to your other device's ground... |
| 03:47.18 | joe_bleau | And ground to the input |
| 03:47.27 | sorphin | err |
| 03:47.38 | file | ah crap |
| 03:47.47 | jbevren | gzip file |
| 03:47.56 | jbevren | chattr +i file |
| 03:48.08 | sorphin | that makes him immutable |
| 03:48.10 | sorphin | can't delete him |
| 03:48.12 | sorphin | :P |
| 03:48.21 | sorphin | joe_bleau: uhh |
| 03:48.52 | joe_bleau | Or you could use a transistor and a resistor or two, maybe a diode, and build an inverter |
| 03:49.20 | joe_bleau | I don't think the XOR trick will work, 'cause the start bit is mangling due to the inversion |
| 03:49.22 | sorphin | joe_bleau: that whole cross wires just sounds weird |
| 03:49.26 | jbevren | one transistor, two resistors |
| 03:49.34 | jbevren | output -> resistor -> gate |
| 03:49.35 | joe_bleau | Sure, but if you can float one device it's all fine and dandy. |
| 03:49.56 | jbevren | +5 -> resistor -> (reciever+collector) -> emitter -> gnd |
| 03:49.57 | jbevren | or so |
| 03:50.15 | sorphin | right now i have gnd to gnd |
| 03:50.17 | joe_bleau | Use the handshake lines on your terminal for +/- power, and you can get something like real RS-232 levels |
| 03:50.17 | sorphin | tx to rx |
| 03:50.20 | sorphin | rx to tx |
| 03:50.36 | sorphin | aka null |
| 03:50.48 | joe_bleau | CPCI TX to PC GND |
| 03:50.52 | joe_bleau | CPCI GND to PC RX |
| 03:50.59 | jbevren | nod. the thing to note is that rs232 is inverted voltage-wise. |
| 03:50.59 | joe_bleau | Two wire only |
| 03:51.29 | sorphin | i'm trusting you on this |
| 03:51.43 | jbevren | I'm sketchy about grounding a pc's output to another system myself, since PC's irritatingly ground digital with chassis :-X |
| 03:51.43 | joe_bleau | The two wire hack gets you inversion, but since you're not crossing zero, the PC input receiver may ignore it |
| 03:51.48 | sorphin | i dont' remember this crap from college |
| 03:51.52 | joe_bleau | Then float one end. |
| 03:52.00 | joe_bleau | What's your CPCI power supply look like? |
| 03:52.19 | sorphin | a 48v in, normal voltages out |
| 03:52.24 | jbevren | sorphin: Do this; power the thing down, measure rs232 ground against chassis (impedance) |
| 03:52.30 | jbevren | mine is isolated, so it'd be ok |
| 03:52.37 | sorphin | jbevren: mine's set isolated too |
| 03:52.41 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:52.42 | jbevren | go for it |
| 03:52.46 | sorphin | or you mean my peecee |
| 03:52.50 | jbevren | naw |
| 03:52.54 | jbevren | if at least one is isolated your ok |
| 03:52.57 | joe_bleau | Do you have anything else connected that would ground it? |
| 03:52.58 | jbevren | youRE |
| 03:53.03 | joe_bleau | (Monitor?) |
| 03:53.09 | sorphin | no |
| 03:53.11 | jbevren | nod.. kvm should be off |
| 03:53.16 | sorphin | kvm isn't hooked up |
| 03:53.21 | jbevren | green light :P |
| 03:53.23 | sorphin | this one doesn't ahve an hd15 hooked up yet |
| 03:53.32 | joe_bleau | Off isn't good enough, you want physical disconnection |
| 03:53.37 | sorphin | that's what i meant |
| 03:53.37 | jbevren | joe_bleau: thats what I meant |
| 03:53.38 | joe_bleau | (Just in case the shields fight ouy) |
| 03:53.49 | sorphin | jbevren: :) |
| 03:53.59 | sorphin | jbevren: group trip of file |
| 03:54.28 | sorphin | boston creme |
| 03:54.31 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:54.34 | jbevren | holy. |
| 03:54.39 | file | you two have lost it |
| 03:54.40 | jbevren | that disk box is 860 bux |
| 03:54.43 | file | I suggest you find it |
| 03:54.51 | sorphin | file: this coming from you |
| 03:54.57 | sorphin | the boy who dreams in IAX and SIP |
| 03:55.10 | sorphin | :P |
| 03:55.11 | file | ha |
| 03:55.11 | file | I dream in code |
| 03:55.30 | sorphin | file: you're not in the matrix, you're in the asterisk :P |
| 03:55.50 | file | ha |
| 03:56.05 | file | I'm migrating some content from one of my servers to another... |
| 03:56.07 | file | moving servers |
| 03:56.12 | file | 'tis fun |
| 04:00.08 | sorphin | cpci gnd to pc rx |
| 04:00.12 | sorphin | cpci tx to pc gnd |
| 04:00.26 | sorphin | jbevren: sound good? :P |
| 04:00.37 | jbevren | that'll get you an inverted signal |
| 04:00.39 | jbevren | ahh for rs422 |
| 04:00.45 | jbevren | one can only dream :) |
| 04:00.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:00.54 | jbevren | it'd be easier if you had a macintosh ;-) |
| 04:01.00 | jbevren | they have rx+ and rx- :P |
| 04:01.03 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:01.09 | sorphin | here goes nothing :P |
| 04:01.13 | joe_bleau | Some SGIs will do '422 |
| 04:01.13 | jbevren | which is why one's on my bench :) |
| 04:01.16 | jbevren | ah |
| 04:01.19 | jbevren | indy for one |
| 04:01.25 | joe_bleau | Octane |
| 04:01.37 | jbevren | nod, but mode switching isnt supported in linux on the octane yet |
| 04:02.53 | sorphin | nothing |
| 04:02.54 | sorphin | nada |
| 04:03.03 | sorphin | ziltch |
| 04:03.04 | sorphin | zero |
| 04:03.14 | joe_bleau | Oh well. Sorry about the magic smoke release |
| 04:03.21 | sorphin | nope |
| 04:03.24 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:03.26 | sorphin | no magic smoke release |
| 04:03.32 | jbevren | naw, the cp604 can isolate digital and chassis grounds |
| 04:03.37 | sorphin | yep |
| 04:03.44 | jbevren | whereas most pc's cant |
| 04:04.01 | jbevren | sorphin: ground scope to pc and check rx line |
| 04:04.02 | jbevren | anything? |
| 04:04.04 | sorphin | cuz it's an industrial pc |
| 04:04.11 | joe_bleau | I just put a meter on my PC...no continuity between serial port ground and AC ground. Kinda surprised. |
| 04:04.17 | sorphin | uhh |
| 04:04.22 | jbevren | impressive |
| 04:04.24 | sorphin | jbevren: the scope isn't nearby atm :P |
| 04:04.30 | jbevren | sorphin: bah :) |
| 04:04.42 | jbevren | I need to get a cart for mine too |
| 04:04.59 | jbevren | I want to get/build a cart that holds both devices (scope, analyzer) |
| 04:05.06 | sorphin | jbevren: btw |
| 04:05.10 | sorphin | that card from gpsfan |
| 04:05.14 | jbevren | I pondered a 1630AD (which is an analyzer with scope) |
| 04:05.14 | sorphin | has 3 connectors on the board |
| 04:05.26 | jbevren | nod? |
| 04:05.31 | jbevren | thats probably the 64bit header |
| 04:05.35 | sorphin | cp604 has 2 :P |
| 04:05.37 | jbevren | does it fit on the other two? |
| 04:06.06 | sorphin | fit, yes |
| 04:06.08 | sorphin | work, dunno |
| 04:06.24 | jbevren | no on-card bios extension? |
| 04:06.36 | sorphin | i havent' even put it on |
| 04:06.40 | jbevren | ah |
| 04:11.25 | sorphin | oh well |
| 04:12.01 | sorphin | hmm |
| 04:12.14 | sorphin | bsd's not comin up now |
| 04:12.25 | sorphin | ethernet led's blinkin away tho |
| 04:12.57 | joe_bleau | Sounds like the magic smoke got loose |
| 04:13.09 | sorphin | doubtful |
| 04:14.08 | sorphin | the few times i've let the smoke out, i've known it |
| 04:14.14 | sorphin | visibly |
| 04:14.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:16.13 | sorphin | turned on the video before i did this so when i get more hd15 connectors tomorrow i'll see |
| 04:16.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:24.26 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: have fun with ground not always meaning ground |
| 04:24.49 | MonMotha | on a DDR machine, ground (which includes logic ground and chassis ground) is ~3Vac from earth ground |
| 04:24.55 | sorphin | pc's port is fine |
| 04:25.03 | sorphin | not sure now about the cp604s |
| 04:25.16 | joe_bleau | Why 3V? |
| 04:26.21 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: I have no clue..but that's what it is |
| 04:26.31 | MonMotha | and this isn't just a "it floats to that, but if you tie it to earth ground it'll work" |
| 04:26.36 | MonMotha | you can draw some serious current from that sucker |
| 04:26.39 | joe_bleau | Oh, so it's not by design? |
| 04:26.52 | sorphin | joe_bleau: not listening to you anymore now :P thanks a lot |
| 04:26.55 | joe_bleau | Sounds like maybe voltage drop across a cable? |
| 04:26.55 | MonMotha | I haphazardly clipped my scope ground lead onto it without thinking to check first and the machine promptly shut off |
| 04:27.10 | MonMotha | I don't know where... |
| 04:27.28 | MonMotha | this is all over the machine. They were very careful to ground all metal surfaces, but ground isn't ground |
| 04:27.46 | MonMotha | the power supply just must do strange things |
| 04:27.49 | sorphin | whew |
| 04:27.50 | sorphin | it booted |
| 04:27.53 | MonMotha | we have speculated that it must be "metric ground" since it is japanese |
| 04:27.53 | sorphin | just took a while |
| 04:27.57 | sorphin | so the box isn't dead |
| 04:28.00 | sorphin | thank god |
| 04:28.06 | joe_bleau | Maybe be. But what do I know, I just managed to smoke a CPCI machine remotely! |
| 04:28.13 | sorphin | joe_bleau: nope |
| 04:28.22 | MonMotha | oddly enough, it takes a 3 prong AC plug, so it has the safety ground. Just isn't apparently making use of it |
| 04:28.24 | sorphin | maybe a port in the FDC controller |
| 04:28.28 | sorphin | but the box is fine |
| 04:28.30 | sorphin | finally came up |
| 04:28.32 | joe_bleau | Maybe I just killed the serial output driver |
| 04:28.51 | joe_bleau | Grounding can be so freaky. |
| 04:29.04 | sorphin | didnt' kill the pc's port atleast :P |
| 04:29.09 | joe_bleau | One of my problems at work is that sometimes people weld on our equipment |
| 04:29.33 | joe_bleau | If they leave the ground clamp off it gets ugly fast. |
| 04:29.38 | sorphin | ha |
| 04:29.39 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:29.49 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: well, I've known systems where the chassis will float to some crazy things (like 60Vac!) if you don't ground them, but usually you don't get much current before it drops all the way to what you hook it up to, so you can just ground the whole thing out to earth |
| 04:29.49 | joe_bleau | Our electronics isn't really designed to pass 200A through the ground system. |
| 04:30.00 | sorphin | mmmm 200A arcs |
| 04:30.06 | joe_bleau | Sure, capacitive coupling causes it to drift around |
| 04:30.14 | MonMotha | heh, you should see the ground system in our ham shack here...serious business |
| 04:30.34 | MonMotha | yeah, well, the DDR machine you can draw enough juice from the chassis to earth to shut the power supply down due to overload |
| 04:30.34 | sorphin | joe_bleau: you want a "shocker" |
| 04:30.45 | sorphin | joe_bleau: here at my house, changed a fixture in the foyer |
| 04:30.52 | sorphin | i got a tingle off NEUTRAL |
| 04:31.31 | sorphin | i so need to replace this damn panel |
| 04:31.39 | sorphin | have a nice new 200A service just waitng to be put in |
| 04:31.52 | sorphin | but this fscking meter will tell on me if i pull it |
| 04:32.05 | joe_bleau | We recently put in 2 phase service at work |
| 04:32.09 | joe_bleau | 2->3 |
| 04:32.15 | joe_bleau | That was a lot of fun. |
| 04:32.21 | sorphin | oh yeah |
| 04:32.25 | sorphin | 3 phase |
| 04:32.28 | sorphin | zap |
| 04:32.31 | sorphin | zap |
| 04:32.32 | MonMotha | 3 phase is fun stuff |
| 04:32.32 | sorphin | zap |
| 04:32.34 | sorphin | doh |
| 04:32.38 | joe_bleau | I wasn't expecting a 400A disconnect to be so freakin' large |
| 04:32.42 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 04:32.52 | MonMotha | most of the power here at Rose is 3 phase. Makes getting 240 kinda difficult |
| 04:33.00 | MonMotha | it's all 120 3 phase, so you get 208, not 240 |
| 04:33.07 | joe_bleau | Ended up buying most of the stuff off eBay, which didn't please our electrician |
| 04:33.13 | sorphin | ha |
| 04:33.14 | joe_bleau | Yeah, same here. |
| 04:33.24 | joe_bleau | Haven't had a problem with running 208 |
| 04:33.29 | sorphin | uh |
| 04:33.32 | sorphin | how you figure? |
| 04:33.36 | sorphin | 120+120 = 240 |
| 04:33.43 | joe_bleau | The big win was the lighting...277, no dry transformer needed. |
| 04:33.52 | joe_bleau | sorphin needs to study phasors... |
| 04:34.00 | MonMotha | sorphin: there's a sqrt(3) looming in there |
| 04:34.30 | MonMotha | they're 120rms, but 120deg out of phase |
| 04:34.31 | sorphin | joe_bleau: hey i may be an EE but it's only been8 years since school :P and then some |
| 04:34.34 | sorphin | ah |
| 04:34.38 | sorphin | 120 deg |
| 04:34.50 | sorphin | gotcha now |
| 04:34.52 | MonMotha | so if you add them, the peaks don't line up |
| 04:34.58 | sorphin | i understand now |
| 04:35.02 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 04:35.05 | sorphin | i forgot 3 phase was 120 deg |
| 04:35.07 | sorphin | not 180 |
| 04:35.18 | MonMotha | yup, kinda hard to do 3 phase w/ 180 :) |
| 04:35.42 | sorphin | well, i generally do single phase or High Voltage |
| 04:35.42 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:35.52 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.03 | sorphin | mmmmm 50kV |
| 04:36.09 | joe_bleau | What for? |
| 04:36.33 | sorphin | joe_bleau: fun |
| 04:36.36 | sorphin | mostly |
| 04:36.57 | MonMotha | The HV in the amp I rebuilt is 2400 or so, but that's not near 10kV+ |
| 04:36.59 | sorphin | joe_bleau: what's amusing is house current scares me more than 100kV |
| 04:37.01 | joe_bleau | Roommate back in college scored a HV supply. Had those goofy BNC style connectors (HV?) |
| 04:37.09 | joe_bleau | Probably 20, 30kV. |
| 04:37.13 | sorphin | cuz |
| 04:37.14 | sorphin | HV |
| 04:37.19 | joe_bleau | I begged him never to turn in on. |
| 04:37.20 | sorphin | will just zap you |
| 04:37.25 | sorphin | 30A| |
| 04:37.28 | sorphin | will burn you |
| 04:37.31 | sorphin | or throw you |
| 04:37.41 | MonMotha | well, HV at house currents will kill you just as bad as the electrical wall will, and quite probably worse |
| 04:37.46 | MonMotha | but most HV supplies don't source much juice |
| 04:37.50 | sorphin | exactly |
| 04:37.58 | sorphin | i'm usually in the milliamps |
| 04:38.01 | MonMotha | you can get thrown off 25kV |
| 04:38.04 | joe_bleau | Doesn't take a very big cap to source enought to kill you |
| 04:38.15 | joe_bleau | What, 30mA arm-arm to stop the heart? |
| 04:38.23 | sorphin | joe_bleau: heh, one arm behind your back |
| 04:38.28 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:38.32 | MonMotha | I know a guy who worked on a CRT w/o knowing what to do. He said "I woke up 10 feet from where I was, with the screwdriver embedded in the while behind me" |
| 04:38.41 | sorphin | haha |
| 04:38.49 | MonMotha | ah yes, the 1st rule of electrical work: "Thou shalt keep thy left hand in thy back pocket" |
| 04:38.49 | joe_bleau | This supply was ~100lbs. It could source at least 100 mA |
| 04:38.54 | sorphin | MonMotha: one time back in our old apts |
| 04:39.02 | sorphin | had to maintenace guy |
| 04:39.11 | sorphin | had to change a cap in the Air conn |
| 04:39.11 | jbevren | I nearly broke a bone in my right hand thanks to a tv |
| 04:39.18 | sorphin | screwdriver across the terminals |
| 04:39.21 | sorphin | *POP* |
| 04:39.22 | jbevren | I did break the tv's enclosure |
| 04:39.36 | jbevren | sorphin: no more screwdriver? :) |
| 04:39.43 | sorphin | jbevren: no, it survived fine |
| 04:39.43 | MonMotha | discharging caps with a screwdriver isn't usually a good idea |
| 04:39.47 | jbevren | oil filled caps (typical for startup caps) shouldnt be hard shorted |
| 04:39.48 | sorphin | just really loud |
| 04:39.48 | joe_bleau | I always wanted to build a HV spark gap, to do the high speed stop motion EG&G style photography |
| 04:39.52 | jbevren | they tend to blow up |
| 04:39.56 | jbevren | anyway |
| 04:39.59 | jbevren | sleep for real |
| 04:40.03 | sorphin | jbevren: liar ;) |
| 04:40.07 | jbevren | click :P |
| 04:40.12 | sorphin | boom |
| 04:40.32 | sorphin | joe_bleau: mmm jacobs ladder |
| 04:40.56 | joe_bleau | No, think us duration pulses of light |
| 04:43.02 | sorphin | nah |
| 04:43.05 | sorphin | ozone :P |
| 04:43.41 | joe_bleau | I kind of like that smell, at least in small doses. |
| 04:44.30 | sorphin | hehe |
| 04:44.30 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:44.40 | sorphin | just like after a nice lightening storm |
| 04:45.40 | sorphin | ok |
| 04:45.45 | sorphin | so say i'm gonna scope this port |
| 04:45.52 | sorphin | what should i look for (since it's ttl) |
| 04:46.08 | joe_bleau | TTL UART output will idle high (5V, 3V, whatever) |
| 04:46.15 | joe_bleau | When active, it will go to ground. |
| 04:46.31 | sorphin | k |
| 04:46.45 | joe_bleau | '232 is inverted and shifted. Idle < 0V, active >0V. |
| 04:47.03 | sorphin | i've seen 5v and 12v |
| 04:47.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:47.06 | joe_bleau | I think spec is <-2V and >2V, but you'll probably see -5 to -15V and 5 to +15V |
| 04:47.16 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:47.43 | joe_bleau | Can you make it tx continuously? |
| 04:48.00 | joe_bleau | If so, you could trigger and maybe measure the bit width to determine baud rate |
| 04:48.39 | sorphin | i could constantly echo something to the port |
| 04:48.55 | joe_bleau | Can you control the TX line? |
| 04:49.32 | sorphin | uhh |
| 04:49.44 | joe_bleau | Oh, something else: scope out the PC output with a known signal. You know it will be '232, and you can set the baud rate. |
| 04:49.56 | joe_bleau | That would give you a known signal to compare against. |
| 04:53.02 | sorphin | i can't "control" the tx line, no, i can just shove data out it |
| 04:53.36 | joe_bleau | Sorry, that's what I meant. |
| 04:53.41 | joe_bleau | Do you get to pick the data? |
| 04:53.51 | joe_bleau | Same byte over and over would be nice. |
| 04:54.48 | joe_bleau | You'd then be able to get a stable trace and time the bits |
| 04:55.14 | sorphin | yes i do |
| 04:56.03 | joe_bleau | '@' is 0x40...that might be a good choice. |
| 04:56.19 | joe_bleau | One bit different in the middle of several bits, easy to pick out visually? |
| 04:58.08 | sorphin | echoing a stream of 'a' |
| 04:59.09 | sorphin | joe_bleau: ok |
| 04:59.19 | sorphin | i echo'd the 'a' tons of times |
| 04:59.24 | sorphin | the output i saw on the scope on tx |
| 04:59.43 | sorphin | was _---_-_-_ |
| 04:59.46 | sorphin | repeated |
| 05:00.33 | joe_bleau | With no tranmission, is the line 5V, 0V, or something else? |
| 05:00.46 | joe_bleau | (You could even check that with a meter) |
| 05:01.19 | sorphin | 0v |
| 05:01.26 | sorphin | tx'ing the squares are 5v |
| 05:01.33 | joe_bleau | Hmmm. |
| 05:01.49 | joe_bleau | Doesn't sound like ttl |
| 05:01.57 | sorphin | well the manual says ttl |
| 05:01.59 | sorphin | *shrug* |
| 05:02.01 | joe_bleau | Doesn't sound like 232 |
| 05:02.05 | joe_bleau | The idle state is wrong |
| 05:02.49 | sorphin | well ,they're ttl ports |
| 05:03.14 | joe_bleau | IrDA mode? |
| 05:03.59 | joe_bleau | I know, it's a stretch, but I *think* (not sure) that IrDA mode would idle at 0V |
| 05:05.27 | sorphin | no |
| 05:05.31 | sorphin | not irda mode |
| 05:05.52 | joe_bleau | Got the trace inverted on the 'scope? |
| 05:06.03 | sorphin | anyways, the full width of the _---_-_-_ from + slope to - slope |
| 05:06.08 | sorphin | is 666uS |
| 05:06.12 | sorphin | lovely # |
| 05:06.14 | sorphin | no |
| 05:06.22 | sorphin | crap |
| 05:06.23 | sorphin | yes |
| 05:06.37 | sorphin | guess invert got pushed when i packed it back up |
| 05:06.38 | sorphin | d'oh |
| 05:06.39 | joe_bleau | Really? ;-) |
| 05:06.46 | joe_bleau | Told you it wasn't TTL! |
| 05:07.19 | joe_bleau | Try the '@' output and measure the width of the middle blip in the char |
| 05:07.25 | joe_bleau | (With invert off, please...) |
| 05:07.58 | sorphin | no change tho |
| 05:08.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:08.08 | sorphin | ok i'll try @ |
| 05:08.46 | joe_bleau | Don't make me power up my scope and try this too... |
| 05:10.13 | sorphin | ok |
| 05:10.16 | sorphin | i'm echoing @ |
| 05:10.25 | joe_bleau | 666us sounds like 14.4k baud, but that seems like an odd rate |
| 05:11.06 | joe_bleau | If it's ttl, the center bit should be high, I think. |
| 05:11.10 | sorphin | ok |
| 05:11.28 | sorphin | ______-_-___________-_-__________-_-_ |
| 05:11.34 | sorphin | not precise |
| 05:11.37 | sorphin | but that's bout what it looks like |
| 05:11.47 | sorphin | even spacing between 2 short squares |
| 05:12.13 | sorphin | idle at +5v |
| 05:12.21 | sorphin | when tx'ing the above |
| 05:12.27 | joe_bleau | One is the start bit, the other is the data bit |
| 05:12.32 | joe_bleau | How wide? |
| 05:12.38 | sorphin | which to i measure |
| 05:12.43 | sorphin | do |
| 05:12.53 | joe_bleau | One of the short positive pulses. |
| 05:13.09 | sorphin | from start to start? |
| 05:13.16 | joe_bleau | pulsewidth. |
| 05:13.18 | sorphin | that line btw is 0v |
| 05:13.22 | joe_bleau | Rising edge to falling edge |
| 05:13.24 | sorphin | no negative swing |
| 05:13.29 | sorphin | ok |
| 05:13.31 | joe_bleau | Yep, that's TTL. |
| 05:13.37 | joe_bleau | pulsewidth should tell us baud rate |
| 05:13.39 | sorphin | told ya it's ttl :P |
| 05:13.40 | sorphin | ok |
| 05:13.41 | sorphin | 1 sec |
| 05:14.33 | sorphin | round 109uS ? |
| 05:14.48 | sorphin | my scope never shows the rise and fall lines on squares |
| 05:14.54 | sorphin | only tops and bottoms |
| 05:14.55 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:15.02 | MonMotha | if you crank the horizontal it'll show it |
| 05:15.18 | joe_bleau | Sounds like 9600 baud |
| 05:15.23 | MonMotha | the rise time is large enough that it doesn't have time to excite the phosphors |
| 05:15.38 | sorphin | i think i need to adjust the astig |
| 05:15.39 | joe_bleau | 104uS/bit at 9600 |
| 05:15.43 | sorphin | focus isn't sharp enough |
| 05:15.48 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:15.55 | sorphin | as it should be |
| 05:16.01 | sorphin | since this is 9600 baud |
| 05:16.10 | joe_bleau | The older scopes were sharper. Think it's the CRT |
| 05:16.17 | sorphin | anyways |
| 05:16.20 | sorphin | so the ports not dead |
| 05:16.22 | sorphin | thank god :P |
| 05:16.38 | joe_bleau | I wasn't worried. Not a bit. |
| 05:16.42 | sorphin | uh huh |
| 05:16.49 | MonMotha | my scope isn't all that sharp |
| 05:16.54 | MonMotha | though it may need some work |
| 05:17.08 | sorphin | <joe_bleau> Oh well. Sorry about the magic smoke release |
| 05:17.11 | sorphin | :P |
| 05:17.14 | MonMotha | it got banged around in a student lab for like 10 years after being worked on last |
| 05:17.32 | sorphin | well, i have the svc manual for this puppy |
| 05:17.33 | sorphin | so.. |
| 05:17.34 | joe_bleau | Night is still young. You've still got time to let it loose. |
| 05:17.41 | sorphin | joe_bleau: not quite |
| 05:19.12 | sorphin | this does suck tho |
| 05:19.15 | sorphin | cuz there's so little room |
| 05:19.26 | MonMotha | if it's giving you TTL levels, there's probably no level shifter |
| 05:19.40 | sorphin | MonMotha: right, these ports give ttl |
| 05:19.46 | sorphin | the ports on the front are shifted |
| 05:20.03 | sorphin | this is going to where the RIO goes, which has it's own on it |
| 05:20.19 | joe_bleau | Are you wanting to reroute the RIO port to the front panel? |
| 05:20.25 | MonMotha | ah, ok |
| 05:20.28 | sorphin | that's what i'm doing |
| 05:20.31 | sorphin | since com1 and com2 |
| 05:20.35 | sorphin | use that crappy uart |
| 05:20.35 | joe_bleau | Lift pins at the max202, then blue wire it? |
| 05:20.41 | sorphin | com3 and 4 |
| 05:20.48 | sorphin | use the FDC's serial ports |
| 05:20.53 | sorphin | so they're gonna be well supported |
| 05:22.56 | sorphin | ok, this isn't fun |
| 05:23.10 | sorphin | none of the chips are obvious |
| 05:23.43 | joe_bleau | Sounds like a clock chip |
| 05:23.59 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:25.10 | sorphin | i hate small surface mount chips |
| 05:25.38 | sorphin | ha ha |
| 05:25.40 | sorphin | ADM211 |
| 05:25.59 | sorphin | ADM211 - 0.1 µF, +5V CMOS RS-232 200kBPS Transceiver with 4 Drivers, 5 Receivers |
| 05:26.02 | joe_bleau | Soudnd likely |
| 05:26.35 | sorphin | and |
| 05:26.38 | sorphin | a max3089 |
| 05:26.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:26.53 | sorphin | great |
| 05:27.49 | sorphin | both are tranceivers |
| 05:30.21 | joe_bleau | Then you're all set. Just got to break out the iron and melt some solder |
| 05:32.11 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:32.17 | sorphin | but i don't know which one goes for what :P |
| 05:32.32 | sorphin | don't need to break out the iron, just plug it back in :P |
| 05:33.01 | joe_bleau | Beep it out. You have the front panel available to you, just need to trace the lines back to a chip. |
| 05:33.21 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:33.23 | sorphin | good point |
| 05:34.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:34.27 | sorphin | that ADM goes to com1 |
| 05:34.49 | joe_bleau | Didn't take long. |
| 05:37.39 | sorphin | for the tsop version |
| 05:37.56 | joe_bleau | tsop? That's a little sucky. |
| 05:37.58 | sorphin | hmm |
| 05:38.05 | joe_bleau | SOIC would be so much easier to mod. |
| 05:38.11 | sorphin | R1in is tied to RX |
| 05:38.16 | sorphin | ok soic |
| 05:38.25 | sorphin | t1out is tied to tx |
| 05:38.44 | sorphin | so i wanna tie to... |
| 05:38.58 | sorphin | joe_bleau: http://www.analog.com/images/Product_Descriptions/98732144ADM211_pcl.gif |
| 05:39.28 | sorphin | com1 tx is on pin 1, com1 rx is on pin 9 |
| 05:39.50 | joe_bleau | pin 9! What kind of connector? DE9, DB25? |
| 05:40.16 | sorphin | nono |
| 05:40.20 | sorphin | pin 9 of that chip :P |
| 05:40.24 | sorphin | that link is the pinout |
| 05:40.28 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I've got the datasheet up now. |
| 05:40.41 | sorphin | i meant |
| 05:40.45 | joe_bleau | Take pin 8 to the RIO serial input line |
| 05:41.03 | sorphin | pin 8 to com3 rx |
| 05:41.15 | joe_bleau | pin 20? to com3 tx |
| 05:41.50 | joe_bleau | So, your com3 uart will transmit, connecting to pin 8 which is the ADM211 driver #3 input |
| 05:42.06 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 05:42.07 | joe_bleau | Driver #3 output on pin 1 then connects to the front panel DE9 |
| 05:42.37 | joe_bleau | But I thought you said tx driver #1, which is pins 7/2 on the '211 |
| 05:42.56 | sorphin | i told you wrong |
| 05:43.05 | sorphin | tx goes to pin 2 on the chip |
| 05:43.06 | sorphin | sorry |
| 05:43.13 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but your logic is still correct. |
| 05:43.31 | joe_bleau | Ok, then pin 7 to com3 tx |
| 05:43.38 | sorphin | ok |
| 05:43.47 | joe_bleau | And bob's your uncle. |
| 05:43.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:44.04 | joe_bleau | Got a good place to pick up the com3 signals? |
| 05:44.16 | sorphin | "Uncle Bob?" |
| 05:44.18 | joe_bleau | You must have, 'cause you were probing 'em with the scope, right? |
| 05:44.33 | sorphin | yeah, i'm wired to where the RIO connectors hit the board |
| 05:44.45 | sorphin | this'll be nicer |
| 05:44.51 | sorphin | 30awg vs 28awg ribbon :P |
| 05:45.02 | joe_bleau | http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bob1.htm |
| 05:45.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:45.46 | sorphin | and easier to run through the board holes |
| 05:45.48 | joe_bleau | Good thing this is hobby work, right? If you were paying by the hour, you could have purchased a new CPCI system by now... |
| 05:45.52 | sorphin | and i can reuse the com1 connector |
| 05:45.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:46.22 | joe_bleau | And how many hours? |
| 05:46.41 | sorphin | i don't go this crap for a living |
| 05:46.44 | sorphin | and i never would |
| 05:46.54 | joe_bleau | It's hard for me to think that way at work sometimes. |
| 05:46.58 | sorphin | i refuse to do something for a living that is fun |
| 05:47.01 | sorphin | otherwise |
| 05:47.07 | sorphin | i'll never wanna do it in my off time |
| 05:47.08 | joe_bleau | Forget your burn rate and spend time doing something you could buy. |
| 05:48.33 | joe_bleau | I gotta go anyway, cat/keyboard interference. |
| 05:48.40 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:48.43 | joe_bleau | Later, and good luck with the blue wire. |
| 05:48.51 | sorphin | that'll be easy :) |
| 05:48.52 | sorphin | tnx |
| 05:48.52 | sorphin | cya |
| 06:02.43 | MonMotha | ok, so I have this paper done. Now I need to beat LaTeX over the head until I've got all my eye-candy the way I want it |
| 06:03.25 | MonMotha | LaTeX is great for making nice, professional looking papers. The "do the eye candy my way" aspects of it are somewhat lacking, though. |
| 06:04.52 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.52 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.52 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.52 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.52 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.53 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.00 | MonMotha | that is way too funny |
| 07:13.25 | sorphin | awesome, the trick worked, com3 is now on com1's front panel port, and it gives tx and rx.. woo (ok, so i lied about sleeping) |
| 07:16.49 | sorphin | and since this is a console, i only need rx and tx, so time to hotglue down these wires and im done |
| 07:17.04 | MonMotha | sorphin: sleep is for the weak |
| 07:18.26 | sorphin | MonMotha: woo |
| 07:18.39 | sorphin | now just need to desolder Com2 and put an HD15 in it's place |
| 07:18.47 | sorphin | but since i have no hd15s |
| 07:18.52 | sorphin | that can wait till tonight |
| 07:18.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:19.12 | MonMotha | jeesh, Shadio Rack sells those (until the end of the year anyway) |
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| 12:45.00 | prpplague | egads, the water is off at the office this morning |
| 13:18.47 | sorphin | woo |
| 13:28.11 | jbevren | heh. theyre nighter :P |
| 13:28.20 | sorphin | i know |
| 13:28.25 | sorphin | but not that light tho :P |
| 13:28.28 | sorphin | we had 2 at AT&T |
| 13:28.48 | sorphin | ok |
| 13:28.56 | jbevren | my friend works at a printshop, their 120ppm laser printer uses a 11/34 for an imaging unit |
| 13:28.59 | sorphin | me drops a 3b2/1000 on jbevren's toe too |
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| 13:37.03 | prpplague | ~lart CosmicPenguin |
| 13:37.32 | CosmicPenguin | what did I do? |
| 13:37.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you exist! need there be more? |
| 13:37.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 13:38.03 | CosmicPenguin | I've already had an angry e-mail this morning pissed that I haven't yet put up geode patches for 2.6.14 |
| 13:38.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 13:38.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lovely |
| 13:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | I sleep ocassionally, you knw |
| 13:39.13 | file[laptop] | sleep? no! |
| 13:39.18 | CosmicPenguin | no crap |
| 13:39.36 | CosmicPenguin | file: so our people took your advice to heart - and asked me for recommendations about SLIC hardware that isn't flaky |
| 13:39.43 | CosmicPenguin | Know anybody I should ask? |
| 13:39.55 | file[laptop] | off the top of my head? no |
| 13:40.14 | CosmicPenguin | eww... I didn't want the top of your head |
| 13:40.18 | file[laptop] | I'll innocently ask my telecom engineering friends though |
| 13:40.37 | file[laptop] | that's ok, I have a spare |
| 13:41.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i love it when you work your ass of getting the code done, and then they ask why your code repo and patches aren't clean and uptodate |
| 13:43.12 | file[laptop] | I need to get out of bed I suppose |
| 13:44.01 | prpplague | file[laptop]: especially if your in your neighbours bed |
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| 13:44.12 | file[laptop] | fortunately I'm not |
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| 13:44.26 | Soopaman | (jbevren): that disk box is 860 bux |
| 13:44.28 | Soopaman | jbevren, where did you find the price? |
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| 13:49.30 | jbevren | um |
| 13:49.35 | jbevren | on the listing? |
| 13:50.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:51.11 | jbevren | not that its not worth 860 |
| 13:51.15 | jbevren | but I cant justify it :) |
| 13:51.24 | sorphin | jbevren: too costly for me, heh |
| 13:51.50 | jbevren | heh |
| 13:51.56 | jbevren | wee |
| 13:52.06 | jbevren | run robomail, get smacked |
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| 13:52.35 | sorphin | jbevren: got woken up by an attack from China Telecom (again), this time attacking ev1 (everyone's internet, in TX) |
| 13:52.46 | jbevren | I know who ev1 is |
| 13:52.50 | jbevren | theyre a sco supporter :) |
| 13:52.52 | CosmicPenguin | I want to say they deserve it |
| 13:53.00 | CosmicPenguin | But thats not nice - internet attacks are bad |
| 13:53.02 | prpplague | sorphin: fun |
| 13:53.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: but unfortunately, they're a paying customer |
| 13:53.10 | sorphin | so at 4am |
| 13:53.11 | jbevren | sorphin: just drop CT's routes |
| 13:53.12 | CosmicPenguin | damn customers |
| 13:53.14 | sorphin | i was awoken |
| 13:53.15 | CosmicPenguin | always get in our ways |
| 13:53.24 | jbevren | or ratelimit the country to 2Gbit |
| 13:53.25 | sorphin | least the attack was easy to block |
| 13:53.28 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 13:53.34 | sorphin | port 80 |
| 13:53.35 | sorphin | tcp |
| 13:53.37 | sorphin | to 1 hose |
| 13:53.39 | sorphin | host |
| 13:53.42 | sorphin | syn attack |
| 13:53.49 | sorphin | 40 byte packets |
| 13:53.52 | sorphin | predictable |
| 13:53.58 | jbevren | I think countries that repeatedly allow attacks should be dropped off the internet |
| 13:54.10 | jbevren | suspension for a couple days, per se :) |
| 13:54.21 | jbevren | maybe that'd encourage contries to do something about abuse |
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| 13:54.50 | sorphin | jbevren: CT never will |
| 13:54.55 | sorphin | we prod them |
| 13:54.59 | sorphin | they stop one |
| 13:55.00 | jbevren | then they can stay the f/ck offline. |
| 13:55.12 | sorphin | jbevren: unfortunately, $ talks |
| 13:55.19 | jbevren | CT is only second to AOL for spam sourcing |
| 13:55.21 | CosmicPenguin | nobody wants to piss off china |
| 13:55.43 | sorphin | jbevren: guess what, we've blocked them before, and the last huge attack we had, bulk came from them |
| 13:55.45 | sorphin | guess what |
| 13:55.56 | sorphin | some stupid company in california was bitching cuz they couldnt' get to china |
| 13:56.13 | jbevren | tell company in california to contact china regarding the attacks :) |
| 13:56.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:56.24 | sorphin | if only it were that simple |
| 13:56.30 | jbevren | "Hey, its not our fault, we're protecting our network" |
| 13:56.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: groove salad is a little rough around the edges this morning |
| 13:56.34 | sorphin | if we did that |
| 13:56.41 | sorphin | we'd wind up like Level3 :P |
| 13:56.47 | CosmicPenguin | no doubt |
| 13:56.51 | jbevren | hey. level3's a tier 1 isp |
| 13:56.52 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 13:56.57 | sorphin | jbevren: so are we |
| 13:57.03 | jbevren | tis a joke, son |
| 13:57.03 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:57.07 | sorphin | i meant financially shaken |
| 13:57.12 | sorphin | we're cash flow positive now |
| 13:57.22 | jbevren | cause you support abusers :P |
| 13:57.26 | sorphin | no |
| 13:57.31 | jbevren | ok I'll stop joking :) |
| 13:57.40 | sorphin | dont' make me pull out a log of people we've shut down :P |
| 13:57.42 | CosmicPenguin | He said AOL is the biggest abuser, are you recommending that they cut them off too? |
| 13:57.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:57.53 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: yes, please. |
| 13:57.58 | sorphin | jbevren: don't make me block you from Ebay :P |
| 13:58.03 | sorphin | they're one of our custs |
| 13:58.05 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: in the last 3 months, more than 95% of our fraud orders came from aol |
| 13:58.19 | jbevren | will aol help us stop it? nope. |
| 13:58.23 | jbevren | they like fraud. |
| 13:58.47 | sorphin | we've crucified phishers |
| 13:58.52 | sorphin | and handed them over to the feds |
| 14:01.10 | jbevren | haha you know what it is. You must since youre recommending it :) |
| 14:02.05 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe you need that shirt that says "Baaaaaaa means Noooooo" |
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| 14:09.18 | sorphin | jbevren: nope, i don't, i just assumed what it was.. people play on hotmail for that to try and get past moderators on hotornot (which i see 1st hand since i'm a moderator :P ) |
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| 14:19.23 | prpplague | andersee: how come the daily snapshots for buildroot have all of the .svn entries? |
| 14:19.40 | prpplague | andersee: kinda of a pain when i'm trying to import it into cvs |
| 14:30.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ugh, never realized keeping up a multi user cvs would take so much time |
| 14:50.12 | Soopaman | jbevren, i don't think it's worth that much either, but i desperately want to get my hands on one, minus any drives |
| 15:01.19 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:01.29 | jbevren | Soopaman: its a 2Gbit fibre box with 12 ide basy |
| 15:01.31 | jbevren | =bays |
| 15:02.02 | jbevren | it doesnt even really have to be a bay box.. I'd be happy with a standalone raid controller |
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| 15:02.18 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.20 | jbevren | I just know infortrends :) |
| 15:02.31 | jbevren | fishhead: no, that discharges too much. |
| 15:02.35 | fishhead | eh? |
| 15:02.38 | jbevren | fishhead: make sure you use antitstatic bags |
| 15:02.44 | fishhead | just for stationary storage |
| 15:02.46 | jbevren | if you use those, the container is moot |
| 15:02.50 | fishhead | till I get more bags |
| 15:03.03 | fishhead | that's all a pc case is |
| 15:03.06 | fishhead | a grounded metal box |
| 15:03.57 | jbevren | yes, but the cards arent stored against the metal. |
| 15:04.11 | fishhead | yeah they are kinda |
| 15:04.18 | jbevren | uh, no theyre not, not even kinda. |
| 15:04.24 | fishhead | the mb connects to the case thru metal pins and some tap that ground |
| 15:04.34 | fishhead | true it's not all over the board though |
| 15:04.36 | jbevren | yes. and the ground pins are grounded. the others are not. Not even kinda. |
| 15:04.39 | fishhead | else it wouldn't work ":P |
| 15:04.50 | jbevren | use antistatic bags :P |
| 15:04.52 | fishhead | then I guess I will just have to take my chances |
| 15:04.56 | jbevren | you can get em from computer shops, they normally have lots |
| 15:05.01 | fishhead | none around here |
| 15:05.03 | jbevren | then you can store em in a regular wood drawer |
| 15:05.06 | jbevren | sucks to be you :D |
| 15:05.11 | fishhead | oh? |
| 15:05.13 | fishhead | wood will work? |
| 15:05.20 | jbevren | use antistatic bags :P |
| 15:05.21 | jbevren | then you can store em in a regular wood drawer |
| 15:05.29 | fishhead | DUDE |
| 15:05.36 | fishhead | nm |
| 15:05.38 | fishhead | i give up |
| 15:05.46 | jbevren | the bags protect the cards. |
| 15:05.50 | fishhead | dude |
| 15:05.59 | fishhead | I know how fucking anti static bags work you git |
| 15:06.04 | fishhead | I been a tech for over 12 yrs |
| 15:06.07 | fishhead | ugh |
| 15:06.09 | jbevren | you sure dont act like it |
| 15:06.16 | jbevren | not knowing a metal box is unsafe |
| 15:06.18 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:06.27 | fishhead | I have plenty of people who disagree with you |
| 15:06.28 | fishhead | :) |
| 15:06.32 | *** mode/#elinux [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 15:06.36 | jbevren | have they studied power systems? |
| 15:06.39 | jbevren | electrical safety? |
| 15:06.43 | jbevren | esd discharge prevention protocol? |
| 15:06.51 | jbevren | probably not, nope, and what's that. |
| 15:06.57 | fishhead | several have yes |
| 15:07.04 | fishhead | man you are a cocky one aren't you |
| 15:07.11 | jbevren | naw, I'm just trolling ya |
| 15:07.18 | jbevren | I'm in tool mode today |
| 15:07.34 | jbevren | I know, cause Ive lost devices thinking metal containers are safe |
| 15:07.37 | fishhead | well that problem is resolved as of now |
| 15:08.06 | jbevren | sorphin: a few years bac, some tard handed me an amd 1800 without a strap (or without touching my hand first) |
| 15:08.14 | jbevren | it zapped him so hard he threw it |
| 15:08.21 | jbevren | needless to say, he killed a $300 cpu |
| 15:08.32 | jbevren | tried to blame it on me heh |
| 15:08.33 | sorphin | ha |
| 15:08.38 | jbevren | bs. i was the one with the strap on. :) |
| 15:08.42 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 15:08.51 | sorphin | we don't need to know about your sexual antics :P |
| 15:08.55 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:09.05 | sorphin | this is a "family channel" |
| 15:09.11 | jbevren | mm geek strap |
| 15:10.34 | fishhead | sorphin this is a "family channel" |
| 15:10.48 | fishhead | yeah if you like abusive and molestive family members |
| 15:11.10 | jbevren | fishhead: I'm not the one that openly swears after repeated repeated repeated warnings. |
| 15:11.29 | sorphin | jbevren: :) |
| 15:15.14 | andersee | prpplague: they have .svn entries because I find I helpful to have anon svn access for doing stuff like 'svn diff' and 'svn revert' when hacking on things |
| 15:15.31 | andersee | prpplague: if you don't like it, feel free to delete them |
| 15:15.33 | andersee | :-) |
| 15:16.48 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: you don't use quilt? :) |
| 15:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | quilt rules! |
| 15:21.59 | prpplague | andersee: hehe i did, hehe |
| 15:22.18 | prpplague | andersee: nothing major, it was just odd that the other apps on your site didn't have them |
| 15:23.06 | andersee | prpplague: all the snapshots have them |
| 15:23.39 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yup. I made my oen quilt sortof thing prior to the existance of quilt |
| 15:23.49 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: never got around to switching |
| 15:25.00 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:25.02 | CosmicPenguin | thats cool |
| 15:25.08 | CosmicPenguin | Quilt has changed my life |
| 15:25.12 | prpplague | andersee: ahh your right, i dl'd release for the others, just no release for buildroot was available |
| 15:25.14 | prpplague | andersee: my bad |
| 15:26.18 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... is there a sub mailing list for the kernel crypto subsystem? |
| 15:47.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh marc singer also sweats by quily |
| 15:47.26 | prpplague | quilt |
| 15:47.44 | kergoth | and rej is awesome, btw |
| 15:48.07 | kergoth | it takes a patch's .rej file, .orig, and the attempted application and calls a merge app |
| 15:48.12 | kergoth | vimdiff, meld, etc |
| 15:48.28 | kergoth | so you can do a nice 3 way merge to resolve the failed patch application |
| 15:49.08 | prpplague | kergoth: sounds pretty cool |
| 15:49.17 | prpplague | kergoth: had some of those lately with our legacy stuff |
| 15:49.25 | kergoth | and .. it comes with a wrapper for 'quilt push' |
| 15:49.37 | kergoth | which prompts you at each fuzzy application or reject |
| 15:49.42 | kergoth | asking you what you want to do about it |
| 15:49.50 | kergoth | including an option to spawn rej to resolve the issue |
| 15:49.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:54.15 | CosmicPenguin | rej? url? |
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| 15:57.19 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 16:02.42 | CosmicPenguin | heh - the dailywtf today |
| 16:02.48 | CosmicPenguin | I blame that sort of crap on C++ |
| 16:02.57 | CosmicPenguin | if everybody had to write a microkernel at some point in their life, these things wouldn't happen |
| 16:05.50 | sorphin | ah, finally updated |
| 16:15.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you talking about the milliseconds code? |
| 16:15.23 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 16:16.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe yea, i mean it works, but darn if it ain't complicated hehe |
| 16:29.05 | CosmicPenguin | This is why america has lost its way |
| 16:29.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: becuase they're not all using AMD chips? :) |
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| 16:30.28 | CosmicPenguin | stupid programming comes in all flavors |
| 16:30.52 | sorphin | i'll take strawberry |
| 16:31.06 | T`2 | moin class |
| 16:31.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:31.26 | T`2 | woot! friday :-) |
| 16:31.26 | sorphin | you have no class |
| 16:31.35 | kergoth | ~friday |
| 16:31.39 | ibot | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 16:31.39 | CosmicPenguin | guten tag Herr T`2 |
| 16:31.39 | kergoth | erm, actually |
| 16:31.40 | kergoth | ~today |
| 16:31.44 | ibot | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 16:31.44 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:32.12 | T`2 | kergoth, cmon man.. trying to use some virtual reason to make myself feel better and YOU take that away !! |
| 16:32.12 | T`2 | lol |
| 16:32.45 | kergoth | yes! by god, we can't be having anyone happy in here, damnit |
| 16:32.46 | kergoth | ;) |
| 16:33.01 | T`2 | haha |
| 16:33.04 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, morgen |
| 16:33.45 | kergoth | http://www.rpath.com/corp/about/employment/ |
| 16:33.56 | kergoth | heh, check out the list of qualifiations, then look at waht the company does |
| 16:34.48 | CosmicPenguin | Ewww.... |
| 16:35.06 | sorphin | um |
| 16:35.07 | sorphin | ok |
| 16:35.09 | sorphin | i don't get it |
| 16:35.22 | kergoth | its like oe. a python build infrastructure for building and maintaining custom linux distributions and branches to existing ones. |
| 16:35.25 | sorphin | course' i'm not awake enough to get much |
| 16:36.46 | T`2 | sorphin, some of the reqs. seem fitting.. no? |
| 16:37.11 | sorphin | T`: right, that's why i don't get what kergoth's on about |
| 16:37.19 | T`2 | though they should have had the reqs job title specific |
| 16:37.27 | kergoth | "on about"? |
| 16:37.35 | CosmicPenguin | God help anyone willing to live in North Carolina though |
| 16:37.45 | kergoth | i pasted a link to a job that fits the skills i gained while doing oe like a glove, if i decide to go that route |
| 16:37.47 | kergoth | thats all |
| 16:37.53 | kergoth | clearly you arent awake enough indeed. |
| 16:37.56 | kergoth | go get your coffee |
| 16:38.05 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: that would be the end of your OE days, though, I reckon |
| 16:38.13 | T`2 | haha |
| 16:38.14 | T`2 | kergoth, http://www.vmware.com/company/jobs/ |
| 16:38.17 | sorphin | kergoth: i thought you were trying to point out something wron w/ it |
| 16:38.20 | T`2 | kergoth, you should consider it.. its a really cool company |
| 16:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | vmware? |
| 16:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | hah |
| 16:38.42 | sorphin | kergoth: coffee won't help, my sleep cycle was interruppted by a work call at 4am |
| 16:38.46 | kergoth | T`2: yeah, i'm always telling chip and scanline how envious i am :) |
| 16:39.26 | kergoth | wow, thats a lot of openings. |
| 16:39.43 | T`2 | kergoth, well, why not just apply and get an interview |
| 16:39.44 | T`2 | kergoth, actually i'm sure i can get u an interview if you like |
| 16:39.47 | T`2 | yea ... we are kinda picky.. so haven't found too many good hires aparently |
| 16:39.47 | T`2 | thanks to google |
| 16:39.47 | T`2 | ;) |
| 16:40.13 | sorphin | we? heh, you work for vmware too? sheesh |
| 16:40.25 | T`2 | too? ;) |
| 16:40.39 | kergoth | honestly, i dont know if i'd be able to land any of the positions. i'm something of a generalist. i could do probably 5 or more of the jobs on that page, but probably wouldnt be as good a hire as others for any. |
| 16:40.47 | sorphin | i meant scanline and chip too |
| 16:40.49 | sorphin | forget it |
| 16:40.56 | sorphin | i'm gonna take a nap under my damn desk |
| 16:40.58 | kergoth | thinking maybe a smaller company would fit me better as a result |
| 16:41.16 | sorphin | kergoth: just stay on your meds :P |
| 16:42.00 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/files/Career/resume.pdf covers everything up to TI. doesnt cover the linux networky and general networky stuff i picked up at my current position yet |
| 16:42.39 | T`2 | kergoth, we are just growing... the culture is very much like a small company.. no heirarchy of management, etc.. |
| 16:43.16 | CosmicPenguin | Cept they're being outstripped by free projects |
| 16:43.25 | kergoth | not particularly. |
| 16:43.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: such as? |
| 16:43.38 | kergoth | also, i have no degree. it hasnt been much of a problem in the past, but when going for positions with a great deal of competition.. |
| 16:43.42 | CosmicPenguin | heck, I prefer using our inhouse system |
| 16:43.44 | CosmicPenguin | and it sucks! |
| 16:43.55 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, huh! make some real comments.. not crap you read on /. |
| 16:44.16 | sorphin | T`2: he can't it defiles his AMD programming |
| 16:44.19 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:44.22 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah well, call me when its useful |
| 16:44.38 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin is AMD Inside (tm) |
| 16:44.58 | sorphin | opteron based, hehe |
| 16:44.59 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, well, dont wanna waste a call ;) |
| 16:45.00 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - thats why I'm buggy, and you can't plug a USB 2.0 dongle into |
| 16:45.21 | CosmicPenguin | not that there are any holes in my body that I would appreciate you plugging a dongle into |
| 16:45.22 | T`2 | kergoth, i doubt degree matters if its expereince |
| 16:45.51 | T`2 | kergoth, as i said this company is a lot different from what you might ahve seen, you should prolly do an interview cuz its free (except a day or two in work tiime) |
| 16:46.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i've used vmware and i've used MS's thing, vmware does better.. as for free OSS stuff, i've not seen anything that even closely does it w/ any amount of speed. the only thing i have seen that has speed is rosetta, but that's not public yet |
| 16:47.12 | sorphin | bochs is a fast as peeign up a a hill in winter, aka, it's not |
| 16:47.14 | kergoth | vmware kicks uml's ass, which is pretty sad given how much less work the latter has to do |
| 16:47.42 | T`2 | sorphin, also remember, our bread and butter isn't workstation.. its our server products |
| 16:47.45 | T`2 | sorphin, which ofcourse has no competition yet and most are just ages away from doing anything like us |
| 16:47.47 | T`2 | vmware is a very OSS friendly company though.. |
| 16:47.59 | kergoth | libview :) |
| 16:48.08 | sorphin | and uml is just uml, for linux, and not to burst anyone's bubble, but there are other OS's out there :) |
| 16:48.27 | kergoth | the point was, uml is much much less general purpose, and _still_ cant perform at vmware's level, speed wise. |
| 16:48.30 | sorphin | T`: dont' tell me, tell mr amd over there |
| 16:48.31 | T`2 | kergoth, well, actually a lot of of our modules for linux are also OSS for server products (to comply with GPL) |
| 16:48.37 | sorphin | kergoth: right |
| 16:48.40 | file | VMware is slowly eating everyone... |
| 16:48.46 | kergoth | chomp chomp |
| 16:48.57 | T`2 | lol.. slowly? |
| 16:49.40 | file | blergh |
| 16:49.50 | T`2 | kergoth, you can do some low-level prog stuff, like hardware related things.. its probably close to your TI experience |
| 16:49.58 | CosmicPenguin | Well, all I know is that we make x86 processors (in case you haven't heard), and we ended up writing our own engine |
| 16:50.01 | kergoth | i can.. but i dont think i want to. |
| 16:50.03 | CosmicPenguin | make your own assumptions from that |
| 16:50.10 | kergoth | i wasnt very happy churning out drivers and stuff. |
| 16:50.48 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, i consider that a mistake by AMD |
| 16:50.53 | T`2 | but ofcourse other reasons might exist like IP which you guys wanna have, etc. |
| 16:50.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: wait.. you make x86 processors? wow, learn something new every day.. thoguht you just made shiney rocks (Geodes), and things that end in -on (Opteron, Athlon, Sempron) |
| 16:51.02 | T`2 | business reasons than practical ones |
| 16:51.30 | CosmicPenguin | T`2: of course you do - luckily we don't really care what you think |
| 16:51.54 | sorphin | oh, now it sounds like it's getting personal |
| 16:52.04 | T`2 | haha.. didn't really think it would matter what i think.. |
| 16:52.11 | sorphin | CP is now the Authorized AMD Spokesman :P |
| 16:52.33 | CosmicPenguin | Because I need to write code based on real life, not just what you read in the Indespensable Hardware PC Book, Volume 4 |
| 16:53.08 | CosmicPenguin | And in fact, thats what I'm going to go do right now - these multi-purpose timers aren't going to model themselves, you know |
| 16:53.27 | file | write an AI engine and they will |
| 16:53.29 | sorphin | so wait, you make cpus, but you don't use those cpus, you need a virtual environment |
| 16:53.39 | sorphin | taht makes perfect sense... not |
| 16:53.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you do know we make new products, right? |
| 16:53.52 | kergoth | new products you dont get silicon for quite some time. |
| 16:54.01 | kergoth | there's generally both simulation and emulation until then |
| 16:54.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:54.31 | sorphin | must be 20 years off then |
| 16:54.35 | CosmicPenguin | Business usually works better when you produce something ... :) |
| 16:54.42 | sorphin | cuz i've not seen anything but CPUS and flash come outta AMD's door |
| 16:55.02 | kergoth | uhh |
| 16:55.09 | sorphin | and the occasional chipset |
| 16:55.16 | sorphin | kergoth: before you start chris |
| 16:55.17 | kergoth | those environments are used to facilitate development before silicon is available |
| 16:55.24 | kergoth | they arent going to be released. |
| 16:55.26 | kergoth | TI does the same thing for OMAP |
| 16:55.42 | sorphin | kergoth: i said *I* *have* *not* *seen* |
| 16:55.54 | sorphin | so before you tell me my head is somewhere again |
| 16:55.54 | sorphin | don't |
| 16:56.11 | kergoth | *and* *you* *wouldnt* |
| 16:56.25 | sorphin | development of WHAT? |
| 16:56.28 | sorphin | more cpus? :P |
| 16:56.37 | kergoth | operating systems for the new cpus? bootloader? |
| 16:56.42 | sorphin | uh |
| 16:56.43 | kergoth | software doesnt write itself. |
| 16:56.59 | sorphin | yeah, x86 really has changed, other than becomeing 64 bit |
| 16:57.01 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:57.13 | prpplague | sorphin: lot more involved that just the core |
| 16:57.17 | sorphin | anyways |
| 16:57.18 | kergoth | whatever. come back when you're gonna say something with clue |
| 16:57.28 | sorphin | kergoth: and just foad, ok? |
| 16:57.37 | kergoth | nah, but thanks anyway. |
| 16:57.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you do know that the geode is a SOC right? we've got a whole northbridge and southbridge on the same die |
| 16:57.57 | kergoth | now myself, i dont like like spouting comments about things i dont know |
| 16:58.01 | kergoth | i like to know what i'm talking about |
| 16:58.03 | sorphin | kergoth: oh right |
| 16:58.04 | kergoth | but thats just me, clearly |
| 16:58.08 | sorphin | you NEVER have |
| 16:58.32 | kergoth | thank god for /ignore |
| 16:58.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, i know the origins of the geode |
| 16:59.19 | sorphin | anyways |
| 16:59.38 | kergoth | admittedly, its always entertaining when the channel proves sorphin's silly comments wrong |
| 16:59.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so you must assume that at some point, our new silicon is going to have a block that doesn't exist on previous silicon - we use the simulators to write the code for that |
| 16:59.45 | kergoth | but the signal to noise ratio there is just too low |
| 17:00.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i guess |
| 17:00.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ok i see your point |
| 17:01.42 | sorphin | btw, anyone want a zaurus? barely used, heh |
| 17:02.51 | T`2 | cmon ladies.. cool our |
| 17:02.52 | T`2 | out |
| 17:02.58 | sorphin | already over |
| 17:03.34 | kergoth | and i wonder what made sorphin think i'm no longer a condescending ass |
| 17:03.37 | kergoth | i dont remember ever claiming otherwise |
| 17:03.38 | kergoth | ;) |
| 17:04.22 | T`2 | oh man.. fishhead list! |
| 17:04.41 | sorphin | anyways |
| 17:04.45 | sorphin | back to things that matter |
| 17:05.05 | T`2 | haha.. its all good.. i'm sure no one is trying hard to get personal |
| 17:07.07 | T`2 | hmm ? |
| 17:07.09 | sorphin | actually, ya know what.. i have 1 person's email address, and anothers IM, i don't even need to be in here. |
| 17:07.11 | sorphin | ciao |
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| 17:12.18 | prpplague | anyone have a psone? |
| 17:12.28 | kergoth | whats that? |
| 17:12.44 | prpplague | playstation one |
| 17:12.48 | CosmicPenguin | actually, I might |
| 17:12.49 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:12.52 | CosmicPenguin | nah, I think I dumped it |
| 17:13.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've got a controler for one here that i'm not sure is broken |
| 17:13.42 | T`2 | prpplague, found a few psone stuff at weirdstuff last week |
| 17:13.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: one of the thumb joysticks seems to have a locking position |
| 17:13.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that normal for the controler? |
| 17:14.04 | prpplague | T`2: weirdstuff? |
| 17:14.05 | T`2 | prpplague, they have a lot of legacy stuff.. www.weirdstuff.com |
| 17:14.32 | T`2 | its just a shop in mountain view area with lots of used computer stuff.. real cheap |
| 17:14.41 | T`2 | i think they have some stuff on their website, but i usually go to their warehouse |
| 17:14.53 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:17.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no |
| 17:30.45 | CosmicPenguin | Nice - my tech bench is ready to be installed |
| 17:31.17 | jbevren | grr |
| 17:31.19 | jbevren | you have a bench |
| 17:31.21 | jbevren | I dont yet :P |
| 17:31.22 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:31.33 | jbevren | I should take measures and go to the lumber store tonight :P |
| 17:31.49 | T`2 | jbevren, ikea 15% off this weekend :-) |
| 17:31.51 | jbevren | get me a saw, some 2x4's, lots of MDF.. :) |
| 17:32.09 | jbevren | t2: ikea's too far away, and sells will-bend-in-a-month crapboard furniture |
| 17:32.15 | jbevren | I wont buy trash. |
| 17:32.21 | T`2 | hehe |
| 17:32.52 | jbevren | I want furniture that'll look just as crappy 5 years from now as when i bought/built it.. not furniture that looks worse. |
| 17:34.04 | T`2 | yea, i'm just in it cuz its cheap and easy to fit.. not into wood work myself |
| 17:34.15 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:34.22 | T`2 | and i live in an apt. makes things easy when i move as ikea stuff is easy to disassemble.. but i agree all their stuff is crap |
| 17:34.24 | jbevren | I just cut things up and hang it on 2x4 framework :) |
| 17:34.32 | T`2 | made out of wood pulp with fake wood color'ed paper over it |
| 17:34.33 | jbevren | stove bolts are easy to remove :P |
| 17:34.52 | T`2 | whats a 2x4 ? |
| 17:35.02 | jbevren | the same thing that holds your cieling up |
| 17:35.15 | jbevren | a bar of wood about 2x4 inches in size, of varying lengths |
| 17:35.29 | jbevren | 2x4's and 2x6's are used for wall framing |
| 17:35.30 | T`2 | aah |
| 17:35.36 | jbevren | 2x12's are used for floor support |
| 17:36.29 | T`2 | heh ok |
| 17:48.35 | prpplague | later folks |
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| 19:34.42 | file[laptop] | kergoth: status of work? |
| 21:35.46 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
| 22:05.57 | CosmicPenguin | everything sucks |
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| 22:29.33 | CosmicPenguin | must...not...quit |
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| 23:39.54 | CosmicPenguin | screw you guys, I'm going home |
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