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| 15:59.41 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:27.06 | bebra | hello! |
| 16:27.15 | bebra | I've a problem with buildroot |
| 16:27.48 | bebra | i get this error: cannot find -lm |
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| 17:44.29 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 18:06.32 | joe_bleau | What's this prplague out on a weekend? |
| 18:07.28 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 18:08.06 | prpplague | joe_bleau: came into the office to do some work, but i'm totally unmotivated |
| 18:08.11 | joe_bleau | Saw an ad for your company in one of the supply chain mags the other day |
| 18:08.20 | joe_bleau | Looks like they're in TX, so I guess you work remotely? |
| 18:09.31 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea |
| 18:09.44 | prpplague | joe_bleau: vtun connection |
| 18:10.20 | joe_bleau | Got my graphics client plus in friday, managed to accidentally blow away the app in one, tried to mount the mtd devices in the other and wrecked the existing app there too. |
| 18:10.42 | joe_bleau | Looks like they were used in a Nortel/quortech web payphone system |
| 18:11.12 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ahh cool, thats interesting |
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| 18:11.32 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i've seen those before at the miami airport |
| 18:11.54 | joe_bleau | Best part--those PCMCIA to smartmedia adapters we bought for the JB? |
| 18:12.01 | joe_bleau | And the SM to xD adapter? |
| 18:12.13 | prpplague | yea? |
| 18:12.19 | joe_bleau | They work with it, so I can load up a kernel and ramdisk and transfer stuff across to the GCP |
| 18:12.33 | joe_bleau | Sucky bootloader--it only copies from PCMCIA to flash. |
| 18:12.39 | joe_bleau | No serial, no TFTP, etc. |
| 18:12.43 | prpplague | ahh bummer |
| 18:13.05 | prpplague | joe_bleau: thats right i remember that loader, it was used on the unicom kiosks as well |
| 18:13.22 | joe_bleau | The board isn't fully populated, either. Not sure what all I'm missing, but suspect IrDA, CAN, and LCD Vee control. Maybe other stuff too. |
| 18:13.47 | joe_bleau | I guess you can program the onboard flash inside Linux, so I could copy from say, an NFS mount, and do it that way. |
| 18:14.00 | joe_bleau | Just the dealing with the PCMCIA card is a little inconvienent. |
| 18:14.50 | joe_bleau | More importantly, I'm gonna put that project on hold while I look for some LCD interface stuff, and try and get back to the JB. |
| 18:15.59 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:16.46 | joe_bleau | I really need to locate some xD slots and start on a board layout. |
| 18:17.11 | joe_bleau | Haven't done a layout in years! |
| 18:17.21 | joe_bleau | (I gots a guy at work to do that now.) |
| 18:17.27 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 18:17.57 | prpplague | i ordered some of those cf->xd and sd/mmc adapters, should get them in a few days |
| 18:18.09 | prpplague | joe_bleau: looks like they would make good jb adapter |
| 18:20.46 | joe_bleau | Ever play with PLED modules? They've got some now that appear to be drop-ins for the common 16x2 and 20x2 character mode LCD modules. |
| 18:29.11 | prpplague | sorry no |
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| 18:31.28 | joe_bleau | They look really neat, other than limited lifetime. |
| 18:31.37 | joe_bleau | I've got some samples coming, can't wait! |
| 18:57.18 | prpplague | joe_bleau: behind on a project using finger print scanner, totally boring |
| 19:06.50 | joe_bleau | Doesn't sound that boring. |
| 19:08.00 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not really my cup of tea, all userland stuff, i'm more into embedded hardware |
| 19:29.01 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
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| 19:42.06 | prpplague | chouimat: howdy |
| 19:42.43 | chouimat | prpplague: getting ready to go back to work.. after 6 days off |
| 19:45.19 | T` | whats up guys |
| 19:46.52 | prpplague | T`: taxes, blood pressure, cholestral, stress, bills |
| 19:47.04 | prpplague | chouimat: jeeze 6 days? |
| 19:47.52 | chouimat | prpplague: yup ... needed it ... after the last 2 months (and the last 2 weeks in particular) I decided to stop accepting contract for the remaining of the week |
| 19:48.33 | T` | prpplague, oh! man |
| 19:48.40 | T` | i thought u guys dont pay taxes there |
| 19:54.48 | prpplague | T`: not income tax per se, we have other types of taxes |
| 19:54.55 | prpplague | T`: VAT and Duty |
| 19:55.15 | T` | aah |
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| 20:00.59 | prpplague | later folks |
| 20:01.07 | joe_bleau | later dude |
| 20:26.44 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: howdy, did you get your ADS boards running? |
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| 20:59.55 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: sorta. Some notes in the BBS thread, but in short I booted 'em, couldn't log in, copied a kernel+ramdisk to PCMCIA and booted that, played around, and had to do some work work. |
| 21:00.06 | joe_bleau | But yeah, they appeared to be working at least. |
| 21:23.22 | GPSFan | I got mine last thurs. At first my 5V ps didn't have enough transient capacity, would just reset forever. Different ps and it booted sorta. |
| 21:25.05 | GPSFan | sometimes it would hang after running cardmgr to probe the pcmcia cards. Finally booted of the internal flash, and it has a password i couldn't guess. I too loaded the ramdisk & zImage onto a pcmcia card. |
| 21:26.11 | GPSFan | It boots off that ok. the onboard flash has kernel 2.4.1... their latest 2.4.19-rmk7-ads5 seems to work ok. |
| 21:27.23 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I tried an older kernel too. |
| 21:27.39 | joe_bleau | Did you save the existing partitions? I tried, but didn't know how, and wrecked 'em both. |
| 21:27.56 | joe_bleau | I want to 'examine' the existing system. My ignorance of mtd and mount bit me hard there. |
| 21:28.51 | GPSFan | yeah, there was a message on their forum about saving the on board stuff. basically just dd the 2 mtd blocks to an nfs mount. |
| 21:29.42 | GPSFan | I was able to rebuild their 2.4.19 kernel, but there seems to be an interrupt problem with the pcmcia. |
| 21:29.47 | joe_bleau | Don't get me started on the ADS forum...I though that there was something about dd and the partition header that wasn't quite right? |
| 21:30.22 | joe_bleau | I haven't set up a toolchain yet. I may go native, with an NFS mount for storage |
| 21:30.52 | GPSFan | there are 3 mtd part's kernel, ramdisk and whole flash. small, larger, and 32Mbytes. |
| 21:31.48 | joe_bleau | Is the bootloader section of flash exposed as a partition too? |
| 21:31.55 | GPSFan | I also have ported their mods to kernel 2.4.27 it seems to have solved the interrupt issue. |
| 21:32.56 | GPSFan | the bootloader is in rom, and doesn't have a mtd entry. I'm sure you can write a program to read it out. mine is 1.7.3, fairly old... |
| 21:33.01 | joe_bleau | I asked the seller if she had anything else that went along with the boards, such as the LCDs...no reply yet. Maybe I'll hear something next week. |
| 21:33.26 | joe_bleau | Same here. I thought it was flash, just maybe not in system programmable flash. |
| 21:34.07 | GPSFan | looks like they were pulled from something, I remember my graphics client eval board was mounted on plexiglas likt this one is. |
| 21:34.27 | joe_bleau | payphone |
| 21:34.33 | GPSFan | ah.. |
| 21:35.04 | joe_bleau | AT29LV1024, so it's flash. May not have the /WE line tied to the CPU...don't know. Guess it doesn't really matter. |
| 21:36.00 | joe_bleau | Should be possible to rewrite the onboard flash partitions from linux, right? So I don't have to do the PCMCIA shuffle every time I want to update, right? (Fingers crossed.) |
| 21:36.02 | GPSFan | I'll put my 2.4.27 mods together later this next week. That's the one.. it is socketed so I'd bet it isn't programmable in place. |
| 21:36.17 | joe_bleau | Jeez, wonder what they were thinking. |
| 21:36.45 | joe_bleau | If you're paranoid, stick a jumper in the /WE line. But at least allow in system programming! |
| 21:36.48 | GPSFan | yeah, should be able to dd to the mtd block, maybe have to erase first with the bootloader. |
| 21:37.24 | GPSFan | there is a how to do that somewhere on their forum/website, but mostly it assumes a 4.0 or better bootloader. |
| 21:37.29 | joe_bleau | thought I saw mention of an "erase" command on the ADS forum...wasn't clear if it was a 4.0 bootloader command, or inside linux |
| 21:38.03 | joe_bleau | I'm a total mtd idiot. I don't know what's what, which is probably how I toasted the partition trying to mount it. |
| 21:38.18 | joe_bleau | I was even trying to be careful, using the "-r" option to mount every single time. |
| 21:38.20 | GPSFan | prplague had one of these boards a while ago, probably with ADS support, he might remember. |
| 21:39.05 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I think he said he got rid of it. I'll consider emailing him some questions if I get stuck. I don't know enough yet to ask intelligent, worthwhile questions. |
| 21:39.38 | GPSFan | I haven't even tried to flash the onboard stuff yet, trying to get a ramdisk/kernel combo that works well. |
| 21:39.42 | joe_bleau | Wonder if I could wire in an old Palm LCD, something like that. |
| 21:40.57 | GPSFan | My old graphics client came with a 640x480 tft panel, worked ok (had WinCE in the days before linux) |
| 21:41.21 | GPSFan | if you know the timings & pinout, it might be possible. |
| 21:41.41 | GPSFan | I have an 800x600 panel I want to try. |
| 21:42.03 | joe_bleau | I get the impression that it's a very configurable LCD interface |
| 21:42.33 | joe_bleau | But with no onboard Vee supply (guessing here), a passive panel might be a little kludgy |
| 21:42.48 | GPSFan | it is a SA1110, it can support up to 1024x768. tft & dstn, 15bpp max |
| 21:43.00 | joe_bleau | I've got an old mono VGA laptop panel around here, with docs, I should try it |
| 21:43.11 | joe_bleau | 15? |
| 21:44.13 | GPSFan | the SA11xx fb driver is quite flexible, and should be able to do most anything with standard timings. mono might require a vee supply and contrast control. |
| 21:44.24 | GPSFan | you have the manual? |
| 21:44.36 | joe_bleau | Vee and contast--exactly. |
| 21:44.41 | joe_bleau | LCD or GCP? |
| 21:45.39 | GPSFan | gcp? |
| 21:46.04 | joe_bleau | Yeah, well, that user's guide that's linked on the BBS |
| 21:46.18 | joe_bleau | Not much more than pinouts and jumpers, but it's better than nothing. |
| 21:46.39 | GPSFan | no, the 30 page user's manual with all the pinnouts etc. |
| 21:47.02 | joe_bleau | I have http://www.applieddata.net/pdf/gcplus_Manual.pdf |
| 21:47.08 | joe_bleau | Is there something better? Got a link? |
| 21:47.33 | GPSFan | yeah I guess thats the one, for ADS that is a lot of documentation.. ;>) |
| 21:48.14 | joe_bleau | Think I'll have any luck getting forum access, maybe through their sales critters? |
| 21:48.38 | joe_bleau | Be nice to have some peer support. I don't expect anything from ADS people, of course. |
| 21:48.42 | GPSFan | page 16, notice that red and blue bit 0's are the same as bits 5 so there are really only 15 bits, |
| 21:49.47 | joe_bleau | Huh. Is that a chip or board limitation? (Gots to get a SA1110 datasheet...) |
| 21:49.54 | GPSFan | unless you pay ads for support you get zilch. even after buying the graphics client, they would never tell me how to change panel resolutions. |
| 21:50.20 | joe_bleau | So, forum access is probably a pipe dream? |
| 21:50.38 | GPSFan | I'm not sure. I'll look through my SA1110 data sheet. |
| 21:51.00 | GPSFan | unless you know someone with an account.. |
| 21:51.33 | joe_bleau | I don't know anyone, anywhere |
| 21:52.31 | GPSFan | http://www.balloonboard.org/hardware/205/ds/sa1110.pdf |
| 21:53.24 | joe_bleau | I just downloaded 278240-004 from Intel |
| 21:53.24 | GPSFan | did you get 1 or 2 boards? |
| 21:53.28 | joe_bleau | 2 |
| 21:53.39 | joe_bleau | Why? |
| 21:53.41 | GPSFan | $13 shipping each? |
| 21:53.48 | joe_bleau | No, $13 + $3 |
| 21:54.07 | GPSFan | oh, that's nice, how'd you find that out? |
| 21:54.37 | joe_bleau | Someone posted a heads up to the bbs that there was a supply of cheap strongarm SBCs on ebay |
| 21:54.50 | joe_bleau | Did I just answer the wrong question? |
| 21:54.58 | GPSFan | yes. |
| 21:55.21 | joe_bleau | Oh, I emailed the seller and asked a bunch of questions about shipping. |
| 21:55.33 | GPSFan | gotcha.. |
| 21:55.50 | GPSFan | I might pick up another 1 or 2. |
| 21:55.54 | joe_bleau | I like to buy two, so I have a spare if something starts acting strange |
| 21:56.10 | joe_bleau | And deals like this usually don't last, so you don't get a second chance very often. |
| 21:56.22 | GPSFan | me too, but it wasn't clear if they had the linux or WinCE roms. |
| 21:56.39 | joe_bleau | Oh, I'd emailed a bunch of previous buyers and knew that they were Linux |
| 21:56.49 | GPSFan | ah. |
| 21:57.06 | joe_bleau | One guy at imago was really nice. No problem with shipping to the US, boards worked fine, etc. |
| 21:57.19 | joe_bleau | He was even considering buying a few more, since she'd dropped the price in the later auctions. |
| 21:57.30 | joe_bleau | That gave me enough of a comfort level to continue on with the deal. |
| 21:57.39 | GPSFan | $34 is a really great price. |
| 21:58.19 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but only if you can make 'em work. I'm an *extreme* tightwad, so I try and be careful. |
| 21:58.26 | joe_bleau | No chip info? No deal |
| 21:58.47 | joe_bleau | No schematic or basic docs? It had better be really cheap. |
| 21:58.57 | GPSFan | mine only draws 250ma (except when booting) nice and low power, good for lots of stuff. |
| 21:59.06 | joe_bleau | No jtag, flash, or expansion port? Better be *really* cheap |
| 21:59.33 | joe_bleau | Haven't measured mine yet. Is that with the ethernet connected and running? No LCD, I assume. |
| 21:59.54 | GPSFan | I think it has jtag, just not documented, the SA1100 does, and their manufacturing connecctor has enough pins. |
| 21:59.56 | file | here's a question for you two |
| 22:00.04 | joe_bleau | I suspect the same. |
| 22:00.10 | file | know anything, small, that can run OpenBSD and act as a router for me? |
| 22:00.22 | joe_bleau | Soekres (sp?) |
| 22:00.23 | GPSFan | file x86? |
| 22:00.31 | file | x86 compatible ;) |
| 22:00.33 | GPSFan | Soekris. |
| 22:01.16 | file | yeah, see, for a lesser price I can get a small Dell tower... *sigh* |
| 22:01.19 | GPSFan | file I've used their 4521, 4526 and 4801, good embedded boards. |
| 22:01.37 | joe_bleau | Does the Dell boot from flash and run with no fans? |
| 22:01.58 | file | joe_bleau: I don't care a lot about that, I just don't feel like having a huge full system for acting as a router |
| 22:02.01 | GPSFan | if you don't need the low power or size, you don't need a Soekris. |
| 22:02.24 | joe_bleau | I'm using an old 486 for PPPoE and router at work. I'm thinking a Soekris would be a good replacement. |
| 22:02.49 | GPSFan | the cpsi chassis sorphin just got would be a good choice, |
| 22:03.01 | GPSFan | too |
| 22:03.02 | file | I can setup a tunnel to work through my ADSL, and route myself a /28 |
| 22:03.21 | joe_bleau | Oh, did I mention I wanted something quiet? The Ultra 60 is starting to get noisy, so I don't want to add fans/drives, I want to remove them from my office. |
| 22:03.44 | GPSFan | I used an old Pentium 90 for years as a router, till the fan finally got on my nerves. |
| 22:04.13 | joe_bleau | file: low power might be good if you don't have a huge UPS |
| 22:04.25 | file | http://cgi.ebay.ca/Dell-Optiplex-GX150-P-III-P3-1GHz-256MB-20GB-CD-Win2K_W0QQitemZ8713579893QQcategoryZ51131QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 22:05.13 | file | my UPS lasts about 40 minutes |
| 22:05.55 | file | I dunno, it's one of the side things I've been thinking about |
| 22:06.33 | file | a nice /28 routed to my house, totally unfiltered, with firewall stuff being done here, is just sexy |
| 22:06.48 | GPSFan | file: a 4801 with case is ~$240US |
| 22:08.03 | GPSFan | so comparing to that dell, it is a lot more $ for less computing power. But if you need it's features, it is very cost effective. |
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| 22:08.08 | chouimat|party | hi file |
| 22:08.14 | file | hey chouimat |
| 22:08.26 | file | GPSFan: the other thing about the Dell is that I can wobble in a gigabit NIC when I feel the urge to go gigabit ;) |
| 22:09.14 | file | we're running OpenBSD at work for core routing now, and I'm falling in love with it |
| 22:09.27 | joe_bleau | Jeez, do they really run the SA-1110 from a 32.768kHz rock? |
| 22:09.37 | GPSFan | file: sure, and you will have a 1GHz processor and lots of memory and a hdd,etc, but it is bigger, and heavier and noiseer, etc... |
| 22:10.21 | file | the kicker is that we blocked all of Nigeria since so much fraud, that they started calling up trying to sign up over the phone |
| 22:10.21 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: no that's for the "rtc" the ~3.8Mhz is where they run the cpu plls form. |
| 22:10.34 | joe_bleau | Thank god. |
| 22:11.32 | file | my ISP charges $160/mth for ADSL with 5 static IPs, how evil |
| 22:12.11 | joe_bleau | USB even, nice. Wonder if Linux supports the USB...device only, right? |
| 22:12.23 | chouimat|party | file: I pay 40cad/month foradsl + 1 static ip |
| 22:12.45 | file | chouimat|party: bastard! |
| 22:12.54 | chouimat|party | file: hehe |
| 22:13.31 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: yeah, usb client only the Advanced Graphics Client has a SA1111 too which has USB host. |
| 22:13.49 | file | ya know I could do IPv6 too... |
| 22:14.27 | joe_bleau | wonder why so many ARM systems seem to use little endian |
| 22:14.42 | joe_bleau | Isn't big endian network byte order? |
| 22:14.54 | cdm | yeah. |
| 22:15.10 | cdm | IXP's tend to be BE by default. |
| 22:15.30 | cdm | since they are used for network work. |
| 22:15.38 | joe_bleau | Interesting, the SA1110 datasheet says BE was removed after stepping B4 |
| 22:15.58 | joe_bleau | What's the advantage to LE? Less porting hassle from x86, maybe? |
| 22:16.18 | cdm | yeah, pretty much. |
| 22:16.21 | joe_bleau | I'm guessing that the ARM preference may go back to the old (BBC?) days |
| 22:16.46 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: acorn |
| 22:17.03 | joe_bleau | Were they BE or LE? |
| 22:17.41 | GPSFan | le I think, but I may be wrong. |
| 22:18.40 | joe_bleau | If they were LE and people stuck with what they knew, I could understand why we're there now |
| 22:19.24 | cdm | well, ARM is bi-endian. |
| 22:19.31 | cdm | properly too - unlike say PPC. |
| 22:20.04 | joe_bleau | Looks like it's the basic interrupt stuff, no extra vectors |
| 22:20.29 | joe_bleau | Oh, RTC trim, that's kinda neat |
| 22:20.58 | joe_bleau | Watchdog clocked from main xtal--bad. |
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| 22:27.39 | joe_bleau | Looks like it'd drive a VGA monitor if you had a DAC... |
| 22:44.03 | fishhead | what's better about big endian ? |
| 22:44.07 | fishhead | and wtf is endian anyways |
| 22:44.10 | fishhead | why didn't they just use one |
| 22:45.29 | fishhead | file |
| 22:45.35 | fishhead | why not get a linksys wrt54g |
| 22:45.41 | fishhead | $39 after rebate many places now |
| 22:45.44 | fishhead | it has 4 port switch |
| 22:45.47 | fishhead | even if you don't want the wireless |
| 22:45.51 | fishhead | it's a nice router box |
| 22:45.53 | fishhead | runs mips linux |
| 22:45.57 | fishhead | #wrt54g too |
| 22:46.12 | fishhead | people have come up with hacks to use sd cards even |
| 22:47.42 | joe_bleau | I like BE cause you don't have to swap bytes when dealing with data in network byte order. |
| 22:47.49 | joe_bleau | But yeah, it really doesn't matter |
| 22:48.58 | fishhead | so network data is big endian? |
| 22:49.03 | fishhead | wow I never knew this stuff |
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