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| 00:23.17 | BeBrA | anyone using buildroot? |
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| 01:48.14 | file[laptop] | k |
| 01:48.17 | file[laptop] | bleh |
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| 03:27.52 | kergoth_ | hey cdm |
| 03:28.10 | cdm | hey dude. |
| 03:28.23 | cdm | how's life? |
| 03:30.30 | kergoth_ | ehh not too bad. bored out of my mind in the new job, looking for another already :P |
| 03:30.31 | kergoth_ | you? |
| 03:30.38 | kergoth_ | good otherwise |
| 03:31.09 | cdm | wanna move to California? Send me your resume. |
| 03:31.41 | kergoth_ | hmm, perhaps, but i lack a degree, which could prove to be problematic. |
| 03:32.04 | file[laptop] | you could print out a degree! |
| 03:32.09 | file[laptop] | in foolery. |
| 03:32.20 | cdm | kergoth: it might be a problem. Then again, maybe not. |
| 03:32.27 | cdm | feel free to send it along though. |
| 03:32.34 | cdm | my team is going on a hiring spree. |
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| 04:18.01 | MonMotha | in C, is each element of an array declared on the stack defined to be initilized to zero? |
| 04:19.43 | joe_bleau | I think only .bss is required to be zero'd |
| 04:19.53 | MonMotha | ok |
| 04:20.07 | MonMotha | I guess there is minimal cost to just initilize it |
| 04:20.28 | MonMotha | and hooray for languages with no bounds checking |
| 04:20.37 | MonMotha | makes it REALLY easy for off-by-ones to creep up on you |
| 04:21.17 | cdm | Monmotha - no, you have to clear it yourself. |
| 04:22.10 | MonMotha | cdm: ok, that's the impression I was getting from behavior |
| 04:22.17 | MonMotha | I had katakana and greek appearing on my LCD :) |
| 04:23.14 | fishhead | man I gotta wait at least 2 freaking yrs |
| 04:23.17 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 04:23.19 | fishhead | before sco can be put down for good |
| 04:23.20 | fishhead | wtf |
| 04:23.28 | fishhead | why doesn't someone just pipe bomb them |
| 04:23.37 | fishhead | none of them deserve to live anyways |
| 04:23.39 | fishhead | not even their kids |
| 04:25.44 | MonMotha | I just spent like 45 minutes to find and fix like 5 off-by-ones |
| 04:25.53 | MonMotha | I really should load up valgrind or something. It would have foundl ike half of them |
| 04:25.55 | kergoth_ | :( |
| 04:26.07 | MonMotha | I'm really bad with off by ones |
| 04:26.25 | MonMotha | basically, I write the code, fix the syntax errors, run/test, fix off by ones, run/test, repeat |
| 04:26.38 | MonMotha | heck, I'll end up with off-by-twos |
| 04:26.51 | MonMotha | I know I have an off by one due to index/size differences, but I'll correct the wrong way |
| 04:27.48 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 04:27.49 | kergoth_ | i hate that |
| 04:27.56 | cdm | fishhead - that kind of talk really makes you look silly. |
| 04:28.01 | joe_bleau | Don't take this the wrong way, after all free advice is worth what you're paying, but you might save time by writing your code on paper and doing some desk checking (at least the boundary cases). |
| 04:28.24 | kergoth_ | cdm: heh, there's a reason most of us have him ignored, and he regularly gets kickbanned from the channel (among others) |
| 04:28.26 | fishhead | cdm I don't care anymore |
| 04:28.27 | fishhead | reall |
| 04:28.30 | cdm | hahaha... |
| 04:28.40 | fishhead | I am sick of watching crooks harass people for ages |
| 04:28.49 | fishhead | people like this deserve to die |
| 04:29.52 | kergoth_ | i know of at least one network he regularly gets klined from |
| 04:29.58 | kergoth_ | which, while entertaining, is somewhat annoying |
| 04:30.12 | fishhead | yeah too bad I told 1000's of people about that network |
| 04:30.19 | fishhead | so it's now flooded with newbies |
| 04:30.22 | fishhead | what a shame :0 |
| 04:31.07 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: Most of the time, when I make an error, it's in stuff I was confident in. Things where I wasn't entirely sure, I usually do work out the edge case |
| 04:31.12 | MonMotha | and yes, that is a good idea |
| 04:32.12 | fishhead | as for the morons who have me on ignore |
| 04:32.18 | fishhead | doesn't really bother me |
| 04:32.22 | joe_bleau | Oh, pc-lint/flexelint will catch some of those off-by-ones |
| 04:32.34 | fishhead | amazing how much they need to keep mentioning it though |
| 04:32.41 | fishhead | must have to do some mental insecurities |
| 04:32.56 | MonMotha | yeah, bounds checkers will only catch them when you're off in the out of bounds direction |
| 04:34.46 | fishhead | oh connection problems |
| 04:34.47 | fishhead | what a shame |
| 04:34.50 | fishhead | must be bad karma |
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| 12:31.15 | prpplague | pb___: hola |
| 12:34.56 | pb___ | hi prpplague |
| 13:42.23 | prpplague | pb___: whats cookin today? |
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| 14:06.02 | prpplague | http://www.shakthimaan.com/Mambo/ |
| 14:06.19 | prpplague | see the last post? wonder if he was on the train that got bombed |
| 15:03.38 | kergoth | bleh |
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| 15:13.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning crack baby |
| 15:13.26 | prpplague | kergoth: bleh^2 |
| 15:14.48 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
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| 15:53.49 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 15:54.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that makes two of us |
| 15:54.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my weekend was total crap and this week isn't gonna be much better |
| 15:59.53 | CosmicPenguin | I asked IT for help, and they said "you're on your own, pal" |
| 16:00.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why xsupplicant? why not standard wpa_supplicant? |
| 16:00.45 | CosmicPenguin | meh - just picked xsupplicant |
| 16:00.55 | CosmicPenguin | All i need is peap |
| 16:01.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: imho wpa_supplicant is easier, but that just me |
| 16:01.57 | CosmicPenguin | wpa_supplicant it is, then |
| 16:02.23 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:02.27 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
| 16:02.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which wireless chipset? |
| 16:04.00 | CosmicPenguin | Either the cisco or the built in madwifi |
| 16:04.10 | CosmicPenguin | I would prefer the madwifi, not have to have a pcmcia card |
| 16:05.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: shouldn't be a problem |
| 16:07.13 | prpplague | from the wpa_supplicant readme - "madwifi driver for cards based on Atheros chip set (ar521x)" |
| 16:07.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: (http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/) |
| 16:09.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see todays wtf? |
| 16:11.19 | CosmicPenguin | not yet |
| 16:11.31 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just sitting here kind of stewing about a MIPS issue |
| 16:20.06 | CosmicPenguin | dammit |
| 16:20.32 | prpplague | MIPS issue? |
| 16:20.38 | CosmicPenguin | politicial |
| 16:20.43 | prpplague | i thought you guys were out of the mips biz |
| 16:22.00 | CosmicPenguin | Nah |
| 16:22.04 | CosmicPenguin | we still sell them |
| 16:22.07 | CosmicPenguin | we're just not making any more |
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| 16:23.36 | prpplague | nothing like selling a dead product |
| 16:23.38 | BeBrA | hi |
| 16:23.50 | BeBrA | anyone using buildroot |
| 16:24.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its not dead - its just not planning on having any children |
| 16:24.28 | prpplague | BeBrA: there are a few, but most everyone here has moved to OE |
| 16:24.37 | BeBrA | oe? |
| 16:24.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh i guess i still misunserstood, the current model is still being manufactured? |
| 16:25.02 | prpplague | BeBrA: OpenEmbedded |
| 16:25.25 | prpplague | BeBrA: #oe or www.openembedded.org |
| 16:25.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: oh, yeah |
| 16:25.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: in spades |
| 16:25.44 | BeBrA | tnx |
| 16:25.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: in spades? |
| 16:28.19 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:28.24 | CosmicPenguin | we're making many au1200s |
| 16:29.13 | BeBrA | prpplague: is openembedded.org down? I can't open... |
| 16:29.27 | CosmicPenguin | some dnses might still be suffering hangovers |
| 16:32.44 | prpplague | BeBrA: its hosted by handhelds.org which had some dns problems in the last week |
| 16:33.39 | BeBrA | prpplague. do you know if it is supported also x86 platform? |
| 16:35.14 | prpplague | BeBrA: it supports just about every platform that you can put linux on |
| 16:35.21 | kergoth | bleh |
| 16:35.36 | kergoth | BeBrA: yeah it is.. mostly due to me not having gotten around to fixing the dns. hop over to oe.handhelds.org |
| 16:35.43 | kergoth | BeBrA: thats wehre you end up anyway |
| 16:35.56 | BeBrA | tnx |
| 16:35.59 | kergoth | np |
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| 16:40.38 | BeBrA | anyway probably you can help me also with buildroot. I've a problem while compiling busybox: |
| 16:40.38 | BeBrA | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 16:40.41 | BeBrA | /hd/buildroot/build_i686/staging_dir/bin-ccache/../lib/gcc/i686-linux-uclibc/4.0.2/../../../../i686-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: cannot find -lm |
| 16:40.57 | BeBrA | it seems libm is missing |
| 16:41.40 | prpplague | BeBrA: is this a pre made buildroot or is this something you are putting together? |
| 16:42.22 | BeBrA | prpplague: i got source from svn and I'm trying to compile them for x86 |
| 16:42.46 | prpplague | BeBrA: source for what? |
| 16:42.59 | BeBrA | for buildroot |
| 16:44.41 | BeBrA | this is the log http://pastebin.com/412300 |
| 16:46.12 | prpplague | BeBrA: what was the command you issued? |
| 16:46.25 | BeBrA | "make" |
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| 16:49.25 | prpplague | BeBrA: sounds like you have your dependcies out of order or something |
| 16:49.43 | prpplague | BeBrA: i assume to ran a make config first? |
| 16:50.33 | BeBrA | yes, I didn't change anything (I assume default configuration can compile without problems...) |
| 16:51.02 | BeBrA | the i tried also to change binutils and gcc version from config |
| 16:52.48 | BeBrA | probably I'd better need cross compiler packages for my distribution instead of compiling them? |
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| 16:57.55 | prpplague | BeBrA: cross compiling is better |
| 16:58.12 | file | I'm cursed. |
| 16:59.09 | BeBrA | prpplague: you mean it is better to compile also cross compiler? |
| 16:59.11 | prpplague | file: welcome to the real world |
| 16:59.34 | prpplague | BeBrA: the buildroot should build a cross compiler |
| 16:59.46 | BeBrA | yes |
| 16:59.46 | prpplague | BeBrA: the cross compilier is then used to do the reset of the compiling |
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| 17:04.54 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 17:58.10 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
| 17:58.12 | CosmicPenguin | strange |
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| 18:16.06 | TimRiker | anyone recommend a good cheap high port density console server at a good price? ssh access would be nice. |
| 18:16.34 | TimRiker | The cyclades 3200 looks nice, but also looks pricey for what you get. |
| 18:19.00 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey, i'm getting ride of the #pixterdev channel and moving it to a more generic channel #edev |
| 18:19.05 | prpplague | TimRiker: mind moving purl? |
| 18:19.34 | prpplague | TimRiker: *cough* digi makes some good ones |
| 18:22.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey how do you normally handle keeping up with original patches? |
| 18:22.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you check then into revision control? |
| 18:24.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: at this point, yes |
| 18:25.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you checking them in as a binary(i.e. gzip'd) or text only? |
| 18:25.30 | kergoth | binary? eck |
| 18:25.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: text |
| 18:25.36 | CosmicPenguin | Plus the quilt series file |
| 18:25.48 | CosmicPenguin | Right now I'm not even checking in the original tarball |
| 18:26.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that was my next question |
| 18:26.16 | CosmicPenguin | I would like to move to a more distributed method - possibly git, but people here have paid a lot of money for Perforce, and damned if we're not going to use it |
| 18:27.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: think i'm gonna have store the tarballs in a different manor |
| 18:29.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: my thinking is - if we're modifing upstream code, then we should be pulling from upstream |
| 18:29.30 | CosmicPenguin | It helps everyone remember what our purpose is |
| 18:29.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, only thing i am thinking about is distribution on cd |
| 18:30.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we include a source cd for all our stuff |
| 18:30.43 | CosmicPenguin | So then toss the tarball on that |
| 18:30.47 | CosmicPenguin | still no reason to rcs it |
| 18:32.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, what i'm trying to accomplish is a good shell script to pull the current cvs code, plus all the original code and create an iso |
| 18:32.57 | CosmicPenguin | Well, I guess its a matter of preference |
| 18:33.12 | CosmicPenguin | me, I would pull it from upstream - or at least from an internal web mirror |
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| 21:50.19 | sorphin | anyone interested in a network security position? heh |
| 21:51.15 | CosmicPenguin | You need a lackey to push around? :) |
| 21:51.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: actually |
| 21:51.28 | sorphin | the position is the same level as me or higher |
| 21:51.49 | sorphin | there was only 3 of us, and one of the 'big guys', has went back over to the router group |
| 21:52.09 | sorphin | so we're gonna be kinda screwed till it get backfilled |
| 21:52.51 | jbevren | man |
| 21:52.57 | jbevren | if I had more than just a half clue, I'd say sure |
| 21:52.58 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:53.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:53.10 | jbevren | but no way am I qualified |
| 21:53.12 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:53.13 | sorphin | jbevren: have to know juniper and cisco :P |
| 21:53.33 | jbevren | well I'd like to know juniper, but getting it onto my esoteric hardware is like getting a kid to be quiet |
| 21:53.37 | jbevren | just not gonna work :) |
| 21:53.50 | sorphin | jbevren: gonna do the mods to that thing :P |
| 21:54.01 | jbevren | eventually |
| 21:54.13 | sorphin | heh |
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| 21:56.00 | jbevren | nod |
| 21:56.04 | jbevren | oh, he left |
| 21:56.05 | jbevren | wtf hehe |
| 21:56.17 | Genesis | he'll be back :) |
| 21:56.22 | jbevren | I'm sure |
| 21:56.25 | jbevren | he loves us :> |
| 21:56.30 | Genesis | yeap :S |
| 21:57.47 | CosmicPenguin | not any more |
| 22:09.06 | T`2 | hehe |
| 22:52.29 | jbevren | its not OUR fault none of us are good at net security |
| 22:52.30 | jbevren | :( |
| 22:52.31 | jbevren | :) |
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| 23:02.08 | BeBrA | hello! I've a problem... I did a make install of uClibc on my box, but now I want to remove libs |
| 23:03.03 | BeBrA | I removed /lib/libc.so.0, but when I try to d oa make menuconfig I get this error... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.0 |
| 23:03.52 | BeBrA | how can i fix this problem? |
| 23:04.59 | jbevren | um |
| 23:05.06 | jbevren | on your build host? |
| 23:05.12 | BeBrA | yes |
| 23:05.23 | jbevren | there are two files that dont need that file |
| 23:05.26 | jbevren | one's the kernel |
| 23:05.27 | jbevren | the other's grub |
| 23:05.32 | CosmicPenguin | wow - thats really really bad |
| 23:05.39 | jbevren | that system will never boot again :( |
| 23:05.52 | BeBrA | no, system can boot |
| 23:05.55 | jbevren | launch a rescue cd and reinstall |
| 23:06.00 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.02 | CosmicPenguin | Not re-install |
| 23:06.06 | BeBrA | but it is really bad as CosmicPenguin said ;) |
| 23:06.08 | CosmicPenguin | you can just redo the symlink |
| 23:06.13 | jbevren | ohh good idea |
| 23:06.15 | jbevren | cd /lib |
| 23:06.35 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.28 | BeBrA | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /bin/ln -s libc-2.3.5.so libc.so.0 |
| 23:08.30 | BeBrA | here it is |
| 23:08.54 | BeBrA | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 23:09.02 | BeBrA | ../libc/sysdeps/linux/i386/crt1.S:(.text+0x2c): undefined reference to `__uClibc_main' |
| 23:09.27 | jbevren | on your build host or the target host? |
| 23:09.31 | jbevren | I'm really confused |
| 23:09.35 | BeBrA | build |
| 23:09.48 | jbevren | you installed uclibc into / on the build host? ouch twice. |
| 23:09.51 | BeBrA | I was playing with buildroot on my build host |
| 23:09.58 | BeBrA | yes...... |
| 23:10.06 | jbevren | that might just require a reinstall |
| 23:10.13 | jbevren | btw, buildroot makes an ext2fs image without make install |
| 23:10.42 | BeBrA | but atm I don't need image for target host... |
| 23:10.53 | BeBrA | i just need my build host working again :D |
| 23:11.03 | jbevren | :( |
| 23:11.09 | jbevren | I cant help :-/ |
| 23:11.27 | BeBrA | :( |
| 23:12.04 | jbevren | gotta go, work day's done |
| 23:13.02 | BeBrA | tnx. see you! |
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| 23:47.33 | BeBrA | do you know if default configuration of buildroot compile without problems? |
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