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| 01:06.44 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
| 01:06.52 | BeBrA | salutti! |
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| 04:21.42 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 05:17.46 | MonMotha | holy shit pump machine runs Linux |
| 05:24.05 | MonMotha | 2.4.27, looks like stock Debian |
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| 13:21.19 | prpplague | ~lart T0mW |
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| 13:21.42 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 13:22.13 | prpplague | T0mW: morning |
| 13:22.22 | T0mW | prpplague: good morning |
| 13:22.54 | T0mW | prpplague: little bit of a rough weekend, a very good friend passed away. |
| 13:23.08 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh sorry to hear that |
| 13:23.32 | T0mW | prpplague: it was expected, eventually, just was sudden: emphazema (sp?) |
| 13:23.48 | prpplague | ahh' |
| 13:24.06 | T0mW | prpplague: anyway, the show goes one |
| 13:24.14 | T0mW | s/one/on/ |
| 13:24.31 | prpplague | T0mW: the pr0n show? |
| 13:24.35 | T0mW | prpplague: heh |
| 13:25.27 | T0mW | prpplague: interesting thing, I daisy chained the JTAG of the two processors. I can now debug both programs using an instance of Insight for each |
| 13:27.39 | prpplague | T0mW: got a company i did some side work for thats dragging their feet paying me |
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| 13:27.56 | T0mW | prpplague: how far past due? |
| 13:28.15 | prpplague | T0mW: 45 days, and it was suppose to be on delivery |
| 13:28.24 | T0mW | that is not bad |
| 13:28.42 | prpplague | T0mW: yea well i had to buy a bunch of equipment to do the work |
| 13:28.49 | T0mW | ow |
| 13:29.00 | prpplague | T0mW: if i don't get rembursed soon, i'm gonna be in a world of hurt |
| 13:29.56 | T0mW | well, maybe sell the equipment on ebay, but now you learn: any out of pocket has to be taken care of by the initial down payment on the contract |
| 13:29.58 | prpplague | T0mW: feast or famine |
| 13:30.31 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i didn't expect this customer to screw me |
| 13:30.32 | T0mW | prpplague: that way, all I risk is my time (and the rent) |
| 13:30.44 | prpplague | T0mW: next time it will be 100% upfront or nothing |
| 13:30.55 | T0mW | prpplague: did you talk with your contact person at that company about the problem? |
| 13:31.14 | T0mW | prpplague: or just accounts payable guy? |
| 13:31.53 | T0mW | prpplague: I recently ran into that where someone was 120days past due on $6K |
| 13:33.03 | T0mW | prpplague: I contacted accounts payable to see when I might expect payment and to ensure that there wasn't some overlooked problem with the delivery: program didn't work properly, or , missing invoice |
| 13:33.44 | T0mW | prpplague: he explained that they had it on hold for payment as the boss didn't have anyway to test the software (no system available) |
| 13:33.53 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 13:34.01 | file[laptop] | nice. |
| 13:34.19 | prpplague | T0mW: i suspect this one is that their customer hasn't placed the order for the software i wrote |
| 13:34.31 | T0mW | prpplague: I wrote an email to the owner, explained that, I, as any business had to rely upon "cash flow" to meet commitments and to consumate plans in the works. |
| 13:34.47 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe i know their customer, so if i don't hear something soon, i'm gonna sell the software to them directly |
| 13:35.24 | T0mW | prpplague: I also reminded hime that I give a 1 year unconditional warranty on my work: if it is broke I will fix it, even write a new one if necessary. |
| 13:36.01 | T0mW | prpplague: I then suggested that if they were having cash-flow problems, that I would accept a partial payment.... |
| 13:36.15 | T0mW | prpplague: he paid me the $6K |
| 13:36.45 | T0mW | prpplague: that happens a lot: they buy from me, they don |
| 13:36.47 | T0mW | 't |
| 13:37.01 | T0mW | have the money because they haven't been paid. |
| 13:37.59 | T0mW | prpplague: interesting thing here in the United States, if any company is 150days past due, any creditor can force a company into bankruptcy for a valid (legally uncontested) debt.. |
| 13:38.37 | T0mW | prpplague: or maybe that is just New Jersey, but.. |
| 13:38.37 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:38.40 | prpplague | not heard of that |
| 13:39.07 | T0mW | prpplague: Business Law is very explicit about duties of parties under a contract |
| 13:40.28 | T0mW | prpplague: I'd suggest that you be polite and professional about it: approach them to see if they have a problem with your work, and if not, remind them that you have obligations to meet and that cash flow is important to you. |
| 13:40.46 | T0mW | prpplague: don't make it personal |
| 13:41.07 | T0mW | prpplague: like they say in the GodFather, "it's business" |
| 13:43.12 | T0mW | prpplague: about 5 years ago, I spent approx $8K of my own money developing something for a customer. Eventually I had to eat 10units, that hurt. |
| 13:43.25 | T0mW | prpplague: but it didn't kill me |
| 13:45.14 | T0mW | prpplague: just one thing more, be carefull about selling direct to thier customer, you may open yourself up to a Breach of Contract lawsuit. |
| 13:45.49 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh good point |
| 13:46.19 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, i think i'll just sell the hardware and GPL the software, that should make them a little nervous |
| 13:46.22 | T0mW | prpplague: you have to take action on the original contract first and get it settled |
| 13:47.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i really should get someone to handle my weekend work |
| 13:47.51 | T0mW | prpplague: there is always dual license: gpl most of it, but the "good stuff" is under a proprietary license, or the inclusion into a commercial product requires the proprietary license package |
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| 13:48.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I need to be cloned |
| 13:48.38 | prpplague | T0mW: i mainly ment the biz end of things |
| 13:49.54 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, that is why most businesses fail: they cannot make the transition from the worker to the worker-bookkeeper-public relations-sales-owner mentality |
| 13:51.12 | T0mW | prpplague: funny thing is that when you work for yourself, you are no longer kissing your bosses *ss, you now have to kiss the customers *ss. |
| 13:51.36 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i learned that awhile back, i just usually take on weekend stuff to pay for my toy habit |
| 13:51.45 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:53.22 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I've got a couple more cuts & jumpers, need to test out if the processors can reset each other an put each other into download mode. Then it is time to do another prototype run, get all these cuts & jumpers synchronized with the schematic & pcb layout files. |
| 13:54.21 | T0mW | these little LPC2000 ARM processors of Philips are nice chips |
| 13:54.48 | T0mW | they have thier issues but overall they rock |
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| 14:15.47 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, I have 28976 unread messages from the MythTV mailing list of 78597 total. |
| 14:15.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:16.01 | T0mW | prpplague: would you say that is an "active mailing list"? |
| 14:16.36 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:17.24 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:17.37 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 14:17.46 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin boss man? |
| 14:18.12 | prpplague | kergoth: snorted any cofffe grounds yet this morning? |
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| 14:23.48 | prpplague | hmm my buildroot is dying today |
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| 14:28.54 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey ] |
| 14:29.43 | prpplague | sjhill: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=376 |
| 14:30.56 | sjhill | oh, i am SO going to buy that |
| 14:31.25 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe i knew you;d like that |
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| 14:34.32 | T0mW | wtf is with Pennsylvania! Don't they know about Arlen Spector? |
| 14:34.47 | Crofton | ? |
| 14:34.52 | Crofton | what have they done? |
| 14:35.01 | Crofton | god we shoudl stay away from politics though :) |
| 14:35.29 | prpplague | sjhill: was buildroot broken on friday? |
| 14:35.42 | sjhill | *shrug* |
| 14:35.43 | prpplague | sjhill: i'm getting some odd problems |
| 14:36.03 | sjhill | i'm still avoiding the new uClibc build system like...well...like the prpplague :) |
| 14:36.23 | jbevren | just dont type make install in buildroot and then remove /lib/libc.so.2 |
| 14:36.23 | prpplague | sjhill: first time i run buildroot after a checkout i get a problem with ld not finding some libs |
| 14:36.26 | jbevren | or was it so.0 |
| 14:36.27 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:36.44 | prpplague | so.0 |
| 14:36.45 | sjhill | oo |
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| 14:36.52 | prpplague | jbevren: thats what i'm having problems with |
| 14:37.03 | sjhill | that guy has done more to make my life hell |
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| 14:37.20 | prpplague | jbevren: whats the deal with libc.so.0 ? |
| 14:40.27 | jbevren | prpplague: make needs it |
| 14:40.32 | jbevren | or something |
| 14:40.39 | jbevren | someone installed uclibc over his build host's libc |
| 14:40.42 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:40.49 | sjhill | that is so cool |
| 14:41.00 | sjhill | "Start of sash, we'll take it from there." |
| 14:41.05 | sjhill | s/of/up/ |
| 14:41.16 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm |
| 14:42.09 | prpplague | sjhill: so which version of buildroot are you using right now for your uclibc build? |
| 14:52.44 | prpplague | jbevren: are you using a recent snapshot of buildroot |
| 14:52.46 | prpplague | jbevren: ? |
| 14:53.04 | jbevren | no, I used the same version as adam dunkles so I could build addons for openzipit |
| 14:53.55 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm |
| 14:54.52 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:55.26 | prpplague | jbevren: btw, i've migrated the #pixterdev over to #edev which will be more generic channels about device hacking |
| 14:55.30 | jbevren | I'd like to get a tiny RFB client of some sort on my zipit :-X |
| 14:55.39 | jbevren | oh? |
| 14:55.40 | jbevren | nice :) |
| 14:55.44 | prpplague | jbevren: so if you know any folks doing zipit hacking, have them join |
| 14:55.55 | jbevren | I dont, I'm an island in my community heh |
| 14:56.06 | jbevren | Ive been fairly inactive. The zipits I have just sit in a corner collecting uptime |
| 14:56.08 | jbevren | sigh. :P |
| 14:56.20 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, yea, time time time |
| 14:56.22 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: yes you should |
| 14:56.28 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i abuse people even more on that list |
| 14:56.36 | prpplague | jbevren: i've dead in the water on my jb hacking for atleast two weeks |
| 14:56.40 | sjhill | fresh meat! fresh meat! |
| 14:56.43 | CosmicPenguin | People are probably talking sh*t about me.. :) |
| 14:57.14 | CosmicPenguin | Not that it isn't deserved |
| 14:57.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you really should check the #elinux logs, we talk sh*t about you all the time when you are away |
| 14:57.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 14:58.10 | CosmicPenguin | thats fine |
| 14:58.22 | CosmicPenguin | I know I deserve that |
| 14:58.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 14:58.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jk bud |
| 14:59.31 | prpplague | interesting, first time i run make on buildroot, i get a missing libc.so.0, second run, i get a missing libm |
| 15:00.36 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:00.45 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: love the topic in #mipslinux |
| 15:01.36 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i swear, they just come to me |
| 15:02.17 | CosmicPenguin | don't tell them who I am |
| 15:02.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:02.37 | sjhill | i won't |
| 15:02.51 | CosmicPenguin | I don't have any alchemy boards I can hand out at the moment... :) |
| 15:02.52 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.00 | CosmicPenguin | funny |
| 15:05.26 | CosmicPenguin | eek |
| 15:05.29 | CosmicPenguin | file is everywhere |
| 15:05.34 | file | PH33R |
| 15:05.48 | CosmicPenguin | elinux invades the world! |
| 15:08.48 | CosmicPenguin | Now if sorphin shows up, I will fear |
| 15:09.05 | CosmicPenguin | But he is unlikely to be seen again in these parts for some time |
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| 15:18.28 | kergoth | ah, no wonder my uml on my x86_64 box isnt working. cant handle i386 binaries inside it |
| 15:19.17 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 15:20.05 | kergoth | file: simulating network environments with multiple uml instances, a uml_switch or 2, and VLAN |
| 15:20.21 | file | oh wow |
| 15:20.30 | file | the picture of my boss on MSN, is scary |
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| 15:26.35 | CosmicPenguin | Somebody had a similar problem last night, prpplague |
| 15:27.26 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:27.31 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 15:27.38 | file | chouimat: what places should I go to while visiting? |
| 15:27.50 | chouimat | file: visiting what and where? |
| 15:27.56 | file | Montreal |
| 15:28.08 | file | any places that I *have* to go to |
| 15:28.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i recal someone was here yesterday as well |
| 15:28.58 | chouimat | file: try Chez Paré but to have a good seat near the chick you have to give at least 50 to 100$ to the doorman ... and you will have the player of the Canadian :( |
| 15:29.08 | CosmicPenguin | err? |
| 15:29.18 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't understand a thing he said |
| 15:29.22 | file | what am I thinking, asking you... |
| 15:29.23 | prpplague | ~GPSfan |
| 15:29.27 | ibot | rumour has it, gpsfan is kenm@paonia.com |
| 15:30.11 | chouimat | file: there a lot of museum in montreal ... |
| 15:30.45 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: nm Chez Paré is or was a nudie bar where the players of the Montreal Canadian (hockey team) used to go |
| 15:31.04 | CosmicPenguin | That makes way more sense now |
| 15:31.40 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:31.56 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.askmen.com/jokes/current/index.html |
| 15:37.27 | prpplague | these are my favorites |
| 15:37.29 | prpplague | 16- You don't recognize your wife unless seen from the bottom of a glass. |
| 15:37.29 | prpplague | 17- You have a reserved parking space at the liquor store. |
| 15:39.30 | chouimat | prpplague: for 13 to be true you need to be really really drunk |
| 15:40.05 | prpplague | sjhill-afk: who is psm? |
| 15:43.16 | prpplague | ok it the uclibc snapshot thats borked |
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| 15:49.35 | Crofton | busybox bloat :) |
| 15:50.00 | CosmicPenguin | But it can be compiled out |
| 15:50.04 | CosmicPenguin | thats the beauty of it |
| 15:50.23 | prpplague | exactly |
| 15:50.31 | Crofton | true |
| 15:50.32 | CosmicPenguin | To have every utility in the world at your fingertips, yet still be able to produce exactly the binary size you need |
| 15:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | Plus, it makes the build system so much easier |
| 15:51.03 | Crofton | Someone just sent me this http://www.badcaps.net/ |
| 15:51.07 | Crofton | any truth here? |
| 15:51.17 | prpplague | i personally find devmem2 a nice dev tool |
| 15:51.33 | prpplague | Crofton: yep |
| 15:52.50 | prpplague | Crofton: my former employer had a whole string of bad mb due to caps |
| 15:52.56 | Crofton | ouch |
| 15:53.36 | Crofton | hmm |
| 15:53.46 | Crofton | I have a slighty flaky machine from 1999 at home |
| 15:56.40 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 15:56.41 | CosmicPenguin | thats just |
| 15:56.42 | CosmicPenguin | bad |
| 15:57.19 | CosmicPenguin | todays is just excellent |
| 15:57.25 | CosmicPenguin | I mean mondays |
| 15:57.27 | file | w... t... h |
| 15:57.27 | CosmicPenguin | the last one on top |
| 15:58.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh my |
| 15:58.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh my |
| 15:59.04 | prpplague | ~emulate abcsinc |
| 15:59.19 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 15:59.20 | ibot | selling used products as new isn't unethical! |
| 15:59.42 | kergoth | ~emulate fry |
| 15:59.44 | ibot | Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
| 15:59.54 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:00.27 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 16:00.28 | ibot | selling used products as new isn't unethical! |
| 16:00.36 | prpplague | its suppose to rotate those |
| 16:00.44 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 16:00.46 | ibot | if we can't sell it for 500% markup we aren't interested! |
| 16:13.42 | chouimat | any of you know a ftp client which when I do a mget I can exclude some files from it? |
| 16:14.39 | CosmicPenguin | spam on the bitbake list |
| 16:14.46 | CosmicPenguin | take evasive action! |
| 16:15.05 | prpplague | chouimat: no, but you could do it easy with wget and a shell script |
| 16:17.19 | prpplague | chouimat: actually wget has some options for accept and reject |
| 16:17.58 | chouimat | prpplague: I know I wanted to avoid writing a script before drinking my first coffee of the day |
| 16:18.11 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:19.35 | kergoth | | /home/kergoth/code/oe/build/tmp/cross/x86_64-oe-linux/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /home/kergoth/code/oe/build/tmp/cross/x86_64-oe-linux/lib/libc.so.6 when searching for libc.so.6 |
| 16:19.35 | kergoth | | /home/kergoth/code/oe/build/tmp/cross/x86_64-oe-linux/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /home/kergoth/code/oe/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/x86_64-oe-linux/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-oe-linux/lib/../lib/libc.so.6 when searching for libc.so.6 |
| 16:19.37 | kergoth | meh |
| 16:19.43 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you ever -targeted- x86_64 in oe? |
| 16:20.49 | CosmicPenguin | ouch |
| 16:20.50 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 16:20.54 | CosmicPenguin | cept for native |
| 16:20.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea the spammers have been hitting all my forums too |
| 16:21.03 | kergoth | since i dont want any 32 bit binaries at all |
| 16:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, I'll bet the multilib stuff causes you pain |
| 16:21.30 | kergoth | either that.. or i need to actually build glibc multilib as well. |
| 16:21.38 | kergoth | the oe builds are clearly inconsistent with one another for this target |
| 16:22.12 | kergoth | doing x86_64 uml on my athlon 64.. cant run i386 binaries in it. |
| 16:22.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:22.15 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 16:24.39 | CosmicPenguin | ouch |
| 16:27.17 | chouimat | prpplague: look like I will have to write a script :( |
| 16:27.38 | CosmicPenguin | you poor boy |
| 16:28.47 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I know |
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| 16:47.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe just noticed theres au1500 listing in buildroot |
| 16:49.07 | CosmicPenguin | heh yeah |
| 16:49.24 | CosmicPenguin | we sent andersee some boards a while back |
| 16:49.33 | prpplague | guess i should add an entry for our two new devices |
| 16:49.41 | CosmicPenguin | He fixed a lot of uclibc bugs with them |
| 16:49.45 | CosmicPenguin | both big and little endian |
| 16:50.58 | chouimat | prpplague: I found something http://sunsite.org.uk/packages/mirror/ |
| 16:54.25 | CosmicPenguin | Looks like SCO finally moved |
| 16:54.55 | CosmicPenguin | Its all sealed, but that hasn't stopped groklaw from passing judgement |
| 16:55.01 | CosmicPenguin | what a load of crap that website is |
| 16:55.15 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: we need a way to express control over multilib in oe. when building gcc, there are any number of attributes we can build multiple libraries based on.. not just 32/64.. |
| 16:55.25 | CosmicPenguin | ugh |
| 16:55.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea read about that |
| 16:55.54 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: is that a "USES" string I hear floating in the background... :D |
| 16:55.56 | prpplague | chouimat: doesn't wget do that? |
| 16:56.09 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm lazy :) |
| 16:56.23 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: hehe. i dunno.. this is rather complex.. not sure if a single string will accomodate it |
| 16:56.33 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:56.44 | prpplague | well fudge, my patch to genext2fs isn't getting applied by buildroot |
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| 17:06.25 | prpplague | BeBrA: hey |
| 17:06.46 | prpplague | BeBrA: you figure out that the snapshot for uclibc is borked? |
| 17:07.08 | BeBrA | borked? |
| 17:09.30 | BeBrA | what does it mean borked? |
| 17:09.57 | file | broken |
| 17:11.33 | BeBrA | i didn't |
| 17:13.22 | BeBrA | I'm trying to understand how to include kernel image on buildroot... |
| 17:15.15 | kergoth | oh awesome |
| 17:15.15 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: |
| 17:15.18 | kergoth | "The patch queue extension integrates quilt functionality into Mercurial. Changes are maintained as patches which are committed into Mercurial. Commits can be removed or reordered, and the underlying patch can be refreshed based on changes made in the working directory. The patch directory can also be placed under revision control, so you can have a separate history of changes made to your patches." |
| 17:15.36 | kergoth | quilt integration in an scm tool :) |
| 17:15.36 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 17:16.27 | kergoth | i noticed taht 'rej' had a new convenience script |
| 17:16.40 | kergoth | normally it has qp, a quilt push wrapper.. now it has one for mercurial+mqextension :) |
| 17:16.47 | kergoth | (http://www.gunnarwrobel.de/wiki/rej.html) |
| 17:17.06 | CosmicPenguin | I thought mercurial was suffering since their main guy was dinged by McVoy |
| 17:17.17 | file | trac is nice... |
| 17:17.27 | kergoth | file: indeed |
| 17:19.01 | prpplague | sjhill: re crack baby |
| 17:19.12 | sjhill | lo' |
| 17:22.27 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: disabling multilib did it, though it broke our packaging, since our packaging doesnt know about lib vs lib64 |
| 17:22.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:24.36 | kergoth | mm, bogofilter works well. used spamassassin against my entire inbox and spam folder to train it initially, then ditched spamassassin to improve performance, relying on bogo only |
| 17:25.05 | file | I hate to admit it but Outlook keeps my spam under tabs in combo with my ISP |
| 17:25.27 | sjhill | ~ibot lart file |
| 17:25.42 | kergoth | i made a ~/.procmail.d/ and a quick & dirty update-procmailrc script |
| 17:25.46 | kergoth | sure cleans it up a bit |
| 17:25.48 | sjhill | that is such a great picture |
| 17:25.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:25.58 | chouimat | prpplague: ok I got this thing working with wget ... now time to bill the customer :) |
| 17:26.06 | kergoth | blehh |
| 17:26.18 | file | billing the customer = good |
| 17:26.51 | chouimat | shit it doesn't work |
| 17:27.51 | sjhill | what day is it? |
| 17:28.01 | sjhill | crap, it's Tuesday. i thought it was Monday. |
| 17:28.11 | sjhill | man, this week doesn't bode well |
| 17:28.21 | file | sjhill: it can only get better... |
| 17:28.22 | file | OR WORSE! |
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| 17:46.30 | CosmicPenguin | Don't choke on a starburst and get it up your nose |
| 17:46.35 | CosmicPenguin | it stings something horrible |
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| 17:58.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: noted |
| 18:08.36 | T`2 | morning! |
| 18:08.43 | T`2 | hey plague.. was up |
| 18:09.27 | prpplague | T`2: ssdd |
| 18:09.34 | prpplague | only higher and smellier |
| 18:09.36 | T`2 | hah |
| 18:15.58 | MonMotha | hum, I have an ELF file here that appears to have some debugging symbols in it, despite being stripped and them not being seen by any of my tools |
| 18:16.07 | MonMotha | then again, I'm guessing there may be a better tool than objdump... |
| 18:18.30 | CosmicPenguin | readelf, maybe |
| 18:19.35 | MonMotha | you know of something that will disassemble and try to put symbols from libraries with calls to those libraries? |
| 18:19.48 | MonMotha | objdump is just showing me the call, not putting any symbols on the stack pushes for the parameters |
| 18:20.46 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: we use this, here http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/index.htm |
| 18:20.51 | CosmicPenguin | it costs, but its really really nice |
| 18:21.08 | CosmicPenguin | Back in the days before SuSE was really open, we used to use that to figure out what the livecd was doing |
| 18:21.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: you've issue the "file" command on it to see what it responds with? |
| 18:21.24 | MonMotha | hum, I'm not sure that I'm willing to pay for this... |
| 18:21.30 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, this binary is definately ELF |
| 18:21.50 | MonMotha | piu: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 18:21.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: usually file will tell you about the status of the strip |
| 18:22.15 | MonMotha | it says it's stripped, but there are definately some lingering "things" that would be extremely useful to me |
| 18:22.40 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: is it passing the params in registers? |
| 18:22.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: don't suppose they are in the actual shared lib? |
| 18:22.52 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: mostly stacking them |
| 18:23.03 | MonMotha | prpplague: all the shared libs are off teh shelf |
| 18:23.05 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - I thought you said they weren't putting anything in the stack pushes... |
| 18:23.25 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:23.35 | MonMotha | they're stacking them, but it would be great to get a library symbol along with the stack |
| 18:23.48 | MonMotha | so that I know that this push is supposed to be whatever param to the function in the lib |
| 18:24.03 | MonMotha | w/o having to manually go look it up every time (which gets very slow and tedious) |
| 18:24.09 | file | sweet - a virus in my e-mail |
| 18:24.17 | MonMotha | gah, I need to go to class |
| 18:24.22 | MonMotha | I'll be back in about three hours |
| 18:24.39 | MonMotha | if you guys have any more ideas, leave them for me here. I'll see them |
| 18:24.49 | CosmicPenguin | Thats why the disassemblers are so nice, they usually do most of the dirty work |
| 18:25.08 | MonMotha | I can almost get this app to run, but not quite |
| 18:25.18 | MonMotha | anyway, bbl |
| 18:25.22 | CosmicPenguin | happy learning |
| 18:25.29 | MonMotha | learning? in these classes? hah |
| 18:25.37 | MonMotha | I learn by doing the kind of shit I'm talking about here |
| 18:32.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:52.42 | CosmicPenguin | I suck! |
| 18:57.02 | T0mW | ~lart CosmicPenguin for sucking |
| 18:57.13 | T0mW | ~botsnack |
| 18:57.13 | ibot | T0mW: :) |
| 18:57.32 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: so there, how does that fish taste? |
| 18:57.35 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, that reminds me... |
| 18:57.55 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: lunchtime? |
| 18:58.16 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.crouse-house.com/gallery/Halloween-2005 |
| 18:58.21 | CosmicPenguin | Check out my leet pumpkin |
| 18:58.55 | T0mW | lol |
| 18:59.16 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: wtf did you get that? |
| 18:59.31 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: that is cool |
| 18:59.31 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, for real?! ? |
| 18:59.43 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, wow.. looks pretty good |
| 19:00.19 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: believe it or not, we were trolling a web page with pumpkin designs, and Tux was one of the designs |
| 19:00.27 | CosmicPenguin | the lady even credited Larry Ewing! |
| 19:00.46 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: did you cut it yourself, or a local shop does that? |
| 19:01.37 | CosmicPenguin | I cut it myself - I taped the pattern on, and then punched through the paper with a knife to get the lines, and then used a exacto knife to cut away the outside of the pumpkin |
| 19:02.20 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: your wife laugh at you a lot while you did that? |
| 19:02.21 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:03.15 | T0mW | prpplague: got the MMC fat file read working, the app is 18K, the fat stuff is prolly 70% of that |
| 19:04.34 | T0mW | now to implement fseek() |
| 19:07.41 | prpplague | T0mW: oh yea? |
| 19:07.52 | prpplague | T0mW: mind letting me have a copy? |
| 19:07.56 | prpplague | T0mW: is it in c? |
| 19:08.11 | T0mW | prpplague: it's in C |
| 19:08.20 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 19:08.21 | ibot | i heard prpplague is mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 19:09.13 | T0mW | prpplague: wait until I put in fclose(), then I'll send you a copy. ok? heh |
| 19:09.21 | chouimat | hi T0mW |
| 19:09.28 | T0mW | chouimat: hello |
| 19:09.30 | prpplague | T0mW: ok |
| 19:09.58 | prpplague | T0mW: is it modular enough that i can hack it into some other code? |
| 19:10.21 | T0mW | prpplague: yes, it is. I have a subdir mmc/ |
| 19:11.04 | T0mW | prpplague: actually, it is a device |
| 19:11.25 | T0mW | prpplague: I implemented simple devices similar to the linux kernel modules |
| 19:11.37 | prpplague | cool |
| 19:11.45 | prpplague | my fat support in blob sucks |
| 19:12.09 | T0mW | device_table[device]->Read(...) |
| 19:12.36 | T0mW | device_table[device]->IoCtl(...) |
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| 19:15.08 | prpplague | andersee: ho ho ho |
| 19:17.42 | andersee | prpplague: merry christmas |
| 19:18.02 | andersee | prpplague: or was that the ho ho ho'ing of the jolly green giant? |
| 19:18.17 | prpplague | andersee: merry tuesday |
| 19:18.26 | T0mW | andersee: sounds of Dave in a cathouse |
| 19:18.35 | prpplague | T0mW: exactly |
| 19:19.13 | prpplague | andersee: just trying to work out adding some devices to buildroot |
| 19:20.56 | prpplague | andersee: who should i try sending patches to? |
| 19:20.57 | andersee | prpplague: as in /dev stuff |
| 19:21.09 | prpplague | andersee: target/devices/xxxx |
| 19:21.20 | andersee | prpplague: edit device_table.txt of course |
| 19:21.30 | prpplague | andersee: right i have all that working |
| 19:21.31 | andersee | :) |
| 19:21.49 | prpplague | andersee: just a little confused on the naming scheme |
| 19:21.57 | file | why do agents get me, a tech, involved in stuff? |
| 19:22.09 | prpplague | andersee: i have a custom Sharp lh79520 |
| 19:22.31 | prpplague | andersee: do i use sharp/boardname or sharp/lh79520/boardname |
| 19:22.49 | prpplague | andersee: or retailername/boardname |
| 19:24.16 | andersee | prpplague: seen the docs? |
| 19:24.19 | andersee | prpplague: http://buildroot.uclibc.org/buildroot.html |
| 19:24.57 | prpplague | yea i read over it, but didn't see anything relevant |
| 19:25.15 | andersee | prpplague: I would go with sharp/boardname/ |
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| 19:25.42 | andersee | prpplague: If that isn't specific enough, add whatever you need to make it more specific |
| 19:26.12 | prpplague | andersee: ok thats whay i was leaning towards as well |
| 19:27.41 | prpplague | andersee: so when i'm done just submit the patch to add the device to the patchsystem? |
| 19:28.17 | andersee | yep |
| 19:28.23 | prpplague | -urN ? |
| 19:29.04 | andersee | yep |
| 19:29.13 | andersee | might want to --exclude .svn too |
| 19:29.21 | andersee | just in case |
| 19:30.00 | prpplague | andersee: yea, i have then dirs removed |
| 19:30.04 | prpplague | those |
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| 20:43.44 | chouimat | http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result <----- look nice |
| 20:44.02 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:44.12 | CosmicPenguin | thats the topic of the day, aparently |
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| 20:49.37 | prpplague | hmm, can some of the 2.4 kernels not be compiled with newer gcc's? |
| 20:50.59 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think so |
| 20:51.10 | CosmicPenguin | there was a break in there somewhere - We always had to patch 2.4.24 to make it work with OE |
| 20:53.20 | prpplague | yea looks to be a change from -mshort-load-bytes to -malignment-traps |
| 20:53.39 | CosmicPenguin | some pragmas changed too, iirc |
| 20:53.40 | prpplague | have to add another patch |
| 20:53.50 | prpplague | hmm |
| 20:53.54 | prpplague | testing now |
| 20:54.37 | prpplague | bummer |
| 20:54.52 | prpplague | i was hope'n to build a kernel with buildroot |
| 20:54.59 | prpplague | but that doesn't look to be happening |
| 20:55.34 | prpplague | " error: asm-specifier for variable `__r1' conflicts with asm clobber list" |
| 20:57.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i'll try a little older gcc |
| 21:20.49 | prpplague | hmm 3.3.5 built ok, trying to compile the kernel now |
| 21:22.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems to be building the kernel |
| 21:23.12 | prpplague | doh |
| 21:23.14 | prpplague | just died |
| 21:23.21 | prpplague | same error |
| 21:25.56 | CosmicPenguin | ack |
| 21:26.00 | CosmicPenguin | keep going, I guess |
| 21:27.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 3.3.5 is the lowest gcc that buildroot supports at the momment |
| 21:27.35 | prpplague | bummmmmmer |
| 21:28.53 | CosmicPenguin | What KV? |
| 21:29.09 | prpplague | what? |
| 21:29.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh sorry 2.4.17 |
| 21:29.52 | prpplague | seems to be choking on a blkgetsize64 call |
| 21:34.42 | prpplague | keep getting the same error |
| 21:35.00 | prpplague | guess the asm clobber list changed |
| 21:35.23 | CosmicPenguin | ugh |
| 21:35.31 | CosmicPenguin | 2.4.17 is way old - it might need a pre 3 gcc |
| 21:36.24 | CosmicPenguin | Some one should make a matrix |
| 21:36.41 | CosmicPenguin | I nominate you |
| 21:37.56 | prpplague | hehe no way d00d |
| 21:38.52 | prpplague | yea looks to be an issue with the clober list, i found several email posts with similiar problems |
| 21:43.29 | CosmicPenguin | I've been using netjuke in the past |
| 21:45.33 | CosmicPenguin | I like how they have mpd support |
| 21:45.44 | prpplague | ha found a patch |
| 21:46.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably go with 3.3.6 |
| 21:47.15 | CosmicPenguin | That won't be too bad |
| 21:48.44 | prpplague | hehe died at the very last |
| 21:49.02 | prpplague | hehe with a -mno-fpu |
| 21:49.05 | prpplague | error |
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| 22:15.26 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm |
| 22:15.32 | CosmicPenguin | jinzora is a bit buggy |
| 22:15.34 | CosmicPenguin | but its pretty cool |
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| 22:42.01 | CosmicPenguin | I lied - it pissed me off |
| 22:47.23 | CosmicPenguin | If I can't exclude a song from a random list, its not for me |
| 23:16.16 | Genesis | bonne nuti |
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