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| 14:55.15 | file[laptop] | T0mW: you wish. |
| 14:55.20 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:55.38 | prpplague | T0mW: holiday in barbados |
| 14:55.47 | prpplague | T0mW: its independence week |
| 14:55.54 | T0mW | It was so quiet, I normally see a bunch of msgs here in the morning when I drag my butt up |
| 14:56.04 | file[laptop] | destroy mornings. |
| 14:56.09 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, just a "week"? |
| 14:56.28 | T0mW | prpplague: funny thing with mmc |
| 14:57.16 | T0mW | prpplague: if I start my program from the JTAG I can use the mmc card. |
| 14:57.49 | T0mW | but, if I do it from a power-on-reset / reset, then I cannot get past the first data sector read. |
| 14:58.04 | prpplague | odd |
| 14:58.27 | T0mW | maybe the jtag config file has something in there that I'm forgetting to do? |
| 14:58.42 | T0mW | set some bit in the MAM or something |
| 14:58.50 | prpplague | possibly |
| 14:59.29 | T0mW | prpplague: well, if you're ready for it, I'll send you the snippet I've got so far. |
| 14:59.46 | prpplague | T0mW: ok cool |
| 14:59.48 | prpplague | thanks |
| 14:59.53 | T0mW | prpplague: prolly end up with missing .h files, heh |
| 15:00.12 | T0mW | ~prpplague |
| 15:00.14 | ibot | it has been said that prpplague is mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 15:06.03 | fishhead | http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/sony_raids_hack.html <--- hahahah the rootkit drm story gets worse, it turns out the drm on the music cd makes windows VISTA go down in flames |
| 15:07.39 | T0mW | prpplague: sent. Basically, you will start from iface/ dir stuff which takes your function calls into mmc/ subdir |
| 15:07.56 | prpplague | T0mW: probably won;t get to it today |
| 15:08.05 | prpplague | T0mW: trying to finish up with some buildroot stuff |
| 15:08.30 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm pretty sure that you won't need newlib or anything, just what is essentially in those two dirs |
| 15:08.56 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 15:09.10 | prpplague | T0mW: my code works but it is terrible |
| 15:09.33 | T0mW | prpplague: beware of the errno return values, they are not "standard", just what I plugged in in a hurry. |
| 15:10.19 | T0mW | prpplague: well, it would be good to have someone else using the code |
| 15:28.07 | prpplague | ugh yet another bug to squash for my buildroot :( |
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| 15:40.33 | T0mW | prpplague: green legs, yellow eyes and slimy purple body? Yup seen that one from time to time |
| 15:41.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
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| 15:46.47 | prpplague | T0mW: seem to be having a problem as the kernel wants to use softfloat during compile, but the uclibc wants to be compiled with hard since the kernel has fpu emulation |
| 15:47.52 | prpplague | Russ: hey hey |
| 15:47.57 | prpplague | Russ: long time no see |
| 16:02.27 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:06.16 | prpplague | hmm, if i'm running uclibc with soft-float, the fpu emulation in the shouldn't then...... |
| 16:14.20 | chouimat | hmmmm lpc3000 |
| 16:15.05 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... |
| 16:15.19 | CosmicPenguin | I think I'm bouncing stuff from the mips mailing list |
| 16:26.54 | CosmicPenguin | heh - system was up too long |
| 16:27.00 | CosmicPenguin | my macros changed out from underneath me |
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| 16:36.08 | prpplague | ~lart kergoth |
| 16:36.27 | prpplague | kergoth: morning crack baby |
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| 17:05.21 | T0mW | prpplague: the problem appears to be in my MMC interface code. There seems to be something in the MMC initialization. |
| 17:05.47 | prpplague | probably some timin |
| 17:06.09 | T0mW | prpplague: I hacked the Circuit Cellar HALayer.c to service my fatlayer.c and it is working now. |
| 17:06.48 | T0mW | prpplague: at least it doesn't appear to be a broken wire / cold solder joint... whew! |
| 17:06.55 | prpplague | i'm totally confused on this softfloat issue |
| 17:07.09 | T0mW | I haven't been there |
| 17:08.10 | T0mW | chouimat: can we put uClinux in an LPC3000 ? |
| 17:08.36 | chouimat | T0mW: uclinux is ported to the lpc22xx |
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| 17:09.48 | T0mW | chouimat: ooo! |
| 17:10.18 | T0mW | chouimat: but that isn't a single chip solution, right? external DRAM / Flash though? |
| 17:10.59 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 17:11.10 | chouimat | T0mW: its as 256kb flash and 16 kb ram on chip and an external memory bus |
| 17:11.22 | T0mW | ah |
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| 17:18.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the Au1500 has a fpu? |
| 17:19.23 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 17:19.30 | jbevren | yes |
| 17:19.52 | prpplague | hmm, wonder why the has_fpu flag is set in the uclibc build |
| 17:19.58 | prpplague | jbevren: ? |
| 17:20.09 | jbevren | <CosmicPenguin:#elinux> no |
| 17:20.11 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:20.30 | prpplague | jbevren: just being malcious? |
| 17:20.44 | jbevren | yeah, just being a sh!thead :) |
| 17:21.38 | CosmicPenguin | The Au1 core does not implement hardware floating-point. As a result, all floating-point instructions |
| 17:21.38 | CosmicPenguin | generate the Reserved Instruction (RI) exception, which permits floating-point operations to be emulated |
| 17:21.38 | CosmicPenguin | in software. |
| 17:22.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, so why isn't the soft-float flag set in uclibc then? |
| 17:22.58 | CosmicPenguin | not sure |
| 17:23.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm totally confused |
| 17:23.30 | CosmicPenguin | I don't really know how all that works |
| 17:23.38 | CosmicPenguin | floating point is evil |
| 17:23.44 | prpplague | me either thats the problem |
| 17:24.15 | CosmicPenguin | andersee is the guy to as |
| 17:24.16 | CosmicPenguin | k |
| 17:24.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the arm compile has -msoft-float set which appears to cause all kinda of problems with my uclibc build that has set for hardware fpu since i'm running a fpu emulator in the kernel |
| 17:25.37 | CP|Laptop | I don't know how mips fp is handled |
| 17:25.46 | CP|Laptop | I know it calls a trap when a floating point instruction is called |
| 17:25.51 | CP|Laptop | from there, its a freakin' mystery |
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| 17:26.47 | BeBrA | hi |
| 17:27.08 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: like I said, grab andersee or sjhill next time you see them - I'm sure they'll know all the good stuff |
| 17:27.17 | BeBrA | I'm using ptxdist to create an hd image, but I have problem with partitions... can you help me? |
| 17:27.55 | file | please god no I don't want to have to go into the rate management intranet to look this up |
| 17:28.06 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: yea reading that now |
| 17:28.07 | file | AHA |
| 17:28.25 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: looks like the best case it to run soft-float |
| 17:28.58 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/mailinglists/faq.php#f3 |
| 17:29.29 | CP|Laptop | its like buildroot, only not as good |
| 17:31.03 | BeBrA | CP|Laptop: i tried ptxdist instead of buildroot because ptxdist can create a bootable image |
| 17:31.32 | CP|Laptop | last time I looked, so could buildroot |
| 17:31.34 | CP|Laptop | and OE for that matter |
| 17:32.31 | BeBrA | CP|Laptop: I can't understand how to include kernel and modules on buildroot, to I can create a bootable image |
| 17:33.59 | file | since I was hired we have gone through another 25 support agents... hahahahaha |
| 17:35.15 | BeBrA | CP|Laptop. this is the script used by ptxdist to generate bootable image: |
| 17:35.15 | BeBrA | http://pastebin.com/414958 |
| 17:36.11 | prpplague | BeBrA: hehe whats so hard about addition kernel and modules to buildroot? |
| 17:36.22 | prpplague | BeBrA: there are several examples |
| 17:37.12 | BeBrA | prpplague: on target subdir? |
| 17:37.25 | prpplague | BeBrA: yea |
| 17:37.28 | CP|Laptop | ew - you have to specify the geometry of your target device? |
| 17:37.49 | CP|Laptop | alow me to say uuuuggggllyyy |
| 17:38.23 | prpplague | BeBrA: i've add three different devices since monday |
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| 17:40.03 | BeBrA | CP|Laptop: yes, I have:C/H/S=489/2/32 |
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| 17:40.21 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: with hard fpu in uclibc i can build to the very last step of the kernel, but with soft fpu i get tons of errors :( |
| 17:41.06 | BeBrA | prpplague: I'm trying to understand examples on target |
| 17:41.20 | prpplague | and? |
| 17:43.19 | BeBrA | and I really can't understand what I'm doing :D |
| 17:44.38 | prpplague | BeBrA: hmm, the one for the Au1500 is pretty clear |
| 17:46.20 | CP|Laptop | I'm a little ashamed to say I don't have a clue how soft float works |
| 17:46.27 | CP|Laptop | they say, "turn it on for this platform" and I do |
| 17:46.50 | CP|Laptop | but like I said before, I try really hard to avoid floating point all together |
| 17:47.40 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: i understand the idea of an fpu, its all the compilier options that i don't understand |
| 17:48.57 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: i'm so close to having this complete, just a couple of last issues |
| 17:49.38 | BeBrA | prpplague: Au1500 seems to be clear. so I can take this example to create my own device |
| 17:50.29 | prpplague | BeBrA: yep |
| 17:51.59 | BeBrA | hmm net4521 seems to be also x86 (like my target) |
| 17:52.21 | BeBrA | and also epia of course |
| 17:52.51 | prpplague | BeBrA: yea but the au1500 has the best example for adding a linux kernel and other options |
| 17:53.47 | BeBrA | ok, I'll take a look after dinner and before juve football match. tnx for now |
| 18:26.19 | BeBrA | does make clean not remove compile sources? |
| 18:26.56 | BeBrA | [on buildroot?] |
| 18:39.48 | prpplague | BeBrA: no |
| 18:40.01 | prpplague | BeBrA: i've not had a change to look at all the clean options |
| 18:40.19 | prpplague | BeBrA: but at first glance they aren't matching what i would expect |
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| 19:00.44 | prpplague | andersee: howdy howdy |
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| 20:09.07 | prpplague | anyone which of the gcc 3.3.x series is the most stable for arm? |
| 20:29.04 | mindfunk | prpplague: interesting |
| 20:29.13 | mindfunk | prpplague: do you mean for cross compile? |
| 20:29.24 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:29.28 | mindfunk | prpplague: ok |
| 20:29.41 | prpplague | mindfunk: right now i'm testing some builds with 3.3.2 and 3.3.5 |
| 20:30.00 | mindfunk | prpplague: I'm currently seeing a rather bizare thing: over time, it seems like gcc is corrupting itself when running on the arm |
| 20:30.20 | mindfunk | basically, it starts to segfault, where it used to work perfectly |
| 20:30.22 | prpplague | oh? |
| 20:30.29 | prpplague | that is interesting |
| 20:30.31 | mindfunk | on the exact same code |
| 20:30.47 | mindfunk | ...across reboots even |
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| 20:47.14 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:47.28 | T0mW | prpplague: don't use that mmc code, just look it over to see the structure. When you are ready, I'll give you corrected code. ok? |
| 20:49.43 | T0mW | mindfunk: I'm using gcc-3.4.3 and binutils-2.15 right now on LPC2000's, seems to be ok |
| 20:50.17 | T0mW | mindfunk: and newlib-1.13.0 |
| 20:50.22 | mindfunk | right... I have no idea what the issue is |
| 20:50.28 | kergoth | issue? |
| 20:50.34 | T0mW | mindfunk: plain C or C++ |
| 20:50.39 | mindfunk | C |
| 20:51.34 | mindfunk | kergoth: um... I think I have a borked rootfs... it seems like gcc (running on an H4) is corrupting itself over time |
| 20:51.38 | MonMotha | hum, I'm still trying to figure out what's up with this binary |
| 20:51.43 | mindfunk | I blame MV, personally |
| 20:51.44 | kergoth | mindfunk: what's the behavior? |
| 20:51.49 | MonMotha | there appear to be some debugging symbols that aren't being used |
| 20:51.59 | MonMotha | is it possible that a lib got statically linked in w/ debugging? |
| 20:52.10 | mindfunk | so, I compile and run lmbench a few times, then gcc starts to segfault |
| 20:52.20 | kergoth | ow |
| 20:52.22 | mindfunk | even across boots |
| 20:52.28 | T0mW | mindfunk: crosstools says it fails to build the kernel properly under 3.3.6 |
| 20:52.55 | mindfunk | this is running on the arm, not cross compiling, fyi |
| 20:53.07 | T0mW | oh, native |
| 20:53.23 | kergoth | ah.. never seen that.. but i dont remember the last time i built native either |
| 20:53.31 | mindfunk | right |
| 20:53.42 | mindfunk | I'm debating ignoring it |
| 20:53.46 | T0mW | kergoth: I did that once, once. compiling something took forever |
| 20:54.04 | mindfunk | I just copied over a "pristine" MV rootfs, if it doesn't happen there... |
| 20:54.13 | kergoth | nod. i do just a ./configure natively on occasion to populate test results for crosscompiles, and even /that/ takes forever |
| 20:54.18 | kergoth | nod |
| 20:54.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:55.00 | mindfunk | hrm |
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| 22:15.06 | jbevren | hm |
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| 22:49.29 | jbevren | hillio |
| 22:50.37 | sjhill | jbevren: are you lookin' at me? Huh? |
| 22:50.45 | jbevren | maybe |
| 22:50.51 | jbevren | you got a problem wit dat? |
| 22:50.55 | jbevren | :) |
| 22:51.05 | sjhill | your eyes might hurt after a while, but no |
| 22:51.11 | jbevren | hehe |
| 22:51.52 | sjhill | well, i should go home soon |
| 22:52.05 | sjhill | ciao |
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| 23:25.37 | CosmicPenguin | ugh |
| 23:26.00 | markl__ | what happened? |
| 23:26.45 | CosmicPenguin | I've only been here a year and 3/4ths and I've already accumulated an amazing amount of crap |
| 23:27.13 | markl__ | heh how does it compare to your old office at century |
| 23:27.21 | markl__ | probably a lot more modern set of crap |
| 23:27.51 | CosmicPenguin | more x86 |
| 23:27.53 | CosmicPenguin | thats for sure |
| 23:28.14 | CosmicPenguin | and the crap at Century was just the crap that Jon didn't want in his office |
| 23:39.00 | Genesis | T0mW are you here ? |
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| 23:44.23 | Genesis | http://www.silabs.com/tgwWebApp/public/web_content/products/Microcontrollers/en/ToolStick.htm |
| 23:52.54 | Genesis | http://www.silabs.com/tgwWebApp/public/web_content/products/Microcontrollers/en/mcu_developmenttools.htm |
| 23:52.57 | Genesis | it's cheap |
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| 23:59.05 | T0mW | Genesis: I am here |
| 23:59.23 | Genesis | T0mW : do u dev on 8051 core ? |
| 23:59.28 | T0mW | Genesis: yeah |
| 23:59.49 | Genesis | what do you think of this board ? |
| 23:59.55 | Genesis | i'd like to dev with linux |