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| 01:00.57 | cdm | woodgrain - well, OS hackers basically do just that. ;) |
| 01:03.29 | MonMotha | woodgrain: asking more specific questions than "doesn't anyone use/do foo" generally gets more responses since people tend to only respond to things they are familiar with |
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| 14:20.37 | tiny | Hi! I have a 512 MB CF card with an industrial board PC. Are there any linux distros that specificaly deal with CF cards? |
| 14:21.06 | tiny | Issue here is to build the system that will not wear out this CF card. |
| 14:21.08 | MonMotha | in general, they act like IDE hard drives, you can run whatever you want on them |
| 14:21.28 | MonMotha | and the only way you'll wear it out is with something like a journal. Use ext2 and you'll be fine |
| 14:21.44 | MonMotha | wearing out flash is much, much harder to do than many people think |
| 14:21.59 | MonMotha | if your flash translation layer on the card does wear leveling, it's a complete non-issue |
| 14:22.51 | tiny | heh ... this is good then ... so how do I find out if my card does this wear leveling thing? |
| 14:24.00 | MonMotha | in general, you don't |
| 14:24.21 | MonMotha | I believe that most of them do, but generalizations like that are not good things to live by |
| 14:24.39 | prpplague | techincally the only way to know for sure is open it up, find the controller chip, and check the manufacturers datasheet |
| 14:25.49 | MonMotha | because cracking open a CF card is so easy :) |
| 14:27.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: actually it usually is, just got to know the secrets |
| 14:27.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe |
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| 14:27.45 | tiny | Hmm .. this simplifys things alot. What about syslog deamons and such? Wouldn't they wear out a CF card? Should I mount /var directory as tmpfs or something? |
| 14:28.25 | prpplague | tiny: alot of ppl will use a ramdisk for storing temp files |
| 14:29.04 | beeble | for developing you can use remote syslog |
| 14:29.18 | beeble | or debugging |
| 14:29.19 | MonMotha | prpplague: I see... |
| 14:29.32 | MonMotha | and yes, using a tmpfs for /var is popular |
| 14:29.40 | beeble | tmpfs is a good idea too or nfs mount if you need a lot of space |
| 14:29.43 | MonMotha | as is using a ramdisk (in one way or another) for / |
| 14:30.18 | MonMotha | many embedded systems I've used use an initrd to either run the system or copy the real system into a tmpfs then pivot, then mount anything they need readonly off the hard drive or flash |
| 14:30.27 | MonMotha | it's faster and doesn't wear your flash at all |
| 14:31.16 | MonMotha | one thing to remember though is that startup times will suffer in both instances, but usually more in the first (since on x86 systems, the BIOS is usually pretty dumb about how it accesses hard drives) |
| 14:31.40 | beeble | btw, there is a software (n)ftl in the linux tree and jffs2 is always a alternative against wearout |
| 14:32.21 | MonMotha | beeble: but you can't use that on ATA flash cards, at least not without doing a MTD loopback off the device |
| 14:32.23 | tiny | Here is where I get a little lost ... initrd, pivot,remounting ... Where could I read about this? |
| 14:33.05 | MonMotha | google? :) Either that or see the URL in topic |
| 14:34.01 | beeble | oh, yes i forgot. i normaly dont use cf cards so i mix this up |
| 14:34.33 | MonMotha | beeble: understandable. Actually, with old PCMCIA flash cards "linear flash", it just shows up as a bunch of NOR flash, so you can run JFFS2 on it |
| 14:34.55 | beeble | i have to live with 4mb onboard flash ;) |
| 14:35.28 | beeble | but acctualy its easier for me cause i dont have to add an cf adapter in the schematics ;) |
| 14:35.40 | tiny | I find working with onboard flash+jffs2 much simpler |
| 14:35.53 | prpplague | beeble: whats the matter with spi based sd/mmc ? |
| 14:36.11 | beeble | its no matter, its just one port more i have to protect |
| 14:36.31 | beeble | (electical/mechanical) |
| 14:36.31 | prpplague | beeble: protect? |
| 14:36.33 | MonMotha | tiny: well, if you get to spec out the CF card, easiest thing to do is just get one that does wear leveling and treat it like a slow hard drive |
| 14:37.25 | beeble | prpplague: its no problem if i use it internal only |
| 14:37.46 | beeble | but most customers want it changeable if they get them with a cf slot |
| 14:37.59 | tiny | MonMotha: thanks |
| 14:38.57 | beeble | so i would have to add a slot in the case -> emc/ip classification |
| 14:39.41 | MonMotha | prpplague: do you know of any brands that always do wear leveling on their CF? |
| 14:41.12 | prpplague | MonMotha: to be honest, i've not used CF in ages, i either use sd/mmc or xD |
| 14:41.35 | MonMotha | fewer wires |
| 14:42.54 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:43.08 | beeble | whats about the prices? is mmc and cf the same price nowdays? |
| 14:43.18 | prpplague | cheaper IMHO |
| 14:43.36 | MonMotha | for a long time, SD was always $10 more than CF, but these days it's gotten to be the same |
| 14:43.44 | MonMotha | I think SD/MMC got more popular due to the smaller formfactor |
| 14:59.35 | MonMotha | dammit, I think I just had a cap blow up on me in my computer |
| 15:00.19 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:02.20 | MonMotha | there was a nice pop and a couple caps are nice a bulgy |
| 15:02.27 | MonMotha | time to order some replacements I guess |
| 15:02.30 | MonMotha | either that or just build a new system |
| 15:05.59 | MonMotha | I've been running it pretty hard recently, lots of h.264 encoding, so I guess there's probably been plenty of juice moving to/from those things |
| 15:14.15 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:19.34 | prpplague | brb |
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| 15:28.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey crack baby |
| 15:29.11 | CosmicPenguin | yo |
| 15:30.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats cookin? |
| 15:30.23 | CosmicPenguin | Gettin' ready to head to Germany on Saturday |
| 15:30.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh too cool |
| 15:31.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: your wife going?(i started to make a bad joke with words like baggage and such) |
| 15:32.32 | Crofton_|laptop | I have to work my ass of to get money for them |
| 15:32.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nope, just me |
| 15:32.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for how long? |
| 15:32.49 | CosmicPenguin | 1 week |
| 15:32.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: amd stuff or conference? |
| 15:32.53 | Crofton_|laptop | as in half a 6 hour work shop in 1 week |
| 15:32.57 | CosmicPenguin | amd stuff, as usual |
| 15:33.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: interesting none the less |
| 15:33.32 | Crofton_|laptop | or different at least |
| 15:33.45 | Crofton_|laptop | from our perspective at least |
| 15:33.51 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 15:34.19 | Crofton_|laptop | heh, me neither |
| 15:34.30 | Crofton_|laptop | although oce I have papers, that can change |
| 15:35.09 | file[laptop] | I am so royally cheating to attend a conference in San Jose |
| 15:35.20 | prpplague | Crofton_|laptop: yea that hamper things |
| 15:35.21 | Crofton_|laptop | in what way? |
| 15:35.23 | file[laptop] | I'm flying out to Virginia for a job interview, then flying from there to San Jose, then back to Virginia, then home |
| 15:35.35 | Crofton_|laptop | heh |
| 15:35.39 | Crofton_|laptop | where in VA? |
| 15:35.41 | file[laptop] | they said they don't care when I leave Virginia, as long as I leave there and go home they'll pay for it |
| 15:35.44 | file[laptop] | Williamsburg |
| 15:35.56 | prpplague | have they already selected papers for this years OLS? |
| 15:35.57 | Crofton_|laptop | I'm in Blacksburg |
| 15:36.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: call for papers just went out |
| 15:36.08 | Crofton_|laptop | hmmm |
| 15:36.17 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:36.18 | file[laptop] | when is OLS? |
| 15:36.19 | Crofton_|laptop | url for cfp? |
| 15:36.32 | CosmicPenguin | 7/12-7/22 |
| 15:36.34 | CosmicPenguin | err |
| 15:36.36 | CosmicPenguin | 7/19-7/22 |
| 15:36.47 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2006/cfp.php |
| 15:37.01 | prpplague | anyone submitting papers? |
| 15:37.11 | file[laptop] | in Ottawa, that's a hop and a skip away for me by plane |
| 15:37.20 | CosmicPenguin | I'm working on an abstract for the CELF confrence in April |
| 15:37.30 | CosmicPenguin | but I doubt I'll do one for OLS - I don't have anything interesting to talk about |
| 15:37.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 15:37.41 | Crofton_|laptop | Feb 1 is dealine for proposal |
| 15:38.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm tinkering with the idea of submitting something, just don't know what |
| 15:40.13 | CosmicPenguin | I wish I did, but its probably better for somebody with more interesting stuff to talk about to apply |
| 15:40.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:40.53 | CosmicPenguin | A processor equivelent to the Pentium doesn't really put me on the bleeding edge of Linux thought |
| 15:41.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm sure there is some aspect of your dev that is unique |
| 15:41.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that can be applied in other ways |
| 15:42.35 | CosmicPenguin | Most of our most original thought has been in the area of dragging the x86 in to the embedded world kicking and screaming |
| 15:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | In other words, making it act like all the other processors |
| 15:43.16 | Crofton_|laptop | That could be interesting |
| 15:43.23 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:43.32 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what my talk will be at CELF |
| 15:43.50 | CosmicPenguin | s/talk/talk proposal/ |
| 15:44.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd like to hear a good discussion on why you cross compile for your platforms |
| 15:44.08 | CosmicPenguin | Let me vote - I don't like that feature at all |
| 15:44.20 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, its cool and all |
| 15:44.23 | CosmicPenguin | but still |
| 15:44.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe i gathered |
| 15:45.24 | Crofton_|laptop | I suspect anything I propose for OLS would be to far from anything they would accept :) |
| 15:45.54 | Crofton_|laptop | s/gathered/gathered CP is a monkey/ |
| 15:46.04 | Crofton_|laptop | bother |
| 15:46.17 | Crofton_|laptop | at least it won't rewrite what others say :) |
| 15:46.18 | prpplague | Crofton_|laptop: i thinking about doing it just as practice in doing the writeup and such |
| 15:46.35 | Crofton_|laptop | anything I do wuol dbe cool thins I do that use Linux |
| 15:47.05 | Crofton_|laptop | I need to see if I can cast anything as closer to linux and less software defined radio |
| 15:47.08 | prpplague | OLS is more techincal |
| 15:47.23 | Crofton_|laptop | yeah, I just skimmed last years papers |
| 15:51.13 | CosmicPenguin | Hopefully I'll get to go to OLS this year |
| 15:51.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was kinda thinking about doing something about the APEX bootloader |
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| 16:28.52 | prpplague | sjhill: well hell(o) there |
| 16:29.16 | sjhill | prpplague: hey cabanna boy |
| 16:29.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:29.48 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, might actually be back in the states soon |
| 16:36.48 | prpplague | HA |
| 16:37.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as long as it isn't as bad as the sa-1110 ud |
| 16:37.10 | prpplague | udc |
| 16:37.25 | CosmicPenguin | I've actually seen this code work |
| 16:37.38 | CosmicPenguin | So I think thats one up on the SA-1100 stuff |
| 16:37.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:37.45 | beeble | CosmicPenguin: oh you have an au1200 board? |
| 16:37.53 | CosmicPenguin | beeble: you might say that... :) |
| 16:37.53 | prpplague | beeble: HA |
| 16:38.12 | beeble | we ruined our display ;) |
| 16:38.27 | prpplague | kinda like asking if huge heffner has naked women |
| 16:38.33 | beeble | lol |
| 16:38.35 | CosmicPenguin | beeble: Like you let the blue smoke out sort of ruined? |
| 16:39.09 | beeble | like, backlight wont response ever |
| 16:39.37 | beeble | no real problem because we stopped evulating it and the external vga interface is still working |
| 16:39.54 | beeble | what do you use it for? settop boxes? |
| 16:41.37 | beeble | ok ok ;) |
| 16:42.32 | beeble | oh and of course usb2.0 |
| 16:42.33 | CosmicPenguin | thats really what the Au1200 is |
| 16:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | +video -safenet |
| 16:43.00 | beeble | there is no mac |
| 16:43.03 | beeble | iirc |
| 16:43.12 | CosmicPenguin | No - thats true |
| 16:43.42 | beeble | and usb ethernetnet. hmm, i doubt them a little bit ;) |
| 16:43.53 | CosmicPenguin | well, usb is usb |
| 16:44.43 | prpplague | usbnet is pretty solid as long as the UDC isn't buggy |
| 16:44.47 | prpplague | i.e. sa-1110 |
| 16:45.05 | CosmicPenguin | Well, on this case, the au1200 would probably be running as the host |
| 16:45.19 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:45.32 | prpplague | just using a usb->eth adapter? |
| 16:45.42 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah |
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| 16:46.15 | CosmicPenguin | I guess you could do it in reverse too - we actually tested our UDC and OTG by going AU1200 <-> AU1200 |
| 16:46.24 | CosmicPenguin | which may not be the best way, but there aren't a lot of boxes out there than can do OTG |
| 16:47.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: interesting |
| 16:48.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i would venture you probably should actually test with one of the supported adapters |
| 16:48.10 | prpplague | imho |
| 16:48.29 | CosmicPenguin | You name a OTG platform to test with, and I would |
| 16:49.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just mean a basic usb->eth adapter |
| 16:49.33 | CosmicPenguin | Well, thats different |
| 16:49.37 | CosmicPenguin | that has nothing to do with UDC or OTG |
| 16:50.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why is that? |
| 16:50.28 | CosmicPenguin | Because that would be just a straight USB device connection - or are we getting ourselves confused again? |
| 16:51.11 | prpplague | hmm, i thought that was what beeble was refering to |
| 16:51.39 | prpplague | <beeble> and usb ethernetnet. hmm, i doubt them a little bit ;) |
| 16:52.06 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - yeah, that is a little confusing |
| 16:52.16 | CosmicPenguin | USB->ETH would be a common OCHI/EHCI sort of connection, IMHO |
| 16:52.31 | CosmicPenguin | USBNet would involve the AU1200 as a client coming from a desktop (UDC) |
| 16:52.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm probably out of it, donna had me try taking some of that st.johns wort and it has me feeling spaced out |
| 16:52.45 | CosmicPenguin | And then you could also do USBNet with OTG going both ways |
| 16:52.56 | CosmicPenguin | but for that you would need an OTG platform on the other side too |
| 16:53.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that stuff is bad - you should stick with coffee and beer |
| 16:53.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i've found that out |
| 16:53.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you ever tried it? |
| 16:53.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or just read about it? |
| 16:53.36 | beeble | i meant usb <->eth in the ehci way |
| 16:53.43 | CosmicPenguin | I think my mom took it for a while |
| 16:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | but I've heard stories |
| 16:54.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: like what? |
| 16:54.14 | CosmicPenguin | Just the usual spaciness |
| 16:54.38 | CosmicPenguin | You know, like when you drink 5 coffees and a green tea, and you can keep your eyes focused on the screen? |
| 16:54.41 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:55.03 | file | I have on my glasses of doom... thus the world will be destroyed today |
| 16:55.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 16:55.29 | beeble | working on that btw http://www.narf.at/~beeble/IMG_0406.JPG |
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| 16:55.57 | file | TIM! |
| 16:56.59 | Crofton | file, what kind of job are you looking for in Williamsburg? |
| 16:58.19 | file | Crofton: I got offered one doing web/rfid/misc work |
| 16:58.25 | Crofton | ah |
| 16:58.28 | prpplague | beeble: ugh whats that white spot near one of the bga packages? |
| 16:58.36 | Crofton | A friend of mine works at William and Mary |
| 16:58.47 | beeble | prpplague: reflection ;) |
| 16:58.48 | file | they wanted someone young they could train/manipulate(haha) to what they wanted |
| 16:58.53 | beeble | crappy cam |
| 16:58.54 | Crofton | heh |
| 16:59.06 | Crofton | someone who will work for long hours with low pay |
| 16:59.25 | TimRiker | anyone hacking hdtv yet? I'm looking at the USDTV box. It's for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5849862303 $89 HDTV receiver, runs Linux, supports composite output at 1080i |
| 16:59.28 | file | ha |
| 16:59.37 | prpplague | hmm, wonder why 4 ram and 4 flash, are there two banks with x16 chips? |
| 16:59.41 | CosmicPenguin | beeble: hmm... interesting |
| 16:59.54 | beeble | prpplague: yes |
| 16:59.57 | file | they're interested enough they are flying me out twice, for two weeks to try it out, fully compensated and paid |
| 17:00.13 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: the Geode LX VIP can handle 1080i, if you have a decoder handy |
| 17:00.14 | TimRiker | prpplague: whatcha hackin' today? |
| 17:00.30 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: so you have a complete system for < $100 ? |
| 17:00.33 | prpplague | TimRiker: nothing, just finishing up some legacy stuff |
| 17:00.40 | prpplague | beeble: thats an odd combination |
| 17:00.41 | beeble | prpplague: 32bit nor and 32bit ddr ram at two banks |
| 17:00.43 | Crofton | beeble, what is it for? |
| 17:00.52 | prpplague | beeble: why use 4 chips instead of 2 or 1? |
| 17:00.56 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: I guess you could in quantity |
| 17:01.21 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: ahh. there's the hitch. I'm not planning on buying in quantity. ;-) |
| 17:01.39 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: nod - an enterprising company could use it to make a box though |
| 17:01.57 | beeble | Crofton: its a terminal adapter/application plattform |
| 17:02.13 | CosmicPenguin | beeble: is that the 1550? |
| 17:02.21 | beeble | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 17:02.24 | prpplague | beeble: that sure doesn't look like a cost effective board |
| 17:02.29 | CosmicPenguin | beeble: are you using the safenet core? |
| 17:03.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what? |
| 17:03.26 | beeble | CosmicPenguin: not right now, the customer didnt pay for the support ;) |
| 17:03.33 | CosmicPenguin | beeble: ah, sure |
| 17:04.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: don't be bad mouthing the Alchemy - it can compete with your ARMs |
| 17:04.02 | beeble | prpplague: flexability, the board design was ready befor the final specification went out |
| 17:04.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but you may continue to bad mouth the Geode |
| 17:04.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, i was refereing to the flash/ram portion |
| 17:04.33 | CosmicPenguin | ohh... heh |
| 17:04.43 | beeble | CosmicPenguin: mycable claims to have full safenet support |
| 17:04.56 | prpplague | beeble: still, thats got to increase cost alot |
| 17:05.26 | CosmicPenguin | beeble: I guess it all depends on how much you need SSL |
| 17:05.38 | beeble | prpplague: no, amd wanted to sell this flash really bad. so the price was quite good ;) |
| 17:05.50 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - thats spansion flash? |
| 17:06.00 | beeble | yes, spansion mirrorbit nor |
| 17:06.13 | prpplague | beeble: ok, still i don't understanding going with x16 chips |
| 17:06.16 | CosmicPenguin | Sure enough |
| 17:06.28 | CosmicPenguin | of course, thats not AMD anymore - but close enough |
| 17:07.14 | prpplague | beeble: are those 32m16's ? |
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| 17:09.06 | beeble | no 512x16 (and there are afaik no 256x32) |
| 17:09.22 | prpplague | beeble: yea i mean the model number, 46V32M16 |
| 17:09.27 | prpplague | beeble: micron |
| 17:09.52 | beeble | oh, you mean the ram. i thought we are still at the flash |
| 17:09.58 | beeble | yes 32m16 |
| 17:10.36 | beeble | CosmicPenguin: they are using ssl for everything... |
| 17:10.40 | CosmicPenguin | beeble: oops |
| 17:10.56 | CosmicPenguin | And they still didn't want to negotiate with Safenet? How sad |
| 17:11.09 | beeble | but sooner or later they will come |
| 17:11.20 | beeble | they are using j9 too.. |
| 17:13.28 | beeble | prpplague: btw, x32 ddr from micron? |
| 17:13.47 | beeble | i think there is only x32 sdram |
| 17:14.40 | beeble | but dont know from other manufacturers |
| 17:19.56 | beeble | so, time to try 2.6.15-git on the board |
| 17:29.00 | prpplague | beeble: yea there is only x16 from micro |
| 17:31.49 | prpplague | interesting: |
| 17:31.51 | prpplague | Senator Kennedy and his dog |
| 17:31.51 | prpplague | Massachusetts legislator signs with Scholastic; children's book to give dog's-eye view of Senate. |
| 17:32.13 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure that Dog has seen some stuff not fit for children |
| 17:32.15 | prpplague | not sure if i want my kids learning about hookers, booze, and bribes |
| 17:35.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "a dog's eye view", i wonder if thats how he sees the rest of the united states citizens, dogs |
| 17:35.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: at least he gives us the benefit of being mammels |
| 17:35.25 | CosmicPenguin | s/mammals/ |
| 17:35.59 | Crofton | Dog's are republicans, why does Ted have one? |
| 17:36.01 | CosmicPenguin | Unlike our current president |
| 17:36.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:37.07 | Crofton | http://www.cagle.com/working/041026/kirk.jpg |
| 17:37.32 | Crofton | This is pretty funny, however if you are a republican, don't look up the original web site :) |
| 17:37.34 | CosmicPenguin | But its funny - making fun of Kennedy is a sport we can all enjoy |
| 17:38.03 | Crofton | It is only funny until someone brings up Michael Moore. |
| 17:38.13 | CosmicPenguin | And we can laugh at him too |
| 17:38.20 | CosmicPenguin | Also, Pat Robertson |
| 17:40.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:41.18 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - lets get UDC on all these people's asses |
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| 18:26.59 | T0mW | Hiho Hiho it's back to work I go!... |
| 18:27.12 | beeble | jippie booting |
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| 18:35.05 | mbuf | prpplague, you there? |
| 18:36.05 | prpplague | mbuf: depends on what you define as "there" |
| 18:36.32 | prpplague | mbuf: CosmicPenguin and kergoth would debate you on the percentage of my "there" ness |
| 18:37.05 | mbuf | prpplague, you have ln2410sbc board from littlechips right ? |
| 18:37.18 | prpplague | yea a couple |
| 18:37.37 | mbuf | i am having trouble blinking the leds, d2 and d3 on the board, can you help me now ? |
| 18:38.04 | prpplague | mbuf: 1) i don't have a board setup, 2) i'm working on a deadline for today |
| 18:38.15 | mbuf | prpplague, sorry then |
| 18:38.20 | prpplague | mbuf: other wise i would help |
| 18:38.24 | mbuf | prpplague, carry on, no problem |
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| 18:54.09 | prpplague | ls |
| 18:54.11 | prpplague | oops |
| 18:54.20 | file[desk] | sweet I get to play with speech recognition stuff |
| 18:54.55 | prpplague | file[desk]: that should be interesting |
| 18:55.28 | prpplague | file[desk]: you barely make sense to the rest of the humans, think what kind of trouble a computer will have |
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| 18:56.25 | T0mW | prpplague: different generations always have trouble understanding what the other is saying |
| 18:56.49 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, i was just harrasing file[desk] specifically, hehe |
| 18:57.08 | T0mW | trouble with linux is that when you write software for it, it runs forever. No callbacks |
| 18:58.08 | file[desk] | prpplague: :P |
| 18:58.16 | T0mW | I just spoke with a customer that I wrote a program for 3.5 years ago. Their old win2000 system would fsck up regularly. The linux rendition is like the Energizer Bunny. |
| 19:02.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:10.10 | T0mW | prpplague: cannot make any money that way... |
| 19:11.27 | T`2 | T0mW, so true :) |
| 19:12.10 | T0mW | T`2: yeah, I'll have to do honest work |
| 19:12.12 | T`2 | T0mW, wish linux kernel is like that.. it sucks they have to make live hard for driver developers :/ |
| 19:13.03 | prpplague | T0mW: just add some time keyed bugs |
| 19:13.17 | T0mW | T`2: 2.6 kernel is in a constant state of flux, it you want stability, stay with 2.4 |
| 19:13.35 | T0mW | prpplague: my personal ethics won't allow that, heh |
| 19:13.47 | T`2 | duh...its only stable because no one is developing on it actively |
| 19:13.51 | prpplague | T0mW: mine either, but its funny to suggest it |
| 19:14.17 | beeble | prpplague: no no, you must call them latent features ;) |
| 19:14.18 | prpplague | T`2: which is the way i like it |
| 19:14.21 | T0mW | prpplague: contract I had with a customer, many years ago, I had to certify that there were no "trojans" in the program. |
| 19:14.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:14.53 | T0mW | e.g. you don't pay me by this date, it will die |
| 19:15.01 | T`2 | lol |
| 19:15.23 | T0mW | T`2: hey, and they got the source code from the project!@ |
| 19:15.36 | T`2 | but ofcourse you can do something like: if you dont pay be by this date, the program performs at 10% efficiency |
| 19:15.56 | T0mW | bunch of assembly programmers anyhow, too bad if they cannot read high-level code. |
| 19:16.01 | T`2 | uhh.. most dumbasses ask for source code, but hardly even know whats going on inside |
| 19:16.11 | T0mW | nod |
| 19:16.11 | T`2 | hehe yea |
| 19:16.29 | T0mW | it is true, they finally hired someone who know's C, etc. |
| 19:16.38 | T`2 | yummy.. nutra grain cereal bar :-) |
| 19:16.40 | CosmicPenguin | I know C - he's a hell of a guy |
| 19:16.52 | T0mW | :-P |
| 19:17.28 | T`2 | knowing C is different from being able to understand a large project's code completely |
| 19:17.34 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: don't get him pissed off at you, I understand he can be a real problem sometimes |
| 19:17.50 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, he related to B ? |
| 19:18.06 | T0mW | no, he is D's father |
| 19:18.23 | T0mW | Whitesmiths' D language, circa 1990 |
| 19:18.26 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: yeah, and when he is pissed, he doesn't tell you much |
| 19:23.09 | beeble | hmm, screen in screen with minicom. i should remap the keys ;) |
| 19:44.09 | beeble | how do i set an env variable in uboot which is longer then 20 chars |
| 19:44.49 | beeble | its not \ as in yamon |
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| 19:53.29 | beeble | s/20/75/ |
| 20:08.02 | CosmicPenguin | looks like gmane has taken a dirtnap |
| 20:14.11 | beeble | oh, c&p work. there is just no echo |
| 21:06.07 | CosmicPenguin | holy sorphin |
| 21:08.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:08.33 | sorphin | i dunno about holy |
| 21:10.02 | CosmicPenguin | Hows the white-hat business? |
| 21:11.31 | sorphin | busy busy |
| 21:11.42 | sorphin | just bought new car to replace the mini |
| 21:11.44 | sorphin | as well |
| 21:12.00 | CosmicPenguin | what did ya get? |
| 21:13.20 | sorphin | 06 nissan 350z roadster |
| 21:17.41 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 21:44.26 | Crofton | kergoth, when do you start the new job? |
| 21:44.46 | kergoth | 16th |
| 21:44.52 | kergoth | not exactly a lot of time to work with :) |
| 21:44.56 | kergoth | driving out thursday morning |
| 21:44.57 | sorphin | another new gig? |
| 21:45.09 | kergoth | yep, the one here sucked ass, and they lied about the job when they hired me |
| 21:45.16 | kergoth | goign down to phoenix to work where russ does, on land warrior |
| 21:45.24 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:45.37 | Crofton | hopefully they let you use the goggles for games |
| 21:45.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:46.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, it's a fun car, and better built than the mini was |
| 21:46.07 | sorphin | and faster than kergoth's crossfire ;) |
| 21:46.08 | sorphin | lol |
| 21:46.16 | Crofton | Be sure to ask them if the radio is JTRS compatitible |
| 21:46.31 | kergoth | yeah, the 350z is indeed faster |
| 21:46.33 | kergoth | nice cars |
| 21:47.03 | sorphin | kergoth: 35,915 is what it was, just for even the 'enthusist' roadster |
| 21:47.20 | sorphin | the clutch is a pain to get used to tho |
| 21:47.36 | kergoth | not a bad price, thats what i paid for mine, roughly |
| 21:47.40 | sorphin | it's definately getting 'broken in' from the smell of things, heh |
| 21:47.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:48.07 | sorphin | its way tighter than anything i've driven before |
| 21:48.09 | kergoth | i love my car, but when you're unemployed, burning $650 a month or whatever, ow. |
| 21:48.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:48.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:48.20 | sorphin | $591/month |
| 21:48.24 | sorphin | 72 months |
| 21:48.29 | kergoth | better credit i'm sure, mine sucks |
| 21:48.37 | sorphin | 7.75% |
| 21:48.49 | kergoth | yeah, i think mine's like 10 :( |
| 21:48.53 | sorphin | heh, my warranty is as long as my financing |
| 21:49.03 | Crofton | heh, mine is 2% |
| 21:49.10 | Crofton | promo from Honda |
| 21:49.13 | kergoth | bastard |
| 21:49.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:49.15 | sorphin | Crofton: no promos on the Z |
| 21:49.20 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:49.25 | Crofton | I have an elephant |
| 21:49.28 | sorphin | there was $1000 rebate |
| 21:49.30 | sorphin | on the 05 |
| 21:49.42 | sorphin | but they already had to truck this thing up from Florida |
| 21:49.43 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:49.46 | sorphin | so... |
| 21:50.12 | sorphin | there were 2 of my exact color/style/features |
| 21:50.21 | sorphin | arkansas and florida |
| 21:50.32 | sorphin | and arkansas was being flakey |
| 21:50.53 | Crofton | kergoth, you know you can get free copies of your credit report now? |
| 21:51.03 | sorphin | not your score tho |
| 21:51.09 | sorphin | score still costs |
| 21:51.25 | Crofton | well, at least you can check for stuff that is not supposed to be there |
| 21:51.32 | kergoth | i have a recent copy, and i've seen the score from a recent check a company did for me when i was applying for something or other |
| 21:51.35 | kergoth | and it aint good |
| 21:51.40 | kergoth | gonna take quite a whlie to recover |
| 21:51.47 | Crofton | I had some crap on mine that wasn't deleted until out mrtgage guy told me to bitch them out |
| 21:51.53 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:52.06 | Crofton | but you may have to help them remove stuff |
| 21:52.11 | sorphin | Crofton: mine was all bad, till i had them investigate after i paid stuff off |
| 21:52.19 | sorphin | they did so |
| 21:52.23 | sorphin | and when it came back fine |
| 21:52.26 | sorphin | they removed the stuff |
| 21:52.27 | Crofton | I had a "tax lien" on mine |
| 21:52.33 | sorphin | transunion was the worst |
| 21:52.41 | Crofton | that was BS when they did it |
| 21:52.42 | sorphin | i'm low 700s |
| 21:52.45 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:52.54 | Crofton | but stuck for 12 years because I didn't know it was there |
| 21:53.02 | Crofton | or how to challenge it |
| 21:53.10 | kergoth | damn |
| 21:53.16 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:53.21 | kergoth | i was 650 or so when i applied for my house a few years back, now i'm down to like 550 :( |
| 21:53.21 | Crofton | Hmmm, I am thinking they were the ones who did that to me |
| 21:53.48 | sorphin | ouch |
| 21:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | My wife and I are trying to outdo ourselves for the best score |
| 21:54.20 | CosmicPenguin | she's leading right now with a 830 |
| 21:54.22 | CosmicPenguin | but I'll catch her |
| 21:54.28 | Crofton | Heh |
| 21:54.42 | Crofton | I need a real job for a few years to beat my wife |
| 21:54.44 | sorphin | well |
| 21:54.51 | sorphin | i'll never get in the 800s |
| 21:54.58 | sorphin | unless i'm rich and pay off everything |
| 21:55.16 | sorphin | including the house, student loans, and have no credit card debt, period |
| 21:55.30 | kergoth | now that i'm actually employed, and the gf is moving in, should have no problem finishing shit off. one credit card left and the car, and the house i'll be selling after i leave here |
| 21:55.43 | Crofton | heh |
| 21:55.43 | hufnus | kergoth: the way you been going you will soon reach the West Coast, where the real action is. Just stop with the zig zagging ;) |
| 21:55.53 | Crofton | apparently having multiple credit cards helps |
| 21:56.01 | sorphin | kergoth: well, atleast now you can since you don't have your dad mooching |
| 21:56.07 | Crofton | but not using them is key |
| 21:56.16 | kergoth | sorphin: yea, him being employed is a big help |
| 21:56.17 | sorphin | Crofton: actually |
| 21:56.18 | kergoth | hufnus: hehe |
| 21:56.26 | sorphin | Crofton: it's more use/ pay off right away |
| 21:56.29 | sorphin | that helps |
| 21:56.32 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:56.33 | sorphin | not just never use |
| 21:56.36 | sorphin | never using doesn't help |
| 21:56.45 | Crofton | our credit card companies hate us |
| 21:56.54 | Crofton | having the available credit line does |
| 21:57.25 | Crofton | raises your score when they see you don't have to use all credit available to you |
| 21:57.41 | sorphin | well, i had to use it all on my new card |
| 21:57.54 | sorphin | to get away from the high interest on the citi card (my longest card to date) |
| 21:58.02 | sorphin | 0% on the new card |
| 21:58.18 | sorphin | i may call citi and say i wanna cancel to get my interest down |
| 21:58.19 | sorphin | lol |
| 21:58.21 | sorphin | always works |
| 21:58.38 | Crofton | heh |
| 21:58.58 | sorphin | got me onto a fixed apr |
| 21:59.01 | sorphin | before |
| 21:59.14 | kergoth | my last card was with a company that no longer exists |
| 21:59.28 | kergoth | some other company picked it up, the current rate is like 28% due to late payments like 3 years ago |
| 21:59.31 | kergoth | nearly impossible to pay down |
| 21:59.35 | Crofton | you drove them out of business |
| 21:59.39 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:59.47 | sorphin | kergoth: need to switch to a 0% card and balance xfer |
| 21:59.53 | sorphin | then close the other one |
| 21:59.57 | sorphin | that's the only way |
| 22:00.06 | kergoth | i tried, but my credit's in the shitter |
| 22:00.07 | Crofton | heh, they won't offer them to him yet |
| 22:00.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:00.20 | kergoth | need to get rid of it first |
| 22:00.20 | sorphin | or one of those credit counseling places |
| 22:00.20 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 22:00.22 | kergoth | gotta love credit |
| 22:00.29 | sorphin | well, at 28% |
| 22:00.31 | sorphin | you never will :P |
| 22:00.39 | Crofton | hopefully if you are stable at the new job things will change |
| 22:00.44 | kergoth | no doubt, it accrues like twice the monthly payment every month |
| 22:01.00 | Crofton | yeah |
| 22:01.03 | hufnus | learn from women, get a gfriend and have her put you on hers. |
| 22:01.35 | Crofton | you hear about that sort of thing going bad at times |
| 22:01.55 | kergoth | the gf will be on the apartment lease, so hopefully even that application wont be a problem :\ |
| 22:01.57 | kergoth | meh |
| 22:02.04 | Crofton | like someone doing t for their brother, then he doesn't make payments :) |
| 22:02.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:54.32 | CosmicPenguin | stupid procmail |
| 22:54.44 | CosmicPenguin | I need to get the duplicate mail script |
| 22:55.15 | kergoth | kergoth@covenant |
| 22:55.16 | kergoth | ~$ cat .procmail.d/05dupecheck.rc |grep -v ^# |
| 22:55.17 | kergoth | :0 Whc: .msgid.lock |
| 22:55.17 | kergoth | | formail -D 16384 .msgid.cache |
| 22:55.17 | kergoth | :0 a |
| 22:55.17 | kergoth | /dev/null |
| 22:55.29 | kergoth | (have an update-procmail script that assembles the .d files into the procmailrc) |
| 22:56.08 | CosmicPenguin | well, now isn't that slick |
| 22:59.06 | CosmicPenguin | formail is actually a pretty powerful little app |
| 22:59.14 | kergoth | yeah, very |
| 22:59.29 | CosmicPenguin | There is quite a bit of value locked up in there |
| 22:59.31 | kergoth | i used it to take my old inbox from another mailserver and send them all through my local procmail filters |
| 23:02.49 | T0mW | kergoth: 27.6% on Chase, you know that card has a zero balance! |
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| 23:44.12 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: http://kergoth.com/files/procmailrcdotd.tar.gz is my current procmail setup, in case you're curious |
| 23:44.18 | kergoth | meh, should be packing |
| 23:44.36 | T`2 | cp, how hard is it to go over 800? |
| 23:44.57 | CosmicPenguin | 800 what? Mph? |
| 23:45.03 | CosmicPenguin | You'll need a rocket, and a lot of fuel |
| 23:45.11 | T`2 | ugh.. lol.. credit score ;) |
| 23:45.19 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, heh |
| 23:45.30 | T`2 | i was looking at my score, and now i see i have entered the "green" zone |
| 23:45.40 | CosmicPenguin | Its pretty hard - you don't want much evil in your past, and you need to let time go by |
| 23:45.44 | T`2 | like 760 or something.. lol.. now i'm getting flooded with CC 0%APR schemes |
| 23:46.12 | T`2 | was wondering how 830 is possible.. i just started working this year, but still doing masters |
| 23:46.15 | CosmicPenguin | Also, I'm told that to have the highest possible score, you need 4 or more credit cards |
| 23:46.18 | T`2 | is it just how long you work? |
| 23:46.19 | CosmicPenguin | with zero balances |
| 23:46.33 | CosmicPenguin | s/highest possible score/higher score/ |
| 23:46.38 | T`2 | yea, i got like 3 with 0 balances/paid full all the time i think.. |
| 23:46.49 | CosmicPenguin | So I only hold two, so that probably limits my score a bit |
| 23:46.56 | T`2 | well.. i know for sure i enver paid late.. i hate CC companies.. rip offs |
| 23:47.24 | T`2 | any idea if it matures with time/age ? |
| 23:48.06 | CosmicPenguin | If you have late payment hits or something it does |
| 23:48.13 | pb_ | CosmicPenguin: here in the UK, having more than two cards reputedly reduces your credit rating. |
| 23:48.39 | CosmicPenguin | Also, if you have a period where a lot of people checked your credit rating, it will temporarly reduce for 6 months or so |
| 23:48.40 | kergoth | foobar |
| 23:48.42 | kergoth | s/foo/blah/ |
| 23:48.47 | kergoth | cute |
| 23:49.00 | pb_ | heh. that gets annoying after a while. |
| 23:49.03 | T`2 | yea i heard about that reduction due to credit check.. thats such an oxymoron.. doesn't make any sense |
| 23:49.08 | CosmicPenguin | I had that happen when I got my house, because all the utilities check your credit, plus the mortagage company, etc, etc... |
| 23:49.30 | T`2 | was it a big drop though? |
| 23:49.42 | CosmicPenguin | pb_: you would think that would be the way it works, but I guess the more credit cards you have that are current, then that means you have more people that trust to give you money |
| 23:49.44 | CosmicPenguin | or something |
| 23:49.52 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think so - 10 or 20 points at the most |
| 23:50.08 | CosmicPenguin | Its probably off by now, i haven't checked in about 8 months or so |
| 23:50.08 | T`2 | aah tahts not a big deal i guess.. |
| 23:50.26 | T`2 | i plan to take out some personal loan and invest in real-estate.. so was thinking about this credit score a lot lately |
| 23:51.21 | T`2 | though it seems like a loophole all these CC companies giving me 0% APR.. i could prolly rotate the balance around and buy property with that money |
| 23:51.28 | pb_ | CosmicPenguin: yah. over here, the credit card companies have been in a lot of trouble lately over lending money to people who, despite initial appearances, couldn't really afford it. above about two credit cards, they seem to feel you have an "unhealthy" amount of credit, and it starts getting harder to obtain more. |
| 23:52.07 | T`2 | pb_, i think it also depends how much limit you have on these 2 cards.. if its like $500 gas station type thing, i doubt it matters |
| 23:52.35 | T`2 | pb_, but if you had like a real bank provided card, with a few 10s of thousands in limit, i think they get cautious |
| 23:52.54 | pb_ | yeah, that's certainly true. I think they only count "real" credit cards - Visa, Mastercard, Amex, that kind of thing. |
| 23:53.40 | pb_ | I don't think they care much about store cards or fuel cards where you can only spend a few hundred dollars. |
