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| 12:34.14 | Crofton | anyone have a good web page for the 2.6 scheduler |
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| 12:57.21 | T0mW | heh |
| 12:57.45 | T0mW | I've been inside the scheduler once, once. That is an interesting peice of code! |
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| 12:58.16 | Crofton | I have a bunch of clap trap going on and it feels like I need to change to round robin |
| 12:58.53 | T0mW | I had followed it's operation on a uClinux 2.6 kernel. I don't know if there is any good info on how it works. It is just something that is "somebody elses problem" when questions come as to how it works.. |
| 12:59.12 | Crofton | what's the call to change the scheduler? |
| 12:59.25 | T0mW | sorry, that has been 5 years ago |
| 12:59.37 | Crofton | heh |
| 12:59.42 | Crofton | I have the same probelwm |
| 13:00.03 | T0mW | you want to manually insert a task into the scheduler? |
| 13:00.31 | T0mW | or change some value of a scheduled task? |
| 13:01.03 | Crofton | I would like to tell a process that it, and all its children have some scheduler like round robin from user space |
| 13:01.21 | Crofton | basically I need to refigure out the libc scheduler interface again |
| 13:01.41 | T0mW | sorry, that would not be me with that info. :) |
| 13:01.45 | Crofton | :) |
| 13:01.48 | Crofton | thanks though |
| 13:01.51 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:02.17 | T0mW | prpplague: morning Dave |
| 13:05.46 | prpplague | morning |
| 13:09.16 | prpplague | thanks i needed that |
| 13:09.22 | prpplague | T0mW: got a ton of work to do |
| 13:09.35 | prpplague | T0mW: been having the "itch" to work on some side project |
| 13:09.46 | prpplague | T0mW: my pixter-mm hasn't arrived yet either |
| 13:10.10 | prpplague | T0mW: been trying to decide where to through my next level of dev research at |
| 13:10.32 | prpplague | T0mW: since i've nearly exhasted all of the items i needed to learn about the juicebox |
| 13:10.33 | T0mW | prpplague: I've already had my fun break: ZipIt. Now I have to get back to doing real work agina. |
| 13:11.10 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 13:11.24 | T0mW | prpplague: how about stripping the bga parts off a ZipIt mainboard and buzz out a schematic for it? |
| 13:11.26 | prpplague | T0mW: well, i normally do these exercises as a learning experience |
| 13:11.40 | prpplague | T0mW: GPSfan has already done that |
| 13:11.52 | prpplague | T0mW: he has hi res pics |
| 13:11.54 | T0mW | WHAT?! |
| 13:12.02 | T0mW | he has a schematic? |
| 13:12.16 | prpplague | T0mW: not a complete one |
| 13:12.20 | T0mW | ah |
| 13:12.33 | prpplague | T0mW: but he has the board removed of compnents |
| 13:12.55 | prpplague | T0mW: he just didn't post the stuff since aeronix has been on the prowel |
| 13:13.28 | T0mW | get out, they don't want us hackers knowing what it is that they did, huh? |
| 13:13.32 | prpplague | T0mW: when he shows up today, i'll let him know you were looking for info |
| 13:13.40 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe yea |
| 13:13.56 | prpplague | T0mW: you can really tell by that interview they posted on linuxdevices |
| 13:14.16 | T0mW | Well, I have two boards here without LCDs: one I purchased for parts with a broken LCD and the other LCD I destroyed. |
| 13:14.39 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:14.52 | prpplague | yea i'm really keen on getting linux running on the new pixter-mm |
| 13:14.53 | T0mW | So, I was thinking of stripping the parts off one PCB so I could buzz out the SPI and see if they brought the SPI lines out anywhere. |
| 13:15.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't think they did |
| 13:15.20 | T0mW | yeah |
| 13:15.22 | prpplague | T0mW: if you go to the yahoo group |
| 13:15.30 | prpplague | T0mW: you can see some of what gpsfan found |
| 13:15.48 | T0mW | I'm on the zipitwireless group |
| 13:16.10 | T0mW | maybe I should take another look at the files section. |
| 13:16.14 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 13:16.25 | prpplague | T0mW: there are some i/o text files |
| 13:18.59 | prpplague | T0mW: which LPC chip were you using? |
| 13:19.50 | T0mW | LPC2106 + LPC2138 |
| 13:21.25 | prpplague | T0mW: i've got one of these on order - http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/uclinux/ucl_base.php |
| 13:21.39 | prpplague | T0mW: kinda of dual purpose item |
| 13:21.51 | prpplague | T0mW: mainly because it has an enc28j60 on it |
| 13:22.01 | prpplague | T0mW: i'd like to test my linux driver on it |
| 13:22.25 | T0mW | nice board |
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| 13:24.45 | T0mW | prpplague: so, that is your new learning experience? |
| 13:24.59 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, no, thats mainly for testing |
| 13:25.26 | T0mW | I don't see any jtag on it |
| 13:25.27 | prpplague | T0mW: i have a ton work that "i should do" |
| 13:25.57 | prpplague | T0mW: yea its there |
| 13:26.03 | prpplague | T0mW: the dev board has the header |
| 13:26.37 | T0mW | oh, there it is. The sip header |
| 13:26.59 | T0mW | uh, no |
| 13:27.32 | T0mW | that is some resistors or something. Anyway, have fun with it. I keep trying to finish the board I have and it just keeps coming up with "more" |
| 13:27.45 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe yea |
| 13:28.05 | T0mW | I had a server go down a week ago Monday. That was fun |
| 13:28.07 | prpplague | T0mW: my main thing is i want to be able to bring up a board faster |
| 13:28.16 | T0mW | nod |
| 13:28.28 | prpplague | T0mW: some of the driver dev is slowing me down |
| 13:28.30 | T0mW | well, the more you do, the faster you go |
| 13:28.48 | prpplague | T0mW: agreed |
| 13:28.58 | T0mW | after a while they'll be blaming Dave for some goofy decisions he made. |
| 13:29.06 | prpplague | T0mW: thats why i'm looking for something with some unsupported hardware |
| 13:29.17 | prpplague | T0mW: ?? |
| 13:30.26 | prpplague | T0mW: i really need to get a bdi2k unit |
| 13:31.28 | T0mW | yeah, it is a nice unit. Best thing about it is that it is MINE! |
| 13:33.13 | T0mW | MINE, MINE, ALL MINE! |
| 13:33.14 | T0mW | :P |
| 13:33.14 | T0mW | I had another run-in with Sicom over the POS terminals and the root priviliges. |
| 13:33.15 | T0mW | We have an ntp server for our network and their POS terminals are losing time. Their official position is that they will void support for the units if we gain root access to them. |
| 13:34.05 | T0mW | Although, for $5K and a 5 day company course, they will let us have a "root" password to the system. |
| 13:34.33 | T0mW | prpplague: see, linux administration is so simple that all you need is a 5 day course to make you an admin |
| 13:34.34 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats pretty common |
| 13:34.44 | prpplague | T0mW: abcsinc was the same |
| 13:35.40 | T0mW | I told them that they are creating an adversial relationship with their customers with that position. I said that I could probably teach them a lot about linux that they don't know, blah blah. Still no good. |
| 13:35.59 | T0mW | Ass^H^H^H idiots |
| 13:36.08 | prpplague | T0mW: its a numbers game |
| 13:36.26 | T0mW | I know what they want, they want us on a subscription support. t |
| 13:36.28 | prpplague | T0mW: 10 customers, piss one off, keep the other 9 from creating major headaches |
| 13:36.37 | T0mW | yeah |
| 13:37.12 | T0mW | Well, Ted has already told them that when the current support runs out, we are gone. |
| 13:37.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:37.42 | prpplague | i wish cosmo would hurry and show up today |
| 13:37.51 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:38.00 | prpplague | T0mW: had an idea last night that i started work on |
| 13:38.01 | T0mW | drumming your fingers eh? |
| 13:38.18 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, a fltk app |
| 13:38.35 | T0mW | to do what? |
| 13:38.42 | prpplague | T0mW: using a xml datafile where you can put in the register descriptions for a processor |
| 13:39.16 | prpplague | T0mW: then you can use a tree structure to select different registers and change bits quickly to return values |
| 13:39.29 | T0mW | I knew you were going to say that. |
| 13:39.39 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, oh? |
| 13:39.52 | prpplague | T0mW: don't tell me there is some OSS that already does that |
| 13:39.53 | T0mW | tweak values directly instead of re-compiling eh? |
| 13:40.05 | T0mW | no no, it is an interesting idea |
| 13:40.09 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, mainly for testing and such |
| 13:40.25 | T0mW | also for reverse engineering too |
| 13:40.43 | T0mW | if you put something in like "keep toggling this bit at this location" |
| 13:40.46 | prpplague | T0mW: it would also print different mask values for tweaking specific register sections |
| 13:41.12 | T0mW | of course, it would be ARM specific. |
| 13:41.24 | prpplague | T0mW: no, i was thinking more generic |
| 13:41.34 | prpplague | T0mW: kinda like an advanced version of devmem |
| 13:41.44 | T0mW | yeah, but, it would start as ARM |
| 13:41.58 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 13:42.19 | T0mW | I do think that is interesting idea. have it based upon a serial console using ANSI escapes for screen painting. |
| 13:42.23 | prpplague | T0mW: i've already started it as a desktop app though |
| 13:42.43 | prpplague | T0mW: the first version would be unconnected |
| 13:43.06 | prpplague | T0mW: just manually enter the values |
| 13:43.14 | T0mW | you could use it for virgin board bring-up, where you need to verify wiring, LCD register values, etc. |
| 13:43.16 | prpplague | T0mW: second version would have jtag stupport |
| 13:43.22 | prpplague | T0mW: exactly |
| 13:43.53 | T0mW | I think the jtag is the way to go initially. Less invasive and more portable. Nothing to recompile or load |
| 13:44.13 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 13:44.45 | T0mW | that'll keep you busy for a while |
| 13:44.57 | prpplague | T0mW: basically just a combination of devmem and a good programmers calculator |
| 13:45.20 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe yea, well, i'm a nibbler, do a little here, a little there |
| 13:45.46 | prpplague | T0mW: the version i got working last night is nothing more than just a small programmers calculator |
| 13:45.58 | T0mW | prpplague: I used the bdi2000 to bring my board up. The bdi2k has a telnet interface, from there I can set / examine registers + memory. |
| 13:46.32 | T0mW | sometimes it is easier to dump memory via the bdi2k's monitor than it is via gdb |
| 13:46.42 | prpplague | T0mW: yea in the past i've used my parport dongle for that, however, lately i;ve been using the ft2232 |
| 13:47.04 | prpplague | T0mW: yea gdb gives me a headache sometimes |
| 13:47.42 | prpplague | T0mW: sounds bad, but i'd almost rather load down my app with debug prints than use gdb |
| 13:47.44 | T0mW | x /12hx (short *) *(0x40000000) |
| 13:48.06 | T0mW | bleah |
| 13:48.29 | T0mW | bdi2k is just: mdh 0x40000000 12 |
| 13:48.40 | T0mW | easier to type |
| 13:49.24 | T0mW | well, I have some 250G drives to look at, the video server appears to have another WD2500 failing |
| 13:50.01 | T0mW | either that or the Tyan motherboard has a bad IDE circuit |
| 13:50.49 | T0mW | I went through this 2 months ago when one of them failed. At that time I changed out the Asus m'board and put the Tyan in.. |
| 13:51.08 | T0mW | now another drive is say "drive seek error" |
| 13:51.30 | T0mW | "illegal opcode" |
| 13:51.50 | T0mW | I'm wondering if the problem isn't with the SDRAM? |
| 13:52.01 | T0mW | bit flipped someplace |
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| 14:11.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey |
| 14:11.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: T0mW was interested in getting some info on the zipit you removed the chips from |
| 14:11.59 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey indeed, good morning.. |
| 14:12.11 | prpplague | GPSFan: maybe you could /msg him and work out something |
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| 14:12.12 | GPSFan | ask away.. |
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| 14:36.55 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:51.20 | chouimat | prpplague: LOL http://www.askmen.com/jokes/2006_mar/mar07.html |
| 14:52.08 | prpplague | chouimat: HA |
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| 15:09.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho ho |
| 15:11.19 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 15:11.28 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
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| 15:20.08 | prpplague | anyone used skyeye yet? |
| 15:25.29 | chouimat | prpplague: played with it once |
| 15:25.57 | prpplague | chouimat: hard to get up and running? |
| 15:26.14 | prpplague | chouimat: i was thinking of trying to get it running to simulate some new hardware we have |
| 15:26.34 | chouimat | prpplague: was version 0.2 iirc so I don't remember ... the only thing I remember is their link is slooooooooooooooooow :) |
| 15:26.43 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 15:29.08 | chouimat | prpplague: I might need to try it again too ... |
| 15:37.27 | T0mW | heh, "yeah, my wife" |
| 15:46.28 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.eletztrick.de/ |
| 15:46.37 | prpplague | chouimat: 12 things a klingon programmer would say |
| 15:48.10 | chouimat | prpplague: HEHE |
| 15:48.38 | prpplague | " I have challenged the entire quality assurance team to a Bat-Leth contest. They will not concern us again." |
| 15:49.10 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:50.11 | CosmicPenguin | I always write my software to escape quality assurance |
| 15:51.56 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: you worked for xandros??? |
| 15:53.03 | prpplague | hehe toys-r-expensive is splitting from amazon(forest of patents) |
| 15:53.21 | CosmicPenguin | If I don't make somebody at a loss for words during a code review, I haven't done my job |
| 15:54.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "uh jordan, what, ugh what is ugh what is this ugh what" |
| 15:54.17 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:54.21 | CosmicPenguin | "Uhh... wow" |
| 15:54.27 | CosmicPenguin | "I'm going to go lay down now" |
| 15:54.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "mr.smith, please bring me some alkaseltzer" |
| 15:55.13 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: are you one of those people who has to do things in a very creative/strange/weird way? |
| 15:55.17 | CosmicPenguin | My boss gave me a wierd look yesterday - I sent out some code for review, and he commented that I should initialize all my global variables |
| 15:55.40 | CosmicPenguin | And I pointed out that if they were intended to be 0 anyway, I should leave them blank and let the compiler stick them in the bss instead of allocating room in .data |
| 15:55.44 | CosmicPenguin | And he's like "why?" |
| 15:56.17 | prpplague | "you might have a coding problem if ....... your code reviewer begins bleeding from his eyes, ears and nose after reading your code" |
| 15:56.18 | CosmicPenguin | And I told him to save binary size - he walked away shaking his head |
| 15:58.01 | prpplague | "you might have a coding problem if ....... your code reviewer wears wielding glass while reading your code" |
| 15:59.29 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: WOW |
| 16:04.18 | prpplague | "you might have a coding problem if ....... your code reviewer is ready to become soylent green afterwards" |
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| 16:18.37 | prpplague | sorphin: where the hell did you come from |
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| 16:27.49 | chouimat | prpplague: probably Hell ;) |
| 16:39.41 | T` | moin folk |
| 16:39.43 | T` | s |
| 16:40.49 | sorphin | prpplague: your worst nightmare? |
| 16:41.24 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe not by a long shot |
| 16:41.50 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm more a networking monkey among other things these days |
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| 16:50.45 | sjhill | ~ibot whaleslap sorphin |
| 16:50.46 | ibot | ACTION beats sorphin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:52.44 | sorphin | sjhill: wanna watch it lackey? my eyes wouldn't take too well to being hit like that right now |
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| 17:10.23 | sorphin | and there's mr penguin |
| 17:11.29 | prpplague | again |
| 17:11.39 | prpplague | can you say "proxy" |
| 17:12.59 | sorphin | k.. |
| 17:18.09 | kergoth | mornign |
| 17:20.57 | CosmicPenguin | This time, my boxen went down |
| 17:20.57 | CosmicPenguin | again |
| 17:21.08 | CosmicPenguin | Just as annoying |
| 17:21.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh |
| 17:22.03 | prpplague | i can't seem to get this spi keyboard working |
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| 18:35.47 | sjhill | does anyone know latex or know someone who does? |
| 18:37.03 | chouimat | sjhill: I know |
| 18:37.21 | andersee | sjhill: I wrote my thesis using latex |
| 18:37.29 | andersee | of course, thats been a while.... |
| 18:37.32 | sjhill | how much to format my paper for OLS? |
| 18:37.42 | sjhill | and if i give you a week to do it, can you get it done? |
| 18:37.57 | chouimat | sjhill: yes |
| 18:38.57 | sjhill | andersee! |
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| 18:40.50 | andersee | sjhill: howdy! |
| 18:41.03 | sjhill | how was Hawaii? |
| 18:41.12 | andersee | amazing |
| 18:41.27 | andersee | I did a whole lot of nothing, which was exactly what I needed |
| 18:41.33 | andersee | :) |
| 18:41.35 | sjhill | that's great |
| 18:45.59 | CosmicPenguin | COol - sjhill is speaking at OLS? |
| 18:46.00 | CosmicPenguin | Rock! |
| 18:46.16 | CosmicPenguin | I'm so there |
| 18:48.02 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:49.15 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 22:38.32 | T0mW | I love it |
| 22:38.45 | T0mW | pcb houses are hungry for work and willing to deal |
| 22:39.57 | T0mW | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.31 | MonMotha | T0mW: everything I've done involving a custom board the board has been at least half ot the total cost of parts for the final product |
| 22:41.13 | T0mW | yeah, I found a new PCB house I tried: 100x100mm double sided protos: $10/per |
| 22:41.35 | T0mW | silk, mask, plate-thru holes |
| 22:41.48 | MonMotha | not bad |
| 22:41.50 | T0mW | www.pcbnet.com |
| 22:41.58 | MonMotha | I do the advanced circuits student deal |
| 22:42.09 | MonMotha | $33 for a huge board, panelized as much as you can, you cut apart |
| 22:42.12 | MonMotha | and the quality is awesome |
| 22:42.20 | T0mW | I use that too, and not a student, heh |
| 22:42.34 | T0mW | that is a good deal for a larger board. |
| 22:42.50 | T0mW | but my board was only 1.2" x 1.34", not for $33! |
| 22:43.14 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 22:43.18 | MonMotha | that's why you panelize :) |
| 22:43.36 | T0mW | yeah, but the $33 special says not to |
| 22:43.46 | MonMotha | T0mW: they let you do it as a student :) |
| 22:44.07 | MonMotha | it's really an amazing deal |
| 22:44.09 | T0mW | ~lart MonMotha for being a student |
| 22:44.34 | T0mW | that's ok |
| 22:44.47 | T0mW | you'll be paying the same as the rest of us soon enough, heh |
| 22:44.52 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 22:45.12 | T0mW | hey |
| 22:45.41 | T0mW | maybe I should go back for that advanced math degree, the one that takes 10 years of night school? Then I'd have a student ID? |
| 22:46.39 | MonMotha | heh, they do have a list of acceptable schools |
| 22:46.43 | MonMotha | though all you need is a student ID |
| 22:47.10 | T0mW | Penn State? |
| 22:47.11 | MonMotha | from one of those schools, of course |
| 22:47.14 | MonMotha | should work |
| 22:47.44 | T0mW | I'd like to go back to school, cannot swing the credit cost right now. |
| 22:49.03 | T0mW | heh, I took a ZipIt mainboard, put it into the toaster oven until all the parts loosened up. Then took a paper towel and wiped the parts off the PCB. |
| 22:49.37 | T0mW | instant blank board |
| 22:50.20 | T0mW | GPSFan: I did wipe one of the boards clean of parts. |
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| 22:50.43 | GPSFan | T0mW: use your toaster oven? |
| 22:50.50 | T0mW | GPSFan: yeah |
| 22:51.12 | T0mW | GPSFan: lots of stuff not hooked up on that 7312 chip |
| 22:51.34 | GPSFan | when I did mine I wanted to leave as many of the passives in place as possible. worked ok. |
| 22:51.37 | T0mW | I was mostly looking at SPI1 & SPI2 |
| 22:52.01 | T0mW | I'd rather have it clean to buzz it out |
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| 22:54.31 | GPSFan | one is config'd as the high speed DAI interface to the wm8751l the other is set up as the I2C to control the mixer in the audio chip, and talk to the lpc915. |
| 22:56.34 | GPSFan | I rang it out when I did the audio & mixer drivers, but never drew up a schematic. |
| 22:58.07 | T0mW | yeah, the serial out is there, but the serial in is tied to gnd under the chip |
| 22:58.32 | T0mW | would have been nice to have a high speed interface available though |
| 22:58.48 | GPSFan | right, and thus died the hope of having audio input, for voip, etc... |
| 22:58.59 | T0mW | heh |
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| 22:59.21 | GPSFan | they could have had so much more of a device with just a bit more work.. |
| 23:00.39 | T0mW | it would take so little effort to make it possible to add a few things. Like the SSIRXDA could have been tied to ground, but loop the trace out from under the CPU so someone could reach it, put a via there. |
| 23:01.45 | T0mW | I always put spares on my PCB designs, if a pin isn't used (yet) on the processor, I bring it out to a through hole (spare). |
| 23:02.37 | T0mW | GPSFan: oh well, at least we got what we did get. |
| 23:02.40 | GPSFan | yeah, but you want to be able to use the spares some time in the future, theyseemed to want to discourage any future inovations. |
| 23:03.08 | GPSFan | indeed, what we got is a great box for what it is. |
| 23:03.14 | T0mW | no don't give then that much credit, they probably didn't even have a clue of something like that |
| 23:03.36 | GPSFan | did yor go to see their site yet? |
| 23:03.51 | T0mW | been busy, I'll look now. |
| 23:04.14 | GPSFan | poke around and tell me that they are in the toy business... |
| 23:06.11 | T0mW | GPSFan: I take that last comment back, they probably did know what they were doing by restricting the design. |
| 23:06.22 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 23:07.10 | T0mW | no wonder they call the ZipIt their "baby", it is probably the smallest thing they have done to date. |
| 23:07.43 | andersee | any suggestions for an 802.11b/g audio receiver device I could sprinkle about the house and plug speakers into? |
| 23:07.47 | T0mW | Well, I've the EP7312 TFBGA device partially done. |
| 23:07.56 | T0mW | hah |
| 23:08.04 | T0mW | goto radio shack |
| 23:08.20 | andersee | they have such things? |
| 23:08.25 | GPSFan | zipitpet & I discussed their knowledge of encryption a bit, seems they used it in encrypting the zipit update stuff. |
| 23:08.32 | T0mW | maybe stop by www.tigerdirect.com on the way |
| 23:09.00 | T0mW | andersee: it is crap, but easy to buy |
| 23:09.05 | andersee | heh |
| 23:09.08 | GPSFan | can't type again.. |
| 23:09.49 | T0mW | GPSFan: usually when that happens to me it means I need time off |
| 23:09.59 | GPSFan | or more beer.. |
| 23:10.29 | T0mW | naw |
| 23:10.37 | T0mW | I don't drink |
| 23:12.38 | T0mW | andersee: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=98 |
| 23:13.51 | T0mW | andersee: nm, I thought that the remote set was wireless |
| 23:13.54 | andersee | T0mW: looks like the 'Saitek A-250 Portable 2.1 Wireless Speaker System' is it for selection |
| 23:15.26 | T0mW | andersee: they have three sets |
| 23:15.41 | T0mW | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=wireless+speakers&image1.x=0&image1.y=0 |
| 23:16.33 | T0mW | andersee: I just run wires behind everything |
| 23:16.58 | T0mW | andersee: of course, I have no pets or small children either |
| 23:17.02 | andersee | no no no... not wireless rear speakers.... |
| 23:17.24 | GPSFan | it's not clear that tha Saitek is 802.11b/g. it says 2.4Ghz digital audio |
| 23:18.26 | T0mW | the 2.2-2.4GHz band is for those "rabbits" and such (microwave ovens down at 1.8-2.2GHz |
| 23:19.38 | andersee | for parts of the house where I cannot easily retrofit in a wired audio system |
| 23:20.15 | GPSFan | andersee: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/rundfunker/ |
| 23:20.54 | CosmicPenguin | too bad its Epia based |
| 23:21.03 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 23:21.17 | T0mW | heh, convert a zipit to shove digital audio files into an MP3 decoder. |
| 23:21.33 | MonMotha | that wouldn't be hard probably |
| 23:21.53 | andersee | T0mW: the zipit have built in audio? |
| 23:21.54 | MonMotha | you have hardware SPI and I2C already, right? |
| 23:21.55 | GPSFan | or http://devices.natetrue.com/musicap/ |
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| 23:21.59 | T0mW | perhaps, not sure of what the datarate would have to be |
| 23:22.00 | CosmicPenguin | Didn't via lose their x86 license? |
| 23:22.11 | T0mW | andersee: wimpy audio |
| 23:22.43 | T0mW | andersee: ken would know more about that, I've only just started messing with zipit |
| 23:24.30 | GPSFan | zipit would need an good amp, and it can't decode 128kbps mp3's in real time. I use remotepcm to play stuff, trades on-air bandwidth for cpu horsepower. |
| 23:24.45 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 23:24.47 | MonMotha | you could hook up a hardware decoder |
| 23:24.58 | MonMotha | ST STA013 decoders are fairly easy to find |
| 23:26.06 | andersee | hmm. This looks like a possibility -- http://www.sonos.com/landing/all_lp6.htm?ovchn=GGL&ovcpn=Google+Adwords&ovcrn=wireless+music&ovtac=ppc |
| 23:26.25 | andersee | ugh |
| 23:26.28 | andersee | http://www.sonos.com/products/?tref=landall-6 |
| 23:29.14 | T0mW | andersee: looks nice, I've read a couple of their pages and still haven't run into "requires windows 2000 or better" |
| 23:29.25 | andersee | :-) |
| 23:29.42 | T0mW | "the package said Win98 or better, so I installed it onto Linux" |
| 23:30.01 | andersee | Support for compressed MP3, WMA, AAC (MPEG4), Ogg Vorbis, Audible .AA (format 4), Apple Lossless, Flac (lossless) music files, as well as uncompressed WAV and AIFF files. |
| 23:30.10 | andersee | nice... |
| 23:30.21 | MonMotha | wow, it does vorbis and flac... |
| 23:30.59 | andersee | Analog audio input with digital encoding -- Music from an external audio source (such as a CD player, radio or MP3 player) connected to a ZP100 can be played by all other ZonePlayers in the system. |
| 23:31.23 | andersee | ;-) |
| 23:31.39 | T0mW | andersee: you're broke, you just got back from Hawaii |
| 23:31.47 | andersee | heh |
| 23:31.51 | andersee | yeah, probably so |
| 23:32.00 | T0mW | nice place though, I was on Owahu |
| 23:32.12 | T0mW | Perl Harbor thingy |
| 23:32.18 | T0mW | heh |
| 23:32.32 | T0mW | Pearl Harbor not Perl Harbor |
| 23:32.35 | T0mW | shit |
| 23:33.02 | andersee | heh |
| 23:33.15 | T0mW | I don't believe that I typed that |
| 23:33.53 | andersee | I can believe it. Tons of perl on the net clouding the brain |
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| 23:37.02 | kergoth | i wrote some perl today. good to know i'm still good at writing horribly disgusting code if need be |
| 23:37.23 | T0mW | kergoth: you forgot to say "unmaintainable" |
| 23:37.33 | kergoth | that too |
| 23:38.13 | kergoth | even worse, this was perl run from shell, with the perl code quoted with "", not ''. double the backslashes |
| 23:38.51 | CosmicPenguin | Thats ok - I wrote awk today |
| 23:39.03 | T0mW | almost as much fun as entering regex on the bash line |
| 23:39.21 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: ew |
| 23:39.57 | andersee | best I can offer up is I manually edited/changes a few patch files today |
| 23:39.58 | T0mW | perl I will do, it is useful, awk? |
| 23:40.44 | T0mW | I didn't do anything except put a board in the toaster oven and remove all the parts |
| 23:41.28 | andersee | hardware hacking is scarier than software hacking -- can't make any backups |
| 23:41.57 | T0mW | andersee: yeah but you can point to it an people can see what you've done |
| 23:42.25 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, because we have no good ways to show people our hacked software |
| 23:43.29 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just saying |
| 23:45.20 | kergoth | andersee: recountdiff is our friend :) |