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17:08.08*** topic/#elinux is #elinux Embedded Linux || http://eLinux.org/ || cross compile, uClibc, busybox, handhelds, post-sale linux installs ;-), etc. || free embedded linux training at http://free-electrons.com/news/news.2004-09-28/en
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17:08.22T0mWprpplague: what do you mean by "serial" ?
17:09.10prpplagueT0mW: a keyboard that interfaces to a rs-232 port
17:09.25prpplagueT0mW: i.e. most of the add on keyboards for pda's
17:10.00TimRiker~seen andersee
17:10.04ibotandersee <n=andersee@codepoet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 15h 58m ago, saying: 'at least, plenty to make a Samsung SIR-T451 standalone HDTV tuner happy'.
17:15.40T0mWprpplague: you need to use the keyboard as an add-on, but not a permanent device?  e.g. you can use the pda without it, but optionally plug it in?
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17:17.10prpplagueT0mW: are you asking if thats the way a pda keyboard works, or whether what i need to do will work that way?
17:17.20T0mWyou
17:18.46CosmicPenguinno you!
17:19.14T0mWprpplague: I did an IR keyboard using the /dev/input device.  Keys are decoded via lircd, then I process them ir_code --> scan_code --> /dev/input.  They then show up exactly as if I was using a ps/2 keyboard plugged into the system, complete with ctrl-key-down, ctrl-key-up, etc
17:19.24prpplagueT0mW: i just want an example of how some of the devices are implementing a serial protocol
17:19.44CosmicPenguinfrom a hardware perspective, I gather?
17:19.48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
17:19.56T0mWoh
17:20.08CosmicPenguinI don't think they would be much different then a bluetooth or ir keyboard
17:20.14prpplaguei'd like to compare it to what we've done with our spi interface
17:20.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea thats what i'm thinking as well
17:20.28prpplaguehehe
17:20.36prpplagueT0mW: or finds an empty room
17:20.52T0mWprpplague: girlie palace
17:21.40T0mWjust playing with my new Olympus C-7000 camera I got off ebay.  nice camera
17:21.53prpplaguecool
17:22.04T0mW:(
17:22.15T0mW7.1 megapixel
17:22.28prpplaguenice, the zoom?
17:22.32T0mW30x zoom, 5x optical
17:22.50T0mWuses xD memory :(
17:23.02T0mWso much for all the SD cards I have
17:23.40T0mWit has a 0.5" super-macro mode
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17:23.56T0mWsomething for those PCB shots
17:24.24T0mWheh, on a zipit you need to get REAL CLOSE to see those tiny little resistors!
17:24.41CosmicPenguinman, winetools is pretty damn cool
17:24.50T0mWCosmicPenguin: why is that?
17:25.09T0mWCosmicPenguin: what is it, a wizzard to setup apps?
17:25.13CosmicPenguinyeah
17:25.17CosmicPenguinit so abastracts away everything
17:25.21CosmicPenguinabstracts even
17:25.23T0mWheh
17:25.28CosmicPenguinyou double click a few buttons, and boom, you're up and runng
17:25.34T0mWwow
17:25.51T0mWwhen I looked at wine 2 years ago, the only thing I could get running was notepad
17:25.54CosmicPenguinyeah
17:25.57CosmicPenguinI felt the same way
17:26.01CosmicPenguinI've really changed my tune
17:26.24CosmicPenguinhttp://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/index.html
17:27.26T0mWstill no lotus 1-2-3 :(
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17:29.12T0mWheh, program name "foobar_2000"
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17:30.04T0mWdamn, the net has problems today.  there seem to be a lot of sites I cannot reach today!
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17:31.57CroftonProbably get fixed on April 1 during the internet pipe cleaning
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17:54.11T0mW_sorphin: don't forget my teeth
17:56.10prpplagueholly cow, didn't realize it was 2pm
17:56.20T0mW_??
17:56.58prpplagueT0mW_: time flies when you are concentrating on something else
17:57.22prpplagueT0mW_: i thought it was only around noon
17:57.23CosmicPenguinGood golly, I feel so dirty
17:57.30CosmicPenguinusiing IE+Wine to connect to my online crap at work
17:58.47T0mW_~weather kabe
17:59.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe
17:59.08T0mW_75 degrees latitude
17:59.24T0mW_prpplague: are you east of that?  I thought you were west of 75
17:59.40T0mW_longitude, sorry
17:59.59prpplague~westher bgi
18:00.04prpplague~weather bgi
18:00.05T0mW_lol
18:00.18T0mW_~lart prpplague for fat fingers
18:01.05prpplague~weather TBPB
18:01.17CosmicPenguinprpplague: you suck
18:01.39CosmicPenguinI plan to drink enough Tequila to make the 3rd fleet jelous
18:01.48T0mW_59 degrees?
18:02.13WingnutCosmicPenguin: where in Mexico?
18:02.17T0mW_prpplague: where are you, off the Eastern coast of Brazil?
18:03.29prpplagueyea
18:03.34T0mW_CosmicPenguin: filthy, stumbledown, stinking drunk, eh?
18:03.51CosmicPenguinWingnut: PV
18:03.58prpplaguehttp://image.weather.com/images/sat/caribsat_720x486.jpg
18:04.11prpplaguetake the left edge of the weather channel logo, and go straight up
18:04.16CosmicPenguinT0mW_: indeed - unless I'm fishing, then its all business
18:04.25T0mW_we'll be hearing stories about what CosmicPenguin did while he was in an alcoholic blackout
18:04.48T0mW_heh
18:05.17T0mW_heh, thoroughly embarass your wife
18:05.40T0mW_sounds like a smashup vacation to me!
18:05.41CosmicPenguinThats the plan
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18:06.06sorphinweatherspam :P
18:06.34T0mW_sorphin: naw, just fast way to check long/lat of Dave's QTH vs mine.
18:07.26T0mW_for some reason I though prpplague was west of Cuba
18:07.43sorphinT0mW_: ah
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19:52.32trandallhi, Im trying to compile sshd for uClinux, but getting some errors when linking to libssl and libcrypto
19:53.51trandallmy errors are like "lib/libssl/libcrypto.a: In function 'BN-hex2bn' : undefined reference to __ctype_b_loc
19:54.12trandallanyone know whats going on here?
20:01.44T`2trandall, i think you are compiling against the wrong glibc version
20:01.58T`2or whatever libc uclinux uses..
20:03.23trandallT`2, do you know how I would go about changing this?
20:07.31T`2check where your include files are coming from, etc..
20:23.26trandallT`2, k I recompiled ssl, and the symbols errors have ceased, now I am getting undefined reference to `crypt'
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20:46.03CosmicPenguinHOw could I possibly have spent the whole morning doing nothing of value?
20:48.00trandallmaybe you are a genius
20:48.21CosmicPenguinThats not a likely scenario
20:48.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: btdt
20:55.13trandallCosmicPenguin, it the old 80/20 rule
20:55.38prpplague80% beer, 20% work?
20:55.42kergothsome days its just hard to get into the zone.  just sit there staring at the screen not accomplishing anything
20:55.46kergothheh
20:55.52trandall80 % of the time you get 20 % done, 20% of the time you are getting 80% of the shit done
20:55.56Croftonhow is the new job?
20:56.20trandallalthough IRC make it the 100/0 rule
20:56.53prpplaguekergoth: you have to be real careful not to get burned out on device level work
20:57.18prpplaguekergoth: which i'm sure you gather from your experience at TI
20:58.25kergoththe work here is a pretty good fit, i think.  so far it's involved both application level (qt) and kernel stuff
20:58.29kergothenough variety to keep me sane
20:58.40Croftoncool
20:58.51CroftonI've been doing radio SW frameowrk stuff for a few months
20:58.59kergothhows that going?
20:59.01Croftonnow I doing signal processing for a few weeks
20:59.13Croftongood enough I am trying to actually use it for a radio
20:59.26Croftonthen I need to get the whole pig into an omap
21:00.05kergothi should ping steve johnson and richard woodruff and see how things are going with them, havent talked to em since i left ti
21:00.25kergothon another note, i'm definately buying a poster of http://www.despair.com/worth.html and hanging it up in my cubicle
21:00.45CroftonI love despair.com
21:01.10MonMothaI have the calendar from them hung up in my dorm
21:11.31tux1800Hi all, why the buildroot fail when creating the jffs2 root ? ... tar: dl/: Cannot read: Is a directory ...tar: At beginning of tape, quitting now  ...tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
21:13.27prpplaguetux1800: sounds like its trying to use the wrong name for the creation of the file
21:22.51tux1800is the output of the make would help more ?
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21:56.51trandallkergoth, you worked at astrocom correct?
22:02.28kergothtrandall: correct, for about 6 months
22:02.31kergothwhy do you ask?
22:02.48kergothoh, /whois is informative ;)
22:03.35trandalli am the new junior programmer, and I thought you could tell me a little about your experience there, if you care to share :)
22:13.18kergothhehe, http://www.slashfood.com/2006/03/13/beer-from-a-tap/
22:16.36CosmicPenguingah!   openoffice is so horribly annoying
22:16.50MonMothayou noticed?
22:17.00MonMothathey've got all the cruft and crap from MS Office with none of the good stuff
22:17.05MonMothaand it's dog-ass slow
22:17.16kergothi used to love abiword. wonder if thats still being actively worked on
22:17.18kergothso light
22:17.21CosmicPenguinThats a fun blog
22:17.32CosmicPenguinMonMotha: but if I do a presentation, its oo or nothing
22:17.46MonMothaCosmicPenguin: I know people who use some TeX macros and generate PDFs
22:17.59MonMothano animations, but they look much nicer than PowerPoint/OO.present
22:18.01CosmicPenguinYeah, but on the flip side, I don't know jack about that
22:18.10CosmicPenguinMe and TeX don't often talk
22:18.13MonMothaah
22:18.15CosmicPenguinand when we do it ends badly
22:18.18CosmicPenguinfor me
22:18.21kergothone of the presnetations i saw at the last ols i was at, i think it was keithp's, was just a series of svgs, which was kind of a neat way to do it
22:18.22MonMothaI know enough to use LaTeX, but not much more
22:18.51CosmicPenguinThats keithp for you
22:18.53CosmicPenguinbut he's a genius
22:19.00CosmicPenguinI'm barely able to type on a keyboard
22:19.26kergothhehe
22:19.45CosmicPenguinPlus, AMD would have me shot if I didn't use their official approved templates
22:19.53kergothcould do a squence of presentation slides with inkscape, but it doesnt relaly provide the tools and .. yeah, that
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22:52.13kergothyo ljp
22:59.25ljphey kergoth
22:59.45ljphows the desert treating you?
23:04.50kergothpretty good, i like it out here.  so much more sunlight, helps my moods a lot.  MN was the opposite :)
23:05.08ljpquite true
23:05.21kergothhow are things in au?
23:09.22ljpgood
23:09.39ljpfor the most part, anyway
23:09.39kergothhaving fun doing qt stuff again :)
23:09.40kergothbeen a while
23:09.48ljpthats good to hear
23:10.01kergothhad to blow the dust off the ole' c++ skills
23:11.24ljpc++ is just c with class :)
23:11.51MonMothaouch...
23:12.01MonMothayou know how they named C++, right?
23:12.39MonMothathere's this guy who's talking to his co-worker about this new, fancy "Object Oriented" programming thing.  He says that through creative (ab)use of the C preprocessor, he's hacked support for OO into C.  So it's like C, but more.
23:13.04MonMothaHis friend is somewhat befuddled at how this huge hack could work.  He says "Huh?  More than C?  How'd you do that?"
23:13.21MonMothaThe guy in the next cube over says "One more than C?  That's easy, just do 'C++'."
23:13.35kergothhehe
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23:32.22CosmicPenguingreets mr hill
23:33.10sjhillhey Jordan
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23:47.11TimRikerandersee: Wanna move the tapes around? http://p2.rikers.org/cgi-bin/changer.cgi
23:48.15MonMothaTimRiker: wtf does that interface/
23:48.59TimRikerhttp://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-atl7100
23:49.34MonMothaTimRiker: and you have this WHY precisely?
23:49.35TimRikersorry no webcam on it (yet :)
23:49.54anderseeTimRiker: heheh
23:49.55TimRikerMonMotha: you never know when you'll want to back up 5TB of data.
23:50.00MonMothaTimRiker: indeed...
23:50.20anderseeMonMotha: because he got it for free!  Thats why!
23:50.30TimRikeroh, there is that.
23:50.36MonMothaI don't think I have 5TB if you combine every piece of digital storage I own (writable CDs and DVDs included)
23:51.15MonMothamaybe 3
23:51.19TimRikerwell, headed home. swap to your hearts content.
23:51.54MonMothaI need to set up a good webcame setup
23:51.58MonMothai.e. not sucky

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