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00:11.58ruscalhas anyone here had any trouble compiling the latest snapshot of busybox with buildroot targetted for PPC ? im getting it come up saying it cant find a lot of .os and .osm files in the libb dir of busybox
00:17.19CosmicPenguinmost of the patches today seem to be fixing that
00:17.26CosmicPenguinhttp://www.busybox.net/downloads/patches/last10.html
00:18.00ruscalthanks cosmicPenguin
00:22.57ruscalare the patches rolled into the daily snapshots of busybox ?  so if i run buildroot tommorrow with use the latest snapshot of busybox checked will i get all of the patches up till today ?
00:23.13CosmicPenguinI believe it is
00:23.36ruscalcool
00:23.40ruscalthanks
00:39.31ruscalwhen applying the patch do i just what the .patch files in the .svn dir for busybox then run patch blah to apply or do the patches have to go into a specific location ?
00:41.25Wingnutruscal: you can strip off portions of the directory with the -p option to patch...so you'll probably run something like `patch -p1 < myfile.patch` in the busybox directory
00:41.35Wingnutbut it depends on the patch
00:59.56CosmicPenguinis there a really clever way to figure out if a binary is in a path in perl?
01:00.01CosmicPenguinsort of a which implementation?
01:01.04CosmicPenguinI mean, the only way I can think of is to foreach(split /:/ $ENV{PATH}) { last if  -x $_ . "/" . $file; }
01:01.07CosmicPenguinbut how sexy is that?
01:01.11CosmicPenguinnot very
01:24.30ruscalpatches worked a treat for busybox not getting that .os or .osm missing file stuff anymore
01:24.45ruscalcoreutils on the other hand is broken and wont compile
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01:48.07chouimatROFL  http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1760580.html
01:48.12chouimatCosmicPenguin: ^^^^^
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02:14.14ruscalanyone know what daily snapshot of buildroot is stable and going to allow me to compile up a toolchain with gcc.4.0.2 binutils 2.16.1 and kernel headers 2.6.12 ? the latest daily snapshot gives me grief compiling coreutils
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02:34.26WingnutCosmicPenguin: you might try @INC
02:35.15Wingnutperl -e 'print"@INC\n";
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12:57.54chouimatmorning
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14:12.51prpplague~weather TBPB
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15:16.25CosmicPenguinWow - thats even a little bit hot
16:10.05CosmicPenguinARGH!
16:10.09CosmicPenguinI hate outlook
16:10.11CosmicPenguinI hate everything about it
16:11.36MonMothaCosmicPenguin: I think I could generalize that to most microsoft products
16:13.01CosmicPenguinfscking server is freaking out on e-mailed patches
16:13.19CosmicPenguinit can go to hell as far as I am concerned
16:13.24CosmicPenguinI'll take it there myself
16:15.26MonMothawell, exchange is one of their worst products
16:15.35MonMothait can do everything, but configuring it is a nightmare
16:15.41MonMothaand the system requirements are a bit rediculous
16:16.11MonMothamy friend runs it for 2 users (total overkill, I know).  His Win2k server (admitidly running on a 450MHz K6-2 with 256MB of RAM, but still) takes like 10 minutes to boot because of it
16:16.31MonMothamy linux system doesn't need nearly that to run Postfix and Dovecot
16:35.25WingnutMonMotha: be glad it isn't Lotus Notes
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16:46.45prpplagueT0mW: ho ho ho
16:46.58T0mWprpplague: morning
16:47.15prpplaguesmell like it too
16:47.21CosmicPenguinheh
16:47.35T0mWnaw, I shower every day.  Whether I need it or not.
16:47.54T0mWchange my socks too!
16:48.28prpplagueT0mW: shower with your socks, then you don't have to change them
16:48.48T0mWheh
16:49.04T0mWzipit is all buzzed out
16:49.15prpplaguedamm you're good
16:49.32prpplagueT0mW: if i buy a pixter-mm and send it to you will you buzz it out?
16:50.28T0mWat least as far as I'm going to go.  I didn't bother with Flash, SDRAM 'cause they are standard faire.  The Wifi chip isn't important as there is no datasheets on it.  Everything else is done: power supply, charger, keyboard, sound, and all CPU pins
16:50.36T0mWno
16:50.54T0mWI'm not interested in pixter, no i/o to the thing
16:51.03prpplagueT0mW: ??
16:51.10prpplagueT0mW: full address bus and data lines
16:51.32T0mWI did the zipit 'cause it has a keyboard and I like the idea of a portable mini-linux box.
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16:51.39prpplaguehehe
16:51.57T0mWprpplague: oh
16:52.42prpplaguehttp://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterExpansionSlot
16:52.44T0mWprpplague: My new camera uses xD cards,  how you expect people to solder on all those wires to the xD card is beyond me.  No wonder people want to get a pre-made board.
16:53.10prpplagueT0mW: hehe
16:53.17prpplagueT0mW: they could get slots
16:53.41prpplagueT0mW: did those solders with a weller 12-watt pencil
16:53.46prpplagueT0mW: $9.00
16:56.16T0mWthat's ugly, that S-1131 regulator!
16:56.29T0mWa programmable series regulator, yuk.
16:57.45T0mWprpplague: I have one of those tiny weller irons.  But, what I've found is that I can do a better job, with less damage, if I use a conical tip filed with a flatside on my weller 40w iron.
16:57.56T0mWprpplague: big heat, fast in, fast out.
16:58.23T0mWI tend to keep that 15w iron in there too long: "it is not that much wattage..."
16:58.27prpplagueT0mW: thats the old pixter
16:58.37prpplagueT0mW: the pixter multimedia has the same external bus
16:58.43prpplagueT0mW: but much better specs
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16:59.29T0mWprpplague: well, the best way to reverse engineer something is to have two boards.  One for reference, the other you immediately strip down to the bare pcb.
16:59.47T0mWless tedious that way
17:00.42prpplagueT0mW: yea
17:00.47prpplagueT0mW: i usuall go with 3
17:00.53prpplagueT0mW: one to strip
17:00.57prpplagueT0mW: one to dev with
17:01.05prpplagueT0mW: and one unmolested for reference
17:01.25T0mWyeah, 1. to buzz out, 2. to remove resisters etc. to measure values, 3rd to try out making the mods.
17:02.42prpplagueT0mW: i like my 12watt it seems perfect for my solder needs and style
17:03.16prpplagueT0mW: i usually buy a nice pointed tip and then file it to a really sharp point
17:03.26prpplagueT0mW: that way i can do some micro stuff pretty easily
17:04.50T0mWbinocular microscope is a real asset
17:05.20T0mWespecially with the tiny surface mount of the ZipIt!
17:05.36prpplagueT0mW: hehe, i have built-in ones
17:05.42prpplagueT0mW: just take my glasses off
17:05.49T0mWThose chinese have tiny fingers to solder those little resistors on the pcb!
17:06.38prpplagueT0mW: don't you know that the chinese have been on a genetic breading program to create a race of humans with super small fingers for those jobs?
17:08.02T0mWprolly
17:08.25prpplagueman this s3c2410 dimm board rocks
17:08.40T0mWI found a pcb house that makes double sided prototypes really cheap.  Good quality pcb too.
17:09.08prpplagueT0mW: only 3.8mm wide
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17:10.18prpplaguehehe the ram for the tuxscreen is bigger than this cpu board
17:10.26T0mWLayers  
17:10.27T0mW2 Layers
17:10.27T0mW
17:10.27T0mW4 Layers
17:10.27T0mW
17:10.27T0mW6 Layers
17:10.35T0mW
17:10.37T0mW8 Layers
17:10.39T0mWPrice 1 - 10 sqin.
17:10.41T0mW$10ea.
17:10.43T0mW
17:10.45T0mW$30ea.
17:10.47T0mW
17:10.49T0mW$40ea.
17:10.51T0mW
17:10.53T0mW$60ea.
17:10.55T0mW11 - 20 sqin.
17:10.57T0mW$13ea.
17:11.01T0mW
17:11.02prpplaguenice
17:11.03T0mW$40ea.
17:11.05T0mW
17:11.07T0mW$60ea.
17:11.09T0mW
17:11.11T0mW$80ea.
17:11.13T0mW21 - 40 sqin.
17:11.15T0mW$15ea.
17:11.17T0mW
17:11.19T0mW$45ea.
17:11.21T0mW
17:11.23T0mW$65ea.
17:11.25T0mW
17:11.27T0mW$85ea.
17:11.28prpplaguei wish i would get the guts to send in one of my own to get done
17:11.35T0mW41 - 60 sqin.
17:11.37T0mW$20ea.
17:11.39T0mW
17:11.41T0mW$50ea.
17:11.43T0mW
17:11.45T0mW$75ea.
17:11.47T0mW
17:11.49T0mW$95ea.
17:11.51T0mWow
17:11.53T0mWSORRY!
17:13.55T0mWprpplague: check out their "everyday proto specials": http://www.pcbnet.com/
17:14.00T0mWprpplague: you have to setup an account to see their pricing, nothing more than name, address, phone, etc.
17:14.00T0mWI got 20 boards made for $150
17:14.34T0mW$7.50 a board, but that is their 1..10 sq inch price.  They have a graduated pricing per square inch.  But, unlike Alberta Printed Circuits, they silk + soldermask the boards.
17:14.47T0mW5 business day turn
17:15.44T0mWthe zipit board I had made was only 2.5 sq inch (first board), second board is 1.5 sq inch and was free!
17:16.01T0mWnew customer discount credit
17:25.41T0mWprpplague: what PCB house did you find that did 0.047 protos "one day a week" ?
17:26.49prpplagueT0mW: seems like it was pcbexpress
17:27.01prpplagueT0mW: i'll check with our pcb guy today and find out
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17:31.35T0mWthat is a tough one to find for protos.  IIRC, 0.047 is the board thickness for DIMM sockets
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17:35.05sorphinprpplague: well, bought another motherboard to replace the one i stupidly trashed messing w/ the bios then trying to transplant the chip, etc
17:35.09sorphinprpplague: this new one
17:35.12sorphinhas a CF slot on it
17:35.20sorphinthat should be fun
17:35.32T0mWprpplague: www.pcbex.com does 0.031, 0.047, and 0.062 protos
17:36.03sorphinT0mW: hey old timer
17:36.24T0mWsorphin: good morning, well after noon for me
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17:37.32sorphinT0mW: here's your teeth, and your geritol, now get to work ;)
17:39.24T0mWsorphin: yeah, I've got to get back to work on the other project.  I've taken too much time off it to get some other stuff accomplished.  the customer is eager to finish it.
17:39.59T0mWprpplague: check with the pcb guy, the pcbex only does 0.047 under special promo codes.
18:14.03chouimathi T0mW sorphin prpplague
18:14.05chouimatToday fortune: Spelling is a lossed art.
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18:14.33T0mWchouimat: esp on irc
18:14.57chouimatT0mW: yup
18:15.16T0mWs/yup/yes/
18:15.21T0mW:P
18:17.22chouimathehe
18:20.11chouimatA father picks up his son after school and asks him how his day has been.
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18:24.56prpplaguechouimat: hey
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19:40.11prpplagueman i love this s3c2410 board
19:40.13prpplagueit rocks
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22:19.28ljpif you love it so much, why dont you marry it?
22:19.35ljpoh, hes not here.
22:28.09kergothhttp://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5812502455.html looks nifty. is that qtopia in the screenshot? :)
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22:32.52ljphmm. dont know
22:46.04CosmicPenguinSure looks like it
22:46.17kergothi want one
22:46.36CosmicPenguinheh
22:46.42CosmicPenguinthats the maximum level of being geeky
22:47.33ljpnaaa. that calender icon looks like GPE
22:47.44ljpand there's no Q start button
22:48.40CosmicPenguinThose do look like GPEish icons
22:49.00CosmicPenguinNow that I think about it - kind of old school though
22:49.17CosmicPenguinCertainly not picogui or Microwindows
23:22.41kergothhmm.  it does look good, whatever it is
23:39.30ljphttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4802928.stm
23:48.20CosmicPenguinman - I wish somebody would take over maintainership of dosfstools
23:48.45kergothyou know you want to :P
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23:48.52CosmicPenguinI sort of do
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