| 00:02.16 | CosmicPenguin | So I wrote a fun presentation, and just realized that its only about a 1/3rd of what I promised on my abstract |
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| 00:16.34 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: heh, thats no good |
| 00:16.48 | CosmicPenguin | oh, well |
| 00:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | I've got time |
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| 01:05.41 | landley | Anybody here know how to boot a PPC kernel under qemu? |
| 01:05.52 | landley | (I take it I shouldn't look for a zimage?) |
| 01:06.31 | landley | I got as far as -M prep -nographic -append "console=ttyS0" |
| 01:06.42 | landley | It loads something. It says it's booting it. And it hangs... |
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| 03:46.52 | Russ | chouimat: yup, valgrind uses special x86 instructions |
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| 04:20.12 | T0mW | sounds like something I used to do when I repaired automobile engines: grind the valves |
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| 13:05.56 | prpplague | hehe CELF speaker list: |
| 13:05.58 | prpplague | Taking the plunge - the marriage of X86 and embedded Linux Jordan Crouse AMD |
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| 13:40.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: boo |
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| 14:24.45 | diJenerate | goodmorning all |
| 14:29.40 | Wingnut | good morning |
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| 14:47.17 | prpplague | cbrake: hey bud |
| 14:47.26 | prpplague | cbrake: how goes it? |
| 14:47.29 | dizzey | anyone played with the ambicom wl11000c on arm? |
| 14:47.42 | prpplague | cbrake: still doing arm dev? |
| 14:48.06 | prpplague | dizzey: not familiar with that, that a wireless chipset? |
| 14:48.39 | dizzey | prpplague: yeah it's prism |
| 14:48.54 | prpplague | dizzey: 2.5 or 3? |
| 14:51.22 | dizzey | good question trying to find out |
| 14:51.54 | dizzey | 2.5 |
| 14:52.29 | CosmicPenguin | boo? |
| 14:52.41 | CosmicPenguin | Don't make me come down there |
| 14:52.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:52.58 | prpplague | <prpplague> hehe CELF speaker list: |
| 14:52.58 | prpplague | <prpplague> Taking the plunge - the marriage of X86 and embedded Linux Jordan Crouse AMD |
| 14:53.02 | CosmicPenguin | Thats me |
| 14:54.47 | cbrake | prpplague: hey, not during much w/ ARM ATM. |
| 14:55.04 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh |
| 14:55.06 | cbrake | prpplague: been mostly mips and Altera NIOS for the past year. |
| 14:55.30 | cbrake | prpplague: and some x86 |
| 14:55.31 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh cool, i saw that NIOS had been added to buildroot |
| 14:57.08 | cbrake | prpplague: you still doing a lot w/ the handheld terminal company -- can't remember the name ... |
| 14:57.32 | prpplague | cbrake: yea, still with www.amltd.com |
| 14:57.47 | cbrake | prpplague: good deal |
| 15:00.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll send you my presentation when I get it done |
| 15:00.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you'll laugh |
| 15:00.53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: also, did you see who else was speaking at the same time as me? |
| 15:01.27 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: have you done any x86 OE builds lately? |
| 15:02.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the page i saw didn't have times on it |
| 15:06.27 | prpplague | anyone have experience using ALTGR modifier? |
| 15:10.32 | cbrake | prpplague: so are you using buildroot for your rootfs builds? |
| 15:11.14 | prpplague | cbrake: yea, i'm a buildroot person, although i recognize that OE is a good tool, it just doesn't fit our needs very well |
| 15:11.49 | cbrake | prpplague: nod. OE is powerful, but it rarely works out of the box. |
| 15:12.05 | ade|desk | does most of the time |
| 15:12.58 | cbrake | prpplague: right now I'm trying to get a build to work for x86 and working through toolchain building issues. |
| 15:13.23 | cbrake | prpplague: does buildroot include X windows and GTK? |
| 15:13.27 | ade|desk | just lately had problems with glibc locale build faults, |
| 15:14.56 | cbrake | ade|desk: maybe I have something set up incorrectly -- I'll try an ARM build as a sanity check. |
| 15:15.08 | cbrake | ade|desk: have you done any x86 builds lately? |
| 15:15.19 | prpplague | cbrake: yea it includes several x variants |
| 15:15.30 | prpplague | cbrake: not sure about the GTK though |
| 15:15.47 | cbrake | prpplague: what do you use for graphics on your terminals? |
| 15:16.41 | ade|desk | cbrake indeed no x86 lately, good point though i need to do a new x86 uclibc build, will start that on moday |
| 15:17.20 | cbrake | ade|desk: ok, I'm interested in hearing how it goes |
| 15:17.58 | cbrake | ade|desk: I would like to do a little more debugging of OE, but have not had the time lately :-\ |
| 15:18.12 | ade|desk | me too, moving to new Xorg stuff will be fun |
| 15:18.50 | prpplague | cbrake: we have a custom fb lib |
| 15:19.00 | prpplague | cbrake: basically a small windowing app |
| 15:19.03 | cbrake | prpplague: nod |
| 15:19.22 | prpplague | cbrake: our lcd screen is 160x160 so we needed something a little different |
| 15:19.30 | prpplague | cbrake: plus we don't have ts support |
| 15:19.55 | prpplague | cbrake: we are planning to release it under GPL in a few weeks |
| 15:20.24 | cbrake | prpplague: cool. |
| 15:25.40 | prpplague | hmm, i can;'t seem to make my altgr work properly |
| 15:29.53 | prpplague | ahh got it |
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| 16:00.00 | prpplague | sjhill: ho ho ho |
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| 16:09.13 | sjhill | prpplague: hi hi hi |
| 16:13.32 | CosmicPenguin | cbrake: yeah, I do x86 OE builds all the time |
| 16:15.23 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: I'm having trouble getting the toolchain to build -- have you made any toolchain/libc related modifications to OE? |
| 16:15.40 | CosmicPenguin | cbrake: modifications, no |
| 16:15.45 | CosmicPenguin | cbrake: creative configurations, yes |
| 16:15.58 | CosmicPenguin | cbrake: you're probably running into the glibc-initial thinks the gcc is too old bug? |
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| 16:16.57 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: nod |
| 16:17.04 | CosmicPenguin | cbrake: yeah, thats annoying as all get out |
| 16:17.11 | CosmicPenguin | cbrake: here's our machine conf |
| 16:17.47 | CosmicPenguin | PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross = "4.0.2" |
| 16:17.47 | CosmicPenguin | PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross-initial = "3.4.4" |
| 16:17.52 | CosmicPenguin | It works |
| 16:18.01 | CosmicPenguin | for now - I don't know how 2.4 will react though |
| 16:18.11 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: thx, I'll give it a try. |
| 16:18.13 | CosmicPenguin | though you would also assume that 2.4 would be more friendly to 4.0.2 |
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| 16:20.53 | Genesis | plop |
| 16:21.20 | Genesis | does someone know i.mx21 bootstrap methods ? |
| 16:30.16 | CosmicPenguin | Later! |
| 16:32.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: spi keyboard is working out well |
| 16:33.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sweet |
| 16:33.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: much better than the original sh^htuff |
| 16:33.28 | Genesis | :)) |
| 16:33.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we changed a couple items though |
| 16:34.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: instead of sending ascii values we are sending pc scan codes now |
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| 16:38.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey timmy |
| 16:38.27 | prpplague | TimRiker: hows your friday in the beehive state? |
| 16:43.52 | TimRiker | ok, doing eye drops every 20 minutes. got a cronjob that calls festival to remind me. ;-) Had Lasik a couple weeks ago, and my eyes are still drier than they should be. |
| 16:51.02 | Genesis | bye |
| 16:55.56 | prpplague | TimRiker: ahh |
| 16:56.42 | kergoth | lasik eh, thats cool. i should think about that |
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| 16:57.41 | prpplague | sjhill: you? again? |
| 16:57.50 | CosmicPenguin | That exodus lasted all of 20 minutes |
| 16:58.05 | sjhill | how would you like a nice coconut to the head, hmmm? |
| 16:58.14 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 17:22.08 | T0mW | morning |
| 17:22.40 | prpplague | hasn't been morning for one hour and 22 minutes |
| 17:23.14 | T0mW | yeah, fskin vmware issues, all night, hours trying to get vmware to run a linux install properly. bleh |
| 17:23.36 | CosmicPenguin | sucks to be you |
| 17:23.47 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: and onto you my Son |
| 17:24.21 | T0mW | sorry, I seem to be having a bad time of it today |
| 17:26.57 | CosmicPenguin | I'm very happy that xorg did a 6.9 and a 7.0 release at the same time |
| 17:27.07 | CosmicPenguin | that reduces the suckage factor on us vendors |
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| 18:01.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 18:02.46 | CosmicPenguin | pong |
| 18:03.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: need your $0.02 on something |
| 18:04.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that spi keyboard, i need to add a procfs entry to read the firmware version from the keyboard |
| 18:04.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i assume i need to use a spinlock to prevent keyboard data from being read while i'm doing the procfs read, correct? |
| 18:05.28 | CosmicPenguin | That depends |
| 18:06.01 | CosmicPenguin | Do you need to read the firmware version in real-time? |
| 18:06.12 | prpplague | no |
| 18:06.22 | CosmicPenguin | Can you read it while you're still probing the device? |
| 18:07.20 | prpplague | ahh i see what you are saying, no i need read it dynamically |
| 18:07.45 | prpplague | doesn't have to be real time, but it needs to happen when requested |
| 18:07.58 | prpplague | if that wording makes sense |
| 18:09.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nm, i think i know what i will do |
| 18:09.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks, hehe |
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| 18:13.35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - no, I wasn't done talking! |
| 18:13.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I was going to say that if you need to do it dynamically, then yes, you should probably lock it |
| 18:14.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:14.16 | CosmicPenguin | or have a "request queue" of some sort, and block the read process until it comes back |
| 18:15.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea what i was thinking is just set a flag so on the next keyboard read it grabs the version as welll |
| 18:15.41 | CosmicPenguin | That might work |
| 18:16.04 | CosmicPenguin | you'll want to set up a proper wait queue so multiple /proc readers will all get woken up at the same time |
| 18:17.14 | prpplague | hmm, yea |
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| 18:19.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so anyway, my CELF presentation is at the same time as Greg KH's "how to write a linux driver" presentation |
| 18:19.57 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:20.02 | CosmicPenguin | so I'll have crickets.. :) |
| 18:20.06 | prpplague | with the temp probe |
| 18:20.08 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 18:31.01 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you're doing a celf presentation? what about? |
| 18:31.19 | kergoth | i never did get over to a celf meeting while i was at ti. should have |
| 18:31.29 | prpplague | <prpplague> Taking the plunge - the marriage of X86 and embedded Linux Jordan Crouse AMD |
| 18:31.44 | kergoth | ah. |
| 18:31.46 | kergoth | slick |
| 18:32.04 | CosmicPenguin | Right now its mainly about our build process |
| 18:32.17 | CosmicPenguin | but I'm going to extended it to talk about the image too - unionfs and the like |
| 18:32.22 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you going to talk about the difference in mindset between x86 embedded and non? the tendency to want to just stuff redhat on the device and stuff? |
| 18:32.25 | kergoth | ah, thats cool |
| 18:32.27 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:32.31 | kergoth | you're using unionfs? how well is that working? |
| 18:33.24 | prpplague | whats a good example of procfs entry thats writeable? |
| 18:33.24 | kergoth | last time i tried it i hit a bunch of panic issues :\ |
| 18:33.24 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: yeah, thats exactly the thesis.. :) |
| 18:33.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:33.27 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: good point - I actually haven't used a image with it in about 6 months |
| 18:33.27 | CosmicPenguin | but last time I used it it was working fine |
| 18:33.27 | kergoth | hehe. thats cool |
| 18:33.27 | kergoth | i'm surei ts improved |
| 18:33.58 | CosmicPenguin | I've been playing with our simulator for a while now, and I was lazy and just made that an ext2fs rootfs |
| 18:34.37 | kergoth | you guys seen http://www.bigbold.com/snippets/ ? |
| 18:37.32 | prpplague | no, looking |
| 18:38.01 | prpplague | interesting |
| 18:38.27 | kergoth | public place to store useful tidbits of code, with tagging |
| 18:38.30 | kergoth | quite cool |
| 18:39.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: procfs entry thats writable? |
| 18:39.06 | kergoth | lots of stuff there, even shell scripts and configuration tidbits for sysadmin stuff |
| 18:39.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: stuff in sys/kernel I guess |
| 18:39.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea thats what i was thinking as well |
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| 18:40.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i looked at some of the net stuff , but it appears to use some additional functions specific to the net stuff |
| 18:41.14 | CosmicPenguin | What sort of example do you need? |
| 18:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | function protocol? |
| 18:41.21 | CosmicPenguin | s/protocol/prototype/ |
| 18:41.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe backlight, found one on hh.o |
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| 19:17.24 | prpplague | muhahaha |
| 19:19.51 | prpplague | picture 2 headed snacks and 6 legged cows |
| 19:20.01 | prpplague | s/snacks/snakes |
| 19:20.41 | prpplague | ok no more coffee for me today |
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| 19:29.26 | prpplague | wheeeee |
| 19:29.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: stick a fork in it, its done! |
| 19:30.13 | prpplague | if i keep this up, i'll be back on schedule by eod |
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| 19:46.15 | kergoth | i have 4 4 hour arm builds to do. i started them last night, but ran out of disk space, so i cant finish those tasks today :\ |
| 19:46.18 | kergoth | gr |
| 19:46.31 | prpplague | doh |
| 19:46.59 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm just keeping my fingers crossed that i can get caught back up by eod |
| 19:47.17 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm already gonna have to come in over the weekend, but i just hate being behind schedule |
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| 20:02.45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nice |
| 20:21.42 | prpplague | doh had duplicate local var |
| 20:21.56 | prpplague | hate it when that happens |
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| 22:49.14 | CosmicPenguin | great, I just moved my servers, and memory issues start happening |