| 00:18.03 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: having fun with openoffice I see ;) |
| 00:20.31 | CosmicPenguin | never |
| 00:20.40 | chouimat | hehe |
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| 01:17.03 | chouimat | LOL http://members.cox.net/bluegargoyle/images/Understand-Panda.jpg |
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| 12:37.39 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:38.59 | prpplague | T`2: problems? |
| 14:50.40 | MonMotha | prpplague: only if you want to IRC anonymously... |
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| 15:12.50 | ade|desk | yay my wife has just picked up an amstrad E3 emailer :) .. omap here we come |
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| 15:21.09 | prpplague | ade|desk: hehe |
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| 15:25.30 | superchick1 | anyone here is working on sdio driver? |
| 15:25.40 | superchick1 | for omap |
| 15:26.06 | CosmicPenguin | Probably not - somebody might be working on the SD driver that just got put in the kernel, though |
| 15:26.11 | CosmicPenguin | speaking of which |
| 15:26.22 | CosmicPenguin | mindfunk: any new news on last week's exciting rumor? |
| 15:27.42 | mlehrer | what's the rumor |
| 15:28.12 | superchick1 | 2.6.16 has a mmc driver |
| 15:28.56 | superchick1 | any guys willing to help me get an sdio driver get started |
| 15:29.25 | CosmicPenguin | superchick1: at the current time, SDIO is propriatary, so none of us know how it works |
| 15:29.34 | prpplague | superchick1: no specifications |
| 15:30.03 | superchick1 | thats frustating. half the specification is open and the other half is closed |
| 15:30.32 | CosmicPenguin | Sort of |
| 15:30.37 | mindfunk | CosmicPenguin: hrm... no real news |
| 15:30.45 | CosmicPenguin | the SD is half open, and thats only version 1.01 |
| 15:30.47 | CosmicPenguin | mindfunk: suck |
| 15:30.56 | prpplague | superchick1: even if you implement the stack there is some legal grey areas about the stacks |
| 15:30.59 | mindfunk | CosmicPenguin: the lawyers are working out the licensing... |
| 15:31.13 | CosmicPenguin | mindfunk: as long as action is happening, thats good enough for me |
| 15:31.25 | mindfunk | CosmicPenguin: lawyers are slow, also |
| 15:31.29 | superchick1 | time is running out for me |
| 15:31.52 | prpplague | superchick1: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6640645071.html |
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| 15:42.43 | tsowell | mindfunk: lunch |
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| 15:46.14 | mindfunk | tsowell: yeah, but later |
| 15:46.27 | tsowell | of course |
| 15:52.37 | CosmicPenguin | it gives me nightmares |
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| 16:11.49 | mindfunk | tsowell: lets go to lunch, got a 1 oclock meeting |
| 16:11.55 | mindfunk | tsowell: omw to the lab |
| 16:12.03 | mindfunk | tsowell: will stop at will's on the way |
| 16:12.08 | tsowell | okay |
| 16:12.18 | tsowell | why don't I come to your cube? |
| 16:12.24 | tsowell | isn't will in training? |
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| 16:14.14 | mindfunk | tsowell: oh yeah |
| 16:14.19 | mindfunk | tsowell: ok, you come here then |
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| 16:19.36 | mbuf | is there any way to make a patch such the symbolic link files are retained ; i created a patch using "diff -Nur" and on applying it, the directory gets copied for a symbolic link file |
| 16:21.26 | prpplague | mbuf: symlinks shouldn't be used as part of source as they are difficult to represent in revision history |
| 16:22.08 | mbuf | prpplague, even when creating a kernel patch ? |
| 16:22.45 | Wingnut | the only symlink in the kernel tree is from asm to asm-$ARCH |
| 16:23.01 | mbuf | Wingnut, also arch inside asm-$ARCH |
| 16:23.20 | mbuf | in that case we should create separate patches for each directories ? |
| 16:23.32 | Wingnut | right...and those are created by the compilation process |
| 16:25.07 | Wingnut | not necessarily...if you are patching stuff in the asm directory, you're really patching asm-$ARCH |
| 16:25.13 | prpplague | mbuf: you should always issue a "make distclean" before generating a kernel patch |
| 16:25.31 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:25.41 | CosmicPenguin | it is? |
| 16:25.45 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, thats why I feel like crap |
| 16:25.46 | kergoth | i'd recommend using quilt rather than doing diff -urNd between kernel trees |
| 16:25.55 | kergoth | but if you're going to, make sure you using dontdiff |
| 16:26.04 | kergoth | diff -urNd -X /path/to/dontdiff |
| 16:26.04 | mbuf | i see |
| 16:26.06 | kergoth | will make life easier |
| 16:26.11 | kergoth | its a list of generated files in kernel trees to ignore |
| 16:26.11 | CosmicPenguin | Always use quilt |
| 16:26.16 | CosmicPenguin | quilt will save your life |
| 16:26.16 | kergoth | ~quilt |
| 16:26.18 | ibot | methinks quilt is http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/quilt/ |
| 16:26.37 | kergoth | regarding dontdiff, iirc its in Documentation/ in recent kernel trees |
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| 16:42.00 | prpplague | mbuf: generating patches for the littlechips board? |
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| 16:42.45 | mbuf | prpplague, yup |
| 16:42.53 | prpplague | mbuf: 2.6? |
| 16:43.16 | mbuf | prpplague, yeah, i already have uploaded 2.6.12.3 patch in my site |
| 16:43.27 | prpplague | mbuf: cool news |
| 16:43.29 | mbuf | prpplague, but, i didn't create the patch, lot of things to learn :( |
| 16:43.39 | mbuf | prpplague, it has SD/MMC support, i have tested it |
| 16:43.52 | prpplague | mbuf: i wish i could use the 2.6 series, too many legacy issues |
| 16:44.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, i should be able to get you the source on the enc28j60 shortly |
| 16:44.27 | CosmicPenguin | sweetness |
| 16:44.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was thinking about posting it on the elinux.org site, but i thought i'd check with you first |
| 16:44.41 | mbuf | prpplague, actually Wolfgand Denk, from Denx Systems Engineering, Germany, suggests embedded folks to use 2.4 as 2.6 is not for embedded work |
| 16:44.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: see if you needed sometime with it first |
| 16:45.04 | mbuf | *Wolfgang |
| 16:45.17 | CosmicPenguin | Thats just sour grapes in my opinion |
| 16:45.42 | prpplague | mbuf: yea, well the opinions about the 2.4 vs. 2.6 are like noses, almost everyone has one |
| 16:45.51 | CosmicPenguin | They went back and forth on that on the LKML, and nobody could come up with anything more substantial then 2.6 "feels slower" |
| 16:46.10 | mbuf | prpplague, i am having a big learning curve to cope with 2.6, probably its just me - time-to-market is also crucial |
| 16:46.43 | mbuf | UTLK, 3rd edition, Indian edition has been published few days back, yet to buy the book |
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| 16:47.42 | mbuf | can anyone point me to a quick quilt tutorial or howto ? |
| 16:48.05 | prpplague | mbuf: no its not just you |
| 16:48.10 | CosmicPenguin | quilt --help |
| 16:48.13 | CosmicPenguin | Really, its easy |
| 16:48.20 | CosmicPenguin | you create a directory, called patches/ |
| 16:48.28 | CosmicPenguin | you put a file in that directory, call it series |
| 16:48.34 | CosmicPenguin | put the list of patchs to apply in order in that file |
| 16:48.48 | CosmicPenguin | then you use quilt push to add a patch in the stack, and quilt pop to remove it |
| 16:48.56 | CosmicPenguin | When you want to add a file to a patch, use quilt add <file> |
| 16:49.00 | CosmicPenguin | then modify it |
| 16:49.03 | mbuf | CosmicPenguin, i see |
| 16:49.09 | CosmicPenguin | quilt refresh rebuilds the patch |
| 16:49.17 | CosmicPenguin | there's more advanced stuff, but you can read the help for that |
| 16:49.39 | mbuf | interesting |
| 16:49.51 | mbuf | its more like CVS |
| 16:52.11 | kergoth | not quite, cvs has a ton of individual deltas, no 'changeset' type at all |
| 16:52.22 | kergoth | a patch is a changeset that you can dynamically add deltas to |
| 16:52.28 | mbuf | i see |
| 16:53.22 | CosmicPenguin | Once you start using it, you'll wonder how you ever survived without it |
| 16:53.51 | kergoth | yes. everyone who does feels that way |
| 17:07.01 | T`2 | prpplague, tor :( |
| 17:07.14 | prpplague | tor? |
| 17:07.37 | T`2 | i guess someone was DoS'ing freenode thru tor.. so they shut the legitimate users out i think |
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| 17:34.40 | file | andersee! |
| 17:35.56 | andersee | file: morning |
| 17:36.03 | file | andersee, mornings are evil |
| 17:36.11 | chouimat | hi * |
| 17:36.21 | andersee | chouimat: howdy |
| 17:37.08 | chouimat | andersee: not bad ... me bored so I'm writing an xBase front-end for gcc 4.1 ... being bored is dangerous :) |
| 17:38.39 | andersee | xBase front end? what in heavens name would a database front end for gcc do used for? |
| 17:38.46 | andersee | s/do/be/ |
| 17:39.43 | chouimat | andersee: clipper |
| 17:40.13 | chouimat | andersee: it's a general purpose language |
| 17:40.51 | andersee | if you say so |
| 17:41.15 | andersee | sortof like the same way sendmail is a general purpose language? |
| 17:42.42 | chouimat | andersee: no dBase was the database ... clipper is based on the dbase language but with a lot of improvement look at the link here http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1902 |
| 17:43.41 | CosmicPenguin | YOu should |
| 17:43.52 | andersee | I suppose it couldn't be any more painful that programming using SQL |
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| 18:18.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is there an easy way to pull a copy of a bitkeeper repo without having to install the nightmare of bitkeeper |
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| 18:40.41 | prpplague | crap crap crap |
| 18:40.48 | mbuf | i was lookinat quilt.pdf, doesn't give me elabore examples, is there any other documentation for quilt giving simple examples with multiple files and multiple patches, and probably illutration all quilt commands? |
| 18:53.20 | prpplague | i hate bitkeeper |
| 18:56.56 | mindfunk | prpplague: that's the first negative I've heard about bk |
| 18:58.15 | prpplague | mindfunk: never have liked it |
| 18:58.25 | prpplague | mindfunk: cvs or git or svn |
| 18:58.28 | prpplague | mindfunk: all good |
| 18:58.37 | prpplague | mindfunk: they all have their issues |
| 18:58.46 | prpplague | mindfunk: but imho bk is just evil |
| 18:58.53 | mindfunk | interesting |
| 18:58.59 | mindfunk | yeah, all CM sucks |
| 18:59.30 | mindfunk | the "good" tools have a good balance between intrusiveness and CM abilities |
| 19:01.49 | prpplague | finally found a bkclient that i can just do a pull from the bkbits pages |
| 19:02.02 | prpplague | they have it totally burried on their web page |
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| 19:06.05 | prpplague | kergoth: new season of the doc starts on april 15th |
| 19:06.28 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm hopin CBC will carry it soon |
| 19:09.05 | kergoth | nice |
| 19:11.34 | prpplague | rumor has it that billie piper will be leaving after the 3 seasons |
| 19:11.37 | prpplague | season |
| 19:18.35 | prpplague | kergoth: btw, how goes it anyway? |
| 19:18.55 | prpplague | kergoth: get settled? not living in a hotel anymore are ya? |
| 19:19.51 | prpplague | coffee bad, beer good |
| 19:20.38 | kergoth | prpplague: still in a hotel for now, though finances are now such that i can get out of it at any time now |
| 19:20.50 | kergoth | prpplague: gf from south carolina moved out here, flight got in last night |
| 19:20.57 | prpplague | kergoth: cool |
| 19:21.06 | kergoth | been a long distance relationship for 3 years, spent a total of like 30 days together in that time |
| 19:21.11 | kergoth | so a pretty big deal |
| 19:21.37 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, yea, well, hopefully that means you are good friends |
| 19:21.49 | prpplague | kergoth: but things have a way of changing when you move intogether |
| 19:22.13 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/tardisodes/ |
| 19:23.00 | kergoth | things do change, but i'm pretty confident it should go well. we started out as just friends, so that helps |
| 19:25.01 | prpplague | kergoth: just use a tazer on her if she mentions marriage, after about 10 or 12 times she'll get the idea |
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| 19:27.30 | prpplague | alright who let the damm dirty ape in here |
| 19:28.13 | prpplague | mallum: how goes it? |
| 19:28.13 | mallum | prpplague: good good, and you ? |
| 19:28.19 | prpplague | mallum: still raking in the biz from nokia? |
| 19:28.38 | prpplague | mallum: thirsty, need a good IPA and some indian take away, hehe |
| 19:32.53 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe, her friends at work kept bringin it up. she just calmly explained that we've only spent like 30 days together in person, and to think that over |
| 19:35.08 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 19:45.57 | mindfunk | kergoth: just say "no" to marrage... |
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| 19:46.20 | mindfunk | kergoth: just buy her a house, then send her a check every week... it's easier |
| 19:46.56 | tsowell | haha |
| 19:47.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:47.44 | kergoth | i gotta say, its not very romantic, but i've never seen teh point in marraige, at least not as a legal entity |
| 19:47.58 | kergoth | lets live together, by all means. for the rest of our lives, barring either of us doing something fucking stupid, sure |
| 19:48.07 | mindfunk | yeah... there is no point unless there are children... |
| 19:49.00 | prpplague | marriage is just a pre-divorce party |
| 19:49.11 | mindfunk | party? |
| 19:49.41 | mindfunk | it's pre-devorce torture |
| 19:49.55 | mindfunk | divorce even |
| 19:52.04 | prpplague | mindfunk: i ment the wedding |
| 21:07.40 | mindfunk | god I hate rational rose |
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| 21:19.30 | CosmicPenguin | I hate documentation |
| 21:19.50 | mindfunk | yeah, except when I need it |
| 21:20.17 | mindfunk | they make us used f***ed up ms-word templates here |
| 21:25.39 | CosmicPenguin | I tend to refuse to do stuff like that |
| 21:26.01 | Wingnut | so did I, then I got a stern talking to from Larry Randall |
| 21:26.08 | Wingnut | he's now my new arch enemy |
| 21:26.15 | mindfunk | well, that would be equivalent to resigning.... |
| 21:27.04 | CosmicPenguin | Its equivelent to me not getting promoted |
| 21:28.04 | CosmicPenguin | The doc2 stuff is pretty common |
| 21:28.08 | CosmicPenguin | its the 2doc stuff that will get you |
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| 23:38.24 | T` | its listed as "Known bugs" for sometime now in ls.c .. hmm |
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