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| 02:40.23 | fishhead | CANUCKS! |
| 02:40.24 | fishhead | :D |
| 02:40.39 | fishhead | anyone here need rs422 isa cards? |
| 02:40.58 | fishhead | socket 7 motherboards |
| 02:41.01 | fishhead | oh wtf |
| 02:41.09 | fishhead | stupid freaking bug |
| 02:50.16 | fishhead | http://www.eserviceinfo.com/ |
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| 13:21.41 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
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| 15:00.10 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 15:08.40 | T0mW | prpplague: poiunkkt |
| 15:09.00 | prpplague | T0mW: you get my email? |
| 15:09.30 | T0mW | naw, just getting started this morning. |
| 15:09.38 | T0mW | cannot see yet |
| 15:10.08 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe ok |
| 15:10.30 | prpplague | T0mW: short and sweet, we are using the framethrower from www.edtp.com for our early tests |
| 15:10.52 | prpplague | T0mW: they are using a bel stewart MagJack |
| 15:11.17 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, looked at that, and some others. Did some research and came up with a magnetic. |
| 15:11.33 | T0mW | they always throw me, choosing the magenetic |
| 15:12.26 | T0mW | prpplague: I cannot believe that I've crammed it onto this card! |
| 15:13.01 | T0mW | prpplague: denser, and denser, and denser! |
| 15:13.09 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:13.24 | prpplague | T0mW: you found an extra line for the spi CS then? |
| 15:13.49 | prpplague | T0mW: give me the scoop |
| 15:21.12 | T0mW | prpplague: if I start putting anything else on this board, I'll have to consider removing some of the silkscreened part letters. |
| 15:21.58 | T0mW | "IC15" is too long, we'll call it "F" |
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| 15:24.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:25.12 | prpplague | T0mW: how are you gonna connect the 10baseT? with a dongle? |
| 15:25.53 | prpplague | T0mW: ???????? |
| 15:26.05 | prpplague | T0mW: schematic available yet? |
| 15:27.43 | T0mW | naw, still putting stuff on the schematic. Nothing wild, another LPC2000 design |
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| 15:40.02 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm trying out something new for me to do with a pcb layout. That is to have the top layer be GND and the bottom layer is VCC. Never done it that way before. |
| 15:47.30 | prpplague | T0mW: oh oh |
| 15:47.41 | prpplague | T0mW: i thought you were doing something with the zipit |
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| 15:48.34 | T0mW | prpplague: that is a personal fillin project. I've got to pay taxes.. |
| 15:48.50 | T0mW | pay the taxman |
| 15:48.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:48.56 | prpplague | yea i have to file an extension today |
| 15:49.03 | T0mW | get food, buy women |
| 15:49.07 | T0mW | err |
| 15:49.17 | T0mW | get women, buy food? |
| 16:08.31 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:34.41 | T0mW | prpplague: why would I need ethernet for the zipit? |
| 16:41.47 | prpplague | T0mW: no idea, just someone was asking about it |
| 16:42.33 | T0mW | prpplague: probably that berinXXX what ever, he has some stupid ideas |
| 16:45.18 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 16:45.30 | prpplague | i hate dealing with taxes |
| 16:46.06 | mindfunk | tsowell: ping |
| 16:46.17 | tsowell | mindfunk: pong |
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| 17:19.54 | Crofton | prpplague, who do you have to pay taxes too? |
| 17:31.12 | prpplague | Crofton: the freakin IRS, hehe |
| 17:31.52 | Crofton | thats pretty insulting |
| 17:32.11 | Crofton | they won't let your family live in the country, yet you still pay them taxes |
| 17:32.58 | tsowell | oh yeah, what happens if one's taxes are late? |
| 17:33.07 | Crofton | prison |
| 17:33.16 | tsowell | no, seriously |
| 17:33.25 | Crofton | interest and penalties |
| 17:33.30 | Crofton | do they owe you? |
| 17:33.49 | tsowell | I don't know. I couldn't find my W-2 last night |
| 17:33.56 | tsowell | and therefore couldn't file for an extension |
| 17:34.02 | Crofton | heh |
| 17:34.02 | tsowell | talk about a catch 22 |
| 17:34.06 | Crofton | make up shit |
| 17:34.14 | Crofton | to get the extension files |
| 17:34.20 | Crofton | assume you will et 0 back |
| 17:34.23 | prpplague | tsowell: just do an estimate |
| 17:34.31 | prpplague | tsowell: how many w-2's have you got? |
| 17:34.41 | tsowell | one, from 2004 |
| 17:34.45 | Crofton | do you have a pay stub from the end of last year? |
| 17:34.46 | tsowell | is there still time to mail an extension? |
| 17:34.50 | Crofton | yeah |
| 17:34.51 | tsowell | nope |
| 17:34.56 | Crofton | until midnight |
| 17:34.59 | tsowell | oh score |
| 17:35.00 | prpplague | tsowell: yea, till midnight, or you can do it online |
| 17:35.08 | prpplague | tsowell: i just did an online extension |
| 17:35.18 | tsowell | through which site? |
| 17:35.23 | prpplague | tsowell: really should try to file something |
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| 17:35.54 | prpplague | tsowell: http://free.number1tax.com/aboutfreefile.htm |
| 17:36.00 | prpplague | tsowell: irs certified |
| 17:36.18 | tsowell | excellent.. thanks. I'll see if I can find an old paystub tonight |
| 17:36.43 | prpplague | tsowell: extensions are free, but other services may not be |
| 17:37.11 | prpplague | Crofton: yea it is pretty shitty |
| 17:37.29 | prpplague | Crofton: very very frustrating |
| 17:37.33 | Crofton | yeah |
| 17:37.44 | Crofton | They interviewed me around Feb 1 |
| 17:37.51 | prpplague | oh yea? |
| 17:37.59 | Crofton | still haven't got around to telling me when the naturalization ceremony is |
| 17:38.10 | prpplague | Crofton: seems about right |
| 17:38.26 | Crofton | The congress critter's staph says it should occur in Mid May |
| 17:38.33 | Crofton | I just want a passport |
| 17:38.38 | prpplague | Crofton: we are suppose to hear some on april 28th about donna's visa, but i doubt they will tell us anything new |
| 17:39.07 | prpplague | Crofton: yea, i guess you can't attend any conferences and such outside the country |
| 17:39.15 | Crofton | Can you go to the local emabssy? Maybe they are more helpful |
| 17:39.16 | Crofton | yeah |
| 17:39.27 | prpplague | Crofton: thats where i am going |
| 17:39.31 | Crofton | no vacation outside country for a couple of years |
| 17:45.21 | tsowell | I left the financial info fields blank, because they weren't "required fields" |
| 17:53.49 | prpplague | tsowell: ahh |
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| 18:10.34 | Masta-G | Hi, I let buildroot make a toolchain for sh4 (little endian) uclibc linux (gcc-3.4.5) and it finished without any errors |
| 18:10.59 | Masta-G | however when I load it on my dreamcast I get |
| 18:11.00 | Masta-G | VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem). |
| 18:11.00 | Masta-G | Freeing unused kernel memory: 64k freed |
| 18:11.00 | Masta-G | �Can't modify Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 18:11.00 | Masta-G | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.19 | Masta-G | I set my kernel to init=/linuxrc |
| 18:11.30 | Masta-G | and there is also a dev with all the nodes |
| 18:20.31 | sjhill | Masta-G: how about you set init=/bin/bash or init=/bin/sh |
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| 18:21.05 | Masta-G | the same... because they all link to /bin/busybox |
| 18:21.25 | Masta-G | it seems uclibc has a configure error, it wont load modules with text |
| 18:22.17 | sjhill | huH? |
| 18:23.38 | Masta-G | it wont load libbusyboxso.1 since it has a textsection... |
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| 19:14.24 | fishhead | looks like dell just came out with a sub $1000 dual core notebook |
| 19:14.25 | fishhead | GOOD |
| 19:14.27 | fishhead | go dell |
| 19:14.40 | fishhead | accelerate multicore cpu's becoming the standARD |
| 19:14.49 | fishhead | this insane mhz pumping shit has got to stop |
| 19:15.06 | fishhead | it's good for some things and a total waste for others |
| 19:16.49 | fishhead | I am so glad that intel, etc ran nakked body first flat against a brick wall |
| 19:16.56 | fishhead | cmos scaling mhz vs power usage and heat wise |
| 19:17.11 | fishhead | about time they are forced to start designing efficiency |
| 19:20.03 | fishhead | I ain't bashing x86, I think for it's market even at 100 watts it's still a good bang for the power buck |
| 19:20.09 | fishhead | but it's getting a little rediculous |
| 19:21.49 | sjhill | this has nothing to do with embedded linux |
| 19:21.58 | sjhill | shut up and go somewhere else |
| 19:22.42 | fishhead | actually it does |
| 19:22.48 | fishhead | embedded systems |
| 19:22.55 | fishhead | power efficiency of the hardware |
| 19:23.25 | fishhead | anything that the mainstream desktop market forces onto the industry as a whole |
| 19:23.34 | fishhead | will trickle down into embedded |
| 19:23.47 | sjhill | not necessarily |
| 19:23.59 | fishhead | yeah of course it can always be stopped short |
| 19:25.08 | fishhead | but the more companies concerned about power efficiency the more demand for cmos designing tools that forcus on this and the more engineers skilled in power effiency vs performance there might be |
| 19:25.30 | fishhead | whatever those tools are called |
| 19:25.34 | fishhead | that lay out all the transistors |
| 19:26.53 | fishhead | hate to admit but dell, etc drives a lot of the industry |
| 19:27.36 | prpplague | because they appeal to the PHB's just like cisco does |
| 19:27.41 | fishhead | PHB ? |
| 19:28.33 | fishhead | but my point was anything volume that gets the designers, the cmos tool companies, the cmos support chip designers and the foundries all investing more in power efficiency |
| 19:28.42 | fishhead | is good for the embedded space eventually also |
| 19:29.53 | prpplague | ~PHB |
| 19:29.55 | ibot | hmm... phb is pointy-haired boss (from dilbert) |
| 19:29.58 | fishhead | hehehe |
| 19:30.24 | fishhead | sorry sjhill I am not trying to rub you the wrong way here |
| 19:30.51 | fishhead | I am not here to make enemies even though I seem to have a natural talent to do so even when I am not trying to :P |
| 19:31.47 | tsowell | mindfunk: ping |
| 19:32.25 | fishhead | anyone here sampled the new amd embedded geode platform yet? |
| 19:32.37 | fishhead | I guess it's a mini-itx form factor but it takes pc104 cards |
| 19:34.27 | fishhead | I saw some stuff from SST but I think I seen from a few others too |
| 19:34.33 | prpplague | tsowell: you get your extension filed? |
| 19:34.39 | tsowell | prpplague: yeah |
| 19:35.00 | tsowell | thanks for the tips |
| 19:35.03 | fishhead | flash with only like 1000 write cycle life, worthless for flash drives, etc but might be perfect for storing embeddedfirmware and cheap enough to wipe otp out for a large part of the map :) |
| 19:35.11 | fishhead | extension? |
| 19:35.14 | tsowell | now I don't have to go to federal PMITA prison |
| 19:35.23 | prpplague | tsowell: np, it said its suppose to be 24-48 hours on acceptance |
| 19:35.26 | fishhead | oh you visa guy in us ? |
| 19:35.30 | fishhead | oh taxes |
| 20:13.04 | fishhead | [15:27] [tsowell VERSION] |
| 20:13.15 | fishhead | need something? or are you just curious? or you looking for a fight |
| 20:15.33 | tsowell | all of the above |
| 21:28.06 | franta | Hi, can anyone help me how compile kernel (2.4.31) for buildroot (uclibc snapshot, target i486). Host is i686/glibc 2.4/2.6.16. I can't found usable info |
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| 21:38.48 | tsowell | franta: there's a package called "linux" in buildrooot. one might start there |
| 21:39.21 | prpplague | tsowell: and there are several other examples in the device section |
| 21:39.23 | prpplague | oops |
| 21:39.29 | prpplague | tsowell: sorry that was for franta |
| 21:39.46 | tsowell | it's cool |
| 21:40.02 | prpplague | franta: in addition you can compile the kernel outside of buildroot as long as you add the correct uclibc-gcc path |
| 21:43.39 | franta | tsowell: yes, but linux package hasn't Config.in + linux.mk (last is probably too complex) |
| 21:43.52 | tsowell | yes it does |
| 21:45.11 | franta | prpplague: pls, this device section is where? |
| 21:46.09 | prpplague | http://buildroot.busybox.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/buildroot/target/device/ |
| 21:46.16 | prpplague | there are several examples there |
| 21:56.29 | franta | many thanks, last question: Is better build implicit generic development system and as second step build fine tuned target system or build target in one step? (I not need shadow pwd, wchar and other implicit stuff) |
| 21:57.28 | Wingnut | franta: get it to work first, then start removing things |
| 21:57.59 | Wingnut | I find it easier to TFTP mount a filesystem with everything in it before trying to build the flash image with only the things I need |
| 22:05.13 | franta | thanks all, I go tried next round! |
| 22:07.27 | T`2 | everyone done with their taxes i hope? |
| 22:07.34 | T`2 | today is the deadline :) |
| 22:08.21 | prpplague | still waiting on an acceptance email |
| 22:12.43 | T`2 | oh.. i'm going to mail mine |
| 22:16.17 | fishhead | prpplague |
| 22:16.26 | fishhead | is the videonow jr hackable worth anything ? |
| 22:17.01 | fishhead | http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=YTNSLGZKLUWRIQSNDBESKHA?articleID=185303137 <--- cool mabye supercaps will get cheaper |
| 22:17.16 | fishhead | btw the pixter multimedia was down to $19 but only one there |
| 22:17.19 | fishhead | man was I tempted |
| 22:17.26 | fishhead | but I got too many piles of s*** waiting to be hacked |
| 22:19.09 | fishhead | bah |
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