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| 01:55.03 | Suschman | hello |
| 01:55.24 | T0mW | hello |
| 01:55.30 | Suschman | hi T0mW |
| 01:55.39 | Suschman | ok, i found the zipit way cool |
| 01:55.46 | Suschman | but i cant find any shop here selling it in germany |
| 01:56.01 | Suschman | nevertheless, anyone here willing to buy and ship me one? |
| 01:56.27 | T0mW | Suschman: you won't, it is not RoHS complient and EU just passed RoHS (rare-earth poison metal free) laws. |
| 01:57.01 | T0mW | Suschman: have you tried ebay? |
| 01:57.23 | Suschman | T0mW: i know, i have to deal with this for some time now, damn stuff in conjunktion with our new "recycling directive" for electronic produkts :( |
| 01:57.45 | Suschman | yep, none in Germany, and only shipment to us on ebay.com |
| 01:59.26 | T0mW | Suschman: that is a backlash of East Germany and all the pollutant dumping that their industries did for many years, correct? |
| 01:59.43 | Suschman | no... |
| 02:00.03 | Suschman | the rohs is from the EU parlament to reduce lead and such in the products |
| 02:00.05 | T0mW | no, IIRC, I was reading about the industrial waste problems the East had |
| 02:00.15 | T0mW | Suschman: yeah, right. |
| 02:00.26 | T0mW | I know that, it was the EU parlement |
| 02:01.09 | Suschman | the recycling derective manly tells that now all electronic products have to be recycled upon the rules set for its device class |
| 02:01.52 | T0mW | I live in Pennsylvania, which is next door to New York & New Jersey, two heavily populated states. We get a lot of waste & garbage trucked in for dumping here. Eventaully, we are going to have similar ground water problems sometime in the future. |
| 02:02.08 | Suschman | problem is that they made the system damn stupid, you have to register your company, pay yearly fees, and someday you get a note like "there is a box of devices of the class you sell in the amount of weight you produced the last xx month |
| 02:02.32 | Suschman | and then YOU have collect it up where the box is to recycle this stuff |
| 02:02.52 | T0mW | Suschman: I guess they never should have let the French & Belgians join the EU, huh? |
| 02:02.52 | Suschman | sure you call a specialist for this, but you habe to pay and from the law site YOU have to recycle |
| 02:02.58 | Suschman | hehe ;) |
| 02:04.07 | Suschman | the recycling stuff is not linked to rohs, but with it, you habe loads of problems if your a small company |
| 02:04.35 | Suschman | caus you pay the fees in forward if your busines goes bancrupt |
| 02:04.41 | Suschman | (!) |
| 02:05.21 | Suschman | its the usual way EU makes laws, like the one describing the alowed grade of curfing for bananas |
| 02:05.24 | Suschman | no yoke |
| 02:05.50 | T0mW | Suschman: I think that California has some laws like that. |
| 02:06.32 | Suschman | i read about your car-smoke rulez |
| 02:06.49 | T0mW | Suschman: Interesting thing, I tried to get rid of a CRT, you know, big glass computer monitor? Well, it does contain a lot of rare earth poisons and I wanted to dispose of it properly. |
| 02:06.50 | Suschman | quite anoying in a country where driving is this essential |
| 02:07.45 | T0mW | Suschman: I could not find anyone to take it for disposal. The local government just told me to put it in the trash for pickup as if it were vegetable waste or such. |
| 02:08.14 | Suschman | yep, not good for envoirenment but for busines |
| 02:08.48 | T0mW | Suschman: I think that what intimidates people about selling something overseas, such as ebay, is the paperwork you have to do to send something over to Europe. |
| 02:09.40 | T0mW | You have to declare what it is, what is the country(ies) of origin for the materials, whether the device is on the restricted list of technologies, etc. |
| 02:09.57 | Suschman | yea |
| 02:10.09 | Suschman | but not that deal |
| 02:10.25 | T0mW | Shipping to Canada is a lot easier now with the North American Free Trade agreement. |
| 02:10.39 | Suschman | declaration toy or videogame (no import taxes) price 10$ and go |
| 02:10.48 | Suschman | same sheme like liksang if you know |
| 02:11.27 | Suschman | dont mind the wifi frequencies, eu has imho one slot more then us |
| 02:11.39 | Suschman | channel |
| 02:11.50 | T0mW | I shipped a product to Belguim one time, it was an electronics kit (Ham Radio) that I was selling many years ago (about 8 years ago). The forms were confusing, but what sucked was that Danny had to pay like 40% custom. |
| 02:12.17 | Suschman | i now run a fon.com hotspot in linus mode, zipit would be way cool since here are lots of spots around |
| 02:12.37 | T0mW | Then, he had a problem with the unit, sent it back for repair, and then he couldn't convince Custom that this was his unit already paid for and had to pay custom again! |
| 02:12.58 | Suschman | its all the price declaration, german tax guys dont usually dont chek presents with low price declaration :) |
| 02:13.14 | T0mW | heh |
| 02:13.19 | Suschman | aah, if its proken, its my bad |
| 02:13.38 | Suschman | like it runs on most imports, ever tried sending back to liksang ? : |
| 02:13.39 | Suschman | :D |
| 02:13.49 | Suschman | broken, of course |
| 02:14.58 | Suschman | i may know your forms from a sample chip order, with funny nags to confirm that im not an irake, dont want to build bombs and such wired questions |
| 02:15.31 | Suschman | whats the price at all, hadn found it on radioshak |
| 02:15.46 | T0mW | lol |
| 02:15.47 | T0mW | heh |
| 02:16.06 | T0mW | Suschman: they are getting really bad with this crap lately |
| 02:16.59 | T0mW | Suschman: I was reading that the recent laws that they have passed make it nearly impossible for junior chemists to get small quantities of chemicals today in the United States. |
| 02:17.43 | T0mW | Suschman: heck, I mixed powdered aluminum + potassium nitrate together when I was a kid, fun to make things go bang! |
| 02:18.15 | Suschman | naah, zipit is alsa a carry bag, hard to google for a shop x) |
| 02:18.19 | T0mW | Suschman: especially for that dog that would lunge at you as you walked to school |
| 02:18.27 | Suschman | heh |
| 02:18.41 | T0mW | zipit -handbag -bag -purse* -zipper |
| 02:18.52 | T0mW | I just checked, all shipping to the US |
| 02:19.13 | T0mW | Suschman: did you ask on the Zipit Group on Yahoo? |
| 02:19.44 | Suschman | not yet, mainly caus i dislike yahoo stuff ... |
| 02:20.12 | T0mW | me too, but there are a few groups there that I do get involved with: Philips LPC2000 |
| 02:20.39 | T0mW | Philips tech support people monitor that group and chime in from time to time |
| 02:20.54 | T0mW | that is one of the processors that I design with lately. |
| 02:21.33 | Suschman | was this the 8051 or arm series ? |
| 02:21.43 | T0mW | ARM7TDMI |
| 02:22.08 | Suschman | kay |
| 02:22.18 | T0mW | No MMU, just 8K..512K flash, 8K..64K SRAM |
| 02:22.27 | T0mW | basically a 32bit 8051 |
| 02:22.31 | Suschman | know them, have a sample here |
| 02:22.42 | Suschman | know that you that portet linux to them ? |
| 02:23.46 | Suschman | http://www.ulrichradig.de/home/index.php/arm/lpc22xx_board |
| 02:23.55 | Suschman | throw it into babelfish or so |
| 02:24.03 | Suschman | its an lpc with sram and ylinux |
| 02:24.07 | T0mW | http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=pd_sl_aw_tops-1_electronics_14569983_2/104-8401844-4491158?search-alias=aps&keywords=zipit%20wireless%20messenger |
| 02:24.16 | Suschman | stuniung 0.08x bogomips and an rtl8019 atached |
| 02:24.17 | Suschman | hehe |
| 02:24.37 | Suschman | but works |
| 02:24.56 | T0mW | That is uClinux, no thanks, I've used uClinux before. The main issue with it is memory fragmentation |
| 02:25.22 | Suschman | http://www.ulrichradig.de/site/arm_projekts/ARM_uClinux_Projekt/gfx/boot.JPG |
| 02:25.27 | T0mW | Without an MMU, it is difficult to avoid fragmentation from malloc() & free() calls |
| 02:25.32 | Suschman | yep |
| 02:26.51 | T0mW | Suschman: the arm720 and arm92x processors are available from so many vendors and the prices are coming down. It just makes sense to drop 32Meg / 64Meg of SDRAM onto the card (single chip), have an MMU and don't worry about it. |
| 02:27.29 | T0mW | The project that I'm doing now, I'm planning on using the Samsung S3C2410 (ARM922T @ 200MHz) |
| 02:28.12 | T0mW | Then string a bunch of cards on the SPI circuit to do the data collection / realtime stuff. |
| 02:29.44 | Suschman | hehe |
| 02:38.03 | Suschman | http://va3uxb.dynip.com/ <- hehe, kewl |
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