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| 02:47.39 | wmat | wow, microcross gnu x-tools cost a bit eh |
| 02:48.05 | wmat | http://microcross.com/Microcross-2007-price-list.pdf |
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| 14:03.58 | cbrake | wmat: hmm, cross tools are nice, but they don't solve the major problem in my opinion -- building embedded Linux distributions. |
| 14:04.24 | cbrake | wmat: cross tools from commercial vendors that is. |
| 14:07.42 | wmat | cbrake: i've not actually used a commercial crosstool before, i've always built them using Kegel's crosstool, buildroot, or from scratch |
| 14:08.22 | wmat | correction, i've used the KPit crosstool for SH |
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| 14:23.31 | cbrake | wmat: yup, same here. Been using oe for most things recently. |
| 14:24.01 | cbrake | wmat: its a pitty commercial tools vendors don't build on top of buildroot and OE. Add value instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. |
| 14:24.17 | wmat | absolutely |
| 14:25.50 | wmat | it also makes me think you could take 4 people from this channel and collectively build a business distributing and supporting toolchains AND contribute back at the same time |
| 14:27.56 | wmat | oh wait, that's what codesourcery does, isn't it |
| 14:33.54 | sjhill | the OpenWRT guys have made a product and built on top of buildroot |
| 14:34.34 | Crofton | the nslu2 guys are doing a similar thing with OE |
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| 14:38.21 | cbrake | I'm thinking more about tools for building complete distributions as this is in my mind the difficult problem. The problem of building toolchains seems to be pretty much under control. |
| 14:38.45 | cbrake | I guess in the end though, you still need to know whats going on, so fancy tools on top of buildroot/oe would probably only add marginal value. |
| 14:40.57 | wmat | define "complete distribution" though? do you mean, a "kernel, bootloader, and filesystem"? or are you including userspace? |
| 14:41.35 | Crofton | I can build working "software defined radio" images for the OSK using OE |
| 14:42.05 | cbrake | wmat: everything -- kernel, bootloader, filesystem and a build system to build and package custom applications. |
| 14:42.08 | Crofton | mind you, they aren't great "radios" but that is my fault |
| 14:42.41 | cbrake | Crofton: neat! |
| 14:42.54 | Crofton | very much so |
| 14:43.07 | cbrake | Crofton: yeah, OE is what I use for all my projects. It works very well. |
| 14:44.30 | cbrake | wmat: most of the system I work on require a lot of user space -- python, gtk, web servers, database, etc. |
| 14:45.06 | cbrake | wmat: putting together a system like this with microcross tools would be very difficult. With OE its easy if you understand OE. |
| 14:45.40 | cbrake | wmat: when I look at the microcross tools, I'm thinking "what problem are you solving?, you certainly are not solving my problem" |
| 14:54.28 | wmat | for their seat costs, they must be solving someone's ;) |
| 14:54.59 | wmat | more power to them though, as more embedded linux can't be a bad thing |
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| 15:24.19 | cbrake | wmat: right :-) |
| 15:24.42 | AndrewB | Hey. |
| 15:27.42 | wmat | is it just me or is the OE site down? |
| 15:27.44 | wmat | http://www.openembedded.org/ |
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| 15:30.20 | cbrake | wmat: seems to be down here as well. |
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| 15:33.05 | wmat | cbrake: thx |
| 15:33.58 | cbrake | wmat: now it came up |
| 15:33.59 | AndrewB | works here. |
| 15:34.10 | cbrake | wmat: seems to be back now |
| 15:34.17 | wmat | yep, here too, thanks |
| 15:38.22 | sjhill | hmmm |
| 15:43.09 | wmat | chouimat: morning |
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