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| 12:29.14 | RenOS | hello all |
| 12:29.54 | RenOS | I'm looking for a recommendation for a good book for embedded linux |
| 12:30.12 | RenOS | can anyone propose a book? |
| 12:30.30 | CcSsNET | i suggest hands on aprouch |
| 12:30.47 | CcSsNET | and trying most of the options available |
| 12:31.14 | RenOS | CcSsNET, I've done that already and have some good results |
| 12:31.17 | CcSsNET | openwrt,ddwrt,open embedded, angstrom |
| 12:31.21 | CcSsNET | o ok |
| 12:31.28 | RenOS | I'm concern about secutiry issues |
| 12:31.33 | CcSsNET | like? |
| 12:31.45 | RenOS | and approaches such as modular kernel vs non modular |
| 12:31.57 | CcSsNET | well dont use modular unless u have to |
| 12:32.03 | CcSsNET | thats a trivial issue |
| 12:32.27 | RenOS | well, I didn't knew that. I'm not using a modular kernel |
| 12:32.41 | RenOS | but everythime i need to do something different (enable tun) |
| 12:32.51 | RenOS | i have to recompile the kernel and flash the devices |
| 12:33.13 | CcSsNET | ok, as for other security related things. make sure /tmp is got its own partition so u can mount it noexec, nodev, nosuid, noatime |
| 12:33.29 | CcSsNET | symlink /var/tmp to this ^ |
| 12:33.43 | CcSsNET | symlink any virtual file systems to this ^ |
| 12:33.51 | CcSsNET | like gnome-vfs |
| 12:33.55 | CcSsNET | or whatever |
| 12:33.57 | RenOS | yeap, that's about the things I would like to sort out |
| 12:34.14 | CcSsNET | ehm, look into PaX patching your kernels |
| 12:34.33 | CcSsNET | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.38 | CcSsNET | as a cflag |
| 12:34.43 | CcSsNET | hrmmm |
| 12:35.01 | CcSsNET | o right, practice safe user permisions, accounting, and groups |
| 12:35.10 | CcSsNET | consider grsec patch |
| 12:35.14 | CcSsNET | for kernel |
| 12:35.20 | CcSsNET | also consider rsbac patch |
| 12:35.25 | RenOS | pax looks great |
| 12:35.37 | CcSsNET | and that covers my intro to security |
| 12:35.42 | RenOS | :-) |
| 12:35.48 | RenOS | great intro though |
| 12:35.52 | RenOS | thanks for your time |
| 12:35.55 | CcSsNET | ya thanks |
| 12:36.01 | CcSsNET | 8 years in the studying |
| 12:36.03 | CcSsNET | :) |
| 12:36.18 | CcSsNET | avoid selinux unless u want to pull out hair |
| 12:36.32 | RenOS | i hate selinux |
| 12:36.36 | CcSsNET | o right, learn iptables |
| 12:36.52 | CcSsNET | possibly learn tcp_wrappers |
| 12:37.01 | CcSsNET | consider appgaurdian |
| 12:37.07 | CcSsNET | consider tuxgaurdian |
| 12:37.17 | CcSsNET | possibly spelt wrong last 2 |
| 12:37.26 | RenOS | no need for tcp wrappers |
| 12:37.32 | RenOS | the device it's pretty small |
| 12:37.37 | CcSsNET | ah |
| 12:37.45 | RenOS | and will only have busybox's httpd server |
| 12:37.50 | RenOS | for displaying info |
| 12:37.52 | CcSsNET | most patches mentioned wont work on embeded systems |
| 12:37.57 | RenOS | I know... |
| 12:38.02 | RenOS | i use a x86 platform |
| 12:38.03 | CcSsNET | k |
| 12:38.09 | RenOS | minimun number of patches |
| 12:38.17 | RenOS | pax might work, will have to test though |
| 12:38.42 | CcSsNET | im running x86_64 dev box, semi hardened. and a mips router/web server semi hardened |
| 12:39.17 | CcSsNET | of course the less running processes/services the more secure a box becomes |
| 12:39.28 | RenOS | the project I work on is a telemetry project |
| 12:39.41 | CcSsNET | telephone related? |
| 12:39.46 | RenOS | nope |
| 12:39.51 | CcSsNET | idk what that is |
| 12:40.00 | RenOS | it takes electricity readings and pushes them to my servers |
| 12:40.17 | CcSsNET | o interesting so a active multimeter |
| 12:40.54 | CcSsNET | many inputs? or single reading point? |
| 12:41.03 | RenOS | single reading |
| 12:41.07 | CcSsNET | hmm |
| 12:41.12 | CcSsNET | clever |
| 12:41.30 | RenOS | it's an overkill at the moment |
| 12:41.35 | CcSsNET | got to keep track of the wattage used eh |
| 12:41.36 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 12:41.54 | RenOS | yeap. you could do that if you by an energy meter |
| 12:41.57 | CcSsNET | they sell wattage usage meters for the wall outlet, self logging |
| 12:42.15 | CcSsNET | there like 25$ |
| 12:42.20 | RenOS | yeap |
| 12:42.32 | CcSsNET | i should order one |
| 12:42.36 | CcSsNET | :-/ |
| 12:42.38 | RenOS | the device I use it's almost the double, 35GBP |
| 12:42.50 | CcSsNET | o wow |
| 12:42.52 | RenOS | that''s just the embedded device |
| 12:43.09 | CcSsNET | im working with 20$ routers |
| 12:43.19 | CcSsNET | for my projects |
| 12:43.24 | CcSsNET | low wattage decent specs |
| 12:43.38 | RenOS | were are you buying them? |
| 12:43.44 | CcSsNET | 200mhz, 64mb ram, 8mb rom |
| 12:43.48 | CcSsNET | ebay |
| 12:44.01 | RenOS | yes, of course |
| 12:44.07 | CcSsNET | ebay is good for buyers, horrible for sellers |
| 12:44.21 | RenOS | http://bifferos.com |
| 12:44.25 | RenOS | this is the board I use |
| 12:45.12 | CcSsNET | i think i just fell in love |
| 12:45.16 | CcSsNET | its even x86! |
| 12:45.23 | RenOS | yeap :-) |
| 12:45.38 | RenOS | you just compile the kernel using your system's gcc :-) |
| 12:45.49 | RenOS | I use openwrt to compile the packages |
| 12:46.05 | CcSsNET | nice |
| 12:46.10 | RenOS | 150MHz, 32MB Ram, 8MB Flash, 49BogoMips |
| 12:47.00 | CcSsNET | not horrible but the price is kinda steep |
| 12:47.05 | CcSsNET | but the size makes it worth it |
| 12:47.10 | RenOS | yes, it's a bit expensive |
| 12:48.01 | CcSsNET | http://atccss.net |
| 12:48.20 | CcSsNET | if u read the site news ull see where i got the info to mod the router site is running from |
| 12:48.46 | RenOS | this site runs from an embedded device!? |
| 12:48.51 | CcSsNET | entirely |
| 12:49.05 | CcSsNET | i can even watch ip traffic in realtime |
| 12:49.10 | RenOS | clever :-) |
| 12:49.10 | CcSsNET | with 2 difrent log systems |
| 12:49.12 | CcSsNET | 1 in php |
| 12:49.14 | CcSsNET | 1 in c |
| 12:49.50 | CcSsNET | i got 2 more sitting here |
| 12:49.56 | CcSsNET | debating what to do with em |
| 12:50.10 | CcSsNET | figure ill mod, preconfigure and sell on ebay for twice i purchased at |
| 12:50.51 | RenOS | I have a bifferboard home acting as nas |
| 12:51.08 | RenOS | (which is what the bifferboard was made for) |
| 12:52.34 | CcSsNET | that sounds fun |
| 12:52.48 | CcSsNET | im trying a hardware mod on this router, adds usb to it |
| 12:53.02 | CcSsNET | so far worked once momentarily, havent had it working again |
| 12:53.56 | CcSsNET | also my current firmware uses a 2.6 kernel so usb support is a no go for now anyway |
| 12:54.04 | CcSsNET | i have to try again with 2.4 series |
| 12:54.11 | RenOS | why? |
| 12:54.17 | CcSsNET | since that has a working usb driver for this chip |
| 12:54.32 | RenOS | 2.6 kernel doesn't support your usb chip? |
| 12:54.34 | CcSsNET | give it a year, and 2.6 probably will too |
| 12:54.42 | CcSsNET | its openwrt specific |
| 12:54.46 | RenOS | I see |
| 12:54.49 | CcSsNET | or embeded kernel specific |
| 12:56.26 | CcSsNET | got angstrom building atm for my ipaq |
| 12:56.41 | CcSsNET | going to try a variety of gui's |
| 12:59.03 | RenOS | angstrom? |
| 12:59.18 | RenOS | got it.. |
| 12:59.40 | CcSsNET | dont bother with the web builder |
| 12:59.47 | CcSsNET | download the git repo |
| 12:59.53 | CcSsNET | build from source |
| 13:00.12 | RenOS | my iPaw is supported! |
| 13:00.39 | CcSsNET | :) |
| 13:00.53 | CcSsNET | i got a ipaq 4350 |
| 13:00.59 | CcSsNET | the one with a keyboard |
| 13:01.16 | CcSsNET | sadly it lacks an alt key! |
| 13:01.25 | CcSsNET | trully fucks with me |
| 13:01.40 | CcSsNET | o right |
| 13:01.41 | RenOS | i have the 5550 |
| 13:01.44 | CcSsNET | no ctrl key either |
| 13:01.51 | RenOS | haven't used for years |
| 13:02.20 | CcSsNET | i might map the windows keys as ctrl and alt |
| 13:02.32 | CcSsNET | paint em even |
| 13:02.33 | CcSsNET | hah |
| 13:02.39 | RenOS | hehehe |
| 13:03.04 | RenOS | looks very promising |
| 13:03.08 | CcSsNET | indeed |
| 13:03.20 | CcSsNET | test out the initramfs version to see what its like |
| 13:03.27 | CcSsNET | built in 2007 though |
| 13:03.31 | CcSsNET | so its outdated |
| 13:04.00 | CcSsNET | theres 5 gui touch environments to choose from |
| 13:04.07 | CcSsNET | forget all there names though |
| 13:04.11 | CcSsNET | 1 is opie |
| 13:04.35 | RenOS | opie is pretty old now |
| 13:04.39 | CcSsNET | ya |
| 13:05.45 | CcSsNET | ive got 5-6 images built for testing now. all default config options, ill try building some custom ones next |
| 13:07.04 | CcSsNET | stoped working on my tablet, eken m002, because ill have to work on it with serial access. figure ill find time later. ipaq first |
| 13:07.45 | CcSsNET | if i get linux on these 2 devices though, fuck. wont need a cellphone ever again... |
| 13:11.39 | RenOS | xaxaxxa |
| 13:11.53 | RenOS | eken runs android, you don't like android? |
| 13:12.10 | CcSsNET | android is bloated, DRM infested, and not true gnu/gpl |
| 13:12.26 | CcSsNET | it only uses the linux kernel |
| 13:12.33 | CcSsNET | all else is proprietary |
| 13:12.47 | CcSsNET | and to top it off, im not fond of the locked dev market |
| 13:12.52 | CcSsNET | screw android |
| 13:13.16 | RenOS | yes, android it's like iOS |
| 13:13.22 | CcSsNET | takes literally 2 minutes to boot |
| 13:13.27 | RenOS | yuo belong to them if you want to develop anything |
| 13:13.42 | CcSsNET | once modded. well i think we know the awnser to boot time |
| 13:13.45 | CcSsNET | :) |
| 13:14.03 | RenOS | hehehe |
| 13:14.09 | RenOS | yeap :-) |
| 13:14.34 | CcSsNET | yea google pulled a fast one on all the linux geeks with android |
| 13:14.50 | CcSsNET | lock in. dirty bastards |
| 13:14.57 | CcSsNET | o, i also dont like jav |
| 13:14.58 | CcSsNET | java |
| 13:15.02 | CcSsNET | and refuse to use it |
| 13:15.13 | CcSsNET | which android has |
| 13:16.15 | CcSsNET | btw. whats up with all the damn CIA bots :P |
| 13:16.26 | CcSsNET | seems 75% the channels im in have one |
| 13:16.29 | RenOS | with who!? |
| 13:16.36 | RenOS | hahahaa |
| 13:17.04 | CcSsNET | #pdpc #flashrom #elinux #edev #coreboot #oe #openwrt-devel #libreplanet #Atlantica.US #angstrom #ttylinux |
| 13:17.06 | CcSsNET | channels |
| 13:17.22 | CcSsNET | eh, pdpc im usually not in it |
| 13:17.53 | CcSsNET | #sourcemage #slitaz #phoronix |
| 13:17.57 | CcSsNET | forgot some |
| 13:18.40 | RenOS | since you don't like facebook they have to get to you somehow.. |
| 13:18.41 | RenOS | ;-) |
| 13:18.49 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 13:19.18 | CcSsNET | its just funny that people choose to use that as there infobot name |
| 13:19.21 | CcSsNET | haha |
| 13:19.53 | RenOS | :-) |
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| 13:24.54 | CcSsNET | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/23/nanotech_super_charge_battery/ |
| 13:24.56 | CcSsNET | o man |
| 13:25.00 | CcSsNET | sign me up |
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