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| 03:53.23 | flyback | ponders quassel |
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| 04:53.41 | cmj141 | hi, is the terminal the same thing as a Shell? |
| 04:54.00 | cmj141 | and is that shell the same as ssh? |
| 04:56.20 | flyback | can be might not be |
| 04:58.23 | cmj141 | ok because im trying to figure out how to describe what i want to learn |
| 04:58.48 | flyback | do you mean the primary console? |
| 04:58.55 | flyback | jusst for watching the bootup etc? |
| 04:58.58 | cmj141 | last time i used linux was 8 years ago.. and at that time there were people in the channels teaching me how to "shell into another computer" |
| 04:59.08 | cmj141 | just shelling in general |
| 04:59.25 | flyback | ssh is the choice for remote shell |
| 04:59.30 | cmj141 | all they ever talked about was shells this and shell that so i want to pick up where i left off |
| 04:59.31 | flyback | but the main console is usually video or serial |
| 04:59.42 | flyback | did you have another nick back then? |
| 05:00.11 | cmj141 | yeah i cant remember it.. i think it was AlphaOmega |
| 05:00.43 | cmj141 | i wish i could remember.. is there a way i can find an old nick by remembering the email address used? |
| 05:02.38 | cmj141 | the reason i wasnt to learn is because i was stuck in some installations where i probably couldve shelled to save the installation |
| 05:05.50 | flyback | yeah I don't remember that nick but my memory is getting wonky |
| 05:06.32 | flyback | I am playing with a lot of embedded stuff that either has a serial port as the main shell or hidden one the manfactueer used but doesn't exposed for the customer |
| 05:06.40 | flyback | example being my mom's tv I brought home to work on |
| 05:08.43 | flyback | has a ttl level serial port that might tell me what the issue is |
| 05:10.05 | flyback | this channel is really more embedded linux oriented |
| 05:10.27 | flyback | hmm |
| 05:13.44 | flyback | you are welcome to idle here but I am trying to think of a better channel for you |
| 05:13.51 | flyback | mabye ##hardware for now |
| 05:14.06 | flyback | I gotta go to the bathroom, bbl message me if you want |
| 05:26.49 | cmj141 | yea the main dude that was helping me was from africa. I was in the ubuntu channel alot... was teaching me Samba I believe it was |
| 05:27.17 | cmj141 | flyback : oh? hidden one? sounds fun :) |
| 05:28.42 | cmj141 | I like everything electronics so I like to idle in all the different chats so i can gather as much info as i can to throw it together and make my own creation |
| 05:30.27 | cmj141 | but embedded linux seems interesting... serial port as a shell, sounds like the kind of stuff i like to learn. |
| 05:31.11 | cmj141 | how do you find the hidden ones.. is it simply looking through endless scripts of stuff hidden behind a '#' |
| 05:32.44 | cmj141 | flyback : would bluetooth somehow relate to anything you mess with? |
| 05:33.06 | cmj141 | im trying to design a bluetooth network |
| 05:33.55 | cmj141 | where i can store the devices into a database and then setup an access to that database via the devices broadband |
| 05:38.39 | flyback | bt is neat because it has non tcpip networking modes |
| 05:38.44 | flyback | like virtual serial |
| 05:38.55 | flyback | going to use that for some devices that are too restricted on memory to do tcpip |
| 05:40.11 | flyback | you can hang in #43oh if you want |
| 05:40.18 | flyback | it's not linux but it's embedded computer chips |
| 05:40.30 | flyback | there are some small linux like os's for them |
| 05:40.43 | flyback | you might also like #sparkfun |
| 05:41.19 | flyback | you will probably have to remind me we spoke in the future since my memory is getting wonky |
| 05:41.23 | cmj141 | haha cool ill def check them out.. is it normal to be in 20-25 channels at once? |
| 05:42.30 | cmj141 | i do everything.. i just started messing around with electronics last year.. built a solar charger for my cell phone. next thing im building is a controller for my brewery (maybe) |
| 05:42.43 | cmj141 | so maybe those channels will help with building the controller |
| 05:43.54 | cmj141 | well my goal right now is learn linux inside out, Java and bluetooth |
| 05:45.33 | cmj141 | and anything else along the way... but i want to learn how i can be able to put bluetooth on any device i want and be able to communicate with it simply |
| 05:46.19 | cmj141 | just by assigning the device an id and then routing the info into the software which then uploads it thru the internet.. to a server i guess?? |
| 05:47.05 | cmj141 | but if elinux can help me gain access into an old laptop that powers on with no display then im also game |
| 05:47.17 | flyback | what do you mean no display |
| 05:47.21 | flyback | did you try external monitor |
| 05:51.55 | cmj141 | the screen stopped working one day.. its a compaq... im surprised it lasted as long as it did. |
| 05:52.29 | cmj141 | would like to find otu whats wrong with.. lots of people are takign their old laptops an turnign them into tablets.. some even with touch screens |
| 05:52.58 | cmj141 | you know what now that i think of it... i dont know if i did or not. i probably did try the s video port and probably didnt work... |
| 05:53.16 | cmj141 | i think i have to turn that on in settings in the laptop too.. cant remember |
| 05:53.54 | cmj141 | it has the old school serial ports on the back |
| 05:54.04 | flyback | good |
| 05:54.06 | cmj141 | no hdmi yet |
| 05:54.08 | flyback | those are damn handy |
| 05:54.11 | flyback | no vga |
| 05:54.14 | cmj141 | yeah i know. |
| 05:54.19 | flyback | I am not thinking about dvi or hdmi |
| 05:54.24 | flyback | just basic vga |
| 05:54.33 | flyback | oh it does have s-video |
| 05:54.34 | cmj141 | i knew i colud do alot of stuff with it but never learned what lol i got too busy with college |
| 05:54.35 | flyback | that should work also |
| 05:54.43 | flyback | you might just need to trigger a hotkey |
| 05:54.53 | flyback | if that works probably bad panel or backlight |
| 05:54.56 | flyback | if it doesn |
| 05:54.58 | flyback | t |
| 05:55.03 | flyback | could be bad gpu, dead cpu, etc |
| 05:55.19 | cmj141 | yeah. i dont want to scrap it.. its a beast. |
| 05:55.30 | cmj141 | it was pretty damn powerful for its time |
| 05:55.42 | cmj141 | theres ports on the back that i dont even know what they use |
| 05:56.11 | cmj141 | the power lights turned on. except the one now flashes where it didnt flash before |
| 05:56.43 | cmj141 | i thoguht it might be a battery.. because my new ASUS turns off now and its a battery thing where i open the tablet up and disconnect the hbattery and reset the computer |
| 05:57.34 | cmj141 | so i figure it cant be major it could be easily fixable and might as well turn it into something useful like a server or a media center for my truck |
| 05:59.36 | flyback | what gpu was it by chance |
| 05:59.38 | flyback | was it nvidia? |
| 06:01.04 | cmj141 | it even has a little 1394 port for whatever that is... |
| 06:01.15 | cmj141 | yeah nvidia rings a bell |
| 06:01.43 | cmj141 | i remember because when i first installed linux i had problems with alot of distros not likeing my nvidia |
| 06:02.46 | cmj141 | its a compaq presario 905 i believe.. has ir port, floppy, dvd, wifi card bus, printer bus, monitor bus, keyboard/mouse, bus, i never saw a laptop with all the plugs liek that |
| 06:03.59 | cmj141 | so what i would like to do is use it to set up a server if possible.. with bluetooth and basically mess around with setting up new devices |
| 06:04.21 | flyback | IF IT'S the nvidia gpu I think it is, you might be out of luck |
| 06:04.35 | flyback | although it might be possible to hack linux on it to auto bootup and then have a serial console |
| 06:04.44 | flyback | if it still responds etc |
| 06:05.08 | flyback | oh it's really old |
| 06:06.38 | flyback | it's 2002 |
| 06:06.42 | flyback | pre nvidia fuckup |
| 06:06.50 | flyback | they made a bunch of chips that crack I have one myself |
| 06:07.04 | flyback | luckily on my laptop the video is a seperate board so I got a refurbed module for $79 |
| 06:09.53 | cmj141 | yeah i bought mine in 2001 i think |
| 06:10.18 | cmj141 | haha yeah compaq sucks. i went through four of them before sticking with that one |
| 06:11.02 | cmj141 | i dont know about the nvidia fuckup but i do remember it wasnt easy getting linux fully working with it |
| 06:11.16 | cmj141 | half of them wouldnt load the installer.. |
| 06:12.22 | cmj141 | but i settled with ubuntu.. like now (Elementary Luna Beta - its slick like a mac) but only becvaus im using a tablet and need something with bluetooth drivers out of the box |
| 06:13.02 | flyback | it's not a compaq problem |
| 06:13.09 | flyback | nvidia nailed all the major laptop vendors |
| 06:13.13 | flyback | they weren't too happy |
| 06:15.27 | flyback | I gotta sleep soon |
| 06:15.41 | flyback | only cause I got 20 min drive to haircut and I don't like to be half asleep |
| 06:17.09 | cmj141 | oh good well maybe i didnt get the crap card |
| 06:17.24 | cmj141 | hopefully ill get her working |
| 06:17.35 | cmj141 | good chatting with ya.. im sure ill cya around |
| 06:17.45 | flyback | yeah try the external vga |
| 06:17.53 | flyback | it could just be the backlight or lcd has given out |
| 06:18.02 | flyback | apprentely the build qualitty on that model was CANUCKED |
| 06:28.11 | cmj141 | haha yeah the plastic on it shattered from the heat and then it lost all its supports. i have a clothes hanger and electrial tape holding the display up |
| 06:28.49 | cmj141 | i see a big thick wire that doesnt look damaged.. i just think it needs a some tinkerin |
| 06:30.59 | flyback | good luck |
| 06:31.03 | flyback | rememeber to avoid static |
| 06:31.08 | flyback | both to it and from it |
| 06:31.25 | flyback | check those urls I gave you in #msp430 |
| 06:31.31 | flyback | err |
| 06:31.34 | flyback | #43oh |
| 06:31.38 | flyback | is getting more senile |
| 06:31.41 | flyback | I am never going to see 40 |
| 06:41.46 | flyback | goodnight |
| 06:42.11 | flyback | goodnight |
| 06:42.13 | cmj141 | haha im already in them |
| 06:42.17 | cmj141 | good night |
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