| 00:03.00 | roxville | sorry dude... why would you want that? (just asking, sounds interesting) |
| 00:03.16 | YaleR | coagen, uh... |
| 00:03.21 | YaleR | use a for statement I guess |
| 00:04.05 | YaleR | while yes; do COMMAND; done? |
| 00:04.33 | YaleR | dunno |
| 00:05.17 | roxville | or an airport beacon... (/me has seen "die hard 2" too many times) |
| 00:05.45 | roxville | guess i shoulda' used a space there... |
| 00:08.22 | YaleR | coagen, I figured it out |
| 00:08.42 | coagen | YaleR: this is correct but see i want to pipe a ps aux output thru grep |
| 00:08.50 | YaleR | while true ; do echo "fag" ; sleep 1 ; done; |
| 00:09.50 | YaleR | eg/ |
| 00:09.58 | YaleR | while true ; do ps aux | grep firefox-bin ; sleep 1; done; |
| 00:10.10 | YaleR | put you might as well learn how to use top |
| 00:10.13 | YaleR | but* |
| 00:11.02 | coagen | YaleR: i would use top but i want to use this for netstat as well |
| 00:11.15 | YaleR | well there you go! |
| 00:11.20 | YaleR | thats how you do it then |
| 00:12.11 | coagen | YaleR: that would be great if it worked |
| 00:12.13 | coagen | :[ |
| 00:12.18 | YaleR | while true ; do echo "fag" ; sleep 1 ; done; |
| 00:12.19 | YaleR | that works. |
| 00:17.04 | coagen | YaleR: it doesnt work |
| 00:17.19 | YaleR | coagen, what does it do? |
| 00:17.26 | YaleR | are you using bash? |
| 00:17.38 | coagen | oh |
| 00:17.39 | coagen | haha |
| 00:17.41 | coagen | nm it does |
| 00:17.43 | coagen | thanks!!1 |
| 00:19.20 | coagen | YaleR: well it works for ps aux |
| 00:19.31 | coagen | YaleR: does not work for netstat |
| 00:19.56 | YaleR | are you root? |
| 00:20.23 | coagen | bah |
| 00:20.27 | coagen | its working now |
| 00:20.27 | YaleR | lol. nerd. |
| 00:20.32 | coagen | :P |
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| 00:23.46 | reliver | did not work. |
| 00:24.02 | roxville | hi reliver ...how di...damn |
| 00:24.04 | roxville | sorry |
| 00:24.11 | YaleR | yo reliver |
| 00:24.34 | reliver | maybe because the drive is SATA ? |
| 00:24.42 | YaleR | what are you trying to do |
| 00:24.46 | reliver | hola reliver :-) |
| 00:24.54 | reliver | hello roxville :-) |
| 00:25.16 | reliver | do you work with SATA drives ? |
| 00:25.17 | roxville | lol, are you drunk and looked in the mirror? |
| 00:25.29 | YaleR | reliver, yes |
| 00:25.38 | reliver | looked in the mirror yes, not a pretty picture :-) |
| 00:25.58 | reliver | ok, do i have to change the jumpers ? |
| 00:26.10 | reliver | it is an external usb harddisk. |
| 00:26.30 | reliver | never drunk though ... |
| 00:26.31 | YaleR | reliver, which distro? |
| 00:26.58 | reliver | Elive now, tried formatting the drive with qtparted in knoppix. |
| 00:27.14 | reliver | can i format it in Elive ? |
| 00:27.16 | YaleR | apt-get install lsusb lsscsi |
| 00:27.31 | roxville | for some reason, i think qtparted sucks |
| 00:27.52 | YaleR | it does |
| 00:27.54 | YaleR | use cfdisk |
| 00:29.12 | reliver | lsusb not found ... |
| 00:29.34 | YaleR | k it probably shows up as scsi anyway |
| 00:29.41 | YaleR | but it's nice to see that it's been found |
| 00:29.47 | YaleR | I wonder if elive uses udev |
| 00:29.59 | YaleR | add a debian repo and grab lsusb |
| 00:30.00 | reliver | i can install udev |
| 00:30.06 | YaleR | don't |
| 00:30.10 | YaleR | well... |
| 00:30.20 | YaleR | you can, but it would make life a little tougher |
| 00:30.33 | reliver | we are on etch/testing, right ? |
| 00:30.37 | YaleR | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 00:30.37 | YaleR | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 00:32.51 | reliver | done |
| 00:33.31 | coagen | wtf the adduser script doesnt work |
| 00:33.33 | coagen | gay! |
| 00:33.42 | YaleR | now check lsusb and lsscsi |
| 00:33.51 | YaleR | probably in lsscsi |
| 00:35.07 | reliver | lsusb not found |
| 00:35.25 | YaleR | did you |
| 00:35.30 | YaleR | apt-get update ; apt-get install lsusb |
| 00:35.50 | reliver | lsscsi no results |
| 00:36.10 | reliver | like this ?: apt-get update ; apt-get install lsusb |
| 00:36.43 | reliver | couldn't find package |
| 00:37.50 | YaleR | really? |
| 00:37.54 | YaleR | add stable |
| 00:38.03 | reliver | many things missing in testing |
| 00:38.09 | YaleR | change testing to stable |
| 00:39.45 | reliver | strange, same result ... |
| 00:40.05 | reliver | couldn't find package lsusb |
| 00:41.15 | YaleR | holy fack |
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| 00:41.27 | reliver | you could send it to me ? |
| 00:41.29 | YaleR | is the thing formatted? |
| 00:41.40 | reliver | it was not. |
| 00:41.46 | YaleR | was not? |
| 00:41.52 | YaleR | is not? |
| 00:41.52 | reliver | i think still not. |
| 00:42.01 | reliver | qtparted crashed ... |
| 00:42.23 | reliver | then the second reboot, qtparted did not see it anymore. |
| 00:42.49 | YaleR | use cfdisk |
| 00:42.52 | YaleR | or fdisk |
| 00:43.14 | reliver | in cfdisk i see: |
| 00:43.25 | reliver | hda1,5,6,7,8,9 |
| 00:43.56 | reliver | but i should see a second installed drive, internal too, |
| 00:44.04 | reliver | and the third, external usb |
| 00:44.06 | reliver | ? |
| 00:45.02 | reliver | ah, i can switch drives in cfdisk ? |
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| 00:48.00 | YaleR | yes |
| 00:48.09 | YaleR | cfdisk /dev/** |
| 00:48.10 | reliver | how ? |
| 00:49.26 | reliver | sda1 ? |
| 00:49.33 | reliver | fatal error |
| 00:49.34 | YaleR | sounds good |
| 00:49.40 | YaleR | cfdisk /dev/sda |
| 00:49.47 | reliver | is that because it is SATA ? |
| 00:50.01 | reliver | same |
| 00:50.35 | YaleR | yes |
| 00:50.41 | YaleR | sata disk a |
| 00:51.11 | reliver | should i try changing the jumpers ? |
| 00:52.09 | YaleR | no. |
| 00:52.20 | YaleR | why? |
| 00:52.26 | YaleR | is this just a drive in a case? |
| 00:53.08 | reliver | yes. |
| 00:53.41 | reliver | changing the jumpers is rarely necessary to limit speed to 1.5 GB/s |
| 01:04.02 | reliver | coagen, would DSL be able to format my usb harddisk ? |
| 01:04.33 | coagen | reliver: not any better than elive |
| 01:05.02 | YaleR | try a live cd like mepis or ubuntu |
| 01:05.24 | reliver | good. |
| 01:05.46 | YaleR | or windows. |
| 01:05.50 | YaleR | windows to format it. |
| 01:06.04 | YaleR | or find it with cfdisk |
| 01:06.10 | YaleR | somehow |
| 01:06.16 | YaleR | or grab udev, and reboot |
| 01:06.35 | roxville | or magicdev... maybe? |
| 01:07.28 | reliver | magicdev and udev, how would they help ? |
| 01:07.58 | YaleR | it will remove all of the unused /dev/ links, and only leave the ones that exist |
| 01:08.07 | reliver | great. |
| 01:10.01 | reliver | udev installed, need to reboot ? |
| 01:10.36 | YaleR | yes |
| 01:10.53 | reliver | brb |
| 01:11.37 | reliver | no, i just see udev was not installed because it needs kernel 2.6.12 |
| 01:11.44 | YaleR | yeah |
| 01:11.53 | YaleR | what kernel are you using? |
| 01:12.02 | reliver | i don't know |
| 01:12.13 | YaleR | kernelversion |
| 01:12.15 | reliver | should i download the new kernel first ? |
| 01:12.22 | YaleR | is it 2.6? |
| 01:12.27 | reliver | 2.6 |
| 01:12.53 | YaleR | thats good... |
| 01:13.32 | reliver | not for udev ... |
| 01:13.50 | reliver | there are 3 easy steps to install 2.6.13: |
| 01:14.08 | reliver | - apt-get install libncurses5-dev kernel-package kernel-source-2.6.13 |
| 01:14.08 | reliver | - cd /usr/src ; rm linux ; tar -xjvf kernel-source-2.6.13.tar.bz2 ; ln -s kernel-source-2.6.13 linux ; make menuconfig |
| 01:14.08 | reliver | For use the old configuration kernel, copy from /boot/config* or /proc/config.gz (gziped file), to /usr/src/linux/.config and type "make oldconfig", after, "make menuconfig" for change all you like |
| 01:14.08 | reliver | For compile the kernel, you only need to type "make-kpkg kernel-image" and this is all, you have a package in /usr/src with the kernel image direct for install with dpkg -i file.deb :) |
| 01:14.26 | roxville | but i installed magicdev, and it is running fine on 2.6.11 |
| 01:15.09 | reliver | done, roxville, thanks :-) |
| 01:15.21 | roxville | and it's depending on udev... i think |
| 01:15.30 | reliver | brb |
| 01:15.37 | roxville | thanks...for what? |
| 01:15.50 | YaleR | for creating magicdev |
| 01:15.55 | roxville | i've just been sitting here chewing on my shoelaces |
| 01:16.00 | YaleR | lol |
| 01:16.02 | YaleR | the tips? |
| 01:16.04 | YaleR | ME TOO! |
| 01:16.10 | roxville | lol |
| 01:16.56 | roxville | it was eshep that tipped me |
| 01:17.22 | roxville | he's who should be thanked |
| 01:17.33 | YaleR | then give him a nice gift |
| 01:17.50 | YaleR | personally I use 2.6.13. |
| 01:17.50 | YaleR | 2 |
| 01:17.58 | YaleR | actually I lied |
| 01:18.04 | roxville | lol |
| 01:18.19 | YaleR | 2.6.13-ck6 |
| 01:18.45 | coagen | i'm using ck6 as well |
| 01:18.54 | roxville | you run elive on that kernel? |
| 01:19.01 | coagen | yes |
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| 01:19.40 | roxville | but...you still don't have nvidia-glx running...do you? |
| 01:20.01 | reliver | i have only an sis card ... |
| 01:20.28 | YaleR | glx sucks |
| 01:20.32 | roxville | i was asking coagen |
| 01:20.32 | coagen | roxville: no i dont |
| 01:20.33 | YaleR | go proprietary |
| 01:20.42 | coagen | as a matter of fact |
| 01:20.46 | coagen | i think i will test that |
| 01:20.47 | coagen | brb |
| 01:20.50 | roxville | lol |
| 01:20.53 | YaleR | you can't use glx with .. |
| 01:20.56 | YaleR | :/ |
| 01:21.03 | roxville | with what? |
| 01:21.14 | YaleR | ck6 |
| 01:21.17 | roxville | he's too fast for his own good :) |
| 01:21.25 | roxville | uh-oh.... |
| 01:21.48 | roxville | it won't install, or he will fuck it up? |
| 01:22.00 | YaleR | probably will just fuckup |
| 01:22.31 | reliver | windows 98 install cd, how would i format my drive with that ? |
| 01:23.39 | YaleR | you probabbly can.t |
| 01:23.45 | YaleR | did magicdev not work? |
| 01:23.59 | reliver | how can i test that ? |
| 01:24.00 | roxville | get an fdisk floppy |
| 01:24.13 | reliver | i have no floppy |
| 01:25.01 | roxville | and...forgive me for sking...your bios is set preperly? |
| 01:25.07 | roxville | asking* |
| 01:26.06 | roxville | but...as YaleR asked...did magicdev not work? |
| 01:26.18 | reliver | how should it be set ? |
| 01:26.36 | reliver | how can i test if magicdev worked ? |
| 01:26.43 | roxville | it just worked for me..out of the box, so to speak |
| 01:27.05 | reliver | how can i see if it works ? |
| 01:27.23 | roxville | brb |
| 01:27.46 | YaleR | look in /dev |
| 01:28.26 | reliver | it is full of stuff. |
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| 01:31.22 | reliver | coagen, high |
| 01:31.42 | coagen | no i not |
| 01:31.46 | coagen | unfortunately |
| 01:32.11 | coagen | and the nvidia driver installer doesnt work on either of my kernels |
| 01:32.12 | coagen | bah |
| 01:32.22 | coagen | complians about the source |
| 01:32.30 | coagen | but i have it installed so i dont know wtf |
| 01:33.57 | reliver | coagen do you have an idea how i could format my external sata drive ? |
| 01:34.42 | coagen | hmm |
| 01:34.47 | coagen | external sata |
| 01:34.55 | reliver | usb, yes. |
| 01:34.57 | coagen | are you rich or something? |
| 01:34.59 | coagen | damn |
| 01:35.00 | coagen | :P |
| 01:35.15 | reliver | no, they are cheap. the box 30$, |
| 01:35.27 | reliver | the drive 120$ |
| 01:35.31 | coagen | word |
| 01:35.53 | coagen | do mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 01:36.08 | coagen | that might do it |
| 01:37.51 | reliver | now that's strange: no such device or address |
| 01:38.00 | YaleR | coagen, you need to grab the kernel headers |
| 01:38.07 | YaleR | for your kernel image |
| 01:38.12 | YaleR | or compile your own |
| 01:38.27 | YaleR | for the nvidia proprietary drivers to work |
| 01:39.13 | coagen | YaleR: i thought that was it |
| 01:39.27 | coagen | YaleR: if i want to compile my own? |
| 01:39.34 | YaleR | ??? |
| 01:39.41 | YaleR | if you just want to compile your own what? |
| 01:39.56 | YaleR | what do you mean? |
| 01:40.24 | coagen | well i compiled a ck6 kernel |
| 01:40.36 | YaleR | oh |
| 01:40.45 | reliver | going to try with pclinux and ubuntu. |
| 01:40.45 | coagen | and /lib/modules/2.6.13-ck6 links correctly to the source |
| 01:40.51 | YaleR | yeah, then you should have your hearders lying around to compile your own modul |
| 01:41.19 | YaleR | and it still complainS? |
| 01:41.22 | coagen | my own modules |
| 01:41.25 | coagen | didnt i compile those? |
| 01:41.37 | coagen | make && make modules &&make modules_install |
| 01:41.41 | YaleR | I mean once you run the nvidia installer |
| 01:41.49 | coagen | ? |
| 01:42.07 | YaleR | it should compile something |
| 01:42.11 | coagen | no |
| 01:42.14 | coagen | i does nothing |
| 01:42.22 | coagen | complians that i dont have varibles set right |
| 01:42.25 | YaleR | k you need to kill X first |
| 01:42.28 | YaleR | did you? |
| 01:42.29 | coagen | like the kernel source shit |
| 01:42.36 | coagen | it was dead alrready |
| 01:42.37 | coagen | ;) |
| 01:42.52 | YaleR | I dunno man, thats weird. |
| 01:42.56 | coagen | yeah |
| 01:43.37 | YaleR | I'm going out for a bit |
| 01:43.38 | YaleR | bbl |
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| 01:52.39 | roxville | man, sometimes i really wish there was a REALL install only cd |
| 01:52.50 | roxville | real even |
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| 02:15.42 | reliver | i hope it's not a hardware error :-) |
| 02:15.59 | reliver | how are your video cards going ? :-) |
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| 02:30.49 | quidam- | nas reliver |
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| 02:52.46 | xrothgarx | hey...could i get a bit of help mounting a usb key? |
| 02:53.42 | xrothgarx | i have never done it before, I think if someone could help me once i could get it |
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| 02:54.43 | Anandamide | hello |
| 02:55.15 | Anandamide | is it safe to use deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive with a regular debian distro? |
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| 02:57.44 | Anandamide | hey dude |
| 02:57.58 | xrothgarx | hello |
| 02:59.08 | roxville | hey, what's going on? |
| 02:59.28 | Anandamide | installing debian on a usb key |
| 02:59.28 | xrothgarx | im just curious about mounting a usb flash drive |
| 02:59.37 | Anandamide | i tried knoppix but could not get it in rw mode |
| 02:59.44 | xrothgarx | i just need to read my key :) |
| 02:59.49 | Anandamide | i tried hacking the linuxrc in the minirt.gz |
| 03:00.33 | roxville | so you both have the same prob? |
| 03:00.45 | Anandamide | xrothgarx, do a lsmod and look for usb-storage |
| 03:00.54 | Anandamide | if its there your most likely cool |
| 03:01.20 | Anandamide | just tail -f /var/log/messgaes and plug it in, you should see something |
| 03:01.41 | Anandamide | you can cat /proc/partitions to see if you have sd something |
| 03:01.49 | Anandamide | usually sda1 |
| 03:02.06 | Anandamide | then just mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
| 03:02.15 | roxville | unless you have a card reader, they like to take those |
| 03:02.17 | Anandamide | make sure /mnt/sda1 exist |
| 03:03.27 | roxville | in elive, i had to use gparted to find my firewire drive...was not what i usually was |
| 03:04.36 | roxville | not the most elegant solution, i know... |
| 03:05.06 | Anandamide | yea, your not very elegant ;) |
| 03:05.48 | roxville | worked though :) |
| 03:06.34 | quidam- | ciao everybody |
| 03:06.45 | roxville | ciao quidam- |
| 03:06.58 | roxville | buenas noches |
| 03:07.04 | xrothgarx | sda1 does exist |
| 03:07.07 | quidam- | hey roxville hello and good bye jejejejeje |
| 03:07.07 | xrothgarx | let me try |
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| 03:08.07 | xrothgarx | it says i must specify the filesystem type...i tried vfat and it still didnt work |
| 03:08.36 | xrothgarx | when i try vfat it says /dev/sda1 is not a valid black device |
| 03:09.21 | roxville | i got that too alot before |
| 03:09.36 | roxville | xrothgarx, are you SURE it is sda1? |
| 03:09.54 | xrothgarx | i also tried mounting it to usbflash (a dir i made) |
| 03:10.03 | xrothgarx | im not sure IT is sda1 but i know there is a sda1 |
| 03:10.41 | Anandamide | xrothgarx, make sure that you have the correct /dev/sd* |
| 03:10.42 | roxville | is there a sda2? or 3? or sdb or sde? |
| 03:10.47 | Anandamide | it doesnt matter where you mount it |
| 03:10.55 | Anandamide | yea there is also sdb |
| 03:11.07 | Anandamide | it depends on how many ports you have i think |
| 03:11.07 | roxville | try that |
| 03:11.20 | Anandamide | just /proc/partitions to see if its there |
| 03:11.34 | Anandamide | you should see sd*1 |
| 03:12.23 | xrothgarx | just hda6 and sda1 (and usbflash that i made) |
| 03:12.32 | xrothgarx | and i dont have a card reader |
| 03:12.41 | xrothgarx | just 1 hd, 1 cd and the flash drive |
| 03:12.51 | roxville | this usb thing has to be adressed soon |
| 03:13.05 | Anandamide | oh did you update you kernel image? |
| 03:13.13 | Anandamide | refer to the wiki |
| 03:13.19 | Anandamide | doh i forgot |
| 03:13.30 | Anandamide | new udev is funky and needs 2.6.12 |
| 03:13.44 | Anandamide | you should have seen a dmesg failed alert |
| 03:14.16 | xrothgarx | i know a saw a couple of failed alerts, one was for pcmcia and the other i didnt see what it was for |
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| 03:15.39 | roxville | wb coagen |
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| 03:15.39 | coagen | thx |
| 03:15.39 | coagen | i'll bbl |
| 03:15.39 | roxville | xrothgarx, has almost the same prob you have |
| 03:15.40 | coagen | gotta run |
| 03:15.40 | roxville | oh, ok |
| 03:15.50 | roxville | "i just came back to say good bye" |
| 03:15.59 | xrothgarx | o so it's not just me...that is good to know |
| 03:16.19 | roxville | oh no dude, it's a BIG prob right now |
| 03:17.25 | xrothgarx | well i can live with it right now...i am still excited about elive...it has been the only distro that i finally installed to my hd |
| 03:17.54 | xrothgarx | I wish some programs had better support in enlightenment 17 but its ok for now |
| 03:18.18 | roxville | really? cool! |
| 03:18.48 | roxville | it's the only distro i've tried that i wanted to be part of...you know, chat and stuff |
| 03:19.05 | xrothgarx | ya...well you helped me once before too (updating after the install) |
| 03:19.11 | roxville | and i really like(d) my... "u" |
| 03:19.20 | xrothgarx | so im glad you have been a part of it |
| 03:19.28 | roxville | lol, thx |
| 03:21.00 | xrothgarx | do you know of anyway to install mythtv ontop of enlightenment? I know there is a debian package somewher but it seemed to crap out on my like most things |
| 03:21.08 | roxville | there is an e17 config app that is pretty good...it's a little raw, but really helpful |
| 03:21.15 | roxville | it's called erme |
| 03:21.26 | xrothgarx | is it on the elive site? |
| 03:21.28 | roxville | just apt-get it |
| 03:21.47 | roxville | apt-get update && apt-get install erme |
| 03:21.57 | xrothgarx | a little more info? i did apt-get for a few things but i really dont know how to use it enough |
| 03:22.53 | roxville | the line above your last should be enough |
| 03:23.25 | roxville | or open synaptic, no shame in that |
| 03:23.30 | xrothgarx | man i thought that wasnt going to work...su fixed that |
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| 03:23.51 | roxville | oh yes, you have to be root...sorry |
| 03:23.52 | fanelia | hooola |
| 03:24.05 | roxville | hello fanelia |
| 03:24.09 | fanelia | desde pocket pc/ipaq) + putty movil + irssi |
| 03:24.11 | fanelia | jiji |
| 03:24.19 | roxville | muta? |
| 03:24.24 | fanelia | mutacion m serbjiji |
| 03:24.30 | fanelia | siip jiji |
| 03:24.36 | fanelia | qiubolebrox |
| 03:24.42 | xrothgarx | "some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead" |
| 03:24.53 | roxville | not bad dude, how are you? |
| 03:25.27 | roxville | hmmm, did it still install erme? |
| 03:25.32 | fanelia | good |
| 03:25.38 | fanelia | well have to go |
| 03:25.47 | xrothgarx | also failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/packages.gz |
| 03:25.51 | fanelia | later i send u the screenshot jiji |
| 03:25.55 | roxville | i can tell, you are all jiji's tonight! :) |
| 03:25.57 | xrothgarx | no such file or dir |
| 03:25.58 | fanelia | apt bye |
| 03:25.59 | apt | l8tr |
| 03:26.23 | roxville | ok |
| 03:26.50 | roxville | as root: scite /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:27.34 | xrothgarx | what do i add? :) i have been to this before (where i tried to install mythtv from) |
| 03:27.40 | roxville | deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive |
| 03:27.40 | roxville | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 03:27.40 | roxville | deb http://www.morphix.org/debian/ ./ |
| 03:27.40 | roxville | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 03:27.40 | roxville | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main |
| 03:28.34 | roxville | trash the rest for now, or put an # in front of them (the rest, that is) |
| 03:30.36 | roxville | the # should be far left and then a space before the line, to uncomment properly |
| 03:30.45 | xrothgarx | that one is working |
| 03:31.05 | xrothgarx | looks like it is done |
| 03:32.18 | roxville | good |
| 03:32.24 | roxville | then exit root |
| 03:32.32 | roxville | just type exit |
| 03:32.45 | xrothgarx | got it |
| 03:32.53 | roxville | then :erme |
| 03:33.14 | roxville | are you in e17? |
| 03:33.21 | xrothgarx | ya |
| 03:33.24 | roxville | ok |
| 03:33.39 | xrothgarx | :erme "command not found" |
| 03:34.21 | roxville | then you can create an icon by clicking or right-clicking in the upper left corner of the window |
| 03:34.38 | roxville | oh... |
| 03:34.53 | roxville | you just did an update...or did you install? |
| 03:35.32 | xrothgarx | i think so |
| 03:35.33 | xrothgarx | haha |
| 03:35.51 | roxville | LOL |
| 03:36.00 | roxville | ok, let's try again |
| 03:36.07 | xrothgarx | same apt get command? |
| 03:36.18 | roxville | yep, as root! |
| 03:36.40 | xrothgarx | i dont know why this always happens to me...all my xbox hacking stuff gets updated right after installs too |
| 03:37.00 | roxville | it's enough if you highlight it in here and then middle-click in eterm...or should be |
| 03:37.31 | xrothgarx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.48 | roxville | ya, that's weird... but then again, i never owned an xbox |
| 03:37.59 | roxville | ok |
| 03:38.18 | roxville | then erme should work! |
| 03:38.25 | roxville | try it as root then |
| 03:39.18 | xrothgarx | you mean installing or :erme |
| 03:39.29 | roxville | just: erme |
| 03:39.39 | roxville | erme |
| 03:40.21 | roxville | it really should work as user though |
| 03:40.32 | xrothgarx | Error: enlightenment_remot cannot set up the UPC socket. maybe try the '-display :0.0' option? |
| 03:40.48 | roxville | i got that too... |
| 03:40.51 | xrothgarx | o wait...did it as usr and it worked |
| 03:41.07 | roxville | ok...dumb question: are you SURE you are in e17? |
| 03:41.16 | roxville | ah, ok |
| 03:41.52 | xrothgarx | thats not even a dumb question...i was a computer tech for 4 years |
| 03:42.09 | xrothgarx | nothing in a dumb question when you are trying to walk someone through something and you are not there |
| 03:42.16 | roxville | erme stands for: enlightenment_remote made easy |
| 03:42.54 | roxville | the modules section is cool: it lists ALL the modules! |
| 03:43.01 | xrothgarx | well it definatly looks easier than what this probably would have taken for me to do it manually |
| 03:43.44 | roxville | saves ya a shit-load of typing too! that _ can be a bitch |
| 03:44.08 | xrothgarx | ya i know how it is...im just glad elive let me install with DVORAK |
| 03:44.26 | xrothgarx | that was even a bigger paint trying to type in a qwerty keyboard |
| 03:44.37 | roxville | anyway, then the modules just show up in your modles section in the menu |
| 03:44.40 | xrothgarx | pain* |
| 03:44.44 | roxville | if you have activated it |
| 03:44.55 | xrothgarx | ok...cool...i'll have to play around with some stuff |
| 03:45.22 | xrothgarx | haha...my desktop is on fire...thats just funny |
| 03:45.38 | roxville | thana asked me and eshep to try it out, he's probably gonna include it in his ElPanel app |
| 03:45.53 | roxville | you can set different flames too |
| 03:46.13 | xrothgarx | really...il lhave to mess with that...i think i like the snow more |
| 03:46.16 | roxville | but it's so good that i just have to recommend it to ppl |
| 03:46.42 | roxville | yeah, the snow is great...and you can deactivate the trees |
| 03:46.57 | roxville | notes sucks |
| 03:47.12 | roxville | and weather...i haven't gotten it to work yet |
| 03:47.44 | roxville | monitor...doesn't interest me that much |
| 03:48.21 | xrothgarx | ya...those trees are gay...and monitor has potential but not in it's current theme |
| 03:48.50 | roxville | and you can unload the default modules that you don't use, and save cpu time and ram |
| 03:49.05 | xrothgarx | ya...thats nice |
| 03:49.09 | roxville | yep |
| 03:49.49 | xrothgarx | i took of the pager |
| 03:49.58 | roxville | anyway, create an icon for it |
| 03:50.03 | xrothgarx | and now my windows dont show up in the little preview |
| 03:50.12 | xrothgarx | how do i do that? just on the ibar? |
| 03:50.18 | roxville | no |
| 03:50.58 | roxville | then you can create an icon by clicking or right-clicking in the upper left corner of the window |
| 03:51.13 | roxville | i posted it b4...had to find it |
| 03:51.39 | roxville | far down is: create icon |
| 03:51.56 | roxville | found it? |
| 03:52.36 | xrothgarx | no im not exactly sure what i am clicking on |
| 03:52.58 | roxville | on the upper left corner of the erme window |
| 03:53.17 | xrothgarx | o weird that wasnt popping up before |
| 03:53.22 | xrothgarx | i closed it and opened it and it worked |
| 03:53.34 | roxville | you get a long list of stuff |
| 03:53.37 | xrothgarx | ya |
| 03:53.40 | roxville | ok |
| 03:53.47 | roxville | choose create icon |
| 03:53.52 | xrothgarx | got it |
| 03:54.05 | roxville | a new window appears |
| 03:54.11 | xrothgarx | ya :) |
| 03:54.23 | roxville | click the button that says icon |
| 03:54.40 | xrothgarx | set icon? |
| 03:54.53 | roxville | you're looking at you're home folder |
| 03:54.58 | roxville | yes |
| 03:54.58 | xrothgarx | ya |
| 03:55.14 | roxville | click the "up" arrow |
| 03:55.28 | roxville | twice |
| 03:55.39 | xrothgarx | k im in / |
| 03:55.44 | roxville | find "usr" |
| 03:55.54 | roxville | double click |
| 03:56.02 | roxville | "share" |
| 03:56.13 | roxville | dbl click |
| 03:56.22 | roxville | "icons" |
| 03:56.33 | roxville | dbl click |
| 03:57.13 | roxville | in there you can choose pretty much whatever you want |
| 03:57.19 | xrothgarx | k...i have qjackctl.png and a couple other things |
| 03:57.34 | roxville | choose a folder |
| 03:57.35 | xrothgarx | is there anything in the folders that might be of interest? |
| 03:57.59 | roxville | does one say "exquistite"? |
| 03:58.10 | roxville | exqusite |
| 03:58.16 | roxville | damn! |
| 03:58.27 | roxville | exquisite |
| 03:58.41 | roxville | finally! :) |
| 03:58.50 | xrothgarx | no |
| 03:59.04 | xrothgarx | gnome, hicolor, industrial, locolor is all i have |
| 03:59.21 | roxville | ok |
| 03:59.45 | roxville | you can change to a fancier icon later |
| 03:59.55 | xrothgarx | ok...sounds good |
| 03:59.56 | roxville | go to gnome/apps |
| 04:00.57 | xrothgarx | i think i found one i like :) |
| 04:01.26 | roxville | ok, choose it |
| 04:01.31 | xrothgarx | got it |
| 04:01.53 | roxville | do you see it in the |
| 04:02.06 | roxville | window we were working in? |
| 04:03.05 | roxville | b4 we went to choose an icon |
| 04:03.14 | xrothgarx | sorry brb |
| 04:03.17 | roxville | ok |
| 04:05.59 | roxville | all you need to fill in is: app name: erme, and executable: erme |
| 04:09.51 | roxville | if you want to put in a description on the 2nd line (i think) you can do that like : e config app, or something |
| 04:17.14 | *** join/#elive c0agen (n=coagen@157.89.84.196) |
| 04:17.22 | c0agen | oh thank god |
| 04:17.27 | c0agen | finally linux works on campus |
| 04:17.28 | c0agen | yay |
| 04:17.34 | roxville | yay! |
| 04:17.52 | c0agen | i had to boot into winblows on my lappy last month to get on the network |
| 04:17.58 | c0agen | it was a terrible experience |
| 04:18.11 | c0agen | now i can get on using linux! |
| 04:18.21 | c0agen | stupid cisco clean access crap |
| 04:18.27 | roxville | it should be...like, the first thing that worked...must be great for students |
| 04:18.56 | c0agen | yeah |
| 04:19.07 | roxville | not just for the superiority of linux, but also...the price :) |
| 04:19.15 | c0agen | hey so like i finally got that nvidia module to compile and install |
| 04:19.24 | roxville | ok |
| 04:19.42 | c0agen | all i did was export CC=/usr/bin/gcc |
| 04:19.44 | c0agen | i think |
| 04:19.47 | c0agen | and it worked |
| 04:19.59 | c0agen | but i couldnt get xorg to load the damn nvidia driver!!!! |
| 04:20.02 | c0agen | i was so mad |
| 04:20.03 | c0agen | :\ |
| 04:20.06 | c0agen | argh |
| 04:20.11 | roxville | ok... |
| 04:20.30 | roxville | did you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 04:20.37 | c0agen | no i did not |
| 04:20.41 | c0agen | i just edited the file |
| 04:20.47 | c0agen | xorg.conf |
| 04:20.52 | c0agen | to remove dri and glcore |
| 04:20.58 | mhz | Is there anyway I can isntall eLive from/for a ThinClient laptop with no Cddrive nor floppy??? |
| 04:20.59 | roxville | yea |
| 04:21.02 | c0agen | and change the driver to "nvidia" |
| 04:21.38 | c0agen | mhz: if you can boot from a usb drive you could boot damnsmalllinux and copy it to the hd |
| 04:21.56 | c0agen | mhz: then chroot to the drive and install a bootloader |
| 04:22.11 | mhz | nop, Bios wouldn't let me |
| 04:22.15 | mhz | :( |
| 04:22.59 | roxville | mhz, did you google like "livecd install thinclient"? |
| 04:23.01 | mhz | I always tried to give elightenment the look eLive Gand did, but I always got back to fluxbox :) |
| 04:23.12 | mhz | Gand = gang |
| 04:23.29 | mhz | roxville: I did google for PXE booting |
| 04:23.39 | roxville | ok |
| 04:23.42 | c0agen | GAY |
| 04:23.46 | mhz | and also for LinuxInstallFromWindows |
| 04:23.47 | c0agen | THAT COMPUTER IS GAY |
| 04:23.52 | c0agen | mhz: beat it |
| 04:24.06 | mhz | ??? |
| 04:24.13 | c0agen | mhz: beat that computer |
| 04:24.14 | xrothgarx | c0agen what scheel do you go to? |
| 04:24.19 | roxville | well AFAIK, there's no net install |
| 04:24.27 | c0agen | xrothgarx: www.eku.edu |
| 04:24.29 | mhz | roxville: I thought so |
| 04:24.37 | xrothgarx | hmm...my school uses clean access too |
| 04:24.56 | mhz | roxville: however, I once could install Ubuntu on a diff thin laptop |
| 04:25.01 | c0agen | mhz: pxe booting is not that hard to do... once you figure it out |
| 04:25.06 | roxville | ok xrothgarx ... |
| 04:25.08 | roxville | <roxville> all you need to fill in is: app name: erme, and executable: erme |
| 04:25.08 | roxville | <roxville> if you want to put in a description on the 2nd line (i think) you can do that like : e config app, or something |
| 04:25.10 | c0agen | mhz: a friend of mine has gotten it working before |
| 04:25.15 | mhz | I tried the same here but It seems the grub version I found now, it has issues |
| 04:25.37 | c0agen | xrothgarx: yeah they actually make you install sysmantec antivirus... how gay is that? |
| 04:25.55 | roxville | mhz, what if you installed debian from the net and then added the elive repos? |
| 04:26.06 | mhz | c0agen: I don't doubt it, I was able to do it once. Now it's a littel diff |
| 04:26.35 | mhz | roxville: that's one of my bets. My current problem is this: |
| 04:26.59 | mhz | a) I could successfully local netboot the laptop |
| 04:27.05 | mhz | and I got IP (dhcp) |
| 04:27.18 | mhz | BUT I did not get TFTP working |
| 04:27.23 | mhz | (so it seems) |
| 04:27.25 | mhz | b) |
| 04:27.26 | c0agen | oh yeah thats the hard part |
| 04:27.36 | c0agen | lemmie see if i can get my friend to come here |
| 04:27.43 | mhz | I can get to GRUB menu BUT |
| 04:27.59 | mhz | the stupid app for windows has problems |
| 04:28.34 | mhz | so my only 2 alternatives are "broken" |
| 04:28.36 | mhz | :D |
| 04:28.36 | roxville | well, as we say in sweden: that sucks! |
| 04:28.44 | mhz | LL! |
| 04:28.47 | mhz | lol |
| 04:28.58 | mhz | here in chile we say something similar |
| 04:28.59 | mhz | :) |
| 04:29.29 | roxville | i bet you do :) |
| 04:29.47 | mhz | BTW, |
| 04:30.01 | roxville | drink lots of mate and you will figure it out |
| 04:30.17 | roxville | while taking a leak from drinking all that mate |
| 04:30.26 | mhz | let's say I succeed, is there any simple way to get enlightenmnet to look as cool as eLive ??? |
| 04:30.33 | *** part/#elive Anandamide (n=Anandami@c-67-184-123-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:30.40 | mhz | roxville: LOL!!! |
| 04:31.02 | mhz | at least after fighting agaisnt this problem, I finally have a laugh |
| 04:31.06 | mhz | thx for that |
| 04:31.07 | c0agen | mhz: simple... hehhehehe |
| 04:31.15 | roxville | np :) |
| 04:31.37 | mhz | c0agen: simpla as in Copy&Paste?? |
| 04:31.48 | c0agen | mhz: never |
| 04:31.50 | roxville | well...you could probably apt-get your way in to an elive install...pretty much |
| 04:31.52 | mhz | ooops |
| 04:31.58 | c0agen | mhz: well maybe |
| 04:31.59 | roxville | whaddaya think coagen ? |
| 04:32.11 | c0agen | roxville is right |
| 04:32.14 | mhz | "maybe" sounds like... "you gotta hack it!" |
| 04:32.27 | mhz | I am just a teacher not a hacker, BTE |
| 04:32.29 | c0agen | if you just added the vobcopy sources to your sources.list |
| 04:32.29 | mhz | BTW |
| 04:32.34 | roxville | i don't think you'd have to hack that much |
| 04:32.34 | c0agen | that should do it really |
| 04:32.43 | roxville | yea |
| 04:32.51 | mhz | only adding sources?? I can manage to do that |
| 04:32.54 | c0agen | you might have to uninstall and reinstall a few packages for it to work |
| 04:32.54 | c0agen | but |
| 04:33.01 | c0agen | who knows |
| 04:33.03 | c0agen | try it |
| 04:33.07 | c0agen | :) |
| 04:33.41 | roxville | mhz, i can give you my sources.list if you want it |
| 04:34.17 | mhz | so, the only thing I should do now is either a) find out why TFTP times out b) find a Grub4Nt version 0.2 which is not broken |
| 04:34.55 | mhz | roxville: i'd appreciate it once I can get this fujitsu into a real linux environment and not this 2000 piece of crap |
| 04:35.22 | roxville | ok, got ya! |
| 04:35.25 | mhz | .oO( geee, sometimes Freedom has a huge cost) |
| 04:35.36 | roxville | LOL |
| 04:35.40 | mhz | :) |
| 04:35.40 | c0agen | mhz: the friend i know that did it said getting tftp to work was the hardest part.. but it turned out to be something simple |
| 04:35.54 | roxville | xrothgarx, you doing ok? |
| 04:36.06 | mhz | I imagine 'coz so far it says TFTP open times out |
| 04:36.11 | mhz | or something like that |
| 04:37.06 | mhz | c0agen: thx. and if you could get your friend somewhere he could help me understand why TFTP does not provide any package... that'll be more than cool |
| 04:37.19 | mhz | .oO(maybe... cooler!) |
| 04:37.25 | roxville | lol |
| 04:38.58 | roxville | mhz did you know that mate here in the US is like $25-30 /lbs? or more |
| 04:39.14 | mhz | noooo! |
| 04:39.16 | mhz | c'mon! |
| 04:39.30 | mhz | that is the cost of a pendrive here!! |
| 04:39.34 | roxville | oh sorry, is this not the #elive-health channel? |
| 04:39.45 | mhz | LOL |
| 04:40.50 | roxville | in sweden it's like maybe $3/lb |
| 04:41.47 | mhz | that's more like it |
| 04:41.50 | roxville | mhz...ubuntu is good, but the glibc is so different, that it might cause a prob |
| 04:42.15 | mhz | so far, after 34 tries... what d'i got to loose? |
| 04:42.16 | mhz | :D |
| 04:42.25 | mhz | (just the booting time) |
| 04:42.28 | roxville | with installing elive or enlightenment |
| 04:42.39 | mhz | oooh |
| 04:42.42 | roxville | you're right |
| 04:43.25 | mhz | well, MS200 asks are you sure? I say "hell, yes!!!" |
| 04:43.41 | roxville | xrothgarx, ? |
| 04:43.49 | roxville | lol |
| 04:45.26 | roxville | elive net-install...hmmm wonder how we could set that up? |
| 04:45.59 | mhz | nop, this is not gonna wotk either :( |
| 04:46.25 | c0agen | mhz: i msged him... hopefully he will respond soon.. |
| 04:46.40 | mhz | or, we could have a light install from booting options |
| 04:46.42 | mhz | at least |
| 04:46.48 | mhz | c0agen: thankyou |
| 04:47.07 | roxville | what ports do you have on that thing? |
| 04:47.27 | mhz | .oO(if I had some money I'd definately post a "bounty" :D ) |
| 04:47.33 | mhz | roxville: no idea |
| 04:47.36 | roxville | can't you install from someone else's computer? |
| 04:47.47 | c0agen | tftp is port 69 isnt it |
| 04:47.48 | roxville | i mean, is there a usb? |
| 04:47.48 | c0agen | hehe |
| 04:47.55 | c0agen | mhz: np |
| 04:48.23 | mhz | roxville: I 've been trying to install a TFTP server to so, in my celeron box. |
| 04:48.33 | mhz | c0agen: what a relief! :D |
| 04:48.48 | mhz | c0agen: yes, 69 |
| 04:48.52 | roxville | ok, that's why |
| 04:49.05 | c0agen | gee wonder why i remembered that so easily |
| 04:49.11 | roxville | what a wonderful number :) |
| 04:49.30 | roxville | lol |
| 04:49.33 | mhz | roxville: i have USB (not for booting), a router, a rj45 crossed cable |
| 04:49.54 | mhz | roxville: no wonder why these hackers control the world |
| 04:50.01 | roxville | yea...that's what you need |
| 04:50.15 | mhz | "i need" ??? what? |
| 04:50.26 | mhz | oh, the infraestructure |
| 04:50.27 | mhz | ! |
| 04:50.29 | roxville | the rj45 |
| 04:50.29 | mhz | duh!!! |
| 04:51.25 | mhz | if I can get to make this TFTP work, I promise I'll wiki a how to, but from a zaurus SL-5500, as well. :D |
| 04:51.42 | roxville | sounds good! |
| 04:52.19 | mhz | imagine this: oh, excuse me, let me get your super hyper server to boot from this tiny PDA :D |
| 04:52.43 | mhz | or else, I'll control it from here as well :D |
| 04:52.44 | roxville | do you really need TFTP to make your lappy read from your other computers cdrom? |
| 04:53.34 | mhz | I have edubuntu.iso and elive.iso files on the "server HD", plus the eLive and Kubuntu Cd's. |
| 04:53.43 | mhz | whatever that works, fine with me! |
| 04:54.12 | mhz | TFTP, afaik, provides packages on request |
| 04:54.55 | mhz | if I could just SCP the packages... I could do it, but afaik, it is not possible |
| 04:55.21 | roxville | yeah, you're probably right... |
| 04:55.37 | mhz | because I reboot and: a) grub fails or b) tftp fails :( |
| 04:56.01 | mhz | is there a way to boot from PCMCIA CD drive????? |
| 04:56.09 | roxville | i just stop my slef in the tracks here...but you could...nah...but what if....nah....couldn't you.....nah |
| 04:57.15 | mhz | LOL |
| 04:57.19 | mhz | maybe |
| 04:57.43 | mhz | anyways, I appreciate your "moral support" :D |
| 04:59.43 | roxville | what's your lappy's name again? fujitsu... |
| 05:00.35 | mhz | fujitsu lifebook B 2175 |
| 05:01.54 | roxville | the thin client can run an embedded linux.. |
| 05:02.15 | roxville | apparently |
| 05:03.13 | c0agen | bah my themes are broken |
| 05:03.14 | c0agen | wtf |
| 05:05.53 | c0agen | oh |
| 05:05.54 | c0agen | whoops |
| 05:05.57 | c0agen | fixed them |
| 05:05.59 | c0agen | haha |
| 05:07.44 | roxville | lol |
| 05:07.54 | roxville | what was wrong? |
| 05:08.52 | roxville | damn, he's gonna have probs... why wouldn't it boot from a pcmcia cdrom? |
| 05:09.18 | roxville | i gotta get some sleep...see you guys later on |
| 05:09.27 | roxville | nite coagen and mhz |
| 05:09.37 | mhz | nite Dr. rookmoot |
| 05:09.41 | mhz | nite Dr. roxville |
| 05:09.42 | c0agen | peace homes |
| 05:09.46 | roxville | and everybody that read this |
| 05:09.51 | mhz | oops, this autocompletition..:) |
| 05:10.08 | roxville | lol at least 2 letters! |
| 05:10.12 | roxville | 3 |
| 05:10.47 | roxville | damn i'm tired...my daughter is gonna wake up soon, i gotta be ready....z.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......zzzzzzzzz........ |
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| 05:49.23 | moo | mhz |
| 05:49.31 | c0agen | mhz: this is my friend moo |
| 05:49.37 | mhz | moo: hi |
| 05:49.40 | moo | hi |
| 05:49.42 | mhz | thx for being here |
| 05:50.25 | moo | ok sooooo |
| 05:50.32 | moo | you have a dir for tftpboot right |
| 05:50.35 | moo | with pxelinux.0 in it |
| 05:50.52 | moo | and.....(trying to remember how this stuff works its been a month or three) |
| 05:51.09 | mhz | can I paste here or should we go private?? |
| 05:51.19 | moo | i tried to pm you but im unreg and it wouldnt let me |
| 05:51.21 | moo | try dcc |
| 05:51.28 | moo | hell |
| 05:51.34 | moo | #supersecretstuff |
| 05:51.38 | mhz | np, i'll pm you |
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| 09:05.28 | blizzard^ | YiiiiiiiiiiiKES |
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| 09:39.42 | reliver | hello c0agen |
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| 10:39.10 | Thanatermesis | good morning all |
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| 10:45.40 | sHR00m | good morning Thanatermesis |
| 10:45.48 | Thanatermesis | yo sHR00m |
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| 11:23.01 | Thanatermesis | problems etech ? |
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| 11:52.06 | TuxMeister | hey there |
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| 12:55.45 | Thanatermesis | apt sata |
| 12:55.48 | apt | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. If that seems too much trouble, it's the price of using bleeding-edge hardware. ("You can tell the ... |
| 12:56.20 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es If that seems too much trouble, it's the price of using bleeding-edge hardware |
| 12:58.58 | roxville | morning |
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| 13:00.06 | roxville | morning coagen |
| 13:00.55 | roxville | i just woke up... *yaaaaaaawn* |
| 13:05.05 | coagen | привет |
| 13:05.25 | roxville | lol |
| 13:05.26 | coagen | it is moring isnt it |
| 13:05.29 | coagen | ugh |
| 13:08.55 | coagen | fuck |
| 13:08.58 | coagen | i gotta go to bed |
| 13:08.59 | coagen | later |
| 13:12.47 | Thanatermesis | apt do you like Elive ? |
| 13:12.48 | apt | yes, I like Elive. |
| 13:12.52 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 13:13.06 | Thanatermesis | apt please, make the SATA support for Elive |
| 13:13.24 | Thanatermesis | apt toc toc... |
| 13:13.41 | Thanatermesis | apt heeeelllo ? |
| 13:13.45 | Thanatermesis | bah, stupid apt |
| 13:13.49 | Thanatermesis | apt stupid apt |
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| 13:14.31 | Thanatermesis | apt stupid bot |
| 13:14.32 | apt | no, stupid thanatermesis |
| 13:14.35 | Thanatermesis | :P |
| 13:17.59 | roxville | lol |
| 13:18.43 | roxville | yeah, the sats support and USB support would be welcome |
| 13:19.57 | Thanatermesis | sata ? |
| 13:20.00 | Thanatermesis | sata + usb ? |
| 13:20.15 | Thanatermesis | sata conected by usb ? |
| 13:20.24 | roxville | that too! |
| 13:20.25 | sHR00m | hmm i'm using an usb mouse with elive actually :) |
| 13:20.58 | roxville | yeah... a lot of ppl have probs with pen drives and such |
| 13:21.35 | Thanatermesis | sHR00m before... not posible to use usb-mouse ? |
| 13:22.17 | sHR00m | it is.. what i want to say is: there seems to be usb support allready :) |
| 13:22.32 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es it is.. what i want to say is: there seems to be usb support allready |
| 13:22.48 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 13:23.08 | sHR00m | Thanatermesis, i use an usb mouse, so elive supports usb |
| 13:23.18 | Thanatermesis | Elive supports good ? |
| 13:23.28 | sHR00m | my mouse, yes ;) |
| 13:23.34 | Thanatermesis | good :) |
| 13:24.23 | roxville | ok... sHR00m , can you DCC your mouse to whoever needs it? :) |
| 13:24.44 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 13:25.11 | roxville | Thanatermesis, you want your icons? while we talk about DCC |
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| 13:25.59 | Thanatermesis | yes, send it :) |
| 13:26.16 | Thanatermesis | but remember me in another time for implement directly in the elive-skel ;) |
| 13:26.28 | Thanatermesis | i don't have for this in this moments... posible tomorrow |
| 13:26.35 | roxville | what, dcc? |
| 13:26.56 | roxville | damn, what's wrong... i'm sending... |
| 13:27.09 | Thanatermesis | don't works aparently |
| 13:28.19 | roxville | ok, gotta have a look, brb |
| 13:28.26 | roxville | shit |
| 13:31.07 | roxville | ok, let's try again |
| 13:31.54 | roxville | wooohooo, i fixed something!!! |
| 13:32.54 | roxville | it's done already? with all those icons, it should have been at least a couple of MB's! |
| 13:34.32 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es there is a workaround, I thought I put it in |
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| 13:35.45 | roxville | damn, coagens' buddy tried to help mhz with a PXE boot last night...and they went priv and did it! |
| 13:37.06 | roxville | Thanatermesis, a few ppl have old laptops without cdroms and stuff...is it VERY hard to make a net install elive? |
| 13:37.29 | roxville | with the way elive looks today, i suppose it is hard |
| 13:37.41 | Thanatermesis | its very hard, yes |
| 13:37.47 | roxville | ok |
| 13:37.48 | Thanatermesis | without CD ? or only CD boot ? |
| 13:38.03 | roxville | without cd i think |
| 13:38.48 | roxville | or... is it possible to install debian, load the elive repo's and...turn it into elive? |
| 13:41.02 | Thanatermesis | hehe no |
| 13:41.13 | Thanatermesis | Elive has a lot of special configurations... not is only packages |
| 13:41.50 | roxville | ok, i just wanted to know.. thanks for answering :) |
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| 14:17.24 | eddan | Hi everyone |
| 14:17.55 | Thanatermesis | yup eddan |
| 14:30.51 | Thanatermesis | brb all |
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| 15:37.58 | mhz | roxville: still TFTP dead |
| 15:38.00 | mhz | :) |
| 15:38.10 | mhz | I gotta get some sleep |
| 15:38.18 | mhz | bye |
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| 16:12.26 | TuxMeister | buenas!!! |
| 16:14.47 | roxville | i'm sorry mhz... |
| 16:14.57 | roxville | oh, ok... |
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| 16:25.01 | sinplomo | hi |
| 16:25.12 | roxville | hi sinplomo how are ya? |
| 16:25.31 | sinplomo | roxville, i am on a windows 2000 |
| 16:25.37 | sinplomo | so ... |
| 16:25.38 | sinplomo | :( |
| 16:25.42 | roxville | i'm sorry! |
| 16:26.01 | sinplomo | don't worry |
| 16:26.19 | roxville | ok, i'll try not to... |
| 16:39.16 | Logik` | You doesn't have chance |
| 16:39.19 | Logik` | sinplomo> :'( |
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| 16:39.36 | sinplomo | Logik`, je sais ... |
| 16:40.00 | sinplomo | ma tante est en train de parler avec un autre tante a moi sur mon linux par skype ... |
| 16:40.12 | Logik` | et toi tu te tappes win2K .. |
| 16:40.20 | Logik` | pauvre de toi ... |
| 16:40.24 | sinplomo | ça fait 2 heures qu ils sont entrain de parler ... |
| 16:40.27 | Logik` | lol |
| 16:40.34 | sinplomo | elles vont pas arreter ... |
| 16:40.44 | Logik` | Et moi qui suit en train de convertir mes parents ... toi tu va du coté obscur |
| 16:40.48 | sinplomo | *elles |
| 16:41.10 | sinplomo | Logik`, sur mon pc je n ai que debian |
| 16:41.18 | Logik` | :D |
| 16:41.24 | sinplomo | le windows 2000 c est le pc de mon frere ... |
| 16:41.51 | Logik` | Mandriva est pas mal ... bien qu'un peu aleatoire ca me fait penser a windows ... |
| 16:41.58 | Logik` | et il n'a pas honte |
| 16:43.15 | sinplomo | il a passe un mois avec debian |
| 16:43.21 | sinplomo | mais il a cracke ... |
| 16:43.28 | sinplomo | trop dur pour lui |
| 16:43.35 | sinplomo | meme chose pour ma soeur |
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| 16:51.46 | Elive_user | Well that's not where I wanted to go. |
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| 18:02.35 | Elive_user | hello is right to use english ? |
| 18:03.15 | sinplomo | of course ... |
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| 18:06.50 | Elive_user2 | is there anybody out? |
| 18:07.04 | reliver | yes, hello Elive_user2 :-) |
| 18:07.11 | Elive_user2 | cool.. |
| 18:07.24 | reliver | how is it going ? |
| 18:07.31 | Elive_user2 | i'm testing elive, what you actually notices |
| 18:07.39 | reliver | ah, great. |
| 18:07.40 | Elive_user2 | absoluty great.. |
| 18:07.54 | Elive_user2 | is elive a windowsmanger or a full desktop? |
| 18:07.59 | reliver | thank you, i am just a simple user too :-) |
| 18:08.21 | Elive_user2 | by the way: where are you from? |
| 18:08.35 | reliver | http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=Elive |
| 18:08.46 | reliver | zurich, and you ? |
| 18:09.05 | Elive_user2 | vienna |
| 18:09.09 | Elive_user2 | ;) |
| 18:09.11 | Elive_user2 | ;) |
| 18:09.13 | reliver | oh :-) |
| 18:09.18 | Elive_user2 | also kannste wohl deutsch ;) |
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| 18:09.24 | reliver | ja :) |
| 18:09.29 | Elive_user2 | ;) fein |
| 18:09.54 | reliver | verstehst du die erklärungen auf der seite ? |
| 18:10.01 | Elive_user2 | weißt du vl wie ich in das menü komme wo ich tastatur layout und sowas ändern kann? |
| 18:10.09 | Elive_user2 | mom |
| 18:10.47 | reliver | ja, ist alles dort erklärt: |
| 18:10.56 | reliver | http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=Quickstart |
| 18:11.06 | sinplomo | Logik`, elles ont enfin termine |
| 18:11.09 | sinplomo | yupi |
| 18:11.29 | reliver | sinplomo, hello :) |
| 18:11.48 | reliver | do you know how to get a gmail invite ? |
| 18:12.38 | sinplomo | reliver, give me a mail |
| 18:12.43 | sinplomo | i will send you one now |
| 18:12.58 | Elive_user2 | ja...danke...also ne kleine desktop |
| 18:13.28 | reliver | elive @ user-land.org |
| 18:13.32 | Elive_user2 | ich danke reliver..muss jetzt elenlightenment auf meinen "echten" liinux installieren |
| 18:13.34 | Elive_user2 | bye |
| 18:13.38 | reliver | wow, great :-) |
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| 18:19.59 | reliver | sinplomo how is it going at school ? |
| 18:20.29 | reliver | is it true that you are kinda loosing interest there ? |
| 18:20.52 | sinplomo | apt, x en es is it true that you are kinda loosing interest there ? |
| 18:21.58 | sinplomo | reliver, there ? where "ther" ? |
| 18:22.02 | sinplomo | shcool ? elive ? |
| 18:22.11 | reliver | at school ... |
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| 18:35.44 | Anarien | :) |
| 18:36.44 | sinplomo | reliver, why do you say that ? |
| 18:36.50 | sinplomo | buenas Anarien |
| 18:37.15 | sinplomo | Anarien, he subido una foto actual mia al mi blog, por si la quieres ver xDDD ( aunque lo dudo ) XD |
| 18:37.16 | reliver | hola Anarien |
| 18:38.06 | reliver | porque dices que no puedes estudiar porque preferes trabajar con el computador, no ? |
| 18:41.43 | sinplomo | hombre .. |
| 18:41.46 | sinplomo | :) |
| 18:50.44 | reliver | es que preferes no hablar de esto ? |
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| 18:55.46 | mariodebian | holas |
| 18:56.38 | reliver | hola mariodebian :-) |
| 18:56.59 | mariodebian | hola reliver |
| 18:57.20 | reliver | mariodebian, no entiendo se debian etch e sid son separados ahora o no ... |
| 18:57.44 | reliver | http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=Debian |
| 18:58.20 | mariodebian | reliver: debian are tree versions |
| 18:58.28 | mariodebian | stable testing unstable |
| 18:58.31 | mariodebian | as know as |
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| 18:58.36 | mariodebian | sarge etch sid |
| 18:58.40 | mariodebian | in this order |
| 18:58.55 | mariodebian | etch = testing sid = unstable |
| 18:59.09 | reliver | yes, i wrote this on that page, can you have a look please ? |
| 19:01.46 | mariodebian | testing is a middle sarge sid version |
| 19:01.55 | mariodebian | sid and testing have different versions |
| 19:01.57 | mariodebian | example |
| 19:01.59 | mariodebian | mono |
| 19:02.10 | mariodebian | in testing mono has entered this week |
| 19:02.21 | mariodebian | in sid mono runs gtk apps some time ago |
| 19:02.24 | mariodebian | in testing no |
| 19:02.38 | reliver | yes. but why cat /etc/debian_version currently says: testing/unstable ? |
| 19:03.59 | sinplomo | reliver, normal ... |
| 19:04.05 | mariodebian | i don't know but suppose that elive have one or more sid packages |
| 19:04.28 | reliver | ah, i see. |
| 19:04.36 | sinplomo | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:04.36 | sinplomo | testing |
| 19:04.39 | sinplomo | :) |
| 19:04.49 | reliver | oh. |
| 19:05.29 | reliver | do you like f-spot, mariodebian ? |
| 19:05.40 | reliver | and beagle ? |
| 19:06.08 | mariodebian | yes very much |
| 19:06.25 | mariodebian | beagle slow so much my notebook but is very good |
| 19:06.42 | mariodebian | i have installed by backports some time ago |
| 19:06.52 | reliver | do you think beagle should be on the Elive CD ? |
| 19:06.56 | sinplomo | updatedb && locate power :) |
| 19:07.38 | mariodebian | beagle is for gnome-desktp users |
| 19:07.48 | reliver | ah. |
| 19:07.48 | mariodebian | reads gaim conversations and evolution mail |
| 19:07.57 | mariodebian | and files, off course |
| 19:08.35 | reliver | do you have a list of favourite applications ? |
| 19:08.48 | sinplomo | apt, x en es bows |
| 19:09.04 | reliver | i would like to improve http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=Software |
| 19:09.31 | reliver | bows significa reverença |
| 19:10.22 | sinplomo | reliver, thans |
| 19:11.20 | mariodebian | my favorite??? ummm: gnome-terminal, gaim, firefox, evolution, beep-media-player, totem, openofficeorg2, gimp, k3b, xpp, tulip-php-editor, d4x |
| 19:11.43 | reliver | corecion, sinplomo: se inclina |
| 19:12.35 | reliver | gnome-terminal :-) |
| 19:12.45 | reliver | does it have menus, a gui ? |
| 19:13.14 | mariodebian | like konsole of kde |
| 19:13.25 | mariodebian | but much better keybindings |
| 19:13.34 | reliver | oh, wonderful :-) |
| 19:14.09 | reliver | thanatermesis does not konw it ... |
| 19:14.43 | reliver | you like xffm, mariodebian ? |
| 19:14.58 | mariodebian | i was xfce user time ago :) |
| 19:16.02 | reliver | there is no good file manager in Elive ... |
| 19:16.03 | mariodebian | do you know rox-filer??? |
| 19:16.03 | mariodebian | much better than xffm |
| 19:16.03 | reliver | really ? why ? |
| 19:16.04 | mariodebian | in xfce 4.4 are new file manager: thunar |
| 19:16.04 | mariodebian | nautilus like |
| 19:18.14 | reliver | oh :-) that's why i got no reply from the author of xffm ... |
| 19:18.39 | reliver | so why is rox-filer the best file manager, mariodebian ? |
| 19:19.01 | mariodebian | best no, but better than xffm |
| 19:19.06 | mariodebian | it's very simple |
| 19:19.08 | mariodebian | fast |
| 19:19.21 | reliver | ok. |
| 19:19.28 | reliver | and what is the best for you ? |
| 19:20.07 | mariodebian | http://cestle9la.free.fr/gentoo/Screenshot/08-26-2004.png |
| 19:20.28 | mariodebian | best file-manager: cp + mv + rm + TAB |
| 19:21.21 | mariodebian | look this ROX: |
| 19:21.22 | mariodebian | http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img7&image=2004_08_28_16_40_1600x1200.png |
| 19:21.25 | reliver | ah. |
| 19:22.34 | reliver | the first screenshot is showing nautilus, right ? |
| 19:23.13 | mariodebian | is rox |
| 19:23.19 | mariodebian | see the second |
| 19:23.27 | mariodebian | is more newer |
| 19:25.15 | reliver | so that's the best for you who knows everything by heart. |
| 19:26.04 | reliver | for new or occasional users an interface with more displayed options is good, do you like them too ? |
| 19:27.13 | mariodebian | i don't like konqueror, is like windows explorer |
| 19:27.29 | mariodebian | in other file-managers |
| 19:27.33 | mariodebian | rox or nautilus |
| 19:27.45 | mariodebian | i don't used elive fm |
| 19:27.52 | mariodebian | looks good :) |
| 19:29.02 | reliver | thanks :-) |
| 19:29.27 | reliver | gnome-terminal shows white text on white background in Elive ... |
| 19:30.01 | mariodebian | y have black backgrond and text in white and other colors |
| 19:31.10 | reliver | it is using colours from system theme ... |
| 19:31.25 | reliver | that's why i had the same problem with konsole ... |
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| 19:31.58 | sinplomo | Rasko|nikov, wapa |
| 19:34.02 | reliver | i set the text colour to black now, but it is still white, mariodebian ... |
| 19:34.37 | mariodebian | edit-> "perfiles" |
| 19:34.44 | mariodebian | set colors in 3 tab |
| 19:35.19 | reliver | yes, i did that, chose buit-in scheme black on yellow, but the text colour stays white |
| 19:35.40 | reliver | now i switched to schem white on black and this works :-) |
| 19:36.11 | reliver | pity gnome-terminal background is not transparent ... |
| 19:43.05 | reliver | oh, it is now transparent, mariodebian, your software tips are great :-) |
| 19:43.31 | reliver | unfortunately gnome-terminal is too big to be included on Elive. |
| 19:43.55 | coagen | moring... |
| 19:44.06 | coagen | so i can type in russian now |
| 19:44.07 | reliver | good morning coagen :-) |
| 19:44.23 | coagen | привет |
| 19:44.25 | reliver | did your keyboard suddenly switch ? |
| 19:44.29 | coagen | hehe |
| 19:44.43 | reliver | ah, great :-) |
| 19:44.53 | coagen | reliver: i wanted this ;) |
| 19:44.55 | Anarien | adios :) |
| 19:45.11 | reliver | nodios :-) |
| 19:45.43 | coagen | reliver: anything intresting happen lately? |
| 19:47.36 | reliver | yes, coagen, you :-)) |
| 19:47.36 | reliver | http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=News |
| 19:48.45 | coagen | heh |
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| 20:25.44 | coagen | well i figured out why open office wasnt working |
| 20:26.25 | coagen | had to use e_util_eapp_edit on each one and change "ooxxxx2" to ooxxxx" |
| 20:26.32 | coagen | now it works fine |
| 20:29.57 | reliver | oooooxxxxxxxxxxx :-) |
| 20:30.25 | reliver | coagen, the server is flakey here, right ? :-) |
| 20:30.39 | coagen | hehe |
| 20:30.58 | reliver | crazy thes OOOooo people ... |
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| 20:31.22 | coagen | yes yes |
| 20:31.25 | reliver | hello damosu. |
| 20:31.38 | damosu | hi reliver |
| 20:36.55 | reliver | mariodebian, can Elive users try your openoffice 2 packages already ? |
| 20:42.35 | etech | can anyone tell me if trying to install the ati drivers is a good idea or will it mess up my system? |
| 20:44.17 | sinplomo | etech, you can ... |
| 20:44.29 | etech | is it hard? |
| 20:44.44 | sinplomo | i use nvidia ... |
| 20:45.07 | etech | ok.. nvidia is antoher world.. next graphics card will be a nvidia |
| 20:46.13 | sinplomo | etech, apt-get install elive-kernel-compile |
| 20:46.20 | reliver | coagen is fithting with his nvidia as we speak, etech. |
| 20:46.55 | coagen | yes |
| 20:47.01 | coagen | <3 nvidia oh yeah |
| 20:47.12 | sinplomo | etech, wich card |
| 20:47.14 | sinplomo | ? |
| 20:47.16 | sinplomo | a radeon ? |
| 20:47.42 | etech | yepp |
| 20:47.48 | etech | 9600xt |
| 20:48.03 | sinplomo | xorg ? |
| 20:48.59 | sinplomo | etech, https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=1176 |
| 20:49.02 | etech | i don'T know.. didn't install it.. |
| 20:49.23 | etech | got what elive has installed for default :-) |
| 20:51.24 | reliver | would someone like to make a short intro page for Videocards for Elive ? |
| 20:53.06 | etech | ok thanks.. i'm checking it out.. |
| 20:54.25 | etech | sinplomo, what for should i make the elive-kernel-compile? |
| 20:54.48 | sinplomo | etech, apt-get install elive-kernel-compile |
| 20:54.56 | sinplomo | then read https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=1176 |
| 20:55.30 | sinplomo | elive-kernel-compile provide kernel headers |
| 20:55.38 | sinplomo | needed for module building |
| 20:55.40 | sinplomo | ... |
| 20:55.41 | sinplomo | :D |
| 20:56.29 | etech | ok.. i'll try .. thx! |
| 20:59.02 | etech | should i upgrade to xorg 6.8 or leave xfree 4.3? |
| 20:59.52 | sinplomo | upgrade ... |
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| 21:01.33 | etech | ok something like apt-get install xorg6.8? |
| 21:02.08 | sinplomo | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:02.19 | etech | wow thanks.. :-) |
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| 21:08.41 | reliver | i can not burn CDs. |
| 21:08.43 | reliver | is this a know error in Elive ? cdrecord: Cannot allocate memory. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer. |
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| 21:08.54 | etech | me too |
| 21:09.02 | reliver | hello eddan :-) |
| 21:09.09 | reliver | ok, etech. |
| 21:09.12 | blizzard^ | BABABABABABB!!!! |
| 21:09.13 | eddan | hi all :) |
| 21:09.17 | blizzard^ | hi =) |
| 21:13.38 | reliver | hello blizzard^ :-) |
| 21:14.42 | reliver | does one of you have a hint for etech and me for how to burn a CD in Elive. |
| 21:15.03 | etech | yes.. this would be great |
| 21:15.10 | reliver | i am kind of stuck without that ... |
| 21:15.35 | sinplomo | reliver, what google says ? |
| 21:15.43 | sinplomo | reliver, what does google say ? |
| 21:16.20 | sinplomo | reliver, try like root ... |
| 21:16.36 | reliver | ah, great idea, sinplomo. |
| 21:16.58 | etech | i've tried it |
| 21:17.07 | etech | doesn't work for me neither |
| 21:18.30 | reliver | burning started for me, sinplomo... |
| 21:18.55 | reliver | can it be done with: sudo gnomebaker too ? |
| 21:18.59 | sinplomo | etech, try cdrdao ... or gnomebaker or k3b |
| 21:19.12 | sinplomo | reliver, i think yes |
| 21:19.14 | sinplomo | try it |
| 21:19.15 | sinplomo | :P |
| 21:19.24 | reliver | thanks sinplomo. |
| 21:19.35 | sinplomo | gnomebaker without sudo works for me |
| 21:19.43 | sinplomo | it seems permissions problem ... |
| 21:19.47 | reliver | you don't like to speak about your school, do you ? |
| 21:20.01 | etech | i tried gnomebaker.. but it won't burn.. |
| 21:20.22 | reliver | what is the error messate, etech ? |
| 21:20.55 | sinplomo | reliver, why are you obssesioned by school ? |
| 21:21.21 | reliver | because you mention it all the time, sinplomo. |
| 21:21.34 | reliver | last time just 5 minutes ago :-) |
| 21:21.49 | sinplomo | 9 |
| 21:21.53 | sinplomo | ups |
| 21:21.58 | sinplomo | 10 minutes |
| 21:22.02 | etech | sinplomo, it says "Error mounting /mnt/cdr. umount: /mnt/cdr: not mounted |
| 21:22.03 | reliver | 11 :-) |
| 21:22.18 | sinplomo | etech, gnome baker ? |
| 21:22.23 | etech | yes |
| 21:22.30 | sinplomo | yeah .... i saw that ... |
| 21:22.35 | sinplomo | etech, try k3b |
| 21:22.38 | reliver | etech, see http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=CDrom |
| 21:23.28 | blizzard^ | k3b rocks! |
| 21:24.00 | etech | i would have to install a lot of kde stuff to use k3b.. that can't be good for my elive's chi ;-) .. yes.. you're right.. i liked k3b on fc3 too |
| 21:26.20 | reliver | thanks, sinplomo: http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=Burn |
| 21:26.40 | etech | hehe.. this is spanish.. then i've got to fetch my dictonary fast.. |
| 21:26.44 | reliver | does k3b work for you in Elive, blizzard^ ? |
| 21:27.17 | reliver | what is spanish, etech ? |
| 21:27.53 | etech | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | sinplomo | reliver, i love IBM linux howto |
| 21:28.27 | sinplomo | :) |
| 21:28.30 | reliver | sinplomo what video card would you recommend for Elive ? |
| 21:28.42 | sinplomo | reliver, anyone |
| 21:28.45 | sinplomo | tty power !! |
| 21:29.15 | sinplomo | reliver, support for nvidia is included ... but installing ati driver isn't a big probleme |
| 21:29.21 | sinplomo | it's very easy |
| 21:29.24 | reliver | why do you mention the ibm howto, sinplomo ? |
| 21:29.57 | reliver | sinplomo, let's write a page for the wiki about Videocards for Elive. |
| 21:34.31 | sinplomo | reliver, last link at http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=CDrom |
| 21:35.12 | reliver | ah, thats from ibm ? |
| 21:35.19 | reliver | i did not look at it :-) |
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| 21:40.51 | Elive_user | hello |
| 21:41.00 | reliver | hello Elive_user :-) |
| 21:41.55 | Elive_user | Does anybody know, how to install Elive on SATA? :)) |
| 21:43.18 | Elive_user | I googled for solution, but found no results ;( |
| 21:43.31 | reliver | i think it currently does not work, Elive_user :-( |
| 21:44.04 | Elive_user | oh well, what a pity... ;( |
| 21:44.05 | reliver | our main dev is looking for someone who could donate a simple SATA motherboard |
| 21:44.10 | reliver | to make it work. |
| 21:44.31 | reliver | would you like to help ? |
| 21:45.03 | Elive_user | Well I really would, but I'm not in right condition right now... |
| 21:45.16 | reliver | i am sorry ... |
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| 21:45.48 | Elive_user | eLive makes big impression on me, compared to other distros |
| 21:46.09 | reliver | thanks, Elive_user, would you like to join our club ? |
| 21:46.28 | reliver | http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=Elive+Club |
| 21:47.53 | Elive_user | You know, I guess I consider that :) |
| 21:48.34 | reliver | great. i am not good with english, what does that mean ? |
| 21:49.22 | Elive_user | heh :) that means I'm willing to take it seriously :) |
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| 21:50.20 | reliver | great :-) |
| 21:50.40 | reliver | just let us know if we can help. |
| 21:50.45 | Elive_user | you know, I were looking for distro light enough to run during my daily work... finally i found eLive |
| 21:51.11 | reliver | light is great, for me too. |
| 21:51.23 | Elive_user | I'm supprised It's not promoted too much on the net |
| 21:51.42 | reliver | because it is beta, Elive_user ... |
| 21:51.55 | Elive_user | I mean it's not easy to find anything about eLive. Oh I understand. |
| 21:52.29 | Elive_user | I find connecting Debian and Enlightenment a great choice |
| 21:52.36 | reliver | i run it day and night though ... |
| 21:52.46 | reliver | yes :-) |
| 21:53.01 | reliver | would you like to help with the wiki, Elive_user ? |
| 21:53.46 | Elive_user | I would if i knew enough! I'm afraid I'm more a PHP programmer than a linux coder :) |
| 21:54.56 | reliver | i am not looking for coders, the wiki is for helping users. |
| 21:56.00 | Elive_user | but helping users requires basic knowledge of this distribution expert options etc., doeas it? |
| 21:56.17 | reliver | just users helping users. |
| 21:56.43 | Elive_user | If my help would be helpful - why not =) |
| 21:57.11 | reliver | great. are you running Elive from the CD these days ? |
| 21:57.30 | Elive_user | right now, yes |
| 21:57.53 | reliver | you work in something else usually ? |
| 21:57.56 | Elive_user | I wanted to install it on my SATA hdd :) |
| 21:58.11 | Elive_user | I work in Debian all the time. |
| 21:58.59 | reliver | ah, great. |
| 21:59.20 | reliver | do you know how to make videocards work on debian ? |
| 22:00.02 | Elive_user | do You mean compiling the kernel modules for specific cards? |
| 22:00.45 | Elive_user | I'm not very experienced at this subject |
| 22:00.57 | sinplomo | reliver, ... |
| 22:01.05 | reliver | yes, sinplomo ? |
| 22:01.07 | sinplomo | nvidia card is included |
| 22:01.11 | sinplomo | on elive |
| 22:01.16 | reliver | great. |
| 22:01.19 | Elive_user | From the OS point of view, I am rather a user |
| 22:01.26 | sinplomo | for ati, apt-get install elive-kernel-compile |
| 22:01.48 | sinplomo | and then you have to download the binary from ati website |
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| 22:01.54 | sinplomo | and installing it |
| 22:02.01 | reliver | sinplomo, you would not like to collect your videocard tips from today on a wiki page ? |
| 22:02.12 | Davidcc6 | Como puedo instalar en una particion el elive sin que me borre los datos que hay en ella???? |
| 22:02.24 | Elive_user | is ati support stable on Elive? |
| 22:02.31 | reliver | esto no es posible Davidcc6. |
| 22:02.48 | sinplomo | for other drivers included on xorg/xfree just edit /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:02.53 | Davidcc6 | reliver, rayos.... no podre instalarlo entonces :( |
| 22:02.58 | reliver | estas en windows ahora, Davidcc6 ? |
| 22:03.06 | Davidcc6 | reliver, estoy en el elive en modo live :D |
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| 22:03.24 | reliver | tienes windows installado ? |
| 22:03.48 | Davidcc6 | reliver, en una particion tengo debian, en otra ubuntu, y la ultima tiene toda mi informacion (mucha) y es donde queria instalar el elive :D |
| 22:04.03 | sinplomo | Davidcc6, quita ubuntu |
| 22:04.04 | Davidcc6 | que es ese windows del que hablas??? es una distro de linux? |
| 22:04.09 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, no lo creo :D |
| 22:04.22 | reliver | no tienes un backup, Davidcc6 ? |
| 22:04.23 | sinplomo | tener ubuntu y debian al mismo tiempo |
| 22:04.24 | sinplomo | .... |
| 22:04.26 | sinplomo | :S |
| 22:04.27 | Elive_user | ok, I will be going now, but going to come back real soon ;) |
| 22:04.45 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, un momoento |
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| 22:05.10 | coagen | so |
| 22:05.10 | reliver | Elive_user, you don't have a rich aunt or someone ? |
| 22:05.34 | Elive_user | tell me please one more thing - if I become a member of Your club, will that make the support for SATA more possible? |
| 22:05.41 | coagen | any ideas on this nvidia problem i'm having anyone? |
| 22:05.48 | etech | help.. i need some help.. i made apt-get update && apt-get upgrade .. now i can't login anymore.. when i try to login in entrance it tries to start e17 then it goes back to entrance |
| 22:05.59 | reliver | Elive_user, it would help speed it up for sure :-) |
| 22:06.02 | sinplomo | coagen, wich kind of problems ? |
| 22:06.19 | Elive_user | rich aunt... who wouldn't have one! I regret I don't... :) |
| 22:06.28 | Davidcc6 | reliver, mira, tengo un disco de 120 gb, las 3 particiones tienen mucha info, las suficiente para no poder pasar la info de una particion a otra y dejarla limpia, visualizas el problema |
| 22:06.34 | sinplomo | reliver, don't promise things you aren't sure ... |
| 22:06.50 | Davidcc6 | /dev/hda1 23G 14G 9,7G 58% /mnt/hda1 |
| 22:06.50 | Davidcc6 | /dev/hda2 38G 35G 2,4G 94% /mnt/hda2 |
| 22:06.50 | Davidcc6 | /dev/hda3 54G 51G 3,4G 94% /mnt/hda3 |
| 22:06.54 | coagen | sinplomo: well i compiled the ck6 kernel, got it running well, and then got the nvidia driver, installed it, and now x wont give me anything but a white screen |
| 22:07.08 | Davidcc6 | S.ficheros Tamaño Usado Disp Uso% Montado en |
| 22:07.25 | sinplomo | coagen, send me xorg/xfree log |
| 22:07.32 | reliver | entiendo muy bien, Davidcc6, mas se no tienes un backup en un otro disco o en DVDs, vives bastante peligroso ... |
| 22:07.41 | coagen | sinplomo: k |
| 22:08.08 | Davidcc6 | reliver, si lo se :___( pero no tengo un peso para comprar discos y hacer buckups |
| 22:08.11 | sinplomo | coagen, or upload it to pastebien.com |
| 22:08.20 | Davidcc6 | pero=centavo. |
| 22:08.27 | Davidcc6 | peso=centavo** |
| 22:08.36 | Elive_user | isn't the sata support more or less the complication of providing just the kernel with compiled in modules for SATA disks? |
| 22:08.42 | sinplomo | coagen, pastebin.com |
| 22:08.48 | Davidcc6 | aaaaaaaa yo quiero elive :( |
| 22:09.00 | sinplomo | Davidcc6, saca ubuntu |
| 22:09.09 | reliver | yes, Elive_user, the main problem is the testing ... |
| 22:09.20 | Davidcc6 | si saco ubuntu ... pero como hago con la informacion que tengo en la particion de ubuntu? |
| 22:09.21 | Elive_user | oh I see... |
| 22:09.57 | reliver | we have 100 euro already, need some 60 more :-) |
| 22:10.11 | Elive_user | just 10 members? |
| 22:10.32 | reliver | yes, just starting, Elive_user :-) |
| 22:10.45 | reliver | and the richest give the less ... :-( |
| 22:10.53 | Elive_user | can't believe it! eLive deserves much more! |
| 22:11.05 | reliver | yes, i am fighting for it :-) |
| 22:11.09 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, como puedo saber cuanto pesa una carpeta en especial? |
| 22:11.36 | sinplomo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.00 | Elive_user | Tomorrow we'll talk about my membership! :) |
| 22:12.48 | reliver | great, Elive_user :-) |
| 22:12.54 | reliver | have a good evening. |
| 22:13.04 | Elive_user | And, BTW, if You need any support in developing eLive site (PHP, MySQL, etc.) You can count on me! |
| 22:13.30 | reliver | great, Elive_user, how can i recognise you ? |
| 22:13.32 | Elive_user | ...just 10 members... Where are all these people! On Fedora? :) |
| 22:13.44 | reliver | on windows :-) |
| 22:13.55 | Elive_user | my nick will be Gocio :) And I come from Poland :) |
| 22:14.30 | reliver | oh, Gocio, great to meat you. |
| 22:14.39 | reliver | thanatermesis is the main dev. |
| 22:14.53 | sinplomo | Elive_user, Na zawsze Elive ! |
| 22:14.55 | Elive_user | Yes, read on splash screen :) |
| 22:15.06 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, valla, uno esculcando encuentra cosas que nunca se hubiera acordado de tener :D |
| 22:15.17 | Elive_user | Hehe! Sinplomo where do You know that from? :)))) |
| 22:15.27 | Davidcc6 | voy a hacer una vuelta y vuelvo, que parece que encontre espacio para instalar elive :D |
| 22:15.33 | sinplomo | Elive_user, I have a friend who speaks polish ... |
| 22:15.35 | reliver | sinplomo knows everything :-) |
| 22:15.44 | Elive_user | Heh, very nice :) |
| 22:15.50 | etech | ha.. cool.. polish people? czesc ;-) |
| 22:15.58 | Elive_user | czesc! :) |
| 22:16.33 | Elive_user | I really must be going now. Till tomorrow, my friends ;) |
| 22:16.42 | Elive_user | Was really nice to meet You. |
| 22:16.44 | reliver | sinplomo, did you send the invite ? |
| 22:17.02 | reliver | see you :-) |
| 22:17.08 | Elive_user | bye bye |
| 22:17.13 | reliver | thanks, the same :-) |
| 22:17.17 | etech | dobra noc |
| 22:17.23 | Elive_user | heh, dobranoc ;) |
| 22:17.25 | sinplomo | reliver, give me a mail |
| 22:17.26 | coagen | sinplomo: oops |
| 22:17.28 | coagen | sinplomo: srry im in irssi |
| 22:17.36 | coagen | sinplomo: i attempted to /msg you the log |
| 22:17.38 | coagen | sinplomo: did you get it? |
| 22:17.41 | reliver | elive @ user-land.org |
| 22:17.56 | etech | can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 22:18.35 | etech | i've done .. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and now i can't login in elive anymore.. |
| 22:19.03 | reliver | thanatermesis can help you with that when he returns, etech. |
| 22:19.04 | sinplomo | bof |
| 22:19.11 | sinplomo | fucking entrance |
| 22:20.32 | etech | ok fine.. thx to that great live cd i can go on working tomorrow until Thanatermesis can help me.... |
| 22:20.56 | etech | btw. i'm first time in e16.. and i must say that i like it very much |
| 22:22.08 | etech | the ibar like bar is really cool.. and the desktop pager is really cool too.. these things are different in e17.. will they be implemented there too? |
| 22:22.39 | sinplomo | etech, do from an tty, apt-get install entrance |
| 22:22.56 | etech | what is tty? |
| 22:24.19 | sinplomo | terminal |
| 22:24.34 | etech | ok.. i'll try.. thx sinplomo |
| 22:27.29 | coagen | sinplomo: this reminds me |
| 22:27.45 | coagen | sinplomo: i had a problem when i first got elive installed on this machine |
| 22:28.17 | coagen | sinplomo: the base install had the nvidia driver but it wanted to display at 640x480 |
| 22:28.40 | coagen | which was terrible of course |
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| 22:34.31 | reliver | did you get my email, sinplomo ? |
| 22:35.54 | sinplomo | reliver, check you mail |
| 22:36.56 | sinplomo | *your |
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| 22:41.52 | etech | yeah.. it worked.. |
| 22:44.15 | sinplomo | :D |
| 22:44.18 | sinplomo | :) |
| 22:45.36 | etech | now i've got a real cool animation when i'm logging in.. |
| 22:45.52 | etech | is it possible that some themes make e17 really lame? |
| 22:46.08 | sinplomo | apt, e17-themes |
| 22:46.09 | apt | from memory, e17-themes is if you have installed any themes of e17 but not works, only copy with this line: "cp /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/* $HOME/.e/e/themes" and works |
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| 22:46.37 | sinplomo | etech, apt-cache search e17-theme |
| 22:46.42 | etech | i've got the impression that everything runs much faster in the default theme than e.g. with milky |
| 22:46.52 | etech | ok |
| 22:47.56 | etech | thats a cool function.. thx. sinplomo |
| 22:56.32 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, COMO RAYOS!!!!!!11 |
| 22:56.55 | sinplomo | etech, possible ... |
| 22:56.59 | sinplomo | Davidcc6, que ? |
| 22:59.12 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, como es posible tal falta de estilo!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:59.31 | sinplomo | Davidcc6, que dices ? |
| 22:59.33 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, en la instalacion de mierda aparece como opcion hda2 y hda3 para instalar |
| 22:59.42 | sinplomo | mierda tu |
| 22:59.47 | Davidcc6 | yo en ves de seleccionar le copie hda1 que era donde queria instalar |
| 22:59.49 | sinplomo | si tu puedes hacer algo mejor hazlo |
| 22:59.59 | Davidcc6 | claro... uno acostumbrado a las instalaciones de texto |
| 23:00.14 | Davidcc6 | y como es que la instlaacion de mierda me borra hda2...!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 23:00.17 | Davidcc6 | AAAAAAAAAAAA, QUE ESA MIERDA |
| 23:00.25 | Davidcc6 | LE ESCRIBI HDA1 Y ME BORRO HDA2 |
| 23:00.45 | Davidcc6 | Y ACABO DE COMPROBAR QUE NO FUE ERROR, COPIE MUY BIEN HDA1 |
| 23:00.48 | Davidcc6 | QUE PUTA MIERDA |
| 23:01.07 | Davidcc6 | 35GB A LA MIERDA |
| 23:01.36 | Davidcc6 | tenia que ser con click |
| 23:01.39 | Davidcc6 | tenia que darle un puto click |
| 23:01.59 | Davidcc6 | asi viera yo en la pantalla que le estaba digitando bien los datos, el hijo de mierda hizo lo que quizo |
| 23:03.06 | Davidcc6 | es la primera ves que me pasa algo tan absurdo con linux... |
| 23:05.06 | Davidcc6 | HIJOS DE MIERDA SISTEMAS GRAFICOS DE INSTALACION! HIJOS DE MIERDA |
| 23:05.15 | Davidcc6 | 35GB DE INFORMACION A LA MIERDA... |
| 23:05.33 | Davidcc6 | TODO CULPA MIA DE CONFIARME DE UNA INSTALACION GRAFICA, SOY UN IMBESIL |
| 23:06.10 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, AAAAAAAAA... COMO LA VES ??? |
| 23:06.24 | sinplomo | das pena ... |
| 23:06.40 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, me imagino que si... |
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| 23:06.57 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, como no va a dar pena un tipo que acaba de perder 35gb de informacion. |
| 23:07.28 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, soy un idiota por haberme confiado de ese sistema grafico... como no voy a dar pena |
| 23:08.21 | Davidcc6 | sinplomo, deci algo :( |
| 23:08.25 | reliver | Davidcc6, wow ,,, |
| 23:08.35 | reliver | los puedes recuperar ? |
| 23:08.39 | Davidcc6 | reliver, como? |
| 23:09.01 | reliver | perdiste datos personales ? |
| 23:09.13 | Davidcc6 | reliver, muchos :S, alguna informacion imiportante incluso |
| 23:09.35 | reliver | los puedes recuperar ? |
| 23:09.41 | Davidcc6 | decime como? |
| 23:09.54 | Davidcc6 | no se... la particion ha quedado borrada... |
| 23:10.49 | Davidcc6 | hay algun programa para recuperar esa informacion?, tipo easy recovery, era una reiserfs |
| 23:11.15 | reliver | si, se pueden recuperar estes datos, |
| 23:11.31 | Davidcc6 | Con que software? |
| 23:11.32 | reliver | mas so se no mas tocas este disco, davidcc6. |
| 23:12.22 | reliver | mi vecino pago 2000 euros l'ultimo ano, y recuperan todo para el. |
| 23:12.23 | Davidcc6 | reliver, no pienso tocar esa particion... con que software es entonces? |
| 23:12.33 | reliver | lo puedes hacer mas barato tambien. |
| 23:12.50 | Davidcc6 | yo si tuviera 2000 euros me compraria muchas cosas antes de pagarlos por recuperar informacion |
| 23:12.54 | reliver | son studios profesionales que lo hacen. |
| 23:13.05 | Davidcc6 | no hay algun software para hacerlo? |
| 23:13.19 | reliver | espera ayuda de un especialista antes de hacerlo tu. |
| 23:13.26 | Davidcc6 | ... |
| 23:13.28 | Davidcc6 | ... |
| 23:13.58 | yrithinnd | pobre hombre XD |
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| 23:14.34 | Mutacion | qiuboleee raza! xD |
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| 23:18.22 | reliver | existen tambien aplicaciones gratuitas para recuperar estos datos ? |
| 23:21.25 | pr0t0cod7 | testdisk |
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| 23:22.39 | sinplomo | la filosofia del raton |
| 23:22.41 | sinplomo | xDDDDD |
| 23:23.40 | Mutacion | qiubole sinplomo |
| 23:23.50 | sinplomo | que es eso ? |
| 23:23.51 | sinplomo | xD |
| 23:23.58 | sinplomo | quibole |
| 23:23.59 | sinplomo | xD |
| 23:25.17 | Mutacion | haha ya taz aprendiendo mexicano :P |
| 23:25.33 | sinplomo | es quiubole no qiubole |
| 23:25.36 | sinplomo | :P |
| 23:25.42 | Mutacion | qiubole no quibole |
| 23:25.47 | Mutacion | esqe yo me como las u :P |
| 23:25.49 | Mutacion | anarqia |
| 23:25.51 | Mutacion | qe |
| 23:26.01 | Mutacion | etc |
| 23:26.27 | sinplomo | español malsano |
| 23:26.35 | sinplomo | no al lenguaje SMS !! |
| 23:27.20 | Mutacion | qe es malsano? |
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| 23:29.09 | sinplomo | eso de comerse u |
| 23:29.10 | sinplomo | d |
| 23:29.15 | Mutacion | ah! |
| 23:29.19 | Mutacion | a mi me lo guta :P |
| 23:29.23 | sinplomo | y niñeces de ese estilo |
| 23:29.29 | Mutacion | ya te entendi lo del sms jiji xD |
| 23:29.36 | sinplomo | a me me duele en los ojos |
| 23:29.41 | sinplomo | *mi |
| 23:29.48 | Mutacion | no son niñeses.. son capacidades xpeciales |
| 23:29.56 | sinplomo | joder |
| 23:30.03 | sinplomo | no lo hagas aposta |
| 23:30.12 | Mutacion | qe es aposta? |
| 23:30.15 | Mutacion | haha :P |
| 23:30.29 | sinplomo | joder, español solo hay uno, si cada uno lo decora como le salga de los huevos ... a donde llegaremos ? |
| 23:30.47 | sinplomo | Mutacion, aposta es con intencion de hacerlo para joder |
| 23:30.48 | sinplomo | xD |
| 23:30.49 | Mutacion | espaniol mexicano, argentino, peruano, gallego, barcelones, catalan, etc etc |
| 23:31.02 | sinplomo | no mezcles |
| 23:31.12 | sinplomo | barcelones no existe |
| 23:31.31 | sinplomo | gallego y catalan son dos idiomas diferentes entre si y al castellano |
