| 00:00.04 | goldstein | reliver: simple: emanuel goldstein was the symbol of the ones from the revolution |
| 00:00.43 | reliver | aha :-) |
| 00:01.26 | reliver | forgive me for again not knowing the story ... did they succeed, were they good-hearted ? |
| 00:01.46 | goldstein | it was "the goldstein book" that talked about those peopelo and plans |
| 00:02.25 | goldstein | reliver: no. |
| 00:02.50 | reliver | were they well-intentioned, and failed ? |
| 00:04.02 | goldstein | in the end you dont really know if they existed or were invented to catch traidors |
| 00:04.50 | reliver | aha. |
| 00:05.02 | reliver | well, so better change the name, yes :-) |
| 00:05.22 | reliver | chutzpah is hebrew for no shame. |
| 00:05.43 | reliver | they cultivate that attitude: the stronger wins. |
| 00:05.49 | reliver | they like it. |
| 00:05.57 | reliver | i ... don't :-) |
| 00:06.21 | reliver | because i'm weak ;-) |
| 00:07.03 | goldstein | back. |
| 00:07.10 | reliver | no, because i don't like suffering, no matter who is the victim. |
| 00:07.33 | goldstein | yes, i understand. |
| 00:08.11 | goldstein | lol..if you search you ll get a few links comparing goldstein with al qaeda |
| 00:08.24 | goldstein | which embarasses me. |
| 00:10.10 | goldstein | but as i said, it was just a nick that came to me because i liked both the book and the idea of dissidence thet he spread, even if it wasnt real. |
| 00:11.34 | reliver | ah, i see. |
| 00:11.51 | reliver | i guess i can not speak about something i don't know :-) |
| 00:12.24 | goldstein | above all that, it sounded good to me, never thougth of it as a personal name |
| 00:12.37 | goldstein | i guess it looks like a real name:/ |
| 00:12.39 | reliver | it sure sounds good. |
| 00:13.24 | reliver | cultured people will think about 1984, stupids like me will think about jews :-) |
| 00:13.53 | goldstein | yes, but what i becoming aware that it sounds like a real name, and a jewish name. i never thought of it as that, because names im portugal dont look loke that. |
| 00:14.36 | goldstein | and i have thought of changing it because of that, i want a nickname, and not a surname..:/ which isnt mine.. |
| 00:15.25 | goldstein | i used to be Ov3rD0zE back in the nineties..lol |
| 00:18.24 | roxville | Thanatermesis, to be able to make the new elpanel icons... i need eapp edit... is it ready? |
| 00:19.23 | Thanatermesis | no roxville , i have problems with the CVS before... but in this moments works.. needs to wait aproximately 2 hours |
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| 00:20.22 | Elive_user | hello |
| 00:20.26 | roxville | ok, it's cool! |
| 00:20.39 | roxville | hello Elive_user |
| 00:20.41 | Elive_user | need help with nvidia driver |
| 00:21.02 | goldstein | whats the problem? |
| 00:21.27 | Elive_user | after clean install, it hangs on the nvidia splash screen |
| 00:22.04 | Elive_user | other than that, it's pretty good |
| 00:22.14 | Elive_user | suggestions? |
| 00:23.04 | roxville | that's tough... i haven't heard or seen that one before... |
| 00:23.09 | goldstein | yes (not that it happened to me but..). try to download the latest driver from nvidia.com and install it.. |
| 00:24.03 | goldstein | the problem here is that you need to boot elive WITHOUT starting X.. |
| 00:24.13 | goldstein | so you can install the driver.. |
| 00:24.54 | Elive_user | i'm hearing different suggestions here than the ones i see on the websites |
| 00:24.55 | goldstein | anyone: how does he start elive without starting X? |
| 00:25.11 | roxville | but it hangs and freezes totally on the nvidia splash screen? |
| 00:25.19 | Elive_user | that's right |
| 00:25.43 | goldstein | elive_user: this would be my first attempt, may not be the smartest one.. |
| 00:26.06 | Elive_user | the bootup procedure states that the NVIDIA module taints the kernel, so i must change it |
| 00:26.31 | goldstein | apt x en pt taints |
| 00:26.42 | goldstein | thx apt:) lol |
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| 00:27.11 | roxville | goldstein, it does something not very good to the kernel, ok? |
| 00:27.50 | goldstein | im having an "usuall" problem with anvidia driver too. it crashes when exit X. |
| 00:28.25 | goldstein | but i am lazy to install another (newer) driver |
| 00:28.53 | goldstein | what have you red on websites? |
| 00:29.13 | Elive_user | Pues me contesto a mi mismo, ;D, he conseguido que me funcione, ya me arranca con mi tarjeta nvidia GeForce2 MX 400, lo he conseguido poniendo el parametro noddc , antes de esto daba igual la opcion que eligiese, no arrancaba ni en runlevel 1. lo digo para a quien le pueda servir... |
| 00:29.13 | Elive_user | saludos. |
| 00:29.27 | Elive_user | but i do not know how to read spanish |
| 00:29.35 | roxville | lol |
| 00:29.49 | Elive_user | mrh, there's a translation site |
| 00:30.10 | roxville | apt x en es taints |
| 00:30.26 | goldstein | hum.. |
| 00:31.29 | roxville | Elive_user, thank you ,but goldstein is portuguese, not spanish... but he's a smart dude, i'm sure he can figure it out |
| 00:32.04 | goldstein | i would try to reinstall driver, although you have to be in text mode, without starting X. ask about that to thanatermesis |
| 00:32.21 | roxville | yeah |
| 00:32.22 | Elive_user | i can edit inittab |
| 00:32.26 | goldstein | lol roxville. i can read spanish, but not write |
| 00:32.46 | goldstein | yes, thats an idea. if you can boot from another distro |
| 00:32.52 | roxville | Thanatermesis, sorry... we have an nvidia splash screen that "hngs" and freezes on startup |
| 00:33.18 | roxville | "hangs" even |
| 00:34.29 | roxville | damn, i have no idea how to manually stop a module from loading |
| 00:35.20 | roxville | sure.. you're in aelive now, right? |
| 00:35.28 | Elive_user | right |
| 00:36.22 | roxville | well... then open a terminal and type su and scite /yada/inittab |
| 00:36.34 | goldstein | you need to prevent entranced to start, i think it is entrance that runs X |
| 00:36.47 | roxville | where is inittab? i have never had to deal with it lol |
| 00:36.47 | Elive_user | looking at the log, it appears that the glx mouse stuff is where it hangs |
| 00:36.50 | goldstein | you re on elive? from the cd? |
| 00:37.04 | goldstein | on /etc |
| 00:37.22 | Elive_user | yes, im looking at the xfree logs on the harddrive and it seems to hang on the glx mouse stuff |
| 00:38.40 | reliver | http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=Update |
| 00:39.18 | goldstein | reliver, but he is runnig from the cd |
| 00:39.50 | reliver | "im looking at the xfree logs on the harddrive" ? |
| 00:40.06 | roxville | so what does xfree86.conf say about the mouse? |
| 00:40.52 | roxville | yes reliver his install hangs on startup, so he boots from the cd to be able to read what's on the HD |
| 00:41.12 | roxville | :) |
| 00:41.28 | Elive_user | i was here a little while ago working on this same issue |
| 00:42.09 | roxville | how about trying another mouse... or plugging it in after the startup? |
| 00:42.24 | goldstein | roxville: but if it was because of the mouse, it shoudn´t freeze at the nvidia splashh |
| 00:42.29 | goldstein | but before. |
| 00:42.39 | goldstein | no..? |
| 00:42.48 | roxville | i dunno |
| 00:42.59 | Elive_user | hrm |
| 00:43.01 | roxville | i would at least try it |
| 00:43.15 | roxville | it's not very elegant, i know |
| 00:43.30 | Elive_user | does entranced probe the monitor? |
| 00:43.37 | goldstein | i had problems with mouse booting on gentoo, and it crashed before.. |
| 00:44.05 | Elive_user | specifically its the glx stuff |
| 00:44.21 | goldstein | elive_user: running a laptop? |
| 00:44.30 | Elive_user | no |
| 00:44.36 | goldstein | hum.. |
| 00:45.11 | reliver | oh, could he update his system from a console ? |
| 00:45.22 | Elive_user | (II) Loading extension NV-GLX |
| 00:45.22 | Elive_user | (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized |
| 00:45.22 | Elive_user | (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture |
| 00:45.22 | Elive_user | (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled |
| 00:45.22 | Elive_user | (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled |
| 00:45.23 | Elive_user | (**) Option "dpms" "true" |
| 00:45.25 | Elive_user | (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled |
| 00:45.27 | Elive_user | (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL |
| 00:45.29 | Elive_user | (==) RandR enabled |
| 00:45.31 | Elive_user | Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 00:45.33 | Elive_user | Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 00:45.37 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM |
| 00:45.39 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension |
| 00:45.41 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST |
| 00:45.43 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD |
| 00:45.45 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX |
| 00:45.47 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP |
| 00:45.49 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY |
| 00:45.51 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA |
| 00:45.53 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont |
| 00:45.55 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER |
| 00:45.57 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR |
| 00:45.59 | Elive_user | (II) Initializing extension GLX |
| 00:46.02 | Elive_user | (II) Keyboard "Keyboard0" handled by legacy driver |
| 00:46.03 | Elive_user | (**) Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" |
| 00:46.09 | Elive_user | (**) USB Mouse: Protocol: "IMPS/2" |
| 00:46.11 | Elive_user | (**) Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" |
| 00:46.13 | Elive_user | (**) USB Mouse: always reports core events |
| 00:46.15 | Elive_user | (**) Option "CorePointer" |
| 00:46.17 | Elive_user | (**) USB Mouse: Core Pointer |
| 00:46.19 | Elive_user | (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 00:46.21 | Elive_user | (**) Option "Buttons" "5" |
| 00:46.23 | Elive_user | (**) USB Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 |
| 00:46.25 | Elive_user | (**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 00:46.27 | Elive_user | (**) USB Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 |
| 00:46.29 | Elive_user | (**) USB Mouse: Buttons: 5 |
| 00:46.31 | Elive_user | (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Mouse" (type: MOUSE) |
| 00:46.33 | Elive_user | (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Event Handler" (type: Other) |
| 00:46.37 | Elive_user | (II) USB Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded |
| 00:46.38 | goldstein | roxville: he could, but i think he add to be booting on elive from hd..when upgrade, it will install xorg and maybe the problem would be solved |
| 00:46.39 | Elive_user | Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 00:46.41 | Elive_user | Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0 |
| 00:46.43 | Elive_user | Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.gz" already registered at priority 0 |
| 00:46.45 | Elive_user | Warning: font renderer for ".snf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 00:46.47 | Elive_user | Warning: font renderer for " |
| 00:46.49 | Elive_user | i tried that |
| 00:46.51 | Elive_user | does entranced create a log? |
| 00:46.54 | Elive_user | i tried that |
| 00:47.00 | roxville | i think it's the dri |
| 00:47.24 | roxville | open you xf86 conf and uncomment the DRI |
| 00:47.25 | goldstein | Elive_user: use pastebin.com for posting that kind of flood:D |
| 00:48.12 | roxville | in modules |
| 00:49.10 | roxville | Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 00:49.15 | goldstein | yes, try that.. |
| 00:49.23 | roxville | this is the only problem i see! |
| 00:49.37 | roxville | the rest is cleaner than my system! |
| 00:50.35 | goldstein | lol. our systems are not an example for anyone.. |
| 00:50.57 | roxville | since it is an nvidia card, the dri has to be commented out in any case |
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| 00:51.27 | goldstein | roxville...it has not.. |
| 00:51.47 | roxville | has too.. |
| 00:51.48 | goldstein | i mean, i just checked that mine is not commented...:/ i know it should |
| 00:52.24 | roxville | well it wasn't in mine either, so that's the first thing i did after going through some probs... |
| 00:52.58 | roxville | if you don't have probs with dri in nvidia, it's cool |
| 00:53.24 | roxville | you should comment it out anyway |
| 00:53.43 | Elive_user | what's dri? |
| 00:53.57 | Elive_user | and what's mode 0666? |
| 00:54.17 | roxville | it's a module hmmmok, i'll look it up lol |
| 00:54.29 | goldstein | lol |
| 00:55.20 | goldstein | roxville, i think according to the README from nvidia drivers that DRI must be there. |
| 00:55.45 | Elive_user | ok |
| 00:55.59 | goldstein | at least i have some scribled lines in my notebook about that.. |
| 00:56.19 | Elive_user | i modifed the grub loader to add 'noddc' to the boot options, according to the website |
| 00:56.53 | goldstein | it will load without starting X? |
| 00:56.58 | Elive_user | and i have also edited XF86Config-4 and changed Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv" as suggested |
| 00:57.07 | Elive_user | no, im using the elivecd |
| 00:57.11 | goldstein | nv is the generic driver |
| 00:57.30 | Elive_user | anything else you can recommend besides just upgrading to x.org? |
| 00:57.34 | roxville | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.34 | roxville | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.34 | roxville | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.34 | roxville | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.42 | goldstein | try it, but if it works try to install a nvidia driver becaus you ll gain performance |
| 00:58.08 | goldstein | hum..roxville.. |
| 00:58.20 | roxville | this is what i got from 1 site |
| 00:58.26 | roxville | so far lol |
| 00:58.31 | goldstein | i believe if you upgrade to x.org you wont have more problems |
| 00:59.06 | roxville | this is true |
| 00:59.13 | goldstein | jst a min |
| 00:59.48 | Elive_user | brb rebooting |
| 01:01.06 | goldstein | may the force be with you, elive_user.. |
| 01:01.16 | goldstein | gforce.. |
| 01:02.38 | roxville | lol |
| 01:03.02 | roxville | did he comment out the dri or not? |
| 01:03.33 | goldstein | dunno...damn, cant find the README file.. |
| 01:05.56 | roxville | gotta put daughter in bed, bbs |
| 01:06.03 | goldstein | and ftp from nvidia is down |
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| 01:17.17 | Elive_user | yay |
| 01:17.22 | Elive_user | it booted |
| 01:17.23 | goldstein | so? |
| 01:17.40 | goldstein | cool. what have you done? |
| 01:17.58 | Elive_user | i booted to the elivecd |
| 01:18.27 | Elive_user | i used scite to traverse to the fs installed on the hd |
| 01:18.40 | goldstein | yes.. |
| 01:18.59 | Elive_user | i edited the grub configuration file to add 'noddc' to the kernel boot options |
| 01:19.56 | Elive_user | i edited XF86Conf-4, changing the Driver to 'nv', i commented out the 'ddc' and 'glx' module load options |
| 01:20.06 | goldstein | ok:) |
| 01:20.15 | reliver | wow :-) |
| 01:20.18 | Elive_user | i rebooted to the hard drive |
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| 01:20.35 | Elive_user | i used fcsk to repair damage to the file system |
| 01:20.36 | goldstein | you should post that on the wiki |
| 01:20.49 | Elive_user | i rebooted to the hard drive |
| 01:21.15 | Elive_user | i will use the system for awhile to see if it's stable |
| 01:21.24 | goldstein | ok. |
| 01:21.31 | goldstein | then try to apgrade |
| 01:21.32 | reliver | e17 is not stable. |
| 01:21.40 | Elive_user | im in e16 |
| 01:21.42 | goldstein | use e16 for now.. |
| 01:21.43 | reliver | e16 is incomplete but stable. |
| 01:21.57 | Elive_user | if it continues to work, ill comment to the wiki |
| 01:22.00 | goldstein | then try to upgrade and reinstall nvidia driver;) |
| 01:22.19 | goldstein | bye dudes, its getting really late here:) |
| 01:22.21 | reliver | why not update the system now ? |
| 01:22.33 | Elive_user | upgrading seems to cause problems |
| 01:22.58 | reliver | oh. |
| 01:23.30 | Elive_user | the elive and debian website indicate that the nvidia problems tend to crop up especially after updates |
| 01:23.35 | Elive_user | why push my luck? |
| 01:23.52 | reliver | i see. |
| 01:24.17 | reliver | do you use the default Elive video driver ? |
| 01:24.18 | goldstein | hum, youll try it sooner or later. |
| 01:24.20 | roxville | well i had probs when i installed elive. i've had far less X probs after the upgrade to xorg |
| 01:24.56 | Elive_user | doesnt seem to be an option as to what driver xor uses |
| 01:25.01 | Elive_user | doesnt seem to be an option as to what driver xorg uses |
| 01:25.16 | roxville | the probs in elive right now are because of upgrades in enlightenment, not the debian system |
| 01:25.38 | reliver | i mean did you run into these problems by just installing plain Elive, no modifications ? |
| 01:25.41 | roxville | xorg can use nv too |
| 01:26.05 | roxville | but i've had no probs with my nvidia card or drivers |
| 01:26.13 | roxville | as long as dri is commented out |
| 01:26.16 | roxville | :) |
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| 01:26.20 | Elive_user | well |
| 01:27.54 | Elive_user | i will reboot again to be sure |
| 01:36.33 | dererk | Hi! |
| 01:36.36 | dererk | I'm back! |
| 01:36.40 | dererk | :D |
| 01:36.48 | reliver | hello dererk ._9 |
| 01:36.56 | dererk | reliver, :D |
| 01:37.02 | dererk | reliver, Hi again partner! |
| 01:37.23 | reliver | yes, you had a good day ? :-) |
| 01:37.40 | dererk | Well |
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| 01:38.35 | dererk | Besides de fact I was quite near a dangerous situation with my arm, I'm fine now |
| 01:38.36 | dererk | :D |
| 01:38.46 | dererk | reliver, Thanks for asking :D |
| 01:38.46 | reliver | oh ... |
| 01:38.52 | dererk | reliver, How about you? |
| 01:38.53 | reliver | with a bus ? |
| 01:39.05 | reliver | supertired ... |
| 01:39.26 | reliver | almost falling into my bed by magnetic pull since some 20 minutes :-) |
| 01:39.39 | dererk | Oh |
| 01:39.52 | reliver | or did you give someone your little finger ? :-) |
| 01:39.57 | dererk | Trying not to stop you |
| 01:41.09 | dererk | ping Thanatermesis |
| 01:42.36 | reliver | thanatermesis is waking up all 10 minutse for 5 seconds :-) |
| 01:43.11 | Thanatermesis | dererk pong |
| 01:45.29 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Solo de molesto pregunto, mas o menos, para cuando estaria disponible para poner la parte de los idiomas? |
| 01:45.33 | dererk | reliver, :P |
| 01:47.03 | reliver | dererk tiene una super educacion aristocratica, thanatermesis, no mas caca ahora :-) |
| 01:47.40 | dererk | ¿? |
| 01:47.43 | dererk | O_o |
| 01:47.49 | dererk | I don't understand! |
| 01:47.55 | dererk | :-S |
| 01:48.14 | reliver | (thanatermesis sometimes likes to talk dirty :-) |
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| 01:48.38 | dererk | reliver, Why do you say that? |
| 01:48.43 | dererk | :-_ |
| 01:48.44 | reliver | y tu cortesia en tus expressiones es linda, dererk :-) |
| 01:48.50 | dererk | Oh |
| 01:48.51 | dererk | :D |
| 01:48.56 | dererk | Thks Lad |
| 01:48.58 | dererk | :D |
| 01:49.08 | reliver | sure :-) |
| 01:49.28 | dererk | xDDDDD |
| 01:49.31 | reliver | se valorisa mas quando uno se encuentra en el desierto ;-) |
| 01:49.31 | dererk | Thanatermesis, xDDDD |
| 01:49.49 | Thanatermesis | dererk no se sabe... para cuando el servidor este disponible... |
| 01:50.02 | Thanatermesis | reliver sabes para cuando estaria "mas o menos" el servidor nuevo disponible ? |
| 01:50.02 | dererk | reliver, I only want to be polite ;) |
| 01:50.04 | reliver | yes, apt, who defined ubuntu ? :-) |
| 01:50.37 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Y, que? Hay un problema con el servidor? No tenes bash ahi? |
| 01:50.38 | reliver | lembras la conversacion ayer con shadoi ? |
| 01:50.43 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Como es el tema? |
| 01:50.58 | Thanatermesis | dererk bash ? no tengo accesso por el momento, y no esta listo aun... hay que esperar |
| 01:51.00 | reliver | desapareci de un momento para otro sin decir nada, verdad ? |
| 01:51.39 | reliver | recebimos un nuevo servidor ayer, dererk :-) |
| 01:51.42 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Ahhh, ok, entiendo, entiendo, no hay problema, de todas maneras solo me falta un pedacito que termino hoy |
| 01:51.50 | dererk | reliver, Como? |
| 01:51.54 | dererk | reliver, Y eso? |
| 01:52.04 | dererk | reliver, Un Proliant o algo asi? |
| 01:52.09 | dererk | Guau |
| 01:52.14 | reliver | we received a new server yesterday. |
| 01:52.15 | dererk | Y quien lo tiene? |
| 01:52.24 | dererk | reliver, I understood :) |
| 01:52.35 | reliver | shadoi bought it and he is very busy ... |
| 01:53.18 | Thanatermesis | dererk perfecto! :) a ver si tenemos el nuevo server y se monta la cosa linda ;) |
| 01:53.53 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Estoy anodadado con la noticia |
| 01:54.07 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Cuenta, cuenta, como fue que se junto el dinerillo? |
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| 01:57.38 | dererk | mutcion, Hi! |
| 01:57.39 | Thanatermesis | dererk mejor preguntale eso a reliver ;) |
| 01:57.49 | mutcion | qiubole thana |
| 01:58.21 | reliver | hola, mutacion :-) |
| 01:58.46 | mutcion | ese reliver! qe milagrazo |
| 01:59.26 | roxville | what do you run the server on Thanatermesis ? |
| 01:59.58 | mutcion | qiubole rox |
| 01:59.59 | reliver | milagrazo ? |
| 02:00.02 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es what do you run the server on Thanatermesis ? |
| 02:00.20 | Thanatermesis | no roxville , in my machine only runs the Trac |
| 02:01.25 | roxville | brb, daughter woke up |
| 02:05.01 | mutcion | haha che rox jiji |
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| 02:12.34 | roxville | no Thanatermesis what OS does the server run? |
| 02:12.51 | Thanatermesis | ah, mmmh, not remember, posible debian ? |
| 02:12.53 | Thanatermesis | reliver ? |
| 02:13.26 | roxville | it's ok |
| 02:13.34 | roxville | no biggie |
| 02:13.56 | reliver | si ? |
| 02:14.09 | reliver | debian, si. |
| 02:14.35 | roxville | ok reliver gracias :) |
| 02:15.18 | reliver | bien, roxville hablando espanol, thanatermesis hablando ingles ... la familia progresa :-) |
| 02:15.56 | roxville | si! lol |
| 02:16.13 | roxville | muy progresa |
| 02:16.16 | Thanatermesis | xD |
| 02:16.33 | roxville | cuando se come aqui? |
| 02:17.45 | mutcion | a la hora qe sea :P |
| 02:17.57 | roxville | ah, ok, bien! |
| 02:18.03 | mutcion | we got hambrita :P |
| 02:18.10 | roxville | lol |
| 02:18.28 | roxville | que? no pollo? |
| 02:18.44 | mutcion | today nop.. i dunno.. i havent been in my house since 7am :s |
| 02:19.00 | roxville | lol, ok |
| 02:19.23 | mutcion | im organizating a congress (linux) and im encharge of all pcs..and things like that :s.. |
| 02:20.33 | reliver | great, mutacion, can i have one too >;?) |
| 02:22.19 | Thanatermesis | roxville efl not compile... i make a new total system for the pacakges compilations... you need to wait tomorrow, sorry :) |
| 02:23.35 | roxville | ok, it's ok! |
| 02:23.40 | mutcion | yeah! :p we're gonna give courses of python, shell, basic linux, lamp (linux,apache,mysql,php), flash(winbug), vpn(winbug).. visual net(winbug) |
| 02:24.18 | roxville | you need to get some sleep Thanatermesis |
| 02:24.47 | roxville | so you will grow up to be big and strong like daddy |
| 02:24.52 | roxville | :) |
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| 02:25.50 | mutcion | i need a cup of coffee |
| 02:25.51 | Thanatermesis | sleep ? what is it ? :) |
| 02:26.02 | mutcion | and a torta of milanesa |
| 02:26.07 | Thanatermesis | I: Checking component main on http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian... |
| 02:26.07 | Thanatermesis | E: Couldn't find these debs: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 02:26.09 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 02:26.17 | Thanatermesis | not posible to create new system |
| 02:28.24 | roxville | uh-oh, that's not good |
| 02:29.15 | Thanatermesis | no... nots good |
| 02:29.48 | roxville | http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 02:30.30 | roxville | amd 64? |
| 02:31.14 | roxville | http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 02:31.28 | roxville | Thanatermesis, those don't work? |
| 02:31.37 | roxville | the second one? |
| 02:34.12 | Thanatermesis | thanks roxville :) |
| 02:34.25 | roxville | it's in stable |
| 02:34.32 | Thanatermesis | but.. i try first to modify the script for create this, aparently have a new version |
| 02:34.42 | Thanatermesis | yes, and i build in "testing" |
| 02:34.44 | roxville | it was the only way to get your attention lol |
| 02:35.00 | Thanatermesis | hehe,yes, im little busy :) |
| 02:35.07 | roxville | ahhh... ok, sorry :/ |
| 02:35.28 | Thanatermesis | apt abi |
| 02:35.30 | apt | abi is probably Application Binary Interface |
| 02:36.35 | roxville | ok, i'm sorry, get back to your coffee lol :) |
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| 02:40.54 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es get back to your coffee lol |
| 02:44.51 | Thanatermesis | apt drunk |
| 02:44.52 | apt | yay! |
| 02:45.44 | roxville | LOL |
| 02:46.59 | Thanatermesis | I: Extracting mawk... |
| 02:46.59 | Thanatermesis | I: Extracting mount... |
| 02:46.59 | Thanatermesis | I: Extracting ncurses-base... |
| 02:46.59 | Thanatermesis | I: Extracting ncurses-bin... |
| 02:46.59 | Thanatermesis | I: Extracting passwd... |
| 02:47.00 | Thanatermesis | I: Extracting perl-base... |
| 02:47.02 | Thanatermesis | I: Extracting procps... |
| 02:47.04 | Thanatermesis | I: |
| 02:47.06 | Thanatermesis | yipyyyyyyyy |
| 02:49.12 | Thanatermesis | '--==(/packages)==--> du -hs debootstrap |
| 02:49.12 | Thanatermesis | 104M debootstrap |
| 02:49.18 | Thanatermesis | its a clean system :) |
| 02:49.19 | mutcion | y como funciona ? |
| 02:49.28 | Thanatermesis | pues voy a montarlo... |
| 02:50.09 | roxville | uh-huh... |
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| 03:27.14 | Thanatermesis | :o |
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| 03:29.28 | coagen | i still cant get the stupid nvidia driver to work with the kernel i compiled |
| 03:29.34 | coagen | argh |
| 03:30.09 | coagen | if i dont load the glx in the xorg.conf x starts fine just no gl... of course |
| 03:30.23 | coagen | but with glx nothing but a white screen |
| 03:32.12 | coagen | wonder if i compiled in something i shouldnt have |
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| 05:21.24 | coagen | ok |
| 05:21.26 | coagen | i'm pissed |
| 05:21.30 | coagen | fucking nvidia |
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| 05:24.12 | coagen | i cant get glx to load |
| 05:24.14 | coagen | for anything |
| 05:24.27 | coagen | this shit is driving me nuts |
| 05:26.42 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, you has asked in #debian for the NVIDIA support in xorg ? |
| 05:30.02 | coagen | no |
| 05:30.05 | coagen | i havent |
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| 05:32.03 | coagen | Thanatermesis: what is wrong with the nvidia support in xorg? |
| 05:33.54 | Thanatermesis | i don't have idea... |
| 05:33.58 | Thanatermesis | but works in my machine |
| 05:35.58 | coagen | :P |
| 05:36.24 | Thanatermesis | you have installed "elive-kernel-compile" ? |
| 05:36.40 | coagen | hmmm |
| 05:36.40 | coagen | no |
| 05:36.49 | coagen | what is that |
| 05:36.59 | Thanatermesis | you use the same kernel ? |
| 05:37.25 | coagen | no |
| 05:37.30 | coagen | i'm using ck8 |
| 05:37.39 | coagen | from linux-militia.net |
| 05:37.51 | coagen | i think i figured out the problem tho |
| 05:38.38 | Thanatermesis | oh, its posible to are this diferent kernel... |
| 05:38.43 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, what kernel it is ? |
| 05:41.53 | coagen | 2.6.13-ck8 |
| 05:42.00 | roxville | see you tomorrow/later on today |
| 05:42.08 | coagen | Linux coagen.ath.cx 2.6.13-ck8 #1 Wed Oct 19 01:06:12 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:45.26 | Thanatermesis | its a very recent kernel coagen ... |
| 05:45.30 | Thanatermesis | yes roxville ... i also... |
| 05:45.33 | Thanatermesis | i need to sleep |
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| 05:45.46 | Thanatermesis | 07:45 :/ |
| 05:49.40 | reliver | si... :-) |
| 05:51.39 | Thanatermesis | good night all |
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| 10:25.01 | Enlighted | nass |
| 10:28.56 | Enlighted | err...did I read wrong, or eLive will now be based on Debian "Etch"? |
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| 12:14.21 | roxville | good morning ppl! :) |
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| 12:32.33 | roxville | tjenare jabba :) |
| 12:32.36 | Jabba | tja :) |
| 12:32.52 | roxville | allt ok? |
| 12:33.44 | roxville | har du testat elpanel? |
| 12:33.56 | Jabba | jo tack :) näe, vad är det? |
| 12:34.02 | Jabba | alltså, jag har inte ens testat elive |
| 12:34.03 | Jabba | :) |
| 12:34.21 | roxville | lol...ok |
| 12:34.25 | Jabba | funkar inte på min laptop pga dåligt firewire-stöd och den andra startar jag aldrig om :) |
| 12:34.54 | roxville | jag fick till slut min firewire att funka...men det var en hel del jobb |
| 12:35.08 | Jabba | måste boota från firewire.. |
| 12:35.43 | roxville | elpanel e bara en panel för att öppna inställnings program |
| 12:36.07 | roxville | mthana har gjort den .. ser ganska kul ut |
| 12:36.26 | Jabba | okej |
| 12:36.31 | roxville | wow, boot från... inte lätt om det inte är en mac |
| 12:36.39 | Jabba | :) |
| 12:37.10 | roxville | det är fanimej omöjligt om det inte är en mac |
| 12:39.14 | roxville | det var så jäkla ballt på min gamla imac, att jag kunde boota osx från min firewire+HD |
| 12:39.57 | roxville | hmmm dom säjer att när man börjar prata svenska igen, är det svordomarna man kommer ihåg först... verkar stämma Ö= |
| 12:40.08 | roxville | Ö) |
| 12:40.15 | roxville | :) |
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| 13:13.17 | Elive_user | greetngs |
| 13:15.39 | Elive_user | i wonder if this will work |
| 13:16.13 | Elive_user | sh: infobash: command not found |
| 13:16.18 | Elive_user | hhhhhhhhhhhm |
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| 13:24.37 | bluewater | Greetings all.. is anyone . AWAKE??????????????/ |
| 13:29.46 | bluewater | Boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:32.53 | cornelius[cz] | eeeeeeeeeeeeeek!!! :))) |
| 13:34.55 | bluewater | grins,, YES a person is here .. fab stuff |
| 13:37.43 | Thanatermesis | hi all |
| 13:37.55 | Thanatermesis | hi cornelius[cz] |
| 13:38.24 | Thanatermesis | you have look the final interface of Elpanel ? :) http://elive.xasein.com/misc/elpanel.avi |
| 13:38.57 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: greetings,, the reason i am here .. is i dont quite understand the app in elive |
| 13:39.48 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es the reason i am here .. is i dont quite understand the app in Elive |
| 13:39.52 | Thanatermesis | what app ? |
| 13:40.31 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: Evidence |
| 13:40.42 | Thanatermesis | not is easy to use ? |
| 13:41.46 | Jabba | Thanatermesis: hi..i've sent you an e-mail |
| 13:42.38 | Thanatermesis | yep |
| 13:42.48 | bluewater | its not a matter of easy,, its a matter of i am not sure of its priority,, is it the linux HOME in elive.. |
| 13:42.54 | Thanatermesis | i have reply in the exact moment Jabba :) |
| 13:43.02 | Thanatermesis | this* |
| 13:43.10 | Jabba | Thanatermesis: thanks |
| 13:43.24 | Thanatermesis | thanks to you Jabba |
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| 13:43.35 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es its not a matter of easy,, its a matter of i am not sure of its priority,, is it the linux HOME in elive.. |
| 13:44.19 | Thanatermesis | bluewater mmmh, you speak "evidence = bad FM" ? |
| 13:45.13 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: bad FM????????????? |
| 13:45.59 | Thanatermesis | i dont know... what do you speak ? :) |
| 13:47.31 | bluewater | For the record Elive is about the only Live distro, that has found my sound card,, and not squawked about it so it 100 out of 100 for me |
| 13:48.34 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es For the record Elive is about the only Live distro, that has found my sound card,, and not squawked about it so it 100 out of 100 for me |
| 13:48.49 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 13:48.58 | Thanatermesis | you have installed in the hard disk ? |
| 13:51.12 | bluewater | NO.. as a live CD.. and its one of a handfull that is able to fire up.and the others were DSL/Feather... not what i was looking for,, yet fantastic distro.. no other disro has as a live CD, fired up.. and found sound,, thats impressive,, and i only have 128mb ram,, and nodma |
| 13:54.04 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 13:54.20 | Thanatermesis | yo have the posibility of install in the hard disk for make me 2 tests ? |
| 13:54.50 | Thanatermesis | because is posible to are implemented the "udev" for next releases* (change totally the autodetection of sound card), and for the DMA, |
| 13:55.29 | bluewater | Huge possibilty,, as what i have been basing my analysis on is .. if the disro works 'Live" then it will work on HD Install |
| 13:55.31 | Thanatermesis | you are the only person to not have DMA of i know.. and need to make a test with this machine for look if works with a DMA configuration activated (2 diferents modes) |
| 13:55.49 | cornelius[cz] | Thanatermesis: not yet, but I will :) |
| 13:56.59 | bluewater | I had to load it "failsafe " and took out the following nousb, no dchp. nomce.nopcmia |
| 13:58.26 | Thanatermesis | cornelius[cz] , make a look, the interface is finished ;) |
| 13:58.48 | bluewater | btw,, its an old digital Hinote VP |
| 13:59.14 | Thanatermesis | cornelius[cz] but.. look the icons, not is very "user-friendly", don't asimilate very with the action icon.. http://club.elivecd.org/tiki-index.php?page=Elpanel |
| 14:01.24 | Thanatermesis | yes bluewater ... in the liveCD mode you can posible to make a test, a test of "udev", but only in the installed mode is good for test for DMA... |
| 14:01.39 | Thanatermesis | if you have time, and a free partition for test... contact me bluewater :) |
| 14:01.47 | Thanatermesis | we need to make better Elive ;) |
| 14:02.30 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: i know udev in some of the latest kernels is causing a problem,,i think |
| 14:03.59 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: how do you want me to test udev? |
| 14:08.20 | cornelius[cz] | Thanatermesis: on what kind of line the video is placed? it downloads terribly slow |
| 14:09.54 | Jabba | 15:42:16 (176.54 KB/s) - `elpanel.avi' saved [1471670/1471670] |
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| 14:11.55 | cornelius[cz] | haha, 3kBs on this line |
| 14:12.04 | Jabba | oh |
| 14:13.57 | cornelius[cz] | and club.elivecd.org looks down aswell :/ |
| 14:14.08 | Thanatermesis | bluewater yes, in any case, in the liveCD mode you dno't have any danger, test it in the liveCD and look if the audio card works :) |
| 14:14.39 | Thanatermesis | bluewater and for the DMA... you have problems with the "normal generic kernels from debian" ? |
| 14:15.55 | Thanatermesis | mmmmh, no in my machine cornelius[cz] ... club.elivecd.org works good and fast, also for the video, (i have tested this in this moments) |
| 14:18.33 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: re audio,, had to do alsaconf.. and after several reboots i finnaly just unXed the chips i knew i didnot not have,, my chip is a cs4236.. however i just hit YES without unchecking yamaha etc,, and it just stayed there for over half an hor . untill. i specifically rebooted and told it what chip i had.. ( it did not want to seem to progress),, this maybe a function of 2 items,, an old lpatop, and nodma |
| 14:19.04 | cornelius[cz] | well, downloaded |
| 14:20.12 | Thanatermesis | bluewater without check of yamaha works ? mmmh, this is a bad thing, posible the "yamaha" not is implemented... i know for a "new list of audio autodetections", posible more complete, for Elive 0.5 ... |
| 14:21.14 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: re "normal generic kernels from debian' uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmm ,, put it this way NO,, its the desktops that pose a prblem, as i am doing analysis based on this parametre,, if it works LIVE it will work HD install (whether my thinking is correct ,, i dont know) |
| 14:21.44 | Thanatermesis | bluewater what about DMA ? you can posible to detail me better ? for the Elive installed in the hard disk, make a hdparm dma configuration... you have problems with this ? and for the kenrels of include "auto-dma load" ? (this is the 2 methods for load dma) |
| 14:22.58 | cornelius[cz] | Thanatermesis: the video looks ..... good but you're right, icons need some tweaking. can you send me pack of those you've used? |
| 14:23.01 | Thanatermesis | not exactly, the liveCD mode autodetects and configure DMA... the installed system actually simple "set dma on", but for the next release of Elive with a new kernel, the dma is activated same to a normal debian kernel "auto-load dma from kernel if its available" |
| 14:23.18 | Thanatermesis | yes cornelius[cz] , give me a second... |
| 14:23.30 | cornelius[cz] | ok. thnx |
| 14:24.24 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: give me 2 days to Burn data to CD,, resize XP NTFS so that i have a 6gig Linux partition ( the old lappy has 12gig ..currnelty 6.5gigs with xp and data) |
| 14:27.32 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: do not get rid of the FAILSAFE option on boot.. i was able to edit what i wanted ON,, and thus able to boot up an 8yo, dinosuaur lappy that till now NO ONE has got SOUND UP.. |
| 14:28.02 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es do not get rid of the FAILSAFE option on boot.. i was able to edit what i wanted ON,, and thus able to boot up an 8yo, dinosuaur lappy that till now NO ONE has got SOUND UP.. |
| 14:29.26 | Thanatermesis | bluewater its posible to test a part of the DMA in the liveCD mode... or if you can give me a ssh conection, i test it in one moment... |
| 14:29.58 | Thanatermesis | cornelius[cz] http://thana.no-ip.org/tmp/tmp/elpanel-icons.zip |
| 14:31.24 | Thanatermesis | cornelius[cz] you have in this file a little part of the code, you don't need this file, but is only for you understand for what is exactly a icon, have a description for show in text... for example "click for configure the date and time"... etc |
| 14:32.16 | bluewater | Thanatermes:ok how do i test DMA?????? |
| 14:32.27 | cornelius[cz] | ok, I'll put my eye on it and see what can be tweaked (and probably do some new icons according to these if I have some free time) |
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| 14:32.55 | Thanatermesis | bluewater first, test your speed, "sudo hdparm -t /dev/hda" |
| 14:34.30 | Thanatermesis | bluewater test if have dma enabled: "hdparm /dev/hda | grep dma", after, set DMA: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda |
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| 14:35.18 | Thanatermesis | perfect cornelius[cz] , make all do you like to make, modify or create totally new icons, all welcome. and thanks! :) |
| 14:37.55 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: one moment |
| 14:39.06 | Thanatermesis | bluewater after you SET the dma, in a machine of not support... test now the speed with the -t parameter, and look if works good or not |
| 14:39.07 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 14:41.52 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: re sudo hdparm -t /dev/hda = Timing buffered disk reads: 4mb in 3.13 seconds = 1.28 MB/sec |
| 14:42.14 | Thanatermesis | 1.28 MB ? wow ! |
| 14:42.19 | Thanatermesis | this is REALLY slow |
| 14:42.38 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: I KNOW!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:43.17 | Thanatermesis | i have 14 Mb in my old machine... |
| 14:43.21 | Thanatermesis | but use DMA |
| 14:43.23 | bluewater | lol |
| 14:43.45 | Thanatermesis | 14 MB/sec |
| 14:44.10 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: is it a Bios problem? |
| 14:44.56 | Thanatermesis | mmh, no |
| 14:45.01 | Thanatermesis | apt x es en no lo creo |
| 14:45.14 | bluewater | i was afraid you would say that.. LOL |
| 14:45.26 | Thanatermesis | apt x es en pensar |
| 14:45.36 | Thanatermesis | i dont think to are a bios problem |
| 14:46.15 | Thanatermesis | ok, test now to set DMA.. |
| 14:46.33 | bluewater | ok.. |
| 14:50.55 | bluewater | hhhhhhhhhhmmmm hdparm NOT FOUND.. grrrrrrrrr.. maybe i ma typing it in wrong |
| 14:51.49 | Thanatermesis | root |
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| 14:53.30 | bluewater | yep in root.. Thanatermesis: i am going to come on here via the laptop,, give me a moment |
| 14:58.11 | bluewater | Kano this is on the box that is running rc12 Timing buffered disk reads: 28 MB in 3.10 seconds = 9.03 MB/sec the other was on my laptop, grin |
| 14:59.21 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: for some reason i have a loo[pback on my lappy and cant get out |
| 15:00.11 | Thanatermesis | loopback ? |
| 15:00.41 | Thanatermesis | Kano 9 Mb/sec ? mmmh, what machine is ? |
| 15:00.45 | Thanatermesis | what Mhz of CPU ? |
| 15:00.50 | bluewater | i run kanotix on a p2 desktop,, i have a high priority to get the laptop though |
| 15:01.22 | Thanatermesis | p2 ? mmh, its posible, i have 10 :) |
| 15:01.28 | Thanatermesis | err... 14 |
| 15:01.43 | bluewater | yep.. i fired up xchat on th lpatop,, its going nuts tryong to find freenode |
| 15:02.07 | bluewater | Pentium 11 |
| 15:02.18 | Thanatermesis | trying freenode ? have condction ? |
| 15:02.21 | Thanatermesis | conection |
| 15:02.28 | bluewater | i will give you infobash one moment |
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| 15:07.21 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: hang on a sec |
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| 15:07.46 | bluewater | i have a loopback problem with my ADSL router,, and not sure why |
| 15:08.26 | Thanatermesis | loopback ? |
| 15:11.08 | bluewater | yes.. for some reason,, the irc channels are ok.. but it knocks out my browers attempt to get to internet..... it sends a loopback to the ADSL router,, and thing goes round in circles,, and not connect out.. IRC is ok,, hasnt happend for a while |
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| 15:15.27 | bluewater | Thanatermesis: are you in a hurry? that is .. i have to reset everyting here.. for some reason my ADSL router has knocked out my laptop, and my broweser connects on this box,, can you wait for 15 mins? |
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| 15:21.28 | goldstein | hole |
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| 15:21.40 | Enlighted | hip |
| 15:21.57 | Thanatermesis | hi all |
| 15:22.39 | Enlighted | 4[Thanatermesis4] helooo |
| 15:22.46 | Enlighted | ui, mierda |
| 15:22.57 | Thanatermesis | xDDD |
| 15:23.53 | Thanatermesis | te has delatado |
| 15:23.54 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.54 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.54 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.54 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:23.55 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 15:23.56 | Enlighted | es que en este ordenador no tengo linux puesto |
| 15:23.56 | Enlighted | 2x5D |
| 15:23.56 | Enlighted | aun |
| 15:24.30 | Thanatermesis | no si ya... xD |
| 15:24.40 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis ya sta |
| 15:24.44 | Enlighted | ala |
| 15:25.49 | Elive_user | is bluewater.. |
| 15:26.30 | Thanatermesis | ,, can you wait for 15 mins? |
| 15:26.32 | Thanatermesis | yes :) |
| 15:27.13 | Elive_user | yes i can |
| 15:29.44 | Thanatermesis | apt sings Enlighted |
| 15:29.53 | Thanatermesis | apt sing Enlighted |
| 15:30.28 | Thanatermesis | !sings Enlighted |
| 15:31.22 | Enlighted | :O |
| 15:31.26 | Enlighted | what song? |
| 15:31.31 | Enlighted | :D |
| 15:34.40 | Elive_user | brb |
| 15:36.04 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted bah, nada xD |
| 15:36.07 | Thanatermesis | apt sing penix |
| 15:36.08 | apt | Penix, Penix, Penix the bush kangarooooo... Penix, Penix, Penix does smell toooo.... |
| 15:36.36 | Thanatermesis | apt sing g4lt |
| 15:44.16 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis |
| 15:44.33 | Enlighted | has sincronizado los paquetes de la distro con debian etch? |
| 15:45.34 | Thanatermesis | si |
| 15:45.36 | Thanatermesis | siempre a estado asi |
| 15:45.45 | Enlighted | am, no lo sabia |
| 15:45.46 | Enlighted | 2x5D |
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| 15:47.18 | bluewater1000 | K I am back bugger me ,, that tok some doing |
| 15:47.39 | Enlighted | ? |
| 15:48.22 | bluewater1000 | Thanaterasis: where were we???????????????????? |
| 15:48.47 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis te follaria mil trillones de veces si elpanel tuviera algo para configurar facilmente una red wifi |
| 15:48.56 | bluewater1000 | Thanatermasis: soory,, where were we? |
| 15:49.05 | Enlighted | WEP/WPA (recalco WPA(-PSK)) incluido |
| 15:49.30 | Thanatermesis | xD |
| 15:49.35 | bluewater1000 | he gas one to config, madwifi? |
| 15:49.43 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted pues buscame programas/informacion sobre eso y puede que lo ponga ;) |
| 15:50.30 | Enlighted | what is madwifi? |
| 15:51.11 | bluewater1000 | mad wifi. is a wifi, config for wireless netcard,, i thin |
| 15:51.24 | Thanatermesis | a driver, for conceptronic c54c for example :) |
| 15:51.38 | bluewater1000 | yep |
| 15:53.01 | Enlighted | joder |
| 15:53.03 | bluewater1000 | kelmo.. on kanotyix,, has a great scropit for it,, and a fab little scrpt to have an icn showing in the taskbar/kicker. to sho if you are conneced to a lan or internet |
| 15:53.11 | Enlighted | la mitad de las putas webs de internet no me funcionan |
| 15:53.14 | Enlighted | vaya dia ¬¬ |
| 15:53.53 | bluewater1000 | my typing is so bad, sorry,, its 0200hrs here |
| 15:54.10 | Enlighted | no |
| 15:54.12 | Enlighted | no drivers |
| 15:54.17 | Enlighted | I mean configurators |
| 15:54.33 | Enlighted | digo para configurar la maldita tarjeta |
| 15:55.01 | Enlighted | como un front-end para iwconfig, pero con soporte dhcp y WPA |
| 15:57.25 | bluewater1000 | Thanatermesis: can you please retype the cmd linesyou wanted me to test for example 'hdparm /dev/hda/ I grep dma' is tha correct? |
| 15:57.40 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted por eso digo... buscame un buen programa para eso y quizas lo incluya en elpanel ;) usa apt-cache search o www.freshmeat.net ;) |
| 15:57.54 | Thanatermesis | hdparm /dev/hda | grep dma |
| 15:58.07 | Thanatermesis | '--==(/var/www)==--> hdparm /dev/hda | grep dma |
| 15:58.07 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.37 | bluewater1000 | -bash: hdparm: command not found |
| 15:58.54 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis te estoy buscando un buen wpa-supplicant |
| 15:59.00 | Enlighted | toi en ello 2x5D |
| 15:59.08 | Enlighted | client dhcp ya tienes, imagino |
| 15:59.20 | Enlighted | y lo demas es currarse un buen front-end que lo una todo |
| 15:59.25 | Enlighted | .......casi na 2x5D |
| 16:00.32 | Thanatermesis | si, automatico del liveCD el dhcp |
| 16:00.47 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted aunque... mmmh, pero si hay un programa para las wifi muy lindo |
| 16:00.49 | Thanatermesis | no lo has visto ? |
| 16:01.02 | Thanatermesis | tanto red normal como wifi |
| 16:01.15 | Enlighted | cual? |
| 16:01.15 | Thanatermesis | esta en Elive 0.3, es el configurador de red que lleva incluido |
| 16:01.21 | Thanatermesis | en el panel de control |
| 16:01.21 | Enlighted | 2x5D |
| 16:01.25 | Enlighted | soporta WPA? |
| 16:01.56 | Enlighted | sacame un screen a ver 2x5D |
| 16:02.19 | Thanatermesis | no puedo, solo se ve el entorno grafico si detecta una red wifi... y aqui no tengo |
| 16:02.24 | Thanatermesis | WPA ? pues no lo se.. |
| 16:02.57 | Enlighted | si no lo tienes ves planteandote incorporar esto... |
| 16:02.58 | Enlighted | matico del liveCD el dhcp |
| 16:02.58 | Enlighted | : Thanatermesis ¦ Enlighted aunque... mmmh, pero si hay un programa para las wifi muy lindo |
| 16:02.59 | Enlighted | : Thanatermesis ¦ no lo has visto ? |
| 16:02.59 | Enlighted | : Thanatermesis ¦ tanto red normal como wifi |
| 16:02.59 | Enlighted | ? ¦ cual? |
| 16:03.00 | Enlighted | : Thanatermesis ¦ esta en Elive 0.3, es el configurador de red que lleva incluido |
| 16:03.02 | Enlighted | ? ¦ xD |
| 16:03.04 | Enlighted | : Thanatermesis ¦ en el panel de control |
| 16:03.06 | Enlighted | ? ¦ soporta WPA? |
| 16:03.08 | Enlighted | joder |
| 16:03.12 | Enlighted | pq coño se ha copiado eso?? |
| 16:03.14 | Enlighted | XDD |
| 16:03.36 | Enlighted | 12http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 16:03.36 | Enlighted | eso |
| 16:03.36 | bluewater1000 | wow.. ike yhis E16.. you dont have to click to bring a window foarward |
| 16:03.37 | Enlighted | joe |
| 16:03.52 | Thanatermesis | bueno, mira si hay algun programa wapo.. sino sin WPA hay ese ;) |
| 16:03.56 | Enlighted | bluewater1000 this feature is in E17, too |
| 16:03.57 | bluewater1000 | please forgive ypos |
| 16:04.09 | bluewater1000 | typos |
| 16:04.13 | Thanatermesis | yes bluewater1000 , also for e17, but need configure |
| 16:04.20 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis eso añade soporte wpa.... :D |
| 16:05.04 | bluewater1000 | 16 will be fine,, the speed test you got e to do shocked a nmber of people,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, pretty funny really |
| 16:05.05 | Thanatermesis | es un programa o un driver Enlighted ¿? |
| 16:05.08 | Enlighted | lo que ahora haria falta es un gui majo para todo... |
| 16:05.10 | Enlighted | uhm |
| 16:05.18 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis sinceramente, ni idea 2x5D |
| 16:05.26 | Enlighted | creo k driver |
| 16:05.26 | Thanatermesis | yes, i use e16 bluewater1000 :) |
| 16:05.32 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted pues mal vamos :/ |
| 16:05.55 | Enlighted | ains |
| 16:05.59 | Enlighted | pq? |
| 16:06.01 | Enlighted | 2x5D |
| 16:07.53 | Enlighted | weno, imagino tb que podré pasar sin wpa...siempre que se use filtrado MAC |
| 16:08.00 | Enlighted | ademas, es mas seguro xP |
| 16:08.47 | bluewater1000 | i run kanotix on a destop Pentium 2.. its ok.. and the chanel is one of the best re help for all levels of competence. however this is the firs disro that has found my soun card without freezing up, on this old laptop,, i think all distros should teston this old computer LOL |
| 16:09.15 | Enlighted | bluewater1000 did u tested elive? :D |
| 16:09.40 | bluewater1000 | i am on eliveLIVECD riight now |
| 16:10.16 | bluewater1000 | mind you I DLed it 5 weeks ago.. |
| 16:10.23 | Enlighted | lol |
| 16:10.28 | Enlighted | and how it's going? |
| 16:10.42 | bluewater1000 | tody is te firs day |
| 16:10.52 | bluewater1000 | today* |
| 16:12.28 | bluewater1000 | Regarding having an icon in the taskbar/kicker,, i think its a good ting to hve an icon showing that one is connected.. |
| 16:13.00 | bluewater1000 | to the net,, |
| 16:21.29 | Enlighted | dios, mira que odio a los charlatanes.. |
| 16:21.45 | Enlighted | ..y a los charlatanes chulos, moñas, nenazas y descarados ni te cuento |
| 16:21.51 | Enlighted | ¬¬ |
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| 16:27.33 | bertthegreat | hi all ! |
| 16:27.39 | bertthegreat | Hola todos |
| 16:27.59 | Enlighted | nas |
| 16:28.15 | goldstein | hi |
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| 16:52.24 | bluewater1000 | <<<<<<is back |
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| 17:00.43 | Elive_user | medelin |
| 17:04.32 | bluewater1000 | Thanatermesis: youawake? |
| 17:04.45 | Thanatermesis | me awake |
| 17:04.50 | Thanatermesis | apt awake |
| 17:04.51 | apt | methinks caffeine is the nectar of the gods in concentrated form or the jiuce which runs through our veins |
| 17:05.05 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 17:05.47 | reliver | good evening all :-) |
| 17:06.13 | reliver | bluewater, nice name, but why 1000 ? :-) |
| 17:06.55 | bluewater1000 | umm, freenode was mucking around with my normal ID,, which is bluewater |
| 17:07.30 | bluewater1000 | bluewater refers to my sport.. amateur ocean racing |
| 17:07.48 | bluewater1000 | yatching |
| 17:07.50 | goldstein | oi reliver |
| 17:08.22 | bluewater1000 | sailing ala Brasil1 |
| 17:08.43 | reliver | oi goldstein :-) |
| 17:09.07 | reliver | oh, un otro brasilero agora :-) |
| 17:09.34 | reliver | or just refering to a movie, bluewater ? |
| 17:10.12 | goldstein | im not brasiliam reliver:/ |
| 17:10.20 | bluewater1000 | Brasil 1 , entered into Volvo Round the World,, first Brazil yacht to enter ,, ever |
| 17:11.16 | reliver | yes, goldstein is from portugal |
| 17:11.21 | bluewater1000 | bluewater refers to ocean racing,, kms/miles offshore |
| 17:11.35 | reliver | but why "1000" ? |
| 17:12.18 | bluewater1000 | freenode was mucking around with ID ,, so i picked a number LOL |
| 17:12.50 | reliver | not bad :-) |
| 17:13.00 | bluewater1000 | grins.. |
| 17:13.51 | reliver | so, thanatermesis, what are your plans regarding 0.4 ? |
| 17:14.03 | bluewater1000 | if you do a who is on me.. it may give you more insight.. .......(smiles) |
| 17:14.11 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, normally its for halloween release :) |
| 17:14.21 | Thanatermesis | but not is posible to define an exact date |
| 17:14.38 | Thanatermesis | needs a lot of parts and modifications, elemets for include... |
| 17:14.41 | Thanatermesis | very work |
| 17:14.49 | Thanatermesis | very difficult to release for halloween |
| 17:15.08 | bluewater1000 | halloweenn,, thank god,, its not big here |
| 17:15.09 | reliver | i am not speaking about a date. |
| 17:15.10 | Thanatermesis | its only "a date for work faster" :) |
| 17:15.35 | reliver | i would like to know what you work at for it, what are your aims for it. |
| 17:15.37 | Thanatermesis | http://elivecd.org <-- pr0t0cod7 has modified the logo of the "halloween" more nice :) |
| 17:16.45 | Thanatermesis | what works and changes need to make for the 0.4 release ? a lot... hehe, but not exist a document actually with this, posible in the future looking the tickets in TRAC, or simple read the "changelog" in the main page of Elive with all changes for the day of the release |
| 17:17.07 | reliver | not more nice, logo, less nice now, thanatermesis :-) |
| 17:17.40 | bluewater1000 | Tthann,, seriously,, a really nice touch is an icon showing connectivity to the net,, |
| 17:19.01 | reliver | you want to release a 0.4 alpha just for club members to test, a few days before 0.4.1 is released to the public ? |
| 17:19.23 | reliver | sure, bluewater, could you do that ? |
| 17:19.24 | Thanatermesis | conectivity to the net ? |
| 17:19.34 | Thanatermesis | similar to "adesklets" ? |
| 17:20.50 | Thanatermesis | of course a "pre" version is released before the oficial version.... but more users try this, better for release a "oficial" version more stable and better :) |
| 17:21.05 | bluewater1000 | no i cant,, however i know the person who can |
| 17:22.10 | bluewater1000 | what happens is a small icon appears in the taskbar,, if you are connected to net orlan.. if no icn,, you are not connected |
| 17:23.07 | Thanatermesis | sinplomo has made a "adesklet" with this very nice |
| 17:23.19 | Thanatermesis | but the implementation in the taskbar its really hard |
| 17:23.51 | reliver | well, this was your idea, thanatermesis, with the club member prerelease, you remember ? |
| 17:24.23 | reliver | the taskbar is too hard to work with anyway ... |
| 17:24.50 | Thanatermesis | yes, the anounce in elivecd.org like points to the club page, but... all users can posible to try it or only the members ? |
| 17:25.14 | reliver | i think any software testing should be done in stages. |
| 17:25.26 | reliver | first only by a few, then by the masses. |
| 17:25.32 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es i think any software testing should be done in stages. |
| 17:25.37 | reliver | all successful projects do it this way. |
| 17:25.48 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 17:25.52 | bluewater1000 | um , well in a kde format its working,, and this box runs kde desktop,, my laptop,, as you know is e16 elive live cd.. (at the min)...... the person who wrote it,, wouldnt mind helping,, may i ask him to talk with you? |
| 17:25.52 | reliver | yes :-) |
| 17:26.26 | Thanatermesis | yes, in any case, if a "friend" like to try the pre-release, its ok, and the "newbees" not is good to download it |
| 17:26.46 | bluewater1000 | which one of you re net icon in the taskbar.. LOL |
| 17:26.48 | reliver | yes. |
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| 17:27.15 | Thanatermesis | reliver another problem... in what server is located this "pre" version for download ? |
| 17:27.28 | reliver | bluewater, great that you know someone who could help with Elive :-) |
| 17:27.40 | reliver | with shadoi :-) |
| 17:28.23 | Thanatermesis | not exactly reliver , the site is from shadoi ... but a ISO is a really big bandwitch load.. |
| 17:28.42 | Thanatermesis | because this exist the mirrors :) |
| 17:28.43 | reliver | thanatermesis, escucha por favor. |
| 17:28.58 | bluewater1000 | i can only ask him,, he is a linix man,, and is credentialed.. via another distro,,,,,,,,,, however,, i think under GPL.. he will be only too happy |
| 17:29.06 | reliver | no tenemos mas problemos de limites de bandwidth con el nuevo server, entiendes :-) |
| 17:29.28 | Thanatermesis | bueno, pues preguntemosle a shadoi entonces... |
| 17:30.03 | reliver | eso es nuestro server commun, thanatermesis. |
| 17:30.17 | reliver | el lo prepara para nos usar sin preguntar :-) |
| 17:30.23 | bluewater1000 | you need more mirrors,, more than than that you need somr serious PR from distrowatck and linux today |
| 17:31.04 | reliver | mirrors, bluewater, yes. |
| 17:31.09 | reliver | do you know one ? |
| 17:31.36 | bluewater1000 | i wish |
| 17:32.52 | reliver | i think we should launch 0.4.1 12 hours before public release to the club members to start a good bittorrent base. |
| 17:34.10 | bluewater1000 | i looked at your forum,, i have to tell you i was not feeling hopeful when i iso the cd, and fired it up |
| 17:34.33 | goldstein | reliver, how many club members are already? |
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| 17:35.16 | reliver | la unica limitacion del nuevo seridor es que so lo usamos para downloads de los miembros del club, thanatermesis, |
| 17:35.34 | reliver | porque un servidor es limitado en oque puede servir en un so momento, |
| 17:35.54 | reliver | y lo queremos tener siempre bien acessible y rapido, concordas ? |
| 17:36.12 | reliver | 20 only, goldstein. |
| 17:36.33 | bluewater1000 | 20?????????????// man we have some work to do |
| 17:36.37 | Thanatermesis | si, exacto |
| 17:36.57 | Thanatermesis | reliver mmmh, conoces los "limites" mensuales y velocidades limite del nuevo server ? |
| 17:36.59 | St- | hello |
| 17:37.02 | Thanatermesis | hi St- |
| 17:37.05 | reliver | yes, bluewater, most don't want to spend those 10 euro ... |
| 17:37.22 | goldstein | :/..ill probably be a member next month |
| 17:37.37 | goldstein | i´m poor as hell.. |
| 17:37.43 | bluewater1000 | i DLed in sept.............. just happt i did |
| 17:37.48 | bluewater1000 | happy |
| 17:38.39 | bluewater1000 | set up a paypal account.. then get some PR happening |
| 17:39.11 | reliver | velocidad limite shadoi dice que son 1 gigabit/s. |
| 17:39.30 | bluewater1000 | get revieias done by distros watchh they love new and improved |
| 17:39.42 | reliver | goldstein, you are one of less then 5 who actually help with the club :-) |
| 17:39.48 | bluewater1000 | reviews |
| 17:39.59 | reliver | you do not need to pay anything if you work for it :-) |
| 17:40.18 | goldstein | cool. will you pay me then? |
| 17:40.21 | goldstein | lol, joking |
| 17:40.25 | bluewater1000 | lol |
| 17:41.06 | bluewater1000 | reliver: the mirror is i gig? |
| 17:42.07 | reliver | as soon as you start coding, goldstein :-) |
| 17:42.28 | reliver | the new Elive Club server, bluewater, yes. |
| 17:43.08 | bluewater1000 | hhhhhhmmmmm |
| 17:43.33 | goldstein | hum.. i wish i could code, yes. but i know little about almost everything. |
| 17:44.51 | bluewater1000 | as i see it,, the kernel is fine,, you put up OO which is a MS killer,,(they are so scared now,, they cannot pee straight) oo is ODF/xml.. you cannot lose |
| 17:46.01 | reliver | bluewater, currently Elive is hard do use for simple users. |
| 17:46.14 | bluewater1000 | it all boils down to desktop choice.. kde,,gnome.. xfce..e.. flux.. .. war of the desktops |
| 17:46.29 | reliver | i don't know if we should make big propaganda for it as long as it is a geek distro :-) |
| 17:46.30 | bluewater1000 | hard?????????????????/ how? |
| 17:46.37 | reliver | yes. |
| 17:46.48 | bluewater1000 | hard? how?/ |
| 17:46.56 | reliver | are you using it with kde, bluewater ? |
| 17:47.33 | reliver | bluewater, you would like to join the club ? |
| 17:47.43 | goldstein | bluewater, for a distro to be nice for a simple/novice user it should have something like de mandriva control center |
| 17:47.51 | bluewater1000 | nope,, elive on lappy that cant use DMA and e16.... this box is knontix,, kde |
| 17:48.41 | goldstein | also, e1* is not the best wm for begginers, i think. |
| 17:48.58 | reliver | goldstein, yes, which is coming with elpanel |
| 17:49.04 | goldstein | i know:) |
| 17:49.21 | reliver | but the other two important parts that don't work for simple users now in Elive are: |
| 17:49.30 | reliver | the file manager and the taskbar. |
| 17:50.18 | goldstein | yes..a good file manager would be nice. |
| 17:50.45 | bluewater1000 | well my first thoughts,, when the task bar icons came at me,, i thought wtf!!!!!!!! then i got used to it....... and needed to get sound up,, so su,, alsaconf |
| 17:50.52 | goldstein | about the taskbar, it doesnt really bother me. all i want is a tray for apps like amule or gaim |
| 17:50.53 | reliver | not "would be nice" ?:-) is absolutely essential for the masses :-) |
| 17:51.17 | bluewater1000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.42 | goldstein | yes, but there is xfe, and even evidence (which doesnt do very much but its cute) |
| 17:51.43 | goldstein | lol |
| 17:52.01 | reliver | yes, evidence is dead. |
| 17:52.10 | goldstein | unfortunatly |
| 17:52.40 | goldstein | what about that absolutely useless geekfilemanager?lol |
| 17:52.45 | reliver | and xfe is a pain to use. |
| 17:53.35 | bluewater1000 | i guess it boils down to prefferences and education,, re evidence,, i did want to know,, what is it,, i think people prefer HOME.. makes more sense to get their data files |
| 17:54.11 | bluewater1000 | as oppoosed to system. app files |
| 17:57.17 | bluewater1000 | its 0400 here,, i miust go to bed |
| 17:57.50 | bluewater1000 | may i come back in say 8 hours? |
| 17:57.56 | goldstein | where are you from? |
| 17:58.11 | bluewater1000 | Australia |
| 17:58.34 | goldstein | 8 hours from now will be 0200 here |
| 17:58.37 | bluewater1000 | you? |
| 17:58.48 | goldstein | lol, probably be here though.. |
| 17:58.49 | goldstein | portugal! |
| 17:59.07 | Thanatermesis | Elive don't have a taskbar |
| 17:59.12 | *** join/#elive Enlighted (n=knoppix@62-15-76-250.inversas.jazztel.es) |
| 17:59.14 | Enlighted | nass |
| 17:59.26 | Thanatermesis | and don't need this |
| 17:59.37 | shadoi | Thanatermesis: http://edevelop.org/node/1659 |
| 17:59.38 | Thanatermesis | the taskbar is for dificult the life of the persons.... |
| 17:59.41 | bluewater1000 | wonderful.. i want to go to the azores,, been to th canerias,, (spain i know) gri |
| 18:00.05 | goldstein | :) |
| 18:00.06 | Thanatermesis | a taskbar, a control menu, a list of menus aplications, a lot of icons, a lot of strange icons/buttons... this is widnows |
| 18:00.13 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, :D_ |
| 18:00.18 | Thanatermesis | Elive is more clean, don't need all this "bugs" |
| 18:00.27 | goldstein | i agree thana |
| 18:00.29 | Thanatermesis | exist another ways to easy the life of the persons |
| 18:00.50 | Thanatermesis | COPY the windows system is a bad think, bad idea, NO NEED to have the same look, and the same way to work |
| 18:01.04 | Thanatermesis | the problem is the persons, are "habitued" to use day to day the same interface |
| 18:01.06 | Enlighted | tais hablando del (mala)Vista? |
| 18:01.09 | Enlighted | XD |
| 18:01.19 | goldstein | not yet enlighted |
| 18:01.22 | Thanatermesis | but windows not is easy, very persons can posible to manage windows minimum correctly |
| 18:01.41 | Thanatermesis | for example the person of living in up of my apartement... |
| 18:01.43 | goldstein | windows is hell. |
| 18:02.09 | goldstein | it frustrating, confusing. i never can do anything fast on windows |
| 18:02.12 | pr0t0cod7 | Thanatermesis: damn - i didn't see the typo error "Enlightment" instead of "Enlightenment".. :( |
| 18:02.22 | Thanatermesis | its TOTALLY NULL person in computers, don't understand ANY, cant posible to open the Explorer in windows... this persons needs 6 months for "understand the MSN Messenger" |
| 18:02.47 | Thanatermesis | but i have installed on Elive, (like to have stupid antivirus for go to internet..), and this persons works in Elive |
| 18:02.49 | bluewater1000 | ok change taskbar to the kicker.. name it whatever,, its a way to bring up most used apps,, with an eye blink an not hink about it,,,,, is that whu not firefox, and terminal sitting right at you,, ( said very kindly) |
| 18:03.16 | Thanatermesis | Elive is a clean interface, not have a lot of "stupid words, icons etc...", only the essential but all you need |
| 18:03.27 | bluewater1000 | LOL re 6 months re MSN,, is she hot though ;; grin |
| 18:03.31 | Thanatermesis | this person can know launch firefox, amsn, and logout to elive... its easy |
| 18:03.36 | Thanatermesis | its only a exmaple |
| 18:03.47 | goldstein | and what was the idea of putting the Power Off button at the Start Menu?? that just doesnt make sense! |
| 18:03.58 | bluewater1000 | LOL |
| 18:04.30 | Thanatermesis | goldstein why do you need this ? only logout of the interface, and click in the BIG power button in entrance :) |
| 18:04.49 | pr0t0cod7 | lol |
| 18:04.55 | goldstein | better: just type halt at the nearest open eterm |
| 18:05.00 | goldstein | *opened |
| 18:05.01 | Thanatermesis | http://thana.no-ip.org/shots/elive-entrance1.jpg |
| 18:05.07 | bluewater1000 | as i said,, its a matter of education and use,, its easy for me to get what i want ,, |
| 18:05.16 | Thanatermesis | its hard to understand how to turn off the computer? :) |
| 18:05.43 | pr0t0cod7 | Thanatermesis: ---> ¡ http://edevelop.org/node/1659 ! <--- |
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| 18:05.52 | bluewater1000 | on this old lappy i just pull the plug LOL |
| 18:05.55 | Thanatermesis | i repeat... why copy windows ? windows is complete... ONLY this... but this is not == to easy |
| 18:06.02 | Thanatermesis | yes pr0t0cod7 , sorry, one momment |
| 18:06.15 | Thanatermesis | macosX for example is a lot of more easy than windows |
| 18:06.38 | pr0t0cod7 | it only needs to be intuitive |
| 18:06.43 | pr0t0cod7 | no matter how |
| 18:07.09 | pr0t0cod7 | thats our job to think about it |
| 18:07.17 | pr0t0cod7 | and make elive easy |
| 18:07.34 | goldstein | never used macOX, but from seeing others i can tell it is easyer..damn, they have only one button on theyr mouses |
| 18:07.36 | goldstein | mice |
| 18:07.37 | goldstein | lol |
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| 18:08.39 | goldstein | well, about intuitiveness, now im learning as400.. |
| 18:08.46 | pr0t0cod7 | xD |
| 18:08.56 | pr0t0cod7 | as400 is a pain |
| 18:08.58 | Elive_user2 | acabo de instalar elive |
| 18:09.03 | Elive_user2 | no soy muy ducho |
| 18:09.12 | goldstein | those commands are not cool. |
| 18:09.14 | Elive_user2 | como puedo configurar mi centrino |
| 18:09.17 | goldstein | ola Elive_user2 |
| 18:09.55 | Elive_user2 | hola goldstein |
| 18:10.05 | Elive_user2 | el driver el el iw220 bg |
| 18:10.16 | Elive_user2 | y creanme estoy frito |
| 18:10.21 | bluewater1000 | be back in 8+ hours .. its now 0410 BBFN and i am hapy that i DLed ELIVE |
| 18:10.37 | pr0t0cod7 | you don't even need a mouse with as400 =) |
| 18:10.47 | goldstein | i cant help you about centrino..never used one..:/ |
| 18:10.50 | pr0t0cod7 | Thanatermesis: tu as vu? |
| 18:11.08 | Elive_user2 | lei algo acerca del elive-compile kernel |
| 18:11.11 | goldstein | cool bluewater1000 |
| 18:11.12 | Elive_user2 | pero |
| 18:11.12 | pr0t0cod7 | Thanatermesis: erreur sur ton texte :/ |
| 18:11.14 | Elive_user2 | ..... |
| 18:11.16 | goldstein | sleep tight |
| 18:11.18 | *** part/#elive bluewater1000 (n=Nautics@121.cust11.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) |
| 18:14.36 | Thanatermesis | lol pr0t0cod7 shadoi ... yep, its true... but i don't have this fonts, mmmmh, need cornelius[cz] for this |
| 18:14.50 | Elive_user2 | nadie me puede ayudar? |
| 18:14.58 | Elive_user2 | ubintu lo cargo automatico |
| 18:15.10 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user2 wifi ? |
| 18:15.31 | Elive_user2 | el driver el el iw220 bg con un centrino |
| 18:16.42 | Elive_user2 | como hago con mi wifi? |
| 18:17.52 | Elive_user2 | please |
| 18:18.18 | goldstein | is it a windows driver? |
| 18:21.22 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user2 deberas compilar el driver, porque no buscas su fuente y pruebas de compilarlo ? |
| 18:21.28 | Thanatermesis | tienes instalada Elive al disco duro ? |
| 18:22.05 | Elive_user2 | sip |
| 18:22.31 | Elive_user2 | elive-kernel-compile + driver? |
| 18:23.22 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user2 apt-get install elive-kernel-compile, busca el codigo fuente del ipw2200 en internet y compilalo, lee el readme si hace falta... si funciona, luego miramos como configurarlo, y si quieres que lo incluya por defecto para las proximas releases, mandame el modulo |
| 18:23.53 | Elive_user2 | ok |
| 18:24.42 | *** join/#elive silentpyjamas (n=silentpt@ip70-180-140-134.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 18:24.53 | silentpyjamas | okay guys. i tried this elive. it wouldn't boot |
| 18:25.05 | silentpyjamas | it kept saying it was about to boot and this little box would fill up |
| 18:25.13 | silentpyjamas | then it would just ask me repeatedly what language i wanted to boot in |
| 18:25.23 | silentpyjamas | so, i'm gonna say, my experiment with elive failed |
| 18:25.37 | Thanatermesis | what language you want ? o_O |
| 18:25.43 | silentpyjamas | well, english |
| 18:25.46 | silentpyjamas | i hit enter like it said |
| 18:25.52 | silentpyjamas | then it just kept returning to that screen |
| 18:25.52 | Thanatermesis | aha |
| 18:25.56 | silentpyjamas | the little box would fill up |
| 18:25.58 | silentpyjamas | and then |
| 18:26.03 | silentpyjamas | it would go to that screen again |
| 18:26.04 | Thanatermesis | O_o |
| 18:26.14 | Thanatermesis | you have verified the ISO ? |
| 18:26.19 | Thanatermesis | err... MD5 |
| 18:26.21 | silentpyjamas | verified it how? |
| 18:26.23 | silentpyjamas | md5? |
| 18:26.25 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 18:26.38 | silentpyjamas | i don't even know what that is |
| 18:26.40 | silentpyjamas | :-/ |
| 18:26.43 | Thanatermesis | look in the downloads section of the main page for this: http://elivecd.org |
| 18:27.39 | silentpyjamas | where do itype this thing in? |
| 18:29.39 | Thanatermesis | silentpyjamas you are in linux ? |
| 18:29.56 | silentpyjamas | no |
| 18:30.08 | goldstein | hello silent |
| 18:30.12 | silentpyjamas | hi goldstein |
| 18:30.58 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, yo ahora si |
| 18:30.59 | Enlighted | XD |
| 18:31.26 | goldstein | check out the md5..also, see if you are not hiting enter to the languages menu always! |
| 18:31.31 | pr0t0cod7 | silentpyjamas: windows? |
| 18:31.39 | goldstein | (hey, it happens sometimes:p) |
| 18:31.40 | Thanatermesis | silentpyjamas install "qemu" in windows and launch with it, the ISO |
| 18:31.43 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, por cierto, cual era la oferta que me ofreciste para saber la fecha de salida del proximo elive? :D estoy pensando en pagarla... |
| 18:31.49 | Enlighted | :__ |
| 18:32.01 | silentpyjamas | qemu? |
| 18:32.04 | Enlighted | la kiero yaaaaa |
| 18:32.37 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted hombre, para halloween, pero todo depende de lo que suceda mientras tanto y todos los "problemas" que surjan... SIEMPRE hay algo que retrasa el trabajo |
| 18:32.46 | Thanatermesis | jejej |
| 18:32.54 | Enlighted | halloween cuando es? |
| 18:32.57 | Enlighted | XD |
| 18:33.10 | pr0t0cod7 | silentpyjamas: you can check the md5 checksum (file integrity) with fastsum, http://www.fastsum.com/, the MD5 should be the same as the elive download page |
| 18:33.51 | Thanatermesis | finales de mes Enlighted :) |
| 18:34.12 | Enlighted | woop |
| 18:34.24 | Enlighted | mola xD |
| 18:34.40 | Enlighted | usea, dentro de una semanita, o asi? |
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| 18:35.26 | pr0t0cod7 | silentpyjamas: sorry use this instead http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/136294-FRAD/FileCheckMD5.zip, fastsum is not free |
| 18:35.51 | Elive_user3 | can anyone help with a problem I have with my elive install? |
| 18:36.19 | Enlighted | what problem? |
| 18:36.55 | Elive_user3 | After a hdinstall I get a kernel panic. |
| 18:37.05 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted ufff, una semanita... que dificil lo veo xD |
| 18:37.17 | Elive_user3 | Unable to mount root fs on unknow block |
| 18:37.31 | silentpyjamas | uh. am i scanning my hd or this cd? |
| 18:37.53 | Elive_user3 | hard drive |
| 18:38.19 | Elive_user2 | yo quisiera que el video de ibm me cargara automaticamente los subtitulos |
| 18:38.51 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user3 posible the hard disk not is good parted |
| 18:38.58 | Thanatermesis | try with "gparted" again |
| 18:38.59 | Elive_user2 | en un archivo de texto plano |
| 18:38.59 | Elive_user2 | .srt |
| 18:38.59 | Elive_user2 | me lo hace desde el mplayer |
| 18:38.59 | Elive_user2 | pero seria mejor automatico |
| 18:39.41 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user2 solo debes cambiar el ejecutable del video, y añadirle eso al comando ;) |
| 18:40.08 | Thanatermesis | /usr/bin/multi-videos Elive_user2 |
| 18:40.11 | Elive_user3 | I used ext3 before with the command line partitioner |
| 18:40.33 | Elive_user3 | Must I use qparted? |
| 18:42.05 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, pos si k voy a tardar en tener un SO instalado en el disco duro, si... |
| 18:42.06 | Thanatermesis | its posible to the hard disk not is partitioned good |
| 18:42.12 | Enlighted | pq quiero poner elive XD |
| 18:42.16 | Thanatermesis | try "fdisk /dev/hda" and look if show any error |
| 18:42.31 | Enlighted | pero no el 0.3, pq al actualizarlo me salta luego con 7000 errores |
| 18:42.31 | Elive_user3 | ok. Thanks. |
| 18:43.21 | pr0t0cod7 | silentpyjamas: you need to scan the iso you downloaded |
| 18:43.52 | silentpyjamas | well i can't really do anything now. the program is kind of hung up and i have to wait until i can bring it up |
| 18:44.15 | pr0t0cod7 | ok :/ |
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| 18:44.39 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted por eso hay que sacar 0.4 :) |
| 18:45.20 | Enlighted | pozi XD |
| 18:45.33 | Enlighted | para la 1.0 habrá kernel nuevo? XD |
| 18:46.28 | Thanatermesis | xD |
| 18:46.35 | Thanatermesis | nose, quizas para 0.5 |
| 18:47.16 | Enlighted | aprovecha que te da tiempo, y pillas el 2.6.14 cuando salga |
| 18:47.23 | Enlighted | que aun van por la RC4 |
| 18:47.25 | Enlighted | :D |
| 18:47.33 | Enlighted | el final, digo |
| 18:47.58 | Thanatermesis | todo depende de que compile unionfs ;) |
| 18:48.24 | Enlighted | yo creo que el ultimo snapshot de unionfs que salga lo hara |
| 18:48.25 | *** part/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@83.31.110.44) |
| 18:48.33 | Enlighted | han solucionado muchos bugs ultimamente |
| 18:48.42 | Enlighted | incluso el creador de knoppix lo dice |
| 18:48.44 | Enlighted | XD |
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| 18:52.11 | Thanatermesis | hombre... lo hara, pero ese dia habra otro kernel mas nuevo y no copilara... y siempre sera asi xD |
| 18:53.12 | Thanatermesis | pero torturas satanicas... ? a mi nadie me a echo eso |
| 18:53.14 | Enlighted | no, hombre |
| 18:53.31 | Enlighted | quedate con el 2.6.14, que ya esta bien |
| 18:53.41 | Enlighted | mira que un snapshot compile con ese kernel y ya ta |
| 18:53.47 | *** join/#elive dererk (n=dererk@unaffiliated/dererk) |
| 18:53.48 | Thanatermesis | y porque 2.6.14 estaria mejor que 2.6.12 ? |
| 18:53.55 | dererk | Buenas |
| 18:53.56 | dererk | :D |
| 18:53.57 | Enlighted | saltas de la 12 a la 14, no hace falta mas |
| 18:53.58 | dererk | Como va? |
| 18:54.09 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, + features - bugs |
| 18:54.16 | Thanatermesis | bueno... eso siempre :) |
| 18:54.18 | Enlighted | o eso se suele intentar con cada salida del kernel |
| 18:54.20 | Thanatermesis | buenas dererk |
| 18:54.20 | Enlighted | XD |
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| 18:54.36 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Como va todo? |
| 18:54.41 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Ahhh |
| 18:54.42 | dererk | Por cierto |
| 18:54.42 | Thanatermesis | bien, tirando :) |
| 18:54.58 | dererk | Consegui un auspiciante que me pague las copias de cd :D |
| 18:55.10 | Elive_user3 | Gracia para todo! Caio! |
| 18:55.14 | Elive_user2 | ya descargue el fuente |
| 18:55.31 | Elive_user2 | y descage el elive-compile-kernel |
| 18:56.00 | Thanatermesis | perfecto dererk :) |
| 18:56.47 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Si, pronto empezare a distribuir cds para que me los copien a Elive |
| 18:57.05 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Y para la proxima reunion ire bieeen cargado :D |
| 18:57.10 | Thanatermesis | bueno dererk ... veremos que tal queda la 0.4 y para cuando es :) |
| 18:57.13 | dererk | (cargado de cds I mean :D ) |
| 18:57.26 | dererk | Thanatermesis, En verdad no hay fecha |
| 18:57.53 | Enlighted | ya podrias poner una "a-lo-OpenBSD" |
| 18:57.59 | Enlighted | xD |
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| 19:00.43 | silentpyjamas | uh |
| 19:00.47 | silentpyjamas | it says there are no |
| 19:00.51 | silentpyjamas | check sums on the cd |
| 19:01.18 | dererk | Bueno |
| 19:01.26 | dererk | Me despido, luego nos vemos |
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| 19:02.34 | Elive_user | Hallo |
| 19:02.34 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted ? o_O |
| 19:02.43 | Elive_user | yes |
| 19:03.06 | *** part/#elive dererk (n=dererk@unaffiliated/dererk) |
| 19:05.40 | Thanatermesis | yes... xD |
| 19:05.48 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted hablaba contigo, no con el |
| 19:06.33 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, si, que dan una fecha de salida concreta, y nunca fallan |
| 19:06.34 | Enlighted | XD |
| 19:06.57 | silentpyjamas | so uhh |
| 19:07.07 | silentpyjamas | what's it mean when there aren't any check sums |
| 19:12.58 | Elive_user2 | cd .. |
| 19:13.32 | silentpyjamas | well |
| 19:13.38 | silentpyjamas | thanks for all you guys' help |
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| 19:14.12 | silentpyjamas | sorry i couldn't get it working but i will still recommend it to my friends :) |
| 19:14.42 | *** part/#elive silentpyjamas (n=silentpt@ip70-180-140-134.lv.lv.cox.net) |
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| 19:22.16 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, |
| 19:22.26 | Enlighted | sabes donde hay algun manual basico de E17 en spanish? |
| 19:23.42 | Thanatermesis | get-e.org :) |
| 19:25.43 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, hay algun repositorio de E17 compilado para amd64? |
| 19:25.56 | Enlighted | o se puede compilar para tener ese soporte? y con que flag? |
| 19:38.16 | rookmoot | destribution you use ? |
| 19:44.40 | Thanatermesis | si Enlighted :) |
| 19:45.22 | Thanatermesis | en el antiguo repo de http://livecd.debianitas.net/repository/ , pero mira la fecha (numero de version), son un poco viejos |
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| 20:03.12 | dats | hola |
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| 20:33.34 | eManu | Hi !!, hola a todos |
| 20:34.08 | Thanatermesis | hola eManu |
| 20:34.41 | eManu | hola Thanatermesis |
| 20:44.10 | Enlighted | :D |
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| 20:48.26 | roxville | good evening gentlemen! |
| 20:48.40 | Enlighted | good night here |
| 20:48.50 | Enlighted | it's 22:50 PM |
| 20:49.07 | roxville | still evening till you go to bed |
| 20:49.33 | roxville | :) |
| 20:49.45 | roxville | ok, good night night |
| 20:50.11 | roxville | lol |
| 20:50.30 | roxville | see? looks weird, doesn't it? |
| 20:50.55 | roxville | buona sera |
| 20:51.02 | roxville | bon soir |
| 20:51.34 | roxville | aaannnyyywwaaayyy |
| 20:51.50 | Enlighted | o_O |
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| 20:58.03 | roxville | ok, i had to look it up, and in spanish it's ok to say buenas noches as a greeting |
| 20:58.17 | roxville | in english it's a goodbye-word |
| 20:58.35 | roxville | when you go to bed |
| 20:58.43 | roxville | so, now we know :) |
| 21:00.24 | Enlighted | buenas noches es buenas noches |
| 21:00.48 | Enlighted | it's used to desire a good night, even if you aren't going to bed |
| 21:01.12 | roxville | yes, that's what i said! lol |
| 21:01.41 | roxville | it's buenas tardes until about 20:00 |
| 21:02.07 | Enlighted | well |
| 21:02.10 | Enlighted | till 21:00 |
| 21:02.12 | Enlighted | ;) |
| 21:02.23 | roxville | but in english, good night means you're going to bed. until then, it's good evening |
| 21:02.52 | roxville | ahh , the language barrier... |
| 21:02.57 | Enlighted | amm |
| 21:02.59 | Enlighted | lol |
| 21:03.38 | roxville | but... you CAN say: it was a good night! |
| 21:04.02 | roxville | and mean the time before you went to bed |
| 21:04.18 | roxville | oh well, fuck it |
| 21:05.38 | roxville | ok till 21:00... i'm reading from the internet here... not always as accurate as you'd think :) |
| 21:06.33 | roxville | actually, in catalunya, it's till 21:00. but in andalucia it's untill 20:00 |
| 21:06.38 | roxville | ok, just kidding! |
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| 21:07.48 | Enlighted | roxville, where are u from? |
| 21:08.11 | roxville | i am from the same timezone as you |
| 21:08.19 | Enlighted | country? :D |
| 21:08.21 | roxville | slightly north though... sweden |
| 21:08.26 | Enlighted | amm |
| 21:08.30 | Enlighted | :D |
| 21:08.39 | Enlighted | im from spain |
| 21:08.43 | Enlighted | cold and warm lol |
| 21:08.45 | roxville | but i live in charleston, south carolina, on the east coast of the usa |
| 21:09.14 | roxville | warm as hell this summer |
| 21:10.19 | roxville | here by the coast, it's so humid that 35C is terrible |
| 21:11.00 | roxville | and this summer, for the first time (since they started measuring), we hit 40C |
| 21:11.39 | roxville | where in spain are you? |
| 21:11.50 | Enlighted | Barcelona |
| 21:11.52 | Enlighted | :D |
| 21:12.06 | roxville | catalunya... it's nice |
| 21:12.23 | Enlighted | well.. |
| 21:12.30 | Enlighted | I prefer Asturias or Galicia |
| 21:12.43 | Enlighted | green valleys roolz :D |
| 21:12.57 | roxville | i was there briefly, but we went up north, to a tiny little town right ON the border to france |
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| 21:13.46 | Enlighted | uhm |
| 21:13.55 | Enlighted | its cool, too |
| 21:14.11 | Enlighted | the "provenzal" zone of France |
| 21:14.20 | roxville | half the town was in spain, the other half in france |
| 21:14.38 | Enlighted | lol |
| 21:22.30 | roxville | i wish we had a script for those ppl: "Hello Elive_user, We know you want to close this as soon as possible, but please don't!" |
| 21:22.59 | roxville | "because we are here to HELP you!!!" |
| 21:23.19 | roxville | hmmm thana had that for a while... |
| 21:23.36 | roxville | got to be too much for him, i guess |
| 21:37.21 | roxville | Thanatermesis, we have to find other icons... i don't think there's enough of the edge icons to make elpanel look good |
| 21:37.29 | roxville | and they would not make sense |
| 21:38.32 | reliver | roxville, hello :-) |
| 21:38.40 | Thanatermesis | ubuntu is hard to use :S |
| 21:38.50 | roxville | hi reliver, how are you tonight? :) |
| 21:38.56 | reliver | is there a good list of prorities on the new trac page, roxville ? |
| 21:38.56 | Thanatermesis | slow for understand any part |
| 21:39.15 | reliver | yes, ubuntu is hard to use too. |
| 21:39.34 | reliver | but easier then any other distro except mandriva. |
| 21:39.38 | roxville | i don't think so reliver, i haven't been informed of any priorities |
| 21:39.56 | roxville | ubuntu is easy, Thanatermesis :) |
| 21:39.59 | reliver | roxville, do you think such a list would help ? |
| 21:40.29 | roxville | it most certainly would! are you well informed in that area? |
| 21:40.40 | Thanatermesis | its for "null users" to not understand any and read and read and read searching how.... |
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| 21:42.27 | reliver | roxville, i thought trac would be about that ... |
| 21:42.45 | reliver | yesterday i saw you were logged in on trac and liked it ? |
| 21:44.22 | roxville | yes, thana asked me to try it out, and see if the wiki was working ok |
| 21:44.51 | reliver | ah, and you liked the wiki there, right ? |
| 21:45.19 | reliver | is someone going to use the wiki there, and is someone going to be responsible for it ? |
| 21:45.23 | roxville | yes, the layout was nice, and it was easy enough to add stuff |
| 21:46.25 | roxville | i think it is mostly for thana, but... i don't know, he just asked me to try it out, that's all. and that's all i know right now |
| 21:46.48 | reliver | ok, please let me know if you hear otherwise :-) |
| 21:47.06 | reliver | we need the bush drums when all other communication fails :-) |
| 21:48.30 | roxville | of course reliver! :) i guess i need to add that icon-job to the list... but it's all sandbox now, as far as i know |
| 21:49.20 | reliver | to the list ? |
| 21:49.27 | reliver | what list, roxville ? |
| 21:50.55 | roxville | you talked about this the other night... it's so thana can keep track of the jobs for the next release |
| 21:52.06 | reliver | great, is it public ? |
| 21:52.37 | reliver | or you mean i just talked about it, and it does still not exist yet ? |
| 21:53.00 | reliver | do i understand you right ? |
| 21:55.19 | roxville | it's there... http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki , have a look, it's VERY rough so far |
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| 21:59.13 | roxville | damn, there are so few iconsets that are really nice, and yet has a lot of different icons |
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| 22:02.26 | roxville | hello? does anybody know how hard it is to port OSX icons? |
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| 22:03.34 | reliver | emanu, hola :-) |
| 22:03.48 | reliver | hola eManu :-) |
| 22:03.56 | eManu | hola reliver |
| 22:04.02 | reliver | bien, finalmente :-) |
| 22:04.10 | reliver | muchas gracias, eManu :-) |
| 22:04.19 | eManu | si, gracias :) |
| 22:04.28 | reliver | posible que nunca recebiste mis emails ? |
| 22:04.43 | reliver | sobre como entrar en http//club.elivecd.org ? |
| 22:05.04 | reliver | roxville, google ? |
| 22:05.26 | eManu | si, pero me he hecho un lio, y ahora mismo tengo algunos problemas con el e17 |
| 22:05.38 | reliver | oh. |
| 22:05.44 | eManu | perdoname :) |
| 22:05.47 | reliver | estoy feliz que los recebistes :-) |
| 22:06.03 | reliver | dime, estas en e17 ? |
| 22:06.18 | reliver | sabes que esto es mas dificil, menos estable que e16 ? |
| 22:06.25 | eManu | si, me gusta mucho, aunque es algo inestable |
| 22:07.10 | eManu | soy algo masoquista !! ;-) |
| 22:07.47 | reliver | entiendo, es un jugete para ti :-) |
| 22:07.53 | reliver | optimo :-) |
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| 22:11.32 | Enlighted | eManu, actualiza el E17 |
| 22:11.36 | Enlighted | tanto como puedas |
| 22:11.36 | Enlighted | :) |
| 22:12.16 | eManu | gracias Enlighted |
| 22:13.36 | eManu | estoy teniendo algunos problemas, cuando cambio de tema en e17 se me abren todas las aplicaciones que estan en el iBar |
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| 22:29.13 | roxville | Thanatermesis, it is possible to use kde icons... isn't it? |
| 22:29.53 | Thanatermesis | is posible yes... you only need the images and use it :) |
| 22:29.59 | reliver | emanu, estas conversando en el canal #e tambien ? |
| 22:30.00 | Thanatermesis | dpkg -L package-of-kde-icons |
| 22:30.07 | roxville | http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=24645&file1=24645-1.png&file2=24645-2.png&file3=24645-3.png&name=black+%2B+white+icons&PHPSESSID=66ba047307fbb2d04a14e838e26e607a |
| 22:30.16 | roxville | long link... nice icons! |
| 22:30.27 | Thanatermesis | eManu por lo visto eso es normal, pero es porque cuando haces un restart de E, todos los programas se ponen en el primer escritorio exactamente |
| 22:30.41 | eManu | No reliver |
| 22:31.17 | reliver | tenta ver ali tambien, se quieres :-) son especialistas de enlightenment, son los autores. |
| 22:32.19 | eManu | no es un fallo grave, estoy familiarizandome con el sistema y de momento estoy encantado |
| 22:34.03 | reliver | :-) |
| 22:34.08 | eManu | se que es una version inestable y asumo que tiene defectillos, gracias por vuestra ayuda !! :-) |
| 22:34.21 | reliver | te gusta el wallpaper de elive ? |
| 22:35.16 | reliver | desgraciadamente con e quasi no sei ayudar ... |
| 22:36.08 | eManu | muuu chulo !! |
| 22:37.25 | eManu | reliver, en el correo que te envie os ofreci donar algo de hardware que me sobra, os sigue interesando ? |
| 22:39.14 | reliver | eManu, yo soy philippe, que esta organisando el Club, |
| 22:39.48 | reliver | thanatermesis es el que hace Elive, recebiste un email de el sobre esta hardware ? |
| 22:40.02 | reliver | yo soy en suiza, el en belgica. |
| 22:40.21 | reliver | belgium, no se como decirlo en espanol ;-) |
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| 22:41.32 | reliver | does someone know a good pdf editor, or viewer with find functionality ? |
| 22:41.59 | Thanatermesis | reliver the best is "xpdf" |
| 22:42.07 | Thanatermesis | eManu si, nos sigue interesando :) |
| 22:42.12 | eManu | Lo se reliver, perdoname ! |
| 22:43.22 | eManu | estupendo, sobre la semana que viene preparare el paquete y te lo enviare a la direccion que me enviastes. |
| 22:43.22 | reliver | de nada, que lindo que quieres enviar hardware :-) |
| 22:43.49 | reliver | quanto questa enviar desde las canares, emanu ? |
| 22:43.55 | reliver | cuesta |
| 22:44.56 | eManu | poco, pensaba que era mas, sobre unos 20€ / 1.5kg |
| 22:45.07 | reliver | xpdf esta preinstallado, thanatermesis ? y gpdf tambien ? |
| 22:45.21 | reliver | oh, bastante :-) |
| 22:45.38 | Thanatermesis | muchas gracias eManu :) |
| 22:45.52 | Thanatermesis | reliver , gpdf esta por default en elive, pero será substituido por xpdf |
| 22:46.09 | reliver | bien, gracias thanatermesis. |
| 22:46.10 | Thanatermesis | xpdf es mas feo... pero el gpdf me a decepcionado... es muy poco practico |
| 22:46.20 | reliver | necesito un find. |
| 22:46.27 | Thanatermesis | xpdf :) |
| 22:46.54 | eManu | solo me queda por probar algunas cosillas, no hay de que, amigos ;-) |
| 22:48.14 | eManu | bueno, me despido que mañana tengo que madrugar un poco !! |
| 22:48.42 | Thanatermesis | gracias eManu , y buenas noches :) |
| 22:49.38 | eManu | adios y buenas noches amigos :) |
| 22:51.33 | reliver | en xpdf no me funciona la navigacion para abrir un documento ... |
| 22:52.10 | Thanatermesis | navigacion ? o_O |
| 22:53.54 | reliver | no es importante, porque puedo abrir desde xffm. |
| 22:56.21 | Enlighted | Thanatermesis, y si dejas los dos? XD |
| 22:56.26 | Enlighted | y que la gente elija |
| 22:58.14 | Thanatermesis | reliver asociaciones.. :) xffm abre "otro programa" by default... hay que configurar eso |
| 22:58.40 | Enlighted | weno, piro |
| 22:58.42 | Enlighted | byezzzz |
| 22:58.45 | reliver | si, se quieres incluir xffm, claro, seria importante hacerlo. |
| 22:59.15 | Thanatermesis | Enlighted eso es malo por 2 cosas, crea espacio inutil, y te crea una lista muy grande de programas que al final sirven para la misma cosa... mira knoppix, tiene muchissimos programas, empiezas a mirarlos... 1, 2 , 3... 4... al final te cansas y nomiras el 5, y quizas el 6 sea muy bueno... pero te cansas |
| 22:59.20 | Thanatermesis | bah |
| 23:00.01 | Thanatermesis | si reliver , es importante, evidence lo hace, tiene asociaciones... alguien podria hacer las asociaciones de xffm, si se va a cambiar por el xfe... son necesarias :) |
| 23:00.35 | reliver | so que lo xffm parece esta muerto tambien ahora ? |
| 23:06.27 | roxville | Thanatermesis, reliver and others, what do you think about these icons? |
| 23:06.30 | roxville | http://www.deviantart.com/view/10386634/ |
| 23:07.28 | Thanatermesis | reliver ni idea, no uso xffm... quizas sea mejor preguntar en #debian ;) |
| 23:07.39 | Thanatermesis | roxville VERY nice ! |
| 23:08.11 | shadoi | reliver: server will be up tomorrow, I'll start moving everything over this weekend. |
| 23:08.17 | roxville | yes! there are 3 sets.. the others are a little smaller, but... i think i have a winner |
| 23:08.22 | shadoi | IP will be 67.138.240.42 |
| 23:08.29 | reliver | shadoi, great. |
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| 23:08.58 | reliver | shadoi i agree with you now that i see what is happening with the trac wiki. |
| 23:09.05 | shadoi | reliver: :) |
| 23:09.14 | shadoi | hindsight is 20/20. |
| 23:09.21 | reliver | yes, but i do not know what to do ... |
| 23:09.37 | reliver | not hindsight. |
| 23:09.51 | reliver | new development ... |
| 23:10.02 | _H_ | alguien quiere probar el paquete debian de bulmages? |
| 23:10.23 | _H_ | estoy pidiendolo antes de pedir betatesters a gran escala |
| 23:10.34 | reliver | _H_, ya tienes "fans" de bulmages ? |
| 23:10.47 | _H_ | la lista de correo tiene mas de 100 personas |
| 23:10.55 | reliver | oh ... |
| 23:10.58 | _H_ | pero no suelen ser activos |
| 23:11.18 | reliver | y trabajas en aislamiento ? |
| 23:11.23 | reliver | o hay algunos que te ayudan mas ? |
| 23:11.32 | _H_ | como todos los proyectos :) |
| 23:11.53 | reliver | todos los proyectos trabajan en aislamiento ?? |
| 23:12.11 | shadoi | reliver: reliver yeah, it's not too late to combine them all. |
| 23:12.33 | reliver | right, but it is not going to solve the problem. |
| 23:12.50 | reliver | no technology can replace knowing what you want ... |
| 23:13.51 | reliver | it looks like the main aspiration of Elive is not clear. |
| 23:15.54 | shadoi | reliver: hehe... for sure. |
| 23:17.02 | reliver | if you look at the roadmap in trac now, you get a feeling for how fast the club wiki would become unusable again if we just integrate it into the trac wiki. |
| 23:17.38 | reliver | http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/roadmap |
| 23:18.18 | shadoi | I see nothing? |
| 23:18.40 | reliver | i get: |
| 23:18.47 | reliver | Roadmap |
| 23:18.47 | reliver | Show already completed milestones |
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| 23:19.03 | shadoi | yeah.. I see that too, seems that it's just not being used. |
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| 23:19.26 | reliver | well, those 2 main entries have been entered. |
| 23:19.40 | reliver | and also the tickets for them (4+2) |
| 23:20.07 | reliver | it's just a new mess ... |
| 23:20.37 | shadoi | Developers are notoriously bad project managers. :) |
| 23:21.14 | reliver | the question is do they want a good manager ... |
| 23:21.52 | reliver | and more then that, do they know what they want :-) |
| 23:22.05 | roxville | lol, are we talking about "in general" here, or do we have someone in particualr in mind? :) |
| 23:22.29 | reliver | in general, roxville, in the case of Elive now. |
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| 23:22.49 | roxville | hey eshep! |
| 23:22.50 | reliver | no, roxville, great you are here :-) |
| 23:22.54 | reliver | hello eshep :-) |
| 23:23.00 | eshep | whats up guys |
| 23:23.16 | reliver | http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/roadmap |
| 23:23.23 | roxville | too much... like always :) how was spear fishing? |
| 23:23.45 | roxville | cold and roddy? |
| 23:24.15 | roxville | oops, guess he didn't wanna talk about spear fishing... |
| 23:24.40 | reliver | no, i understand eshep now :-) |
| 23:24.55 | reliver | he never runs away from issues. |
| 23:25.47 | reliver | he did not leave without comment for what we discuss. |
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| 23:25.48 | reliver | he's just not like that :-) |
| 23:25.48 | roxville | ok, as far as i know, trac was set up yesterday. thana asked some pl to put in some stuff to make sure everything worked |
| 23:25.48 | eshep | damn segfault |
| 23:26.09 | reliver | linux ... |
| 23:26.09 | roxville | and i thought you didn't wanna talk about spear fishing! |
| 23:26.09 | reliver | ;-) |
| 23:27.18 | roxville | he doesn't really know how to use it yet, he understands that he would need something like this to map this project |
| 23:27.26 | eshep | no, we couldnt see crap. the typhoon has the water all stirred up |
| 23:27.46 | Thanatermesis | oh reliver .... another new ticket now... http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/ticket/14 |
| 23:27.51 | Thanatermesis | a lot of work... :/ |
| 23:27.57 | roxville | well, you don't wanna go spear fishing blind, now do you? |
| 23:28.02 | Thanatermesis | only 1 week ? mmmh, very dificult.. |
| 23:28.20 | reliver | ah, you went into a typhoon for spear fishing ? :-) |
| 23:28.26 | reliver | ese eshep :-) |
| 23:28.49 | reliver | nothing is too much, right >;?) |
| 23:29.17 | eshep | the typhoons not even close |
| 23:30.50 | reliver | thanatermesis, if you really want to mix up the OS market, you need a completely different approach do development now, starting with defining the exact goals and a good organisation of the project, with clearly distributed competences. |
| 23:31.03 | reliver | everything else is just pipe-dreaming. |
| 23:32.21 | Thanatermesis | mmmmh, the "about" of the http://elivecd.org has changed the last 2 weeks... you have read this new better described about? explain better the description and goals of the project.... |
| 23:32.24 | reliver | so the typhoon doing some telepathic water movement, eh :-) |
| 23:35.10 | goldstein | hello |
| 23:35.19 | reliver | hello goldstein. |
| 23:35.28 | reliver | thanatermesis, this is a good sales text. |
| 23:35.42 | reliver | but it does not clarify the goals of Elive. |
| 23:35.44 | reliver | Elive aims to be something amazing, without being hard to use, that's what makes the biggest difference between others livecds |
| 23:36.12 | reliver | that is just marketing. |
| 23:37.02 | reliver | not useful as clarification. |
| 23:37.38 | reliver | "Elive aims to be something amazing, without being hard to use, that's what makes the biggest difference between others livecds" |
| 23:42.54 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, the principal goal of Elive is make a complete SO in linux without needs any special thing in computers, not need "learn unix", a complete desktop for manage all of you need, and configure it from the desktop, all without gnome/kde interfaces or WM, very faster than another distros, specially for the graphical system, of course, light and nice, and of course... stable :) another important goal of Elive is use a linux system but usin |
| 23:42.54 | Thanatermesis | g special thinks "non typical" for made better the final result of this... for example a script in the boot for look if the system is good configured for a better work |
| 23:42.55 | Thanatermesis | etc |
| 23:43.13 | Thanatermesis | do you like this "unprovised" description of goal reliver ? |
| 23:43.17 | reliver | oh ... fast typer suddenly :-) |
| 23:43.54 | reliver | epanol SO, enlglish OS. |
| 23:44.00 | goldstein | stable although on the edge:) |
| 23:45.42 | shadoi | oh my, they actually change the order of acronyms too!?! |
| 23:45.48 | shadoi | that is very confusing. |
| 23:46.13 | goldstein | they dont. sistema operativo = operative system |
| 23:46.19 | shadoi | A native english speaker should probably go through the sites and edit them. |
| 23:46.26 | shadoi | goldstein: yeah I know... |
| 23:46.30 | goldstein | lol |
| 23:46.31 | roxville | lol, in spain you can say good night and mean good evening |
| 23:47.00 | roxville | i learned that ...tonight |
| 23:47.12 | reliver | " a complete desktop for manage all of you need, and configure it from the desktop" |
| 23:47.28 | reliver | that is nice and what i understood to be your main goal. |
| 23:47.53 | reliver | from that we could derive the actual priorities for development, |
| 23:48.08 | reliver | but we would need to do this in an organised way, together. |
| 23:48.55 | goldstein | just say that theres pics of chicks inside, everyone will download it. |
| 23:49.26 | reliver | ok, goldstein, you are mr.chicks on the Elive board, ok ? :-) |
| 23:49.45 | goldstein | nice to meet you too. |
| 23:49.59 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es just say that theres pics of chicks inside, everyone will download it. |
| 23:50.01 | mr_chicks | lol, better nick? |
| 23:50.06 | reliver | :-) |
| 23:50.24 | reliver | try it out in the crowd :-) |
| 23:50.48 | mr_chicks | thatatermesis, by chicks, which google managed to translate to polluelos i meant girls |
| 23:50.57 | shadoi | "Elive aims to replace Microsoft Windows with something beautiful." There, that's it. :) |
| 23:50.59 | reliver | polluelos, you like polluelas, mr_chicks ;?) |
| 23:51.10 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 23:51.18 | mr_chicks | me gusta el pollo si |
| 23:51.43 | mr_chicks | pero, me gustan más las chicas |
| 23:51.46 | reliver | shadoi is the warrior :-) |
| 23:52.12 | Thanatermesis | not exactly shadoi .... only a diference, more easy to use :) (and remember the speed and the -->stability<-- ;)) |
| 23:52.53 | shadoi | Thanatermesis: It's not very wise to claim stability when e17 isn't even ALPHA yet. :) |
| 23:53.09 | Thanatermesis | yep, but Elive uses e16 and e17 also... |
| 23:53.34 | mr_chicks | yes..did you know..a friend of mine (windows user) was having problems with pc and wanted to copy 35gb to an external usb drive |
| 23:54.04 | Thanatermesis | in the login of the liveCD speaks "e17, new, beautiful, in developement etc..., e16, fast, stable, nice, for the work of day to day..." :) |
| 23:54.20 | mr_chicks | on windows the ETA was crazy, almost a day. i booted elive and it was done in a hour! |
| 23:54.34 | mr_chicks | with dma on |
| 23:54.51 | shadoi | Thanatermesis: yeah.. e16... blech. :) |
| 23:55.06 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es blech |
| 23:55.17 | KoshNaranek | You are not ready for e16. |
| 23:55.25 | reliver | blech es no gustar |
| 23:55.35 | shadoi | blech = yuck |
| 23:55.40 | mr_chicks | e16 rules! |
| 23:55.54 | shadoi | not compared to e17. :) |
| 23:55.58 | mr_chicks | in fact, i prefer it to e17 |
| 23:56.14 | roxville | bbs |
| 23:56.21 | shadoi | sad... sad that you have such poor taste. hehe |
| 23:56.25 | Thanatermesis | hehe, yes mr_chicks ... its the reality of the OS of monopolice the world... the bad and frozen reality.. |
| 23:56.27 | reliver | shadoi, e17 is out, long live e18. |
| 23:56.36 | Thanatermesis | shadoi i like e16... :) |
| 23:56.37 | shadoi | reliver: bingo! |
| 23:56.41 | mr_chicks | e17 always seems to fancy.. |
| 23:56.45 | shadoi | reliver: the rewrite is under way! |
| 23:56.46 | reliver | ;-) |
| 23:56.55 | Thanatermesis | yes.. of course not compared to e17... :) |
| 23:57.04 | reliver | yes, e is like freenet. |
| 23:57.11 | reliver | an eternal project. |
| 23:57.45 | Thanatermesis | e17 is out ? o_O |
| 23:57.45 | shadoi | heading home, bbl. |
| 23:57.51 | mr_chicks | thanatermesis: even i was amazed by the speed it red an ntfs partition and wrote 35gb on a fat32 |
| 23:58.10 | Thanatermesis | mr_chicks windows != linux ;) |
| 23:58.15 | reliver | bye shadoi (shadoi giving up ;) |
| 23:58.26 | Thanatermesis | mr_chicks windows == random bugs programed for you don't happy and buy the next version |
| 23:58.44 | shadoi | reliver: not giving up! just hungry! :) |
| 23:58.56 | Thanatermesis | mmmmh... hungry... |
| 23:58.59 | reliver | ok :-) |
| 23:59.09 | mr_chicks | thanatermesis: the pain was to rewrite the data after reinstall windows.. as linux cant write on ntfs |
| 23:59.28 | mr_chicks | all of you guys prefer e17? |
| 23:59.39 | Thanatermesis | mr_chicks why the people select NTFS in the instalation ? :) |
| 23:59.55 | mr_chicks | dunnoo_O |
| 23:59.57 | Thanatermesis | ops.. e16 |
